CONVERSATION(Sanitized), 4 MAY 1966, RE U-2R EXPORT PROPOSAL

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• Publication Date: May 6, 1966
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MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
May 19
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SUBJECT: Conversation with P&W Division of 25X1
United Aircraft Corporation, May 1966, re U-ZR Export
Proposal
1. On 4 Ma I travelled with Mr. Parangosky to Hartford, Connecticut,
to visit with the head of the Special Projects Section,
which for years has been supporting U-2 and A-12 engine requirements in
if he would provide us with an informal cost estimate for engine procure-
ment, spare parts support, and overseas overhaul, plus tech rep personnel
in order to get the job done.
the Agency. I outlined the steps taken to date, and asked
2. I toldi that our basic concept revolved around a three
aircraft capability and we speedily agreed that this meant a minimum of
five engines per detachment with the possibility of a sixth depending upon
the amount of flying done and the distance from the country operating the
aircraft and the overseas overhaul facility. We also agreed on a flying
hour requirement of approximately 125 hours per month including FCFs,
instrumentation flights, etc. We took as our base a maximum of six pilots
for whom 12. 5 hours per month flying time would be required for either
training or operations. P&W agreed to include the POL requirement in
their cost estimate with the understanding that unless overseas refineries
could be talked into the idea of producing small quantities of LF1A fuel,
that the POL would have to be exported from the U. S. at an average rate
of about 200 barrels per detachment per month. A rough cost estimate of
. 75~ per gallon was agreed on'for planning purposes. This figure, of
course, is subject to adjustment depending upon the eventual SFC of the IJ-2R,
a factor which cannot readily be determined until further downstream.
3. felt that in the spare parts support picture we should
plan to have these obtained by Lockheed domestically and shipped by them
to the consumer. This suggestion was made in order to avoid two things:
(1) involving United Aircraft Corporation International, which is a separate
division of UAC with no experience in dealing with the U-2, and (2) the much
higher prices quoted by UAI for overseas spare parts procurement. I
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told him that our present thinking leaned in the direction of packaging the
U-2R export scheme for marketing under the Lockheed aircraft service
label in view of the worldwide capability extant in that organization. He
seemed quite happy with this suggestion.
4. As far as engine overhaul is concerned, P&W has the following
commercial capability at the present time:
France
Japan
Holland
Belgium
Scandinavia
South Africa
South America
SNECMA
JAL Airlines
KLM Airlines
SABENA Airlines
SAS
S. A. Airways, Johannesburg
SELMA, Brazil
Another basic assumption was that in scheduling overhauls we would use the
figure of 500 engine hours for HSIs and 1000 hours for TBO. These are
consistent with present J-75 rates and should not change for the B engine
with which the U-2R would be equipped. I mentioned that this
compared with the current figure of 6000 to 7400 hours TBO on the com-
mercial version of the J-75 - the JT4D. felt that he would 25X1
need a week to develop these figures and, accordingly, said he would try to
have them ready by Wednesday, 11 May, for inclusion in the package. It
should also be noted that he felt that a single tech rep would be all that was
required for a given detachment. He added that he would try to cost in
East Hartford overhauling of the same engine, simply to give us a point of
comparison between domestic and foreign overhaul prices. One encouraging
factor was that it was his view that commercial overhaul could be accomplished
in the facilities noted above between four and six weeks, rather than the much25X1
longer time which we use under the military overhaul system in
East Hartford.
JAMES 'A. CUNNI , JR.
Deputy Director of Special Activities
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