CIA NEEDS WATCHDOG COMMITTEE EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. CLEMENT J. ZABLOCKI OF WISCONSIN IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

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Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 A136 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - APPENDIX January 14 scorn as the wrecker of the foreign aid pro- gram. The truth seems to be, however, that Mr. PASSMAN knows more about the foreign aid program than any President has had an op- portunity to know for the simple reason that he has studied it longer and in more detail. He has handled the foreign aid appropria- tion for 9 consecutive years. Mr. PASSMAN is not a liberal; he is a conventional Loui- sianian, but with a flair for rather rakish at- tire and an endless patience in coping with one of the really big practical problems of modern government. It is only a slight exaggeration to say that officials of the foreign. aid program would much prefer it if neither Congress nor the public knew much about its activities, ex- cept the puff stories on its great achieve- ments which are not inconsiderable. The official attitude about foreign aid is that it is an instrument of foreign policy used by the President under his constitu- tional authority to direct this policy. What flows from that conception is that Congress should not, indeed cannot under the Con- stitution, interfere. This is an impractical concept, which Mr. PASSMAN annually demonstrates to be faulty. However, much of what is done under the foreign aid program is hidden from the pub- lic. There was a time when it was a secret how the money was divided up between vari- ous countries. Even now the secrecy label is so widely used that "it looks like a ticker tape parade when you see us lifting secret and classified stuff in the hearings." Every now and then a little something leaks out, like Lebanese bulls with nine stalls apiece or extra wives for Kenyan Govern- ment officials, or air-conditioned Cadillacs for Middle Eastern potentates. A suffering public has become more or less conditioned to this kind of thing and would not aban- don foreign aid for this alone. Nor is it likely that the public as a whole would end all foreign aid, however much annoyed it may become over waste and incomprehensible spending abroad when there is so much that needs improvement in this country. But it Is clear that a majority in Congress believes that the country wants to go slower on foreign aid, be more selective, be more certain that definite policy alms are being pursued toward a useful conclusion. Every year for 9 years the clamor has come from the White House and the Depart- ment of State that any cutback will wreck our foreign policy. And any time there is a out our foreign policy never seems to be de- monstrably better or worse off. A few facts are usful. In this connection. In the last 8 years Congress has reduced the White House budget requests by more than $6.5 billion. Yet every year more money was appropriated than foreign aid officials could use. The so-called pipeline funds from past years which are committed to continuing projects now amount to more than $7 billion. Foreign aid could go on for several years without another penny of appropriation. It is not uncommon for officials to make huge allocations of their funds in the last 2 or 3 days of a fiscal. year so that they won't have any uncommitted money left, and can claim they are emptyhanded in meeting the world's challenges. Last year the White House, the State De- partment, and the Defense Department all said our foreign policy was being wrecked by a. billion-dollar out. Yet these agencies finished the fiscal year with a total of $744 million of unobligated funds on their hands. Basically, the facts do not support any contention that Congress has either wrecked the foreign aid program or really harmed it. Nor does the contention hold water any longer that the Russians are rushing in Where we pull out. The Russians have had their own serious problems with foreign aid. This appears to be one case where instinc- tive public reactions are right; that we have been spending too much on foreign aid and CIA Needs Watchdog Committee EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. CLEMENT J. ZABLOCKI Or WISCONSIN IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Tuesday, January 14, 1964 Mr. ZABLOCKI. Mr. Speaker, day by day the evidence mounts that a con- gressional watchdog committee on the Central Intelligence Agency Is needed; and day by day public support grows for the creation of such a committee. Created as a central agency to gather and analyze intelligence information, the CIA has, all too often, been guilty of formulating foreign policy. Recently, former President Truman, under whom the CIA was first organized, expressed his belief that the CIA had strayed off course and should be made to adhere to the original purpose for which it was created. I could not agree more. For the rea- sons set forth by President Truman and other constructive critics of the CIA, I have introduced legislation into every Congress since 1953 calling for the crea- tion of a Joint Congressional Committee on the CIA. My bill, House Concurrent Resolution 2, currently is pending before the House Rules Committee. I urge my colleagues on that committee to consider this res- olution and companion bills as soon as possible. Further, under permission granted, I include an editorial from the January 4 issue of the Milwaukee Journal calling on Congress to approve a committee such as that proposed in House Concur- rent Resolution 2. TRUMAN: CIA OFF TaAcx Former President Truman has added his doubts to many others about the operations of the Central Intelligence Agency. And he speaks with authority, for the CIA was or- ganized during his presidency to serve the needs of his office. As organized, Truman says, the CIA was to bring together intelligence information avail- able to all branches of Government, valuate and interpret it for the President. It was never meant, Truman says, to "be injected into peacetime cloak and dagger operations." It was never meant to make policy. CIA activities have frequently been em- barrassing to this country in the last decade. In numerous Instances the Agency actually has worked counter to our foreign policy. Certainly we need no agency to work to sub- vert foreign governments-yet the record indicates that the CIA has done that very thing. Truman is quick to acknowledge the pa- triotism and the dedication of CIA officials. He just thinks they have been off the track. The Agency, he says, should return to its basic job of gathering and assessing intelli- gence for the use of the policymakers. In connection with this, the proposal that the CIA be audited by a special committee 07 Congress, just as the Atomic Energy Com- mission is, deserves congressional approval. The CIA is too much a > a unto itself. For its own good, and the co =airy's, it should be Burped and put under c nstant check. No Comp-omis: t n Canal EXTENSION OF REMARKS or HON. DONALD 3ITMSFELD OF ILLI ' I; IN THE HOUSE OOF RF I.ESENTATIVES Tuesday, JanuL y 14, 1964 Mr. RUMSFELO. h r. Speaker, I wish to insert in the Rnc, ?m the following Chicago Daily News ea -lorial of January 13, which briefly but o icisely analyzes the background of the 'anama crisis and recommends a firm sti ad by the United States: No COMpaoMIsi )at CANAL Facing the first intern.