FOUR DISPATCHES FROM MR. HARRIMAN'S VISIT TO THE SOVIET UNION

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:rea 0717-1qTRAMITIm 25)0 Country(s): t W. Germany USSR S-E-C-R-E-T D(.v Date :Class.: s_ 20,21 & 23 --julf Identification Identification of Document: Four Dispatches: concerning Harriman visit with Khrushchev. Abstract Notation References-: These dispatches transmit detailed report obtained from Mr. Charles W. Thayer on Mr. Harriman's visit to the Soviet Union and meeting with Khrushchev on 23 June 1959. Document Location: HS/CSG-300 Aooroved For Fieiease 2006/10gLeig4-1.ariloi53-00036R000200050001-2 25X1 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 25X1 ,?`117- ? Approved For Release 20 Nam, Ra-RDP83-00036R000200b50001*-2, ACCOUNT OF INTERVIEW WITH MR. THAYER ON 9 JULY AT LAUBAU, BAVARIA, WEST GERMANY 1. Our discussion opened with a question concerning the officials who were present during Mr. Harrimants talks with Krushchev. At the first session held from 1300 to 1530 hours on 23 June in Krushohev's office in the Kremlin, the following persons were present: Krushchev, Mr. Harriman, Mr. Thayer, Mr. Zhukov of the Cultural Committee and Mr. Troyanovski as interpreter. At the very beginning of the interview a TASS photographer and one for TIME-LIFE Inc. (thought to be Howard Sochurek) came in to take pictures, but left immediately thereafter. At the second session held at Krushchevls dacha Mr. Mikoyan, Mr. Kozlov and Mr. Gromyko were present in addition to the foregoing persons. During the entire Harriman visit with Krushchev, no explanations were given for the presence of any particular person or persons. At the dacha the seating arrangement at the rectangular dinner table was as follows: on one side Kozlov, Krushchev, Harriman, Troyanovski; on the opposite side, Gromyko (opposite Kozlov), Mikoyan, Thayer and Zhukov. 2. When asked if he or Mr. Harriman had heard anything about or seen anything of members of Krushchev's family, Mr. Thayer said they had heard nothing and seen nothing, except for a very brief mention of one of Krushchev's grandsons. While walking in a garden near the dacha Krushchev had found a hedgehog and had instructed one of his bodyguards to send it to his (Krushchev) grandson. Later in the day the bodyguard returned and informed Krushchev that the grandson had left with his family for their vacation in the Ukraine, whereupon Krushchev directed that the hedgehog be returned to the dacha. 3. Regarding the general preparation for the interview, Mr. Harriman had been advised on 22 June not to make any plans for the afternoon of the 23rd, because there was a possibility that he might be visiting with Krushchev at his dacha. It was emphasized that no firm plans had been made, but Mr. Thayer stated that it was apparent that everything had been well planned in advance. About halfway through the Kremlin interview, Krushchev had stopped and proposed talking about an agenda for the interview which he suggested be continued at his dacha. Upon arrival at the dacha Messrs. Mikoyan, Kozlov and Gromyko had already been there for over half an hour. 4. Mr. Thayer was asked how Krushchev had conducted himself, especially in view of the plenary session of the Central Committee scheduled for the following day, the 24th, Apparently Krushchev was completely relaxed through- out the interview, showed no signs of wanting to terminate it and in fact, kept insisting that there was plenty of time, even if they wanted to talk all night. His desk in the Kremlin was absolutely clear except for a few pads of paper 'and an ATS (automatic telephone system) telephone book. Krushchev himself had mentioned that a plenary session of the Central Committee would meet the next day to take up a few questions and to review progress on the SECRET Approved For Release 2006/10/18 : CIA-RDP83-00036R000200o5onn1-2 25X1 Approved For Release 2006/ 2 - DP83-00036R000200050001-2- Seven Year Plan. Krushchev said he himself was going to make a speech and give the "engineers hell" just to keep them moving along. However, at no time did he show any signs of concern for the meeting and everything appeared to be well under control, certainly as of 1300 hours on the 23rd when the Harriman interview began. 5. When asked what sort of treatment Krushchev accorded the other Soviet officials present during the interview and to what extent they parti- cipated in the talks, Mr. Thayer made the following comments. a. Krushchev did most of the talking, although Mikoyan frequently joined in. Krushchev exchanged much banter with Mikoyan and often referred to "Anastas and myself"; he also did not hesitate to make rough remarks to Mikoyan, although the reverse was never true, despite Mikoyan's frequent, but respectful verbal exchanges with Krushchev. b. On one occasion Mr. Harriman suggested that Mikoyan come to the United States where he would become a great industrialist. Krushchev said this would be impossible because Mikoyan did not have enough money to become an industrialist. Harriman said Mikoyan didn't need any money, because he could immediately get a good job with an excellent salary. Than Krushchev commented that Mikoyan had actually been born a century too late, for he would have made a great "kupets". c. Kozlov was silent most of the time except when Krushchev turned to him and asked for confirmation of some remark he (Krushchev) had just made. Most of Koziov's utteranc6s were confined to seconding or repeating something Krushchev had said. For example, when Krushchev said "If you start a war, we may die but the rockets will fly automati- cally", Mikoyan said "Yes, the rockets will fly automatically" and Kozlov brought up the rear, saying "Yes, automatically, automatically". During an exchange of remarks about Mr. Harrimads suggestion that Mikoyan be sent to America rather than Siberia if he became too obstreperous, Mikoyan noted that it was too late to send him to Siberia since it was no longer the practice. Krushchev allowed that an exception could be made, indicating that Siberia was not out of the question even for Mikoyan. Then Krushchev turned to Kozlov and asked "we could make the exception, couldn't we". Whereupon Kozlov in quite a lively tone said "Oh, yes, we can make exceptions". d. Kozlov interestingly enough was the only other person at the dinner table besides Mr. Thayer who smoked. Each time Mr. Thayer took out a cigarette, having earlier asked Krushchev's permission to smoke, Mikoyan who was sitting next to Mr. Thayer would nudge him and indicate that he should offer a cigarette to Kozlov who also liked to smoke. On least three occasions Kozlov accepted the proffered cigarette and then retired to the side of the room to smoke it, apparently in deference to Krushchev. After finishing his smoke, Kozlov then returned to the dinner table. SECRET Approved For Release 2006/10/1j : CIA-RDPE 3-00036R000200050001-2 25X1 25X1 Approved For Release 2 25X1 IMETIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 A valve 3 e. Gromyko said scarcely a word the entire evening and sat big and grumpily throughout the discussions. Nobody paid any attention to him, and only on a few occasions did he say something, usually inconsequential. 6. During the exchanges on international issues Mikoyan was the only person besides Krushchev who made any substantial comment. Mr. Thayer's impression was that Mikoyan understands more than Krushchev on international issues, is much less emotional in this area and has a more shrewd approach. It was Thayer's very personal feeling that Mikoyan might be a little like Stalin in his approach to international problems. Mr. Thayer had no opinion to offer on how much authority Mikoyan might have in the foreign affairs area. Neither Kozlov or Gromyko made sufficient remarks to enable any judgment either on their competence or authority in this field. 