BRIEFING OF MEMBERS OF HPSCI STAFF

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6 July 1978
MEMORANDUM FOR: Deputy Director for Operations
FROM Donald P. Gregg
Chief, Policy and Coordination Staff
Liaison and Oversight Control
SUBJECT Briefing of Members of HPSCI Staff
the IC Staff, I spent a bit over three hours briefing
Jim Bush, Annette Smiley and Mike O'Neil of the House
Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence on clandestine
collection as carried'out by the DDO. At the end of t:-ie
session all three HPSCI staffers said that the briefing
had been useful. The next session with Jim Bush was set
for 12 July at 1300. At that time he`said he would like
to go over the DDO copy of the S&I report of the House
Appropriations Committee. This would in turn lead to the
structuring of a second "tutorial" session. Details
follow below.
2. The 6 July briefing started with an historical
sketch of the DDG, showing how its capabilities to acgLire
new sources have developed since 1947. The present
structure of the Directorate was then addressed, and four
charts were utilized showing how Directorate dollars and
manpower are allocated worldwide against our various 25x1
target objectives.
3. The organization ofl __J was then outlined
and from there a detailed discussion of its25xi
manpower and targets, followed. Efforts were ma e o
illustrate how a Station manages its assets so as to cover
the missions raised in its Operating Directive. Some
specific case histories were discussed, illustrating the
,time and effort involved in recruiting new sources and 25x1
launching new operations.
4. At the end, the0 production review of the
Directorate for mid-year 1978 was referred to to illustrate
varying customer reactions to Both 25X1
laudatory comments on economi noytina
critical comments on some gaps on ou were
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cited to show tha is objective and free-swinging
in rendering its judgments.
S. Time ran out at that point and Mr. Bush expressed
satisfaction with this first session. He outlined the
following problems which he sees the Agency as facing if
it is to convince the HPSCI that the it costs25x1
to run our clandestine effort is money we spent.
a. To justify the manpower and dollars
allocated, HPSCI must come to know "the labor
intensive" aspects of DDO work. (This point
had been illustrated in the briefing and
Mr. Bush urderlined the need to do more of it.)
b. The merits of the DDO end product
(intelligence reports) must be demonstrated.
Mr. Bush saw a need to have our product evaluated
from the customer point of view - a d referably
by non-CIA customers. (We told him does
this.) He urged us to stress both the uniqueness
and value of the DDO's human source product in
future briefings.
c. Mr. Bush said that in his earlier
discussion with the DDO mention had been made
of highly specialized and sensitive reporting
which does.not appear in normal intelligence
disseminations. Mr. Bush said he would like
to see as"much of this sort of reporting as
possible. (For DDO: Would like your version
of the conversation to which Mr. Bush referred,
and some guidance as to what sorts of
reporting you are willing to have us show to
the HPSCI staff and membership.)
6. Mr. Bush commented on some of the papers which
he had been sent by CIA. He felt that the focus report
I I written in late 1976, was not specific enough.
.Ile roun that he was overwhelmed by the myriad statistics
which he found included in the DDO evaluation reports of
its own product. We pointed out to him that conversation,
not paper, is the better way to come to understand how the
DDO functions.
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7. Mike O'Neil, the Chief Counsel of the HPSCI,
spoke up at that point to say that no matter how
fascinating our "nuggets" might be, he felt DDO could
best justify its costs and existence by showing the
benefits which accrue by the fact that we have
I Iofficers operating in countries around
the wor He said we should make efforts to cite the
in-depth data base on foreign countries which is built
up by a prolonged operational presence abroad, and the
ability to both judge and foresee crises which having 25X1
this data base gives us Comment: Following the
L and Gregg agreed that the
briefing Messrs. Elder,
O'Neil approach is a valid one to follow. We will
encourage Mr. Bush on his trip to ask Ambassadors how
their ability to do their jobs would be affected if no CIA
presence existed in their countries. We will also seek
to pull together other examples of the day-to-day value
of CIA's work.)
8. Mr. Bush then said he had not yet been able to
get hold of the HAC SEI report. He said the report. was
coming, but that he would like to see a copy sooner
rather than later. It was agreed that he would spend an
hour to an hour and a half on 12 July going over an
annotated DDO copy of the S$I report and discussing its
contents with me. Following this, specific topics will be
cited to be used as the basis for the next tutorial session.
Mr. Bush indicated thathe would like to talk to and 25X1
SE Division officers. _
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9. The three CIA officers all. felt the session had
been a useful beginning. Much remains to be done however,
as there is remaining skepticism as just what th
pent on CIA clandestine collection brings Zn he
way o value to consumers. The HPSCI staffers are open in
expressing these questions and all concerned feel that the
tutorial approach is an ap ropriate one to take.
Donald P. Gregg
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