- ,t:onal crisis of his administration, Prosid@n .sohnson was un- derstandably eager to 81 tae role of peace- maker in Panama. We -eve some qualms, however, that his eagerr- led him to con- cessions he may regret. It was essential to seer: a i end to violence and bloodshed. It was a-o essential.to deal with the political over ties that quickly came to the fore. But nc,:aker howling mobs nor demagogic pol iticiar are likely to be deterred by weakness, a. ,d in Panama the United States has ^xhib ai more weakness than strength. Why should we adopt a .almost apologetic attitude either in he U-it?vf Nations or in the Organization of Amea ~,n States for try- ing to protect American:. Prom Panamanian attack? Nothing more if _n self-defense was involved, and the loss of 1rierican lives and the extensive dest uctioi 4 U.S. property are ample evidence that were more timid in exercising that right ,l,an the circum- stances justified. The mobs that stormed she U.S.-controlled Canal Zone were organize di wo well and too quickly to qualify n:a an a ?c: dent. The Gov- ernment of Panama, has :r-'used the people against Americans in the :'.anal Zone year after year, for its own pe --.tical benefit, and this is its harvest. Then I ; good reason to believe that, Castro-Com_.tuofsts joined the attacks, if they did not 1.;- 11e instigate them in the first place. Panama's quick break diplomatic rela- tions, and the imXgediate aoand for control of the canal, seemec'. well ei.earsed. And, as might have been predict, , the Soviet bloc plus the anti-American c true in the Latin republics joined in he he -1; against Ameri- can "imperialism." It is clearly true that 1.. history of the Panama Canal is somewl t checkered, and that conditions hive c aged since the United States engineered ' -,ib the canal and the creation of the R.epubl -, ?,f Panama. But it is also true that in reoe, :ears the United States has made ma33y con lions to appease the Panamanians. If there are other neg i able grievances, they can be settled arou I the conference table when things luiet ?.civn again. But nothing should be conce cud in an atmos- phere of bloodshed and b ckmail, for to do so is to invite more of the same not only in Panama but elsewhere. In particular, U.S own: s tip and control of the Panama Can;+.l mu -..:mot be regarded as negotiable. If It Wakes Slow of strength to shut off the threats s the canal, let strength be shown. That, zi least, is some- th}ng everybody and irstan 's -and it is more likely to win respect than . vll]ingness to be everybody's doormat Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 1964 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - APPENDIX A135 sin Slandering Congress Is Slandering Our As we all know, our Government was tht at ngess88tli Cocessed set acepeacetimethe of Government founded on a system of checks and bal- longevity of the record and allowed only 8 days of System antes. The executive branch some- vacation for the legislators before the 2d EXTENSION OF REMARKS or HON. OLIN E. TEAGUE OF TEXAS IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Tuesday, December 24, 1963 Mr. TEAGUE of Texas. Mr. Speaker, perhaps the most widely played indoor game in the United States is that of slandering-the Congress. It is not a new game. It has been played with great fervor and spirit ever since we became a nation. Usually, but not always, the tide of slander arises because Congress has re- f}lsed to act as a rubberstamp for a popular President. The torrent of abuse that- is being poured out against the Congress today is not unprecedented, but it is serious and it is growing in its intensity. News- paper cartoonists delight in picturing Members of thelegislative branch either asegocentric clowns or as mindless slug- gards: National columnists, ridicule the Congress unmercifully because we do not throw our doubts and our convictions out the window and vote instantly for measures of which the columnists per- sonally approve. Since most newspaper- men are somewhat- more liberal in their politics than the average American, their scorn usually falls heaviest on legisla- tors whom they consider to be conserva- tive. There is a dangerous tendency to judge a Congress- merely by the amount of legislation it passes. Too many commen- tators are interested in quantity, not quality. If a Congress refuses to pass a flock of laws, regardless of their merit, it is inevitably tagged with the "do noth- ing" label, and the inference is that its leaders are weaklings and its Members timewasters. Such people confuse progress with mere motion. When a man spins around in a revolving door, Mr. Speaker, he is not making progress. Neither is he mak- ing progress when he fallsdown a flight of stairs. Because we have moved with delibera- tion in areas of -enormous importance to the Nation and to the free world we have been accused of weakness. Our t of i g y e gn, -no procedures have been a s Member of the weakness, but of strength. The Con- I am proud of being a ventions and the politicking for next No- gress is a continuing body with roots 88th Congress and I deeply resent the vember. nders that the irrespon- l d a s sunk deep in every corner of the land. libels an The Members of Congress collectively sible propagandists for instant legisla- know far better than anyone else what tion have been throwing at us. the people of the country - think and And, M. Speaker, it is heartening to what they want and what they are say- know that there is a growing segment of ing. It is my considered opinion that the Nation's press that is beginning to the average American citizen is less lib- appreciate the value of the 88th Con- eral in his thinking than most of the gress. Under unanimous consent, I in- columnists andcommentators would like sort in the RECORD two recent examples him to be. And I am absolutely certain of such constructive thinking: that the average American citizen does [From the Dallas (Tex.) Morning News, Nation swiftly into vast and continuing programs as a result of hysterical snap decisions made at the behest of the ex- ecutive branch. times acts as a check on the impulsive- ness of the legislative branch, and vice versa. During the past 2 years the 88th Congress has been a wholesome and re- straining influence upon Executive ex- uberance. By acting with thoughtful delibera- tion we are making certain that human rights are being preserved; that prop- erty is being properly protected, and that individual liberty is not being im- periled by expediency. Over the centuries, Congress has built a structure of laws upon a foundation of precedence. Because we have built this structure with thoughtful delibera- tion, it is the soundest legislative - struc- ture in the world today. Our critics, Mr. Speaker, make the claim that our refusal to act impulsively is proof that our legislative processes are not efficient. Although I deny the allegation, I also maintain that bloodless efficiency is not the sole aim, or even the principal aim, of Government. A rep- resentative democracy, such as ours, is not nearly as efficient according to your definition of efficient, as a Fascist or a Communist despotism, where the merest whims of the dictator have the iron ef- fect of law. But who would exchange the comparatively inefficientfreedom of this land of ours for the prisonlike ef- ficiency of the slave state? I repeat, Mr. Speaker, that the value of a Congress should not be measured merely by the number of bills it passes. In many cases, as we all know, it takes harder work and a great deal more cour- age to resist legislation than it does to ride complacently with the tide. It also takes courage to insist upon the thoughtful shaping and refinement of legislation so that it will achieve the maximum good for the maximum num- committees and the rules of Congress have ber of people, when the strident voices of been extremely hypocritical. the propagandists are demanding that When seniority, committee power, and the we pass it instantly, without debate or rules are used to promote liberal legislation, deliberation. it takes courage, in short, the liberal critics are not loud with their "to keep one's head when all about are complaints. They make noise usually when losing theirs, and