7. When Mr. Harriman expressed surprise at the Institute of World Economy and International Relations' estimate of future American industrial growth at 2% per annum, both Krushchev and Mikoyan came to the defense of this figure. Mikoyan spoke first and strongly defended the percentage, saying it was valid because the United States had been moving at the 2% rate for the past five years and therefore, was stagnating., Krushchev spoke in a similiar vein. Mikoyan appeared to be well-informed'on this issue, although it is Mr. Thayer's impression that both of them were holding on to this low figure, much the way a child holds on to a piece of candy. It is much more pleasant to think that the industrial growth figure is 2% and not 4 or 5%, and to tell the Russian people something which is happy news in their strenuous efforts to overtake the West. Unquestionably Mikoyan has a much better background on this issue than Krushchev. 8. Mr. Thayer was asked to tell how and who brought up the subject of Kozlov as the successor to Krushchev, what the reactions of the others were and who took part in the discussion. -(NOTE: There is no question that the New York Times 2 July statement that Krushchev had indicated Kozlov as heir- apparent is solidly supported by Mr. Thayer's notes on the interview.) a. Mr. Thayer did not.remember exactly how the subject of Kozlov was brought up, but some conversation on Stalin had proceeded the following remarks made by Krushchev himself. He said, "Let us give you ourtzpinion of Kozlov. I have great difficulties with Mikoyan, but we are agreed on one thing. Kozlov is to follow us". He was born in 1908 and has worked In steel mills. "Mikoyan and I think he is the man to follow us" "I recommend Kozlov. He is a modest man." Mr. Harriman asked if Krushchev were ever modest and the latter stated, "Perhaps, but I am objective". Then Krushchev continued, saying that anyone who claimed never to be subjective was stupid. For himself he claimed to objective, but not always. SECRET Approved For Release 2006/1 J/18: CIA-RE P83-00036R000200050001-2 25X1 Approved For Release 2OO6Ij cRE1DP83-00036R000200050001-2 vw4.4 b. The discussion then turned to Kirichenko after Mr. Harriman had asked Krushchev's opinion of him. Krushehev mentioned that "If you bet on Kirichenko, you'll lose:. Mr. Harriman asked what Krushchev had against Kirichenko, and was told "Don't ask provocative questions. Why do you want to know?" Mr. Harriman mentioned that Zhukov (of the Cultural Committee) had indicated that Kirichenko was an important man. Krushchev said not to try to make use of his followers (Mr. Thayer inferred that Krushchev was implying that "You should not try to subvert , them', because the Communists will "outlive you anyway." Mr. Harriman stated he still wished to talk with Kirichenko, but was told that Kirichenko was busy with the arrangements for the Central Committee plenary session the next day. Discussion turned to Krushchev's comments on Berle, Malenkov, Molotov and finally the last days of Stalin. Then speaking of death and succession, Krushchev said "Kozlov may go, may go first, but if nature permits him, he'll be worthy". Interjecting Mr. Harriman remarked that Krushchev had given Kirichenko the Party to handle. Immediately Krushchev flared up and said very sharply, "I'm a very jealous man. I'll run the Party while I live. If you're trying to bury me, you are wish-thinking. I'll live longer than all of you." Mr. Harriman rejoined that he hoped Krushchev would live a long and rich life, whereupon Krushchev calmed down. Continuing, Mr. Harriman said ?we have a high regard" for Mr. Krushchev, but by this he did not mean to slight Mr. Kozlov. Mikoyan piped up and said "Kozlov can wait", with Krushchev following immediately with the comment "Kozlov is our reserve. We are keeping him in the background". c. Throughout the above remarks Kozlov sat quietly like a "silly cat", grinning with satisfaction. From time to time he nodded at Mr. Thayer to let him know that he, Kozlov, was there. d. Mr. Thayer related that during a luncheon at the American Embassy Krushchev had warned against trying to keep Kozlov in the United States. Mr. Harriman had answered that such efforts had been unsuccessful with Mikoyan. Then Mikoyan broke in and said "the person you want in the U.S. is Krushchev". Krushchev snapped back rather sharply, "Yes, he wants my job", which brought a general, nervous laugh all around. 9. On the subject of Kozlov Mr. Thayer stated that Mr. Harriman and he had spent an hour with him on 3 June in Moscow. Kozlov began work as a textile worker, graduated later from a polytechnic institute and had become a metal- lurgist. Later he went on to study economics and worked in Leningrad in all phases of industry. As a metallurgist he had been at one time the chief of a blooming mill. His wife works in an engineering-scientific research institute, presumably in the Moscow area. SECRET Approved For Release 2006/1OP 8: CIA-RD 83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release2006M ITAREIRDP83-00036R000200050001-2 '*41.00 *Faie a. Kozlov had talked about the automobile industry, saying that they were reorganizing the entire automotive industry, but not under this Seven Year Plan. This was in contrast to the remark made by the director of the ZIS Plant who told Mr. Harriman and Mr. Thayer that within two years the Russians would have a cheap car, i.e. costing about 8,000 rubles. Another opinion on this was voiced by Mr. Zhukov of the Cultural Committee who stated it was too early to produce such a car and it would be at least 15 years before they would be available. b. Kozlov also claimed that by 1963 the Soviet workers would be working a five to six-hour day. c. Regarding agriculture Kozlov said they had 40% of their popula- tion in agriculture which was too much. For example, the Soviets were currently allocating 104 billion rubles for development of the chemical and synthetic industry. This would require many new workers, which would be taken from the farms. d. Mr. Thayer's own impression of Kozlov was that he was "soft" compared with the other Soviet leaders. Mr. Thayer stated he could not imagine him as the ruler of the USSR. Kozlov evidenced "considerable subservience" and played the role of a "Greek chorus" during the entire interview with Krushchev. 10. In the course of Mr. Harriman's visit interesting remarks were made on several occasions regarding Charles Bohlen, present United States Ambassador to the Philippines. On one occasion Mr. Zhukov, out of a clear blue sky, told Mr. Harriman that it was a pity that Mr. Bohlen had been sent to the Philippines. In conversations with Mr. Thayer Mikoyan remarked that he hoped Bohlen would soon return to the State Department and work in Soviet affairs. Mr. Thayer had said that Bohlen was still quite busy working on a new treaty between the United States and the Philippines. Mikoyan said he knew about this and if Bohlen's return depended upon his concluding this treaty, it might be a long time before he came back to Washington. Mikoyan concluded by saying that Mr. Bohlen "understands us". During the Harriman interview with Krushchev the latter at one point made several uncomplimentary remarks about Bohlen, saying, for example, he was respected but not honest. During these remarks Mikoyan kept poking Mr. Thayer in the side, telling him to pay no attention to what Krushchev was saying (NOTE: at this time Mikoyan was aware that Mr. Thayer is related to Ambassador Bohlen by marriage.). At Spaso House one evening, Mikoyan and Krushchev were on the verge of leaving the reception. Mikoyan told Krushchev to wait a moment, and leaving him at the door, came over to Mr. Thayer after their farewells had already been exchanged. He asked that his best wishes be given to both Mr. Bohlen and his sister. Mr. Thayer mentioned this as being a rather unusual and extra effort on Mikoyan's part, for which there was no clear reason. SECRET Approved For Release 2006/10/' 8 ? CIA-RD P83-00036R000200050001-2 25X1 ? Approved For Release 200 eRETRDP83-00036R000200050001-2 sire 'tiore 11. The subject of China was next raised. Mr. Thayer had noted nothing and heard nothing from any Soviet officials which would indicate the Communist Chinese view on policy towards the Bloc, neutralist countries or the West; their view on Tibet and the Dalai Lama (Mr. Thayer remarked that unfortunately . Mr. Harriman and he had forgotten to raise this