blaming it on you." these factors work against legislation they This is riot the spectacular brand of would like to have passed. One thing is sure: The next session will be courage, but it is something immensely shorter. Though the number of requests in valuable to the Nation. It is the brand the President's program may be greater than of courage that the 88th Congress has ever before-with a civil rights bill and tax exhibited in abundance. cut proposals left over, plus a revival of medi- to come up-Congress- The fact that we have been able to care and other issues do so, Mr. Speaker, is a tribute to your men from both parties, both liberals and own firm and understanding leadership. conservatives, will be anxious to adjourn o home for the primaries, the con- to arl Barely 30 hours before the end of the old year, Congress adjourned--if that's what you can call it. It might be more correct to say session is called to order January 7. There has been a tremendous amount of criticism leveled against Congress lately for being slow and failing to enact legislation. Most of-. this criticism is unfair. Americans for Democratic Action refers to Congress as the "iceberg on Capitol Hill," charging that it is run by a "reactionary- conservative" coalition. Roy Wilkins of the NAACP says Negroes are "disenchanted" with the whole legislative process. Walter Lippmann, in a recent column, goes so far as to charge that the "88th Congress has been paralyzed by * * ? a conspiracy to suspend representative government." He adds, referring to efforts by Congress to prohibit credit guarantees for sale of wheat to Red nations, that the legislative branch has been attempting to usurp the Presi- dent's constitutional power to conduct our foreign relations." Such charges are not altogether valid. With respect to the wheat deal, as one of our readers pointed out in a letter on this page Wednesday, article I, section 8 of the Constitution grants Congress the power "to regulate commerce with foreign nations." How can Congress be engaged in "a con- spiracy to suspend representative govern- ment" when it is essentially the most repre- sentative branch of government? Congress-is-closer to the people than the President or the Court can ever be. The fact that Congress has refused to grant certain Presidential requests or failed to act on others does not mean that we have a "do- nothing" Congress, as frequently charged. It might, and often does, mean that Con- gress thinks some of these requests are not in the best interest of the Nation. Or it might mean simply there have been too many requests. Every year-- the President asks more of Congress; and in the last session the admin- istration kept coming back with the same requests for second and third tries after initial attempts to win congressional approv,- al failed. - Most of -the people who attack the con- gressional seniority system, the power of CONGRESS AND THE AID PROGRAM-PASSMAN'S BATTLES BELIEVED REFLECTIONS OF PUBLIC REACTION TO WASTE SPENDING (By Richard Wilson) OTTO ERNEST PASSMAN, 63, is a Congress- man from Louisiana. Annually, Mr. PASS- MAN gets into a fight with the White House over spending for foreign- aid. He Is chair- man of the House Appropriations Subcom- mittee which handles this troublesome item. It is usually said that Mr. PASSMAN is try- ing to superimpose his judgment on that of four Presidents of the United States and any number of other outstanding personalities. This devastating remark is supposed to- crush Mr. PASSMAN and hold him up to public Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - HOUSE panies of America and, as a matter of fact, Project Gasoline was initially begun by one of the major coal producers of America. So there is a great deal of re- search, a lot of which has been encour- aged by the Federal Government. May I say to the gentleman that in addition to the research projects, coal mined by automation has attempted to make itself more competitive. The price of coal to- day is less per ton than it was in 1947. All of the factors along the line economi- cally with respect to coal have been rather stable, but when we continually lose great market areas such as New Eng- land-and I for one would not for 1 min- ute say that we have to turn all of New England back to the private domain of coal; I do not suggest that at all but sim- ply say in my remarks we ought to have a level which this should not go beyond. In other words, the continual raiding of markets, no matter how swift our re- search might be or how vastly improved automation in the mining of coal be- comes, makes it hard for us to keep pace when they take the markets away from us in such an unfair competitive situa- tion. Mr. WHARTON. Then, the gentle- man would say these programs are defi- nitely worthwhile in making the state- ment ? from your own personal ex- perience? Mr. MOORE. With respect to re- search, I hold out great hope for the fact that the programs which are now under- taken and the various contracts that the Office of Coal Research has engaged in, will make a major contribution which would encourage a greater use of coal in many areas of the country. Mr. WHARTON. I thank the gentle- man. Mr. MOORE. I yield back the balance of my time, Mr. Speaker. But much of the criticism directed at the CIA is not constructive. It cannot possible be, as it is not based on facts. It is based on half-truths and distortions. Indeed, some of it constitutes complete untruths, with no foundation whatever in fact or in reason. This is what con- cerns me. Something once said, how- ever false, is readily oft-repeated and in time is accepted as a fact although an outright falsehood. And we know there are those who would, if they could, dis- credit the CIA. Others of us, having no such intention, unwittingly become their victims. Let me present one illustration. I re- fer to the much publicized, much dis- cussed case of the Polish defector, Michal Goleniewski. I refer to the ir- responsible series of articles concerning the CIA that has been recently pub- lished in the New York Journal Amer- ican. Among these wild accusations is that the CIA has attempted to prevent Michal Goleniewski from appearing before the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee. They go so far as to charge that the CIA has quashed subpenas. That sim- ply is not true. A simple telephone call to the chairman of that subcommittee would have brought forth the informa- tion that going back to last August, when the first subpena was served on this man, the executive branch of the Government has been cooperative with the Senate subcommittee throughout. Contrary to what has been reported in the press, the postponements of Michal Goleniewski's appearance before the Senate subcommittee were at the request of the man himself. And the subcommittee agreed to his request. I might add that the CIA subcom- mittee, of which I am a member, went into every aspect of this case. I am personally satisfied that the publicized statements purported to come from Michal Goleniewski are not correct. The information as reported in the press is not in agreement with the information Michal Goleniewski has made available to many departments of Government. Stories such as have been circulated on this case display a reckless regard of the truth. They can be harmful, and those who circulate them do a great dis- service to maintaining public confidence in the CIA. Before commenting further with re- spect' to the CIA and unfounded criti- cisms of it, perhaps I should first take cognizance of the criticism of the CIA Subcommittee, of which I am a member. It is quite understandable that some Members of Congress might feel we are not as well acquainted with the opera- tions of the CIA as we should be. No one, except members of the subcommit- tee itself, has any knowledge of just how extensively and intensively we inquire into the activities of this intelligence agency. We hold no public hearings. We issue no reports. We cannot do otherwise and preserve the effectiveness of the CIA as a secret fact-gathering agency on an international scale. We can only hope that the House has suffi- cient confidence in our subcommittee, as individuals and as a committee, to accept our assurances that we are ' opt well in- formed and we have no t a: ?itancy of keeping a close eye and 1 on CIA operations. I was very much distsesse :.o read an article in Esquire maFa7inr- written by a distinguished Member of Congress- one of the best and one f my good friends-in which he :says: The members of four siibcomi tees them- selves, by definition, have r ?e tively low status. Not because I am a mem of one of those subcommittees, out f? the other members of our Armed Scrv Subcom- mittee on CIA, I must take exception to the implication of that sta. went as to their status. The membership of our sloaommittee is comprised of the di::tinguis)ied chair- man of the House Armed & -ices Com- mittee, the gentleman fr -x. Georgia [Mr. VINSON]; the dist ngui !i(d ranking majority member, the geni. anan from South Carolina [Mr. RIVER ]: and an- other distinguished raxtking '.I mber, the gentleman from Louisi _mna [ tr. HEBERT] . Serving with them are th( other very distinguished member,,:: Th Gentleman from Illinois [Mr. PRICE], tl .entleman from Indiana [Mr. BRAY], tl:z :;entleman from Florida [Mr. BEN NETT the gentle- man from California I Mr. I; soN 1, the gentleman from Alabama I Jr. HUDDLE- sTON], and the gentleman fr ;n,. New Jer= sey [Mr.OsMERS]. I am not at liberty to a-pounce the members of the other subei rnmittees in the Congress dealing with (:ri matters; but I can assure the House hey are not "by definition, of relatively cw status." The article to whic'i I r ;e r goes on to state: But even had those subcon 3nittees both- status and time, the dibiculti, -nvolved in dividing jurisdiction among tl. - our would, I think, be insuperable. This point deserver. ant: ,, is. Since the proposed solution to V matter of low status and little time "ould be to establish a Joint Committe, ( n Foreign Information and Intellige co. several questions arise. In addition to CIA the: are other intelligence activities which are compo- nent parts of the Departr :- it of De- fense, the Department of S Lne and the Atomic Energy Commissioi I do not believe that the Housc F. --i:4n Affairs Committee, the Armed Servi Commit- tee or the Joint Cons mnitte, .)n Atomic Energy would be likely to rel:eiuish their responsibilities for le?islati -e oversight of the components of those ]eoartments which are presently under ti cir jurisdic- tion. We would thus be e: tablishing a Joint Committee on Foreign. [i itelligence that would, in fact, be sup( -inposed on the existing committees and Aibcommit- tees. This brief analysis do s not begin to delve into the jurisdiictio.. a problems that would thus be raised within the congressional commits ee st ucture and the Congress itself. In the same Esquira art: it is as- serted In connection with lie, Bay of Pigs situation, and I now q,,iote, "Not only was CIA shapin=g pol v --perhaps understandable becau::e of .1e absence The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. PRICE). Under previous order of the House, the gentleman from Illinois [Mr. ARENDS] is recognized for 20 minutes. (Mr. ARENDS asked and was given permission to revise and extend his re- marks.) Mr. ARENDS. Mr. Speaker, one of the most important agencies of our Gov- ernment, particularly during this period of international uncertainties and anx- ieties, is our Central Intelligence Agency. The time has long since arrived when someone should take cognizance of the baseless criticism that has been and con- tinues to be heaped upon it. That is my purpose here today, as a member of the CIA Subcommittee of the Commit- tee on Armed Services since its establish- ment. I do not purport to speak as an authority on all the functions and activi- ties, of the CIA. But I do presume to speak with some factual knowledge about the CIA as an organization and how it functions. I do not mean to imply that the CIA should be above criticism. No agency of Government should be above criticism. Constructive criticism makes for im- proyer rit, and j:here, is always room for Improvement. Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 6168 Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - HOUSE Mardi-26 of direction from policymaking organs of the Government-but that policy was patently at odds with State Department thinking." The author of the article then adds that he does not wish to fully rehearse the events which preceded the Bay of Pigs, nor do I. This accusation, however, is not founded in fact but, on the contrary, is flatly inconsistent with the truth. It will be recalled that the White House issued a statement on April 24, 1961, saying: President Kennedy has stated from the beginning that as President he bears sole responsibility for the events of the past few days. He has stated it on all occasions and he restates it now so that it will be under- stood by all. The President is strongly opposed to anyone within or without the administration attempting to shift the re- sponsibility. To assume or assert that CIA shaped policy and then executed it when that policy was at odds with the official policy of the Department of State not only demonstrates a lack of knowledge of the coordination and control procedures in, the executive branch but further implies that the Director of Central Intelligence or other officials of the CIA are violating their oath of office by willfully disregard- ing the views and instructions of the President. Based on my knowledge, the assertion and implications of the state- ment are false. The Esquire article indicates the au- thor's recognition that a high degree of secrecy is essential to the workings of the intelligence community and with this I agree. But the article continues by saying there are dangers if public con- fidence in the intelligence establishment erodes. The article continues by stat- ing: [Such erosion] is less likely if a body of the people's representatives properly consti- tuted and carefully chosen by the leader- ship of the two Houses of Congress remains continuously aware of the activities of the intelligence community. Based on my long-term membership of the CIA Subcommittee, I again can assure the House that the subcommittee has been continuously aware of agency activities. I must reemphasize that this subcommittee in fact is properly con- stituted and carefully chosen by the dis- tinguished chairman of this committee. The statement has been made that CIA meddles in policy. This is an often heard allegation about the Agency, but the facts do not support it. CIA is an in- direction from the policymakers. The late President Kennedy commented on this in October 1963 when irresponsible sources were alleging that CIA was mak- ing policy in Vietnam. He said: I must say I think the reports are wholly untrue. The fact of the matter is that Mr. licCone sits in the National Security Coun- cil. I imagine I see him at least three or four times a week, ordinarily. We have worked very closely together in the National Securi- ity Council in the last 2 months attempting to meet the problems we face in South Viet- nam. I can find nothing, and I have looked through the record very carefully over the last 9 months, and I could go back further, to indicate that the CIA has done anything but support policy. It does not create r,olicy; it attempts to execute it in those areas where it has competence and respon- sibility. The President went on to say: I can just assure you flatly that the CIA has not carried out independent activities but has operated under close control