issue during the Krushchev interview); their view on leadership over non-Bloc Communist Parties or summit meetings. The same situation pertains to statements by Soviet officials concerning Communist Chinese efforts to acquire nuclear weapons and guided missiles (except for the remarks in paragraph 11,c), concerning Communist Chinese leaders or the communes and recent developments connected with them. a. Mr. Thayer noted that when Mr. Harriman originally applied for his visa to Communist China, he had talked with Mikoyan about it, expressing the hope that he would be a character reference if the Chinese asked about him. At the dacha dinner Krushchev mentioned that the relations of the USSR with China were in a special category, a statement which Mr. Thayer feels was directly related to the issue of the Chinese refusal of a visa to Mr. Harriman. Although the issue was not directly discussed, the Soviets at the dinner table that evening made allusions to the visa refusal indicating that they were sorry that Mr. Harriman could not go to China. b. At one time or another, both Krushchev and Mr. Harriman brought up the issue of China. When Krushchev mentioned Premier Mendes-France's remark on China's population threat to the USSR, Krushchev only commented that this was hardly true. The USSR, if it desired, could turn its Siberian forests into arable land sufficient to feed all of China. c. Mr. Thayer was asked to amplify, and expand if possible, Krushchev's comments on China and Formosa, and the statement that the USSR would support the Chinese in a move to take the island. Mr. Thayer recalled that Krushchev had been discussing the Japanese question which had led to the question of ownership of Formosa. Krushchev stated "If anyone intervenes in China's rights to Taiwan, we will support them". The United States has the Seventh Fleet, but if there is intervention, the Soviet Government has given the Chinese rockets (raketi) and they can destroy Taiwan in a day, and the fleet, too. Fleets today are made to be destroyed. d. Mr. Thayer said that the issue on which Krushchev was most "vehement", next to the Berlin and West German question, was Formosa. e. During a conversation with Mr. Harriman and Mr. Thayer, Zhukov of the Cultural Committee had remarked that if China Considered it not in its interest to grant Mr. Harriman a visa, the Soviets would support them. Anything which the Chinese consider in their interest, the Soviets will support, concluded Zhukov. SECRET Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RnP83-0003F R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/1 P83-00036R000200050001-2 Swie 7 f. Mr. Harriman on another occasion asked Krushchev, "How do you foresee control of armaments with reference to China?". Krushchev answered that the Chinese have the same view as the Soviets - They want disarmament. Of course, the Chinese must be consulted before any discussion or decision takes place 4 As a matter of fact, continued Krushchev, they are far more interested in this, while they have such enormous problems of industrialization ahead of them. g. Mr. Thayer recalls hearing the communes mentioned on several occasions, but not the exact circumstances of the remarks. He believes Krushchev at one juncture made some comment about the,,communes having been misunderstood in the West. Another person at another time said the communes are not organized for military purposes as the West thinks. Only the military form is being used, because it is the best way to organize. 12. When asked if he recalled any other instances during their stay in the USSR when the subject of China had been discussed, Mr. Thayer contributed the following miscellaneous comments. a. During Mr. Harriman's trip in Central Asia he talked with Prime Minister Kunayev of Kazakhstan on 10 June in Alma-Ata. The Prime Minister remarked that they were trading with China, raw materials out of China and consumer goods into Sinkiang over the railroad into Urumchi. He also said work was being done on both the railroad and road into Urumchi, especially on the railroad from Oktobai (?) into China. Mr. Zhukov also mentioned on one occasion that the Soviets had to build better machines, especially for rail- road construction, so the railroads can move faster. He specified, for example, that work was being done on a new link from Alma-Ata to Urumchi. b. Throughout central Asia it was Mr. Thayer's impression and his observation that English was the most popular foreign language, not Chinese. While visiting the Orientology Institute in Tashkent, neither he nor Mr. Harriman got the impression that Chinese studies were accorded any great or special interest. 0. Both Messrs. Harriman and Thayer had the distinct and strong impression that the idea is overstressed that the central Asian area of the USSR is being used as a training ground for propagandists who are to work abroad spreading the Communist faith, especially in Asia and the Middle East. On the contrary, Moscow seemed to them to be the training center whence persons from abroad are brought for study and schooling in the principles of Marxism and the international Communist movement. Mr. Thayer and Mr. Harriman had the further impression that it is more often the practice to train foreign nationals in the USSR and return them to their native countries, than to train SECRET Approved For Release 2006 1 83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/SE(10 _ DP83-00036R000200050001-2 *teigi 1.w Soviet citizens of Asiatic background for work in the underdeveloped Asian and Middle Eastern nations. Mr. Thayer expressed his feeling that the Soviets fear that Soviet citizens, although of appropriate ethnic or religious back- ground, who are sent out to spread the faith, are more likely to succumb to the environment and philosophy of the foreign country than to make converts for Communism. Hence, the preference for bringing non-Soviets into the USSR for training and dispatch back to their native lands as workers for interna- tional Communism. d. While talking with the President of the Academy of Sciences in Sverdlovsk, Mr. Harriman mentioned his admiration for the virgin lands idea, whereuponthe President asked if he thought it was really a good idea. Mr. Harriman replied affirmatively and asked "Don't you think it good?". The President said "Well, so far, so good. But you know us scientists,- when we are sure of a thing, then we say it's possible". Mr. Thayer stated that many of the scientists in the Central Asian Academies of Sciences voiced their criticism of the virgin lands program with some frankness or expressed a skeptical attitude towards it. 13. Asked if he or Mr. Harriman had heard any statements regarding the offensive potential of the Soviet strategic air forces, Mr. Thayer said no, but noted that they had talked with Malinovsky on 14 May in Moscow. During this talk Mr. Harriman had asked if the Soviets were still building heavy bombers. Malinovsky answered, "Unfortunately, yes". No more was mentioned on this subject other than Malinovsky's remark that most "heavies" were going into civil aviation use. Mr. Thayer said that he had already prepared a ten page memorandum from his notes on this conversation which presumably would be available through ODACID. 