of the Director of Central Intelligence, operating with the cooperation of the National Security Council and under my instructions. So I think while the CIA may have made mis- takes, as we all do, on different occasions, and has had many successes which may go unheralded, in my opinion in this case it is unfair to charge them as they have been charged. I think they have done a good job. This was President Kennedy's state- ment. It has been asserted that there are no effective checks on the Agency's activ- ities. The facts are that every activity the Agency engages in is approved in advance at the appropriate policy level. It is also said that "Crucial decisions are made for us and in our name ofwhich we know nothing." This is not true. The subcommittee, of which I am a mem- ber, -is kept informed on a current- basis of the activities of the Agency and, as I mentioned before, this organization Is not a decisionmaking body but one which carries out the instructions of others. The magazine article I mentioned speaks of the personnel In the Agency, and acknowledges that CIA officials are among the most distinguished In the en- tire Federal establishment. With this I would readily agree. But the author of the Esquire article is in error when he says that CIA is "served by only one politically responsible officer." Both the Director and Deputy Director of the Agency are appointed by the President and confirmed by the Senate, and I would note that all other, employees of the Agency can be terminated by the Director on his own authority. The implication that they are not responsible is beneath reply. He says that CIA relies heavily on the services of retired military officers. The facts do not support this as there are very few retired military officers in the Agency. Of the top 46 executives in the Central Intelligence Agency, only two are retired military officers, and the proportion of retired military officers to professionals throughout the Agency is even smaller. He says that the Agency relies heavily on services of political refu- gees. It is true that it does on occasion use political refugees, but a misimpres- sion is given here. These individuals are used when their expertise and area knowledge Is required and the informa- tion they provide Is extensively cross- checked against a great variety of other sources. I would note also that my esteemed colleague in one paragraph indicates that the daily chore of coordinating and cross-checking intelligence data is the responsibility of the Defense Intelligence Agency. According to the National Se- curity Act of 1947, the Central Intelli- gence Agency is actually charged by law with the coordination of intelligence. The law reads: For the purpose of coordinating the intel- ligence activities of the sereval Government departments and agencies in the interest of national security, it shall be the duty of the Agency, under the direction of the National Security Council-to make recommendations to the National Security Council for the co- ordination of such intelligence activities of the departments and agencies of the Govern- ment as relate to the national security. As a matter of actual practice the re- sponsibility for coordination over the years has been that of the Director of Central Intelligence, who has been sup- ported in this regard by the CIA. The magazine article also makes the statement that CIA is both the chief fact gatherer and the chief agency for co- ordination. As I have just mentioned, the Agency is charged by law with co- ordination, and it is also charged, and I quote: To correlate and evaluate intelligence re- lating to the national security, and provide for the appropriate dissemination of such intelligence within the Government. In effect, what this means is that the CIA takes intelligence from all different sources, departments and agencies and produces the national intelligence re- quired by the policymakers. During the years that I have served on the CIA Subcommittee I have sat many hours questioning the Director and other Agency officials about their ac- tivities and how they go about their work. On many occasions this subcommittee has quietly looked into some of the then current accusations against CIA. Let me assure you, Mr. Speaker, that we have always received the information needed. Also, we have been privileged to learn of many events in the secrecy of our meetings before the events have hap- pened. The CIA officials who have been before our committee have at all times been re- sponsive and frank in their discussions with us. I do not believe that baseless charges against the CIA are serving the national interest. If there are those who have information which they believe would be of assistance to the CIA Subcommittee in its review of Agency activities let them come forward-we would welcome such information. Let me make it clear, however, that those who would expect the subcommittee then to report on its findings will be due for disappointment. By the very natureof the Agency's-mis- sion, revelation of its activities will truly destroy it. It is my view that the establishment of CIA in 1947 by the Congress was ex- tremely wise and showed amazing fope- sight into the problems that would face this country in the years to follow. The wisdom of the Congress in establishing this Agency to provide the President with the necessary information on which to base our foreign policy has been borne out by the performance of the Agency. I do not claim that the Agency has been 100-percent correct. But I do believe it has provided the President and our policymakers with the tools that they must have. Certainly the Armed Services Commit- tee and the Appropriations Committee of both Houses have been enabled to judge more correctly our defenseneeds on the basis of the information CIA has been able to provide. While the Agency is a newcomer in the history of the Nation and among its foreign -cofht r s" -T wish to' state now that it probably is the finest intelligence agency in the world Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 1064 Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - HOUSE 6169 today. I believe that the Congress and the country should applaud the dedi- cated and highly professional career offi- cers of CIA for the magnificent job they have performed over the years. Mrs. KELLY. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? Mr. ARENDS. I yield to the gentle- woman from New York. Mrs, KELLY. I thank the gentleman from Illinois for yielding to me at this moment for a few remarks, and I hope he will answer a few questions. I was the first one to introduce a res- olution in this House in 1953 for the establishment of a Joint Committee on Intelligence Matters. During my first year on the Committee on Foreign Af- fairs I found the need for such a com- mittee, and in 1953, together with two of my colleagues, Congressman ZABLOCKI and Congressman Judd, I introduced a resolution to accomplish this. The pur- pose of my, resolution was not to make charges against the CIA, or to criticize the CIA. It was an endeavor to make sure that the CIA operate properly, co- ordinate intelligence gathered by the various Government agencies, evaluate it, and get it to the President. I also felt that a joint committee of the Con- gress was the most appropriate instru- ment to accomplish this task and make sure that our Chief Executive receives total and full information based on the data gathered by all intelligence agencies of the Federal Government. ,In 1961 I introduced House Concur- rent Resolution 3 an by now I think there are several doze Members of Con- gress who have introduced similar reso- lutions. I want to ask the gentleman, who is a member of the Committee on Armed Forces, several questions. I am not sat- isfied with the performance of the CIA. I realize that all agencies of Government have problems and do not at all times meet with success in all their efforts. When I was in Europe some years ago, Secretary of State Dulles was there at the Geneva Peace Conference, and a rev- olution took place in Hungary. At the same time we had an arms deal with Russia. Many people in our Government did not seem to be on top of the situation in those instances, and our Ambassador to Hungary was not there at the time. Cuba, South Vietnam, the information that has come out of these countries in some instances, and the developments then, took the country by alarm. I think the need for a joint resolution is more important today than it ever was. I feel that had we had that resolution back in 1954 and a committee like this formed, many of these Instances would not have happened. But the problem involved is that they do not trust the Members of Congress to receive this information. I thought that in 1962 we might have a revision, because the then President, when he was a Member of the other body, had accepted the same resolution. Many others had done it. Now, when they get into the executive branch they feel there is no need to inform the Members of Congress on what is going on to insure that the proper information is collected and sent to the proper agencies of Gov- ernment. Mr. ARENDS. I will try to answer the gentlewoman. There is a great deal of difference of opinion about that matter. The gentlewoman stated there are short- comings in the CIA, which I mentioned in my speech, and that certainly is true. They are human beings. I am talking of the overall picture of the value of the CIA. But in this particular respect you would have a joint committee set up be- tween the Senate and the House, and there would be a certain number of peo- ple on that committee. I do not know how you would go about getting the in- formation disseminated to the Members of Congress, because we will never get to the place where every Member of Congress knows exactly at all times ex- actly what is going on. Then we finally get to the place where I think we have to be like the fellow who when he was asked if he could keep a secret replied, "Don't worry about me keeping a secret, you have to worry about the people I tell it to." Mr. CANNON. Mr. Speaker, supple- menting the statements of the distin- guished gentleman from Illinois [Mr. ARENDS], I must say that I have seldom read an article so misleading and so re- plete with errors as the article to which he refers. The Central Intelligence Agency is not a policymaking agency. It has no con- trol or oversight of military programs. It is purely a factfinding service. I- may also add that after years of close association with the present per- sonnel of the Agency and those who have preceded them, I do not believe there is another group of men more dedicated to duty or of higher integrity or more effec- tive in the discharge of their assign- ments, than those who constitute and have constituted the personnel of this important service. So far as its budget is concerned, it is perhaps more carefully scrutinized than any other of the estimates processed by the committee. Necessarily, its relations to the com- mittee and the Congress are executive. For the same reason it is not at liberty to answer the many irresponsible inuendos carried in the press and con- tributed to periodicals seeking the head- lines. In conclusion, may I express apprecia- tion of the statement just made by the gentleman from Illinois [Mr. ARENDS], and at the same time may I take advan- tage of the opportunity to express my appreciation and warm regard for the CIA, individually and as a whole. PROPOSAL TO ESTABLISH A JOINT COMMITTEE ON THE CIA AND IN- TELLIGENCE ACTIVITIES The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. PRICE). Under previous order of the House, the gentleman from New York [Mr. LINDSAY] is recognized for 30 min- utes. Mrs. KELLY. Mr. Sneaker, would the gentleman be good enough to yield be- fore he procetds evi,~i his main speech? Mr. LINDSAY. I } ield the gentle- woman. Mrs. KELLY. I ama vex sappy, Mr. Speaker, that the genitlem-..n from New York [Mr. LINDSAY] has o,roduced a resolution similar to the on; I have spon- sored. I have asked the entleman to yield at this time in order t, comment on the remarks of the previous ;beaker. We are dealing with a problem ;' Ach relates to intelligence activities tl ai affect our national security-to the c )ordination and utilization of such it _.elligence by various departments and a elicies of the Government. I do not pre { se that the Congress of the United Sta as a whole 11. be kept fully informod on each intelli- gence operation, on eac and every "cloak and dagger" activi ;,). and I am sure there are many Memb(s of the Con- gress who would not want ') know these details. I have never sot t t classified information from the A, ,r~iic Energy Commission, for example. a=id I know there are many others a_n~: ig my col- leagues who have likewise n 'ver sought such information. We Pu cur trust in these matters and re..pect h- judgment of those of our colleagues o sit on the duly constituted corn nitt& _ ? which have jurisdiction and ovi,rsigh over these activities. By the so~.me t )ken, we feel that there should be a du y constituted congressional "watchdog" cmmittee to oversee the affairs of the 1 `entral Intel- ligence Agency and of tl , intelligence community in general. I thank our colleaguue, t ie gentleman from New York [Mr. `BINDS i, for yield- ing to me and I am very a ipreciative of the fact that he has had t titles pub- lished pointing out the end for the establishment of such a con -.r ittee. Mr. LINDSAY. I than the gentle- woman for her statement w)d I should like to associate mysc If wi' 1i her remark when she says that then is not any Member of the Con ress l.o wants to uncover even for themselc 's the secrets of the CIA. Congres.: neec! not know the details of clandestine operations, the names and numbers of the .1 flyers. The gentleman, from Illinois i' us remarks on that point entirely mi., -e : the point. Mr. Speaker, I rerret tot my good ..friend and distingui.hed league, the gentleman from Illirois d d not ask for more time than 20 mini, : as I had hoped he would which we .1 1 have per- mitted me, while he was the well of the House, to submii, to c, estions from the floor, instead or jus eading his prepared text. It is :or ti- 3 reason that I asked for 30 minutes c ny own, in order to permit pro er d oate to take place on the floor of the ?I,+use on the merits or demerits of the cu stion. The question is whether it it desirable to create a Joint Congi ossio: -0 Committee on Foreign Informati?)n are - ntelligence. I hope the gentle man -5 om Illinois will remain on the foor v 11 le I discuss this subject as I will he some com- ments to make about the :) ech he just made and will point. out o eas of dis- agreement and also areas c * rror, in my judgment. The gentleman rei erred to an article that appeared irf Esqu a magazine Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 6170 Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - HOUSE March 296 which he said was written by a "dis- tinguished Member of the Congress" and "one of the best" and "one of my good friends." He did not identify the Mem- ber of Congress. I am the Member of Congress who wrote that article. It was based on an hour-length floor speech that I gave in the well of this House 7 months before the article appeared. It was a condensation and simplification of that floor speech. Most everything that was stated in the article had been stated on the floor of the House by me and by other Members of the Congress. I regretted at the time that I spoke, 7 months ago, that so little attention was paid to it. I did not hear the gentleman from Illinois make any comment with respect to it and I think a debate at that