14. Berlin and West Germany were next discussed with Mr. Thayer, and although the following remarks are essentially identical with those already contained in his memorandum notes on the Harriman interview, they are included to complete the record of our interview with him. a. Mr. Thayer stated that therS was no question that Krushchev had become most vehement and blunt over the Berlin-German issue. The only other subject which aroused him to any degree was Formosa, about which he spoke in very blunt and flat terms. However, Mr. Thayer did not feel that Mikoyan got as aroused over the Berlin issue as Krushchev, although he seconded all that Krushchev said on the topic. b. When asked if Krushchev had referred in any way to the second phase of the Geneva Foreign Ministers' Conference, Mr. Thayer stated that Krushchev had essentially said that Gromyko would return on 13 July and have the same instructions as before. Gromyko's position has been fully approved by the Soviet Government. Krushchev termed the occu- pation as an anachronism and said it must be liquidated. If the West does not agree to liquidating it, the Soviets will turn over their functions in Berlin to the East Germans. SECRET Approved For Release 2006/10,1 18: CIA-RC) P83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 20066k?RETDP83-00036R000200050001-2 *we *IS c. With regard to a summit conference, Krushchev volunteered the opinion that if the West wants a summit meeting for the purpose of perpetuating the regime in Berlin, it is barking up the wrong tree. d. Concerning the level of western military forces to be permitted in West Berlin, Krushchev only mentioned the figure of 11,000, and rhetorically asked why the West wanted them in Berlin. The Soviets could swallow them in one gulp. However, Krushchev was firm in stating that the West could have no more than 11,000 troops in Berlin, and those only for the time being (NOTE: he mentioned no time limit or other conditions for their withdrawal). e. Concerning the liquidation of western rights in West Berlin, Krushchev simply indicated that these rights would be liquidated by a unilateral agreement with the East Germans, if the West did not go along with an agreement to abolish these rights. He gave no elaboration of when this would be done or under what precise circumstances. f. Krushchev gave no indication of any time limit or conditions relating to the signing of a separate peace treaty with East Germany. He remarked only that the West should tell the Soviets what guarantees it wanted to preserve the existing social structure of West Berlin, and they would grant them, provided that the Western occupation were ended. The Soviet Government is determined to end the state of war with Germany, even if the West does not agree to it. If the West wants to prolong its rights, the West is starting war. The position of the West is out-of- date. Mr. Harriman suggested it would be dangerous if the Soviet Union hindered the rights of the West in Berlin. Krushchev replied "We'll liquidate them" and continued saying, "I'm hard with you and I'll be , harder with Eisenhower. You can assist, you're a clever man". Mr. Harriman rejoined that the West does not want war over Berlin, to which Krushchev retorted "you do, if you want to prolong your rights. We can't let Berlin go any longer. Something must be done". g. When asked if Krushchev had commented on the Western proposals of 16 June, Mr. Thayer stated that Krushchev had only referred to Western proposals by saying that all proposals from the West thus far have been unsatisfactory because they were designed to perpetuate the situation as It is now, that is, the preservation of western rights in Berlin. h. During Krushchev's comments about Gromyko's role at Geneva and the fact that he was charged only with carrying out the policies of the Soviet Government, which if he did not do, would lead to his replacement, Mikoyan joined in and said, "Yes, he does as we tell him". Throughout Gromyko sat quietly like a "toad" and showed no emotion. SECRET Annroved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006 DP83-00036R00.0200050001-2, %ftplo 25X1 -10- 1. Krushchev gave no hints that he might agree to explicit guarantees that Western rights would not be challenged in Berlin at the expiration of the proposed 18-month time limit on the negotia- tions of the proposed All-German committee. Neither did he hint that the USSR is prepared tb withdraw its ultimatum-type demands on the Berlin issue. 15. At the end of our talk with Mr. Thayer we briefly discussed Krushchev himself about whom Mr. Thayer made the following comments. He did not appear healthy and perspired profusely, especially when excited. However, he was a "mass of vitality". Concerning his diet, Krushchev helped himself to a little of everything on the menu for the evening meal, but took no butter, sugar or sweets as far as Mr. Thayer could recall. Throughout the evening he drank cognac regularly, but no vodka. However, he consumed no more or less than anyone else present, and although much brandy was drunk, no one became tipsy. SECRET Approved For Release 2006/1Q/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 25X1 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 1?11# eb Ve 4111j0 Next 12 Page(s) In Document Denied Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 in the Hotel dastroYad du Particularly in the last two years. In the center of town a conaiderable ount orbui1dint had taken place in the immediate post-war rs. 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Iteranovakt was previously o preaented: the amine in the tint After the usual pIeasentries Usti report in Russian on The PAM e Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 of the Ukraine SSR te us already translated in the ito?lish language. beJ 20 page raPart) 4ueatiars Mr. Baraaovaki stated that tour are Jog over-rultilled regularly. The ireornaew the first four *oaths et 19,9 was 8% i. Mked hoe the aanbinfory et planning mparataa trial enterprise esesdned ite potentiality* wtput, utilisingtheadidProoka, and in the Le4, to th*highest etrieleney. 1Maa tlaani also need in the tam et fertiliser* and eat and raw serhariels in the nese of plar*are then eonsalidated 14 elm* aUtai- isalwatirri and in saah distriet planning ?t sxare1 Thee. zaoUdeted lane then ino to the the output ti ri rat material* aan for Anoroved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 - hi00012t4r Baranovski stated, senyet oc*p1etir the 7 Y441- Eau in ant Yawn* XII essza ealieS this would not require sore nesh,ther7 or raw wateriels but in other eases it would re- wire telditional equipment. We tt", ocasidering the possibility or persitting the colleetive reran to fulfill the 7 Year nen in five.ift In subsequent interviews in other parts of the oonott7 it became unlit" that the *loom Sterviett Year Plan in loive* for egricature has been poem/ay adopted and approved. Diseussing the division or collective fare prori Nz wee; act very infereetive lie stated that the T Yaw Plan eit, 44% increase in ra~il themein *fish sad in Wei tut he did tot State leht this represonhid in aotual rubles nor did he reveal itier ablamte rieurall on average culleetive farce& incoseit. Depending tkP011 the commie Ite.ige or the rat* profits were distrituted. teth =wog mestere and to build up the ferste Uventory in such settats a* schools, hokovies* bospithl*, Nr4 Beenoveki stated* howevir overview& the distritutiott ot funds in orders he said, to protect the intelests of the individna. Pm* ewsniala be said there Ade* to sone hothead* idtro would spend too such on capital isresteeent ant not enough for the, isilAd throw. lie said that 4there is. siningav sweat with mot b pt glislivittible lune at the fare each year. Oa the. suktect of price* for apritywaturol product* Dortotovoki that these are eurrecitlY estabilabad so that both rich and poor fame bee, the ineentive to produce as much as posalible. Tire yeare two this woo cot the *co end proeurefecat priees were se low that the/ provided no istioatalve* The State there-von at the coot of its own inatodiate interests Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 16 - a rso that o tate Wed the fame. 11,1r. Borowski diaereses in xprminetion costs tore,iti7Oor8inas to zone differences 131 on le givIon to poorer ozWzt1on orershirt.Xn the as dro. or hail, real year and if it d of 7 by tho 11 to lasted about two and a rt van Irjr nacanovaki at a reisterized by its reste= le high o Male o1 Om State end ire room Aare* 1k-tai1s (fruit 15- the ifseahoon tanialnian dishes wom Por ually good* ea =eh for ? v or tosating. After the lucbon as the only seal in our rased.) Dusing the Ion as desultory* In a ais z CWasked whether zee on the disposal of Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 products. Por ezataple. if the Chainsuees wife wanted furniture in *heft short supply produced within the thyraetrkhos and the wife of the, ?Chain= in the arighboring dosnerthea weed the same furniture =won the WI/marl:hos Chaircan under presSure to