time, as now, would have been a very healthy thing. As the gentlewoman from New York [Mrs. KELLY] pointed out, this proposal for a joint congressional committee on the subject of intelligence community, comparable to the Joint Committee on Atomic Energy, has been sponsored by 19 Members of the House of Representa- tives-14 Democrats and 5 Republicans- which makes it bipartisan. The gentle- woman from New York introduced the proposal long ago. She is a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee and knows a good deal about this subject. Other members who have introduced this reso- lution are the gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. ZABLOCKII; the gentleman from Connecticut [Mr. DADDARIO] ; the gentle- man from Ohio [Mr. MINSHALLI; the gentleman from New York, [Mr. RYAN]; our distinguished colleague, the gentle- man from Florida [Mr. ROGERS], who is on the floor today and who has taken a leadership position on this whole ques- tion; also the gentleman from Florida [Mr. GIBBONS] ; the gentleman from Idaho [Mr. HARDING]; the gentleman from Arizona [Mr. UDALL] ; the gentle- man from Texas [Mr. WRIGHT] ; the gen- tleman from North Carolina [Mr. KoR- NEGAY] ; the gentleman from New Mex- ico [Mr. MONTOYA]; the gentleman from Maryland [Mr. LONG] ; the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. MORSE]; the gentleman from New Mexico [Mr. AN- DERSON]; the gentleman from Pennsyl- vania [Mr. FULTON] ; the gentleman from New Mexico [Mr. MORRIS] ; and the gen- tleman from Connecticut [Mr. SIBAL]. This proposal came to a vote in the Senate, in 1956, and was defeated. It was sponsored by the distinguished Sen- ator from Montana, Mr. MANSFIELD, now the majority leader. Among those who voted for the bill was the then Senator from Massachusetts, Mr. John F. Ken nedy. So I disagree with the implication made by the gentleman from Illinois, who, I am sorry to say, has left the floor and is no longer present, that there is something radical or irresponsible about this proposal and our reasons for being for it. Mr. ROGERS of Florida. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? Mr. LINDSAY. I yield to the gentle- man from Florida. Mr. ROGERS of Florida. I commend the gentleman for his previous speech on the floor and for his action in spon- soring this vitally needed legislation to form a Joint Committee on the CIA and its intelligence activities. He joins a re- sponsible group concerned about this problem. The Hoover Commission first looked into this problem and recommended that a special committee be formed. I do not believe anybody would say that the Hoover Commission was an irresponsible body. This Commission, after great study, considered it a necessary thing to have a watchdog committee on the CIA. Furthermore, former President Tru- man, in an article in 1963, stated that he was the one who really formed this Agency and he now saw the need for it to be looked into. He said: But there are now some searching ques- tions that need to be answered. I, therefore, would like to see the CIA be restored to its original assignment as the intelligence arm of the President, and that whatever else it can properly perform in that special field- and that its operational duties be terminated or properly used elsewhere. He further said: We have grown up as a nation, respected for our free institutions and for our ability to maintain a free and open society. There is something about the way the CIA has been functioning that is casting a shadow over our historic position and I feel that we need to correct it. Furthermore, the Washington Post, in an editorial, commented on the need for this joint committee and the fact that something needed to be done, be- cause of the concern all of the American people have for this Agency acting with- out any bridle at all. I believe it is interesting to note that one could term the Washington Post "a most liberal paper," in its viewpoints, yet it also suggests something should be done. The editorial stated: The proposal for a congressional watchdog committee paralleling the Joint Committee on Atomic Energy is neither novel nor rash. The Hoover Commission strongly urged the creation of such a committee. The chief proponent in Congress in years past was Majority Leader MIKE MANSFIELD, who on three occasions introduced the needed legis- lation. And the idea is alive again in Con- gress, as it should be. No other intelligence agency In the free- world has the scope and nonaccountability enjoyed by the CIA. In Great Britain, the CIA's counterpart is directly answerable to Cabinet officers, who in turn must face the scrutiny of Parliament. In addition, the British separate the intelligence and opera- tional functions, whereas the CIA has re- sponsibility in both areas. This has been at the root of much criticism of the Agency's activities. - Furthermore, it says that Congress has given it a perfunctory supervision. Senator SALTONSTALL has been one of those whom the Post called nominal watchdogs, and Senator SALTONSTALL said: The difficulty in connection with asking questions and obtaining information is that we might obtain information which I person- ally would rather not have. That was his attitude. Of course, ac- cording to Senator SALTONSTALL, they-- have questioned Mr. McCone 'perhaps only once or twice a year. So there is a vital need for the Con- gress to be aware of the actions of this Agency and to establish a joint commit- tee, go that Members can be kept in- formed and know what the Agency is doing. This has been called for widely from many sources, from sources of leadership, and from the very President who founded the Agency. I believe that the gentleman is on most sound ground in his proposal. Certainly he did the public a service in his speech and in sponsoring the leg- islation, and I think also in the very fine article that he wrote. Mr. LINDSAY. I thank the distin- guished gentleman from Florida [Mr. ROGERS]. He is an expert on national security affairs. He has made it his personal duty to see to it that national security affairs are checked by Congress. I thank him for his knowledgeable con- tribution. I wish to point out to the House that at the conclusion of my remarks I will ask unanimous consent to insert in the RECORD the Esquire article I wrote. It hasalready been put in the Appendix of the RECORD by the gentleman from Mas- sachusetts [Mr. MORSE], but I would like to have it reappear at this point because of the attack made on it by the gentle- man from Illinois [Mr. ARENDS]. Also I want to make reference to the floor speech I made upon which the article is based. It appears in the CONGRESSIONAL RECORD for August 15, 1963, beginning at page 14263. I urge Members to read The gentleman from Illinois [Mr. ARENDS] began by attacking the remarks I. made on the floor and in this article with respect to the level of supervision provided by four subcommittees of the Congress in respect to the CIA. In addi- tion to that he protects or defends the present jurisdictional setup and says: I do not believe that the House Foreign Affairs Committee, the Armed Services Com- mittee, or the Joint Committee on Atomic Energy would he likely to relinquish their responsibilities for legislative oversight of the components of those departments which are presently under their jurisdiction. Referring to the intelligence arms of various departments in the Government. I am surprised to find the gentleman defending the status quo on such narrow grounds. Are we so pettythat we have to hold onto these little empires of juris- diction, or are we willing to take a look from time to time at where we stand? The gentlewoman from New York [Mrs. KELLY] is a ranking member of the House Foreign Affairs Committee. The gentleman from Florida, the gentleman from Wisconsin [Mr. ZABLOCKI] is ;a member, and so is the gentleman from