satisfy local =sand fiat? The Chatritian eligied**Itiat depend* entirely on ay relationship with the wife of tbe Chair= in the nolghbaring itotewithoz.1 After lamb= the Harris= party viititcd the Kiev deonstary School M. 6. The Directreart. Nina iraneam Dodichroke was a little gray-haired old lady It who bed received her mat education in Czarist day* 1101 who, obvieusay ran the school with en iron he *1 have a auercht officer same she readily adnitted. The Directress said she me ?amok, Planning ter the *leventh You* ot sehooling waled for in the new educational reform for next Year. Further:lora, frac the tifth grade down a new cantetatae Ia Wang oi/otazed to ,prepare tor the =boa ratorms. Ow of the thug= lewravert consoltdet- ing history. =tuna history and geegtephar in one course and one tegtbook. (Pithausb she did not aay so, wegathened that this oonsaidatica was to compensate for the reduction of school loam front ten to eight years, and that the additional three year* for the eleven year *aurae would be to taken tg:t with manual traininki,- that there woad be little tine fttr lwoaer subjects. The 171r:oatmG3 *tautly defenied the new feforel, stating that prelatical work wee good fur students before university cement. or the 56 ote*Suiwke ohs had lest year oar 9 seat on to insatutions at higher learning. More woad have Med to luxe gone tut couldfr1/4 tecatft of the cometition. Now.nhe istatedossier the new law nanY When ttwi to work wiU lika it and stay there end not try to to on to lather schools. Approved For Release 2006/10/1.8: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 94 15 bad 'Wad saki tatted. %Uwe was way genstra trate AM* attidoirte eh noted* and that was to Loaf. If a student really wasted to gp to unlvornitYbn Goad wtetbr rrespondertee or night soheol kestil be wade onlid &coot have special sisases tot opt r example* ash year au Olmiad extra Immo* earaer. itie knew at mods in for their children Wore taking Bodis. Approvea'FOr Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Atter *wing to thtwb the Aikeheol which wee te the ruw wertehOM ober* gianbm in a metal working shop mei other *ram dor Cs labor. Ph. At the a ot eU gox* away on ro* iii were azally thrown oat yes, eh* described bow she bed that were eloolutsay deserted. to had team& destroyed. berate of Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 , vi ly and with *kill. of ttdame troup,, the State raki, eaSd that %Nit alea, Qu They Plan t* t? tomato a ke plavo Sal oi4d eve have that .T. Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 1 ple or members o calico clic had boat, 15 acmes or vagetabloc (for thane-1r acres of berries* The root of the ar Th rm has 6 treeters# 15 trucks mai ows of which 430 are milk sem, 12 pigs, mo li?Obeablvas and too fish ponds* The Director stated that all farmers bad wired vedic reeolvers and all .1o:trifled* ladaatoxamx Privately coned luxuries included Iz privatoX oars and 93 motorolicles* The -wet elao has Q 3QgvAvon and ono ten year, the former with 430 studentos the 2att with 78O It boo two boopitals with a total of 50 beds, too clu an cores herd ha* 1495 _Mere Average ?ut is i7 kU,ams Theaverage p tion per is 15 sentners of milk but b theand of the Year it should rat four months of 1959 thvy p1ued.0 eentners of P1 ve art immix, of 6.2 70,000 ratio*. rubles. Annmved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 7 17: Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 lame in five This same* they build lam et1144ms ?Owe per 100 heertmlle, their vain / r0 to mantners per hectare. arai seat frac 80 *witness per 10 or 800 ton* total to 150 sentoara per 00 beaten,* or .250 tow asaisma ;Von 172 to 1414.J0 per year. The also a la sour creme and cheese. In 159 the am:40r stated wale* ive tar basis. Loh i'srentr haa hectare pro itb, cheap transportation to earket. Slava all the s corn produeed is ter 611w ror Cattle bantam resolved sillesaida from 15 to r softer are 800, the in itiev. The ea tas. 750 same*at g*ai feeds are used. seme it accaleated at 2000 acre*. ror hay. Very litlie concentrated The farm was started, in 101 when war su.narshousoa were destroyed. Avenges yield per con1958 Was 35O kil oroi dualism in 1958 sea lattatc?1600X0 1 11 at 15 total silk prodi*tion was 158,c0u kilos Weal' riatly taw wilt its own taws. Sone, aa we sem are being Collective rarawnet build then individuals and each /ear about 00; ot ta. Somalian* collective tercets help each other in haildine. Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Ukraine Nesbit* the, how inoreescd produation for the 7 Year Men is? to some by norm ZGb*AtiOfl; ON Utitt of fertiliser* and more planting et nom The nom goomaticel by r have matotou which Ufa WTs they are Improving breeding by tb me at attie/um sold Asa they ane he? to three years it We so, milking madam being installei and The milk ie sold to a State retelling maU milk stop* in Kiev but they The price of milk ea** CLUMPS ith the mason. ithskachinsikattailitrabasemstkockisk the. price eeet elem. lb rivet bar of the nor it is higher ani the semsel half lower. All Nagetables are sold to is Stat. retail ontenprise. About half the Income of the form is from cattle td dairj products *ash is the moat profitable side of the opecati*s. and half from gardening. On. the subject of collective far* imonares. the Direetor was pertimalerly ve.E8b job, he sad" had a differ/sat norm mitt rate of pig'. Sae/ j p44 peer WW1 P.Xlet them at ties end or the year meats *web up, Mil: 4* Vor example/ tre ps?14 pa axle* fres; 12(All rubles to VD or WO. 35 op& *e lLtes z4 towage ?rector drivers get W1~ 1500 sal 1700 ruble. per rialtos 5.0 to WO rubles per meth. (in minter time field maim* Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Di Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 e bat bobs fatirtri ii the int4r. EV017 w usually- - A rtiliser, tc) war gets ons swath %Mt, SanatOrkM140 diatttbuted as reUci4:;-ctts to the issitsdatax taxes and insurance, 40 to 45% are divided roma current expenses saintenanoe, ruel, etc. Lest ,O5, 000 rues weft distributed among rarmers 2n cash. t1t the i1 laet year. They could have to is obligatory to a (certain minims* eaohinety and farsivouse obligatory. law their own houses it was pointed out that hi VeI iiae figura was tar the total distributed income divided b the camber of worker*/ ezplained that of the 713 worts= not tell* in winter. xies tor go SO latter*ezi Luton* distributed to farmers 3t wo44 app ar that the averaiga monthly income of Th 71, 10) 50 rubles. Dime *me got as high a* the Mt pd. gust have a very mall zuble theme per 1ss, the Dire tor listed inwaistaining that average month. for a brief en to $ome new bsn'as cattle. legation that it w aj tar wascede at least test Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 7 el h and *ex a grave of in the church .T. v1ated the tat exhibition W e wore Axon ewe rural collective termer* on A eihile reedit brick d be: built fork5OQO rub14,. Intilt for $4,(Xk rubies. ,nethet, ot Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 7,000 rubles and a /1 last three war* mile of law thoda oreviiatom tv cut out farmer could Se* exactly LOdei bounce were poorly ?stwddar. They re Auziebed in ao Weiss color cenbinations. * visited the cow ban* exel twee stables. being g34jtal in a large ring, edzile the advantages arei Weed- ?c* t4btt. laves included gray MI the tfiusine .orect#, forest-stems, en, t 7 in the evening we went to church service* at the Vi*D raL Kier in the norning Maryh Sewell had owe to a dressed* disenied and maimed, However, at the 1 n *atoned? to he no shebbier than the average Your People cospriee4 about one quarter older men seeped v*ry well droned indi end people one saw in of the comregatitel. Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 or or soadeniola P, rem The serv co, speak Russian. Orthodox -Chrab.0 Then he coati town la that he standing in front of you? wog= moriartt later a *Man eddlad US> end s ticallyv *rung mon, in an Orthodox Churah it ttX With your hands folded behind, you. ,T. and asked Ulla could ful sew ee in the Mr. Harriasen Is in rnti Preanmably Pilo (Word seems? to OU. stopped briefly very wt. prow to in zusi frc* its ioud,e.r and its Several kir Fleet PentOilneir at M. Harris= and called him by his iter1136 Oil ahead of us, protoablY through the rSB or radio that Governor liarrimen is on the march). We arrived at Sf.roi in the C,imee about four hours after leaving Kiev. Wo sere by a female Deputy Mayor with bououets of flower* for all of us and taken in Zile and Volgae to town behind a motorcycle oecort (the first we have encountered) where we were given a luncheon by the DeputY Mayor Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Yalta, eve graders and soldiers,. others re. a eel is a r tec city which le now called confusion ot lowing ?an et behind while he was Yalta acme time at the YallaCcoiarence, is being, widened and trifled ao that trolley buses sot.. will be in ? kilometer route. Large earth moving eadhineS. els were Mame* buelly at work, some manned b7 viliemss mostly women. Around Simpferopol the landscape was h1147.with vjneyerds in the ground and the Crimean mountains, unfortunatelY oove in thebadkarmnd. The road grew steeper 64 we crossed the mountains t e.ow pass and dropped down to the seaside at Yaluebta, whence we toUow4 the coastline to Yalta easel:3g, the ramou* Pig Mountain which ke like an enormous wild boar with its head halt immersed lathe is that the wild boarts beautiful basal, bride was kidnapped b7 Turkish, pirates, and to remmeher he tried to empty the sea b7 dr'.1. it.) At Yalta we went to the Ukreina Hotel, an old-feabioned quiet little establishment with panelled wal,te and elegant suites with balconies overlooking the tree-lined streets. Mary Russell and CLTahared a large two bedrene suite with two bathrooms and, sitting The service was excellent and the maids and waitresses hovered Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 eiroiutnr villa* whith los hail* TiOW std. The Promenade wee crowded i] with cLoth1z shoes esti souvenir booths. One shop advertised visitors vould record messages to the isk folks rds. ry Russell and CWT took a long walk up tile PrOasumi re r*stauNnt3 with Jess bands were filled with vseatione At the nd of the Promenade we entered a cafe Just ea the Jusic was cioeixi ?SUM.4,1"4 07411114114 beer rraa Pilsen was beteg served end while t we were entertained by very drunk and morose ledividuel ho en to reeont the feet that we. toe, were not in tear*. Several /way workers GU VaGatiOn, WOrebufly fe1ng themselves0 heir table manners locked the elegance one would associate with an U*n*1C City eareterisk. T of or so Pioneere in :sailor blouse* with their necks mardhed up- end greeted Oovernor ani with -dant* of welcome, bouqueste of lower*, red Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 supervVeara with accordinans then led them in a art* leg the Soviet Union, the Pioneers* pewee and friendehip and foo 1, Mary Ru*eU delighted them try taking endlese pluetographs with leer Polarvid After an enthesiestio half an hour 4,4 went into the Pelee a.r weregreeted by the Director It is now a sanatorium law* about uring people come for rest cures from sneer all over the Soviet Uon We ited the Conference Hall or the, Yalta Conference, now white dining roan. 2 In /resident Roose'velt*e. old dining mem ee were rgat.?,tne.. LI the Czar's out bedroom ten w Direator** After more Poleroid isr bode. 14.1 the matt? once, occupied ter Governor dner rom the Celebes were taking a oure. The that the vaoationers paid only about day rest cure to which the trade unions total west or 16op noble*. He then sent at** chair wets care 34- 101904ZIT al aPtion in the vialtore book. 4 taken with the Direoctor, we went on SatlY ng concrete pile or neo-classie to the Sanatorium Ukraine, end statuary from which a series or imitation marble staircases lad ha-mired feet down a steep hill to the sea. Movervicr Harriman di *yot meet make marble out ot Soviet oement. were number of dormitories. including one d&xe twit*. foz the Director, Dr. Ostrovski. said was am ordinermi with tamUieL The eost was win 1.600 rubles per pereon, days. The sanatorium had five such Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 with 'Woes particularly mega . wit b lions in various forms of r? eon the subject considerable tale all parts of the igem244 including The garden was etudded however, which M. Uarrteen recalled had Prim* MinisterChurchill during al Conference 'nth, afternoon the Harriman* *eat to the Messondra to the botanical garden*. In the wino cellar or f wins* were sampled. The manaaertold We* of the cellars consists of 34 sweet =scat, anti other de it wine*, 414 Ittosiging aril a which probably reflects the intudinato taste ine drinking section of the Joviet ciVer-exust, Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Ta 4 like to heves Waive I he W? possibility of At Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 southern end of the Ki fields in flying over wheat and aome spring crops.. At Krasnodar Ai rfiei4 a now runway was under construction and, a pilot who introduced himself explained that here:croft when it rained the field had been .1p to your ass knees in mud.* Re was there - impatientfore to get the new concrete runway in operation. We took off after a it short stop and landed next at Rostov-on-Don *bars the airfield '1,64 a perfectly good concrete runway but the pilot put down on tbe: grass alongside it, for no :apparent reason. now At Rostov we were taken to a private diming room. and given tea and. cake. The head of the airport talking about the, weather said casually that there had. been no rain in NbOtOV mince April. This was the, first inkll.ng that adrought, of some magnitude, was endangering crop- prospects, throughout the, Kuban -:nd Volga rests. Fro Eotov we tl alongthe Don on the left bank of whieh we noted. shelter belts of k trees that had already boon planted. There wee considerable barge traffic on the river. The soil, from fairly rich enable land, gradually shifted to. dry steppe. As we approached Stalingrad We ed a great deal of erosion. Bay was being -cut on some df the fields. flaw over a =Ober of large villages but there was lees, and less cultivated land as we reached our deetination. At 7 P.M.. we landed at Stalingrad and were .met as usual by the Deputy the head of Inturist and four large bouquets of Stalingrad: is about halt an, hour from town. We were the new lnturiet hotel which is lamlohly Umiak** finished in. Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 on the bedside table.It aoziste4. inside of which an electric eleotrie owl was the symbol of intu uridly ry and was found ni4r in deluxe tines. Apparently tastes are ohangng for this WAX the only owl w been en crosa in our travels perhaps they have/transferred to hotels itisens. &ftr planning our program with the Deputy Mayor we norninionat had dinner in a gaudy pillared dining. room bastra was playing for ourselves and one or two other tables. feuer wee a eilver-toothed lady singer. At our request the eyed 8taj.Rasp, &AO xpopg and other old Russian 0000. the city. ed pract C.W.T. called on the Mayor ctStaUn- on a construction engineee who rtwed 1956. Me stated that before the %ter After the famous battle not more than terial damage was estimated at cafly every large building in the OO Th natural growth of Stalingrad is approximately 13,0010 per year. New a little more. By 1965 the population will, it is predieSed, be about $00,000. Recallin of the. famous, Utica. which was almott the only surviving landmark in the city in Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 average about 10,000 or Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 35 - _1947.5. The Mayor rePlieA that it had been reawcd no on thaw where, because it did not fit in with the monumental, etyle in which the city has been rebuilt. Housing. is the major preoecupslion of the Mayor. Presently, 110 there is 60% more housing. than there as before the war. It is going up te o kit they are act The Mayor 00 square meter' or 15,000 to 15,000 apartments each he apartminta are small, i.e , two rooms plus bath and of construction is double the grow ng; demand so that clang up ard improving the Present level of housing. articularly that Mr. Harriman note the private dual housing that had been built canoe the war. In the fter the battle most of the inhabitants of 3ta1ingred lived in trnchee, dugouts and cellars. They gradually built their own houses from eterial in the ruins. Our task now is to build apartmen houses, said,Mar For this purpos. we must destroy the small temporary houees and put in their places the large apartment building0. "Krverthelessow he said, Nany people Still prefer to live in private ouses and the government has encouraged their building these by granting loans rom 7 to 10,000 rubles," which, he estimated covered 50 to 60% of the coat of housing. The rest was raised from accumulated savings.private individual house is often built by the owner himself, though thusual waY is for the owner to hire one expert foreman scism to supervise the work of the owner and his family and friends. The plans of individual houses, the Mayor said, must be approved by the city authorities and conform to established standards. The city architects supply model designs Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 but these can be e04iti44 by the ner provided the housing etandards for individual housing the Mayor satd the iitj or the tactory must provideroads, water, selvage. lights. The ii1svi4ual borne owner then pa.* taxes r the maintenance of these a four an be forgiven. Individual home miner can ii on coet. a cooperative- and build ion are for ubles not his en al commilialon establishes the value or an trsi nee purposes or in the event the house in condemned to sake roan for. an apartment building, in the case of sale, the owner can put he wants on it. Tho gov zx.nt1 the Mayor says, never in private negotiations on the ails of private housing. 111 the Mayor said, a family grows and the plot which the has given him le too amall to permit additions to the houe. in this case the owner can sell his house. *Mil for a larger plot In addition to individual housing which Gc. prisee about of the present plan, the 7 Year Plan calla for eonstruc buildings by the city and similar, construction Wfl workers, tieing the profits of the enterpriae. at another problem of the city WAS electric by factories for ti The Mayor sta, Power. The great Stalingrad hydroelectric plant which ix now =ming gradual into use already ban four largo generators. It will produce Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 two and a half millian kilowatts or 14 billion kilawatt hours per year. Uatil recently there bed been a savers pouter shortage in Stalingrad. Noway r. thermal the hydroelectric station and weveral tessimet stations had liquidated this shortage. The new M!!* thermal plants us* natural gas which the Nitsior *04 made it only slightly more expensive than hydreeleotrio power to operate and far chesPer to build. Re stated that progress is being made the on connecting/Stalingrad power system with one eingle central European Russian electric grid. ? :?6 ' 6 dr .6,1,10., ?it* Apart from houeing the Mayor as tion was one of gradts foremost problems. There are now some 70,000 students in STalingrsd and by 1965 there will be 110,000. Net only must these new students be provided with c1an-0room1 but additional buil:dings for night schools for the nilw th to Ilth year classes envisaged in the school reform must be built. The Mayor said that in Stalingrad there are now roar boarding schools with 1100 etudents. This year boarding school capacity will be increased to 3000 students' and in the future it will increase at an even crater rate* The average ordinary school, the Mayor said, bad places for 900 to 1000 students* The typical boarding sdhool with two dormitories housed approximetely 600 students. The Mayor highly PraiSed the hoarding School system, saying that this be regarded as one of than, nuclei of oommunism. Not only eould boarding school student. be Writer towel, but they could also be *brought up in the spirit of communism.* The selection of students for hoarding schools is diffioult mime there are far more applicants than vaeanclee. The first selectee* ars ohms= from children Of disabled veterans, poor families and orphans* except in the caw, of Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 speoial sehools,gemex for example, schools for irnstea1iy talented chibiren. There is no aptitude test for the boarding school since the children begin at boarding school at seven years and have had no previous sehooling. The original plan oalled for a twelve/fold increase in boording schools, but the decree published a day or so ago now states that there win be a fourteen -fold inerease and by 1965 eD% of all Soviet students will go to boarding school. Boarding students carts? bome an Sundays or holiday' or have their remilies oome to vielt them. The Mayor stated that there were very few cages* in whish children must be expelled from boarding schools. The only eases he knew of were children who ?destroyed the collective morale.* The Meyor ale* stated that there were two or three sohools in Stalingrad for backeara children. He said that caw backward children could be rehabilitated by the new methods of psychiatry. However, there were aome eases whichcculd never be cured and the only thing to do in thee cases was to train rather than educate the ehildrenas carpenters, for example in the case of boys, and seamstresses in the calla of girls. The Mayor stated also that apecial sanatorium schools were maintained in the suburbs for children with bad lungs. The Mayor said that corporal punish- is not a problem in the schools as it has long since been forbidden and a teacher is not even allowed to shake a child. The only oorPorsl punishment that be knows of is that administered by one child to another, but this, he pointed out, is universal. The Mayor stated that to solme, the peoblem of education in NalingTed It was necoasary to build seven to eight large schools each Year. This year alone twelve schools are being Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R00020nnnnni-') Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 blocks and holding verbal* 5000 *hi Another problem of the city was I 1u00 population, 5 large tion tor 4 rapY to yrDyc Mayor Dyi ay tit of the City and y which -tr by 800 deep rvArines ng filled by smut dredged 1 ventive exei several over a few alt inmedia ly olarmed to have 16 million popi4Uen of UwY rit al patients wht?h struck the Mayor Oman promised to get fuller statist general for patients Per thousand remittent cities and to send them em WaxIp ent or the geflel*I oat 75 kUoteters alongthe Volga =4 .rsion. Scine of these ravines axe Ode in may the ist meters of Sand. rota the Volga but tral distriote or town requires 10 allUon Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 ae - Some of the raiia will be dammed, Wei by divetting en irton canal, rilled with water and used as reservoirs. Vibe Mayor stated that another problem was climatic. Stalingresifr he nays, suffers free & ver7 harsh sax continental climate., with a dry desert steppe to the east. The hot winds* from the east blow a varY rine dust into the town all the year around. To deal with this the city Plana to plant as many trees- as possible. By 1965 it is hoped that they will have 17 stpare meters of green area per ceOta. They are also building an extensive tree belt east of the Volga to check the winds from the desert. 'Abe Mayor stated that the last problem was that of the developroes'xt of industry. BY 1965 the output of Stalingrad. must be increased? 2i tons end it will become a center of machine building ilattnetry, oil extracting and refininS =Whiner/ ? chemical* and building materials Ixidustrleo. Thee/ have already a considerable iron and steel industry aid are now work- ing on non-ferrous irdustries. One aluminum plant was just finished In January and a seemed is under construction. Of the two end a half-fold increase 30% will be by new industry and 700 by increasing production through anti* eutomation and modernization. They plan to have only a :AY% increase in manpower. Mayor Dynkin then turned to the Stalingrad hydroelectric atation,, stating that the engineers 'there disliked his mentioning the sublect to visitors as they felt it was their province and not his. Nevertheleasi, he eat& 4 or the turbine generators ere now in Operation? 1%.1011 generator was built for 110 kilowatt capeeity, but they find that they operate satisfactorily at 115 kilowatts. The hydro- Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 operating it and is selling th local consumers. kben the ate tot sovnarkhoz. The Mayor stated that the t en were steel and other meta - 41 the Ministry only the bi under oonstruetion the Ministry Is eetrical energy at State prices to is oplet. it will be taken over by Lon geet bottLezcks in Industry and con pipee. ceeut aid othreonstruCtion equipment of a reoecialised variety. He said that neither the designers are adquateiy keeping up with the planned rate of 1. He: says also there is a shortage. of At 12 oaeloek.at the r Venal, a ceremony was arranged at the ueeit to the heroes of A wreath was produced and Governor anal/ Mrs. Harrimen pieced it on the monument. There were no crowds but a considerable number of ObotogrOhera. After the oeremony we vlelted the meseum of the defense of Stalingrad which was crowded. Tem The museum begins with souvenirs of the battle of in during the Soviet civil war. Among the exhibits are Nd painting0 of the leaders of the defense of Tearints Stalinas day he was general*y Credited as being the sole defender,flOiV he takes a relatively minor role. One exhibit shove his original credential* signed by Lenin showing that he was seat to Tearintsin to be in charge of 'supply problems only. One photograph of a war council in Leningrad -shows, in addition to Lenin. Molotov and a person ythcri the Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 WT. -42 r of trophies p not ve z.nt1r displayed) and a scroll seat =eh nor* prominently displOol. One exhibit le Prowds,which contains Stan* famous appeal be outbreak of war. (It makes fascinating reading tkit&ts the Oovermar The i.2Q matomm44Woonstrates to a bIll Harnacv ver and a. win4tAmit0/41Airl place. The Mayor stat area need mi rain very badly. He added. er *ince April 2. The vocal VW speckled ne ana an unintelligible interpreter 1 per square motor which we Soviet defender*. the atalingred hldrcelectaloc we tram fainarad V After ltracheon the Pittrr tam peril which is about tiu-so Quarters of an constructi which are tarred but exceedieg y rough, conatantly torn up by A and badly laid trcLler tr#ks4Thanes, road is umUr The soil JO ezeetthg7 As the ears crossed the firet shoulder of the dam whieh is sand tL114 a high wind blew duet into Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 enapicuous throughout the of xe met by o took us ere ver7 lee In they looked askance at the protograpi we I . The site Itself $eemed ou*ly d2* ridksty ladders and gangSays littering the bad&Mb: on her head by striking against in 955 and wee scheduled to be conpleted by i9. conatrcti'm stated that they now plan to, stop 1960. Itwillooiatof2turbo-genera- Lreedy in GP ion. At full capacity it will It orates with a low head and can produce bead. However when the reservolrabove its mum height it will have a 27 meter head. was particularly proud of the design of the whichAce a suction an the lower side thus 0 the: blades. As the Volga is &dirty river and *t loge. en2 Je am, a screen is bein constructed )OVe tbe dam to catch debris before it rune Into took one or two photographs with rkere standing0 about. tater. mile sway another worker Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 approached her at *tstcd ?You have a a picture of me?" This 1aunhe4 another aonoyouace of local poli men an enormous o aa young revs approached tkotervior Harrieein and asked wh.r we had dam= dams comparable to Stalingrad in the United State end pli him itth further questions as to the capacity ehd sixe of the Hoover Ditm ant trend Coulee. They then turned to political subjects zed asked why the 4ted STetes wculd not cooperate with the Soviets to prevent war. *Whe Priam iou were an Ambassador we had good relatiorya Why omit we have thou new At the end they amid, *Why &nit you invite Nikita Seogovitch to the United States( They also asked what position Goverrwr Harrinum now hod in governaent. ftre you a Congressmen?* they asked. Nikita Itoot Sergovitoh a proposals, are very fine they said, "Why OU Ogre* to theta The Governor stated that the Aleerioen people j as peace as the Russians and as to the various propoarals for trengthening peace this waa a matter for the statemaen in office to ecide tter a great deal of milling about we finally got awe: 474 eturned to the tel. After dinner the May 291 At IC .L Governor X Tractor Pleat where they we -Mie evasive in toweriog Vlsil fel r and CI.T, went to the Stalingrad 07 the thief engineer who seemed a cos, perhap$ because he 1404 YOUOB end Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 but reconstruction - 45 - hail opanovitah 3dmlniko. pletely destroyed during the s directlythereafter. Within. a Y turning out tractor., withle burning engine*m in producing 54 HP diesel motors to ids diesels. They special t of tractora tor use in swamps and peat bege. They alec produce a great manly spare xerte. The general- purpose tractor can be fitted with *prince am} used for transportation as well culture.ItS A third typo of tractor is being developed for work on Steep slopee ror cultivating eineyarda orchards, ate, in areas such as he Caucuaua. However, not eves a prototype of this kind of tractor as available for inspection. The engineer stated that it could work an elope* up to 4q%. It does not term around but shuffles back and forth. Total production- at present is WO treaters per year. ay 1965 it ix planned to increase from 7e,, to 75.0910 a year. The general purpose tractor weighs 5.a)0 tilos and though the engine is euarenteed at 54 RP it can produce when broken in 4p to 60 HP. Until the war the entire tractor wee produced in the plant with the not the electrical eystem, the fuel pumps and the ball however the factory is specialised and many of the cod elsewhere. All age? are now since the, war, with the one or two wells, including the electr When the bettle for 3 alingrad was. et its height the power plant continued to operate, rating electricity for both sides. 9 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 dee plant production u. aies ware I Lassa protected tructed. al* for the plant are produced ps*Ialized plants outside at r stated that when the sovnar ad what each. St.ii4 ?e.ctpy has to make in zeneral terms, divided up h iDtiYi4UaI workahop where they aro the workers theaelvez Then the.)! go to a technical meeting If the plan, xerestz involves ipertat issuee, it la U the union meeting and by the Party cells in the shops. The a Pat Economic Council in which Party organisers and trative paractulel are cambers. is usually chaire There the director of the factory makes report* es the chief mincer doen to. The plant jnow workinc a on Saturdays eDt by October it will go, to a 7 hour day for nereased production in the 7 Year Plan will require no naower except in certain auxiliary departments? . kia f engineer stated that discipline was maintained by Uas tor which the workers felt themselves responsible. the main force Indiscipline is the union and Party orzani socialist competion is used. The chief ated that the worker realizes that he Ia the owner or the his SU: him to k more. Profits from overrulfilling o to raising the liflng ntandards of the worker*. Apparently Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 Approved For Release 2006/10/18: CIA-RDP83-00036R000200050001-2 day In two ani - 47.. r art 16,000 workers, ver, in or 7.7. Daily production is 100 tractors per f 50 traotors each1. ion we atm w g operating Average wage is 950 rubles a month, the saxinn is foundry work and the minimum 550. The chief engineer at could be fired without the approval of the plant 'a trod* The Party omenization is not involved In ring me standard 54 UP tinsetor designated as DT ax Is for 16,500 without accessories. With all accessories it sells for 7.300. The accessories inolude meumatic Kull:cent and attachments for hauling agricultural maahlnery? The