Massachusetts [Mr. MORSEL. And yet they want this new proposal. If they were jurisdictionally jealous they might, quite appropriately, argue that the For- eign Affairs Committee or at least one of its subcommittees should be named. This problem has more to do with foreign policy than with the armed services. The distinguished gentleman from Illi- nois seems to take personal offense at my a l i g g e s t f o f i t Y t t e e v e or watch- dog supervision is too low. Really, now, it should be obvious that this is not to Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 1 M6 4 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD -.HOUSE the point. Our point is that this subject requires a nearer full-time attention, high status and coordination. The Joint Committee on Atomic Energy does a good job. It watches matters of great sensi- tivity. But I doubt if the job would be done properly if it were divided up rather haphazardly among four subcommittees of other committees. I want to stress again that what is chiefly needed is a high level committee that will examine the relationship be- tween the CIA and other departments and agencies of Government, intelligence gathering and special operations, person- nel, intelligence evaluation and rela- tionships between departments and agencies abroad. We are not talking about details of operations overseas al- though from time to time that may be included. The CIA has always insisted, and the gentleman from Illinois insists that nothing is withheld from the au- thorized subcommittees. I am sure that is so. But, as I pointed out in the article, apparently the notion exists that if the whole matter is kept on the lowest possi- ble level of congressional concern, secrecy will receive a higher degree of respect. There is no logic in the notion. I should think just the opposite would be true. The other day the press reported that in the Committee on Rules a member of the Rules Committee asked one of the most high-ranking and distinguished members of the Committee on Armed Services, who is also on the CIA Sub- committee, the question, "Do you know how many employees the CIA has here in Washington?" The member an- swered that he did not. That he had never had occasion to ask. I should have thought he would be interested in knowing. If he did, his answer of course would have been "Yes I do." Period. He would not.have been expected to an- swer further, nor would he have in a public session, or even in a private ses- sion with members only present. I would like to recall to you, also, that several other high-ranking Members of the Con- gress have referred to the little time that is spent on this subject. The gentleman from Florida mentioned the Senator from Massachusetts [Mr..SALTONSTALL]. When I made my speech on the floor in August 1963 the second ranking mem- ber on the minority side of the Commit- tee on Armed Services said as follows: Mr. Speaker, I want to associate myself with the gentleman's remarks. I think we should have had a joint committee to moni- tor the CIA when It was first established. I have had a little experience in the matter as a member of the Committee on Armed Services. ?s you may know, we have a sub- committee on the CIA. I was a member of that committee for either 2 or 4 years. We met annually-one time a year, for a period of 2 hours in which we accomplished vir- tually nothing. I think a proposal such as you have made is the answer to it because a part-time subcommittee of the Armed Serv- ices Committee, as I say, which meets for just 2 hours, 1 day a year, accomplishes nothing whatsoever. I want to compliment the gentleman on his proposal. It may be, I am sure, that more time is in fact spent; and it may be that there has been some jacking up. But the fact 'Alsp rei uW4W ktYra,t CIA has become a very Important aspect of our governmental establishment and it can, and sometimes has, played an important role in the ex- ecution of foreign policy. I claim that it has at times shaped it. The great im- portance of the CIA in the governmental establishment is symbolized by the very large, very expensive, white building erected on the banks of the Potomac. It symbolizes the degree to which this agency of Government has been brought to the surface and elevated in the gov- ernmental establishment. Isn't it about time that we elevated our practices a little bit too? I was surprised to hear the gentleman from Illinois IMr. AIENDS], defending the governmental mishmash surround- ing the Bay of Pigs fiasco. He says that the policy lines were clear. Even the people chiefly responsible will admit that this is not true. The gentleman might try asking the Secretary of State. He supports his argument by recalling that the President later took full responsi- bility for the errors of the Bay of Pigs. Of course, he did. The President is responsible for every- thing that happens in Government, or does not. But why did the President find it necessary immediately to appoint the Attorney General of the United States, Mr. Robert Kennedy, and Gen. Maxwell Taylor to find out what went wrong and why he was so badly served by agencies of Government? Their first stop was the CIA. And, remember the little tale never denied by the President, about the battle between the hawks and the doves? Meanwhile the Pentagon was waiting for someone to tell it to fly or not to fly. If there was clear policy here, I would hate to think what kind of shape we would be in if policy became really confused. I made very clear in the speech that I made and in the article that I wrote, that the foreign policymaking organs of Government, just by an absence of clear policy, or by not asserting it when it does exist, can cause other agencies of Gov- ernment to occupy the field. Operations abroad may snowball themselves. The CIA, or the Pentagon for that matter, may be bootstrapped. even unwillingly from a headquarters point of view, into the position of making policy as they go along. The failure of ,the State Depart- ment to give clear direction and to dom- inate can cause this. The CIA is not a policymaking organ and should not be. nor does it want to be. This much is agreed by all. But from time to time t.Im fact of the matter is that there has been no clear policy from Washington. The result has been in at least one instance that operations have snowballed themselves into policy. The gentleman from Illinois defends the mishmash of Vietnam. I think even the rhost careful of the public commen- tators and foreign policy experts, in during the Diem regime have recognized during the Diem regime have reorganized that separate agencies of the U.S. Gov- ernment were at times pulling in separate directions: and, in fact, as you will recall, the President found it neces- sary in the middle of all of this, to reas- sert the supremacy o rhe foreign policy organs of Government over other agen- ales of Government which are no busi- ness making foreign policy. Unless there is clear d -ection from Washington, this kind of 1co is going to happen. And unle .s Co -ess is will- ing to take the respunsibi Ly for being the double check on 'iuest, o of policy, including the question of a tic ' is making policy, the press attention. - ten to the problem is going to get we >-. I do not think it is a healthy thin, t ) have the press of this country inert s.ngly being the only institution that is e ~ watchdog over the difficult problem hit we have 'of trying to separate int 1 gence and intelligence gatherin air operations from the making and shop , i= of foreign policy. Mr. Speaker, I sub lit ti it is time we pulled ourselves togeth Jo the Con- gress and'reorganizeci our: 1 es as nec- essary in order to be t--ue rc e esentatives of the people, and re ;pons lal) ones. Mr. Speaker, I do nest this Lie present machinery is performing say -.s actorily. I don't think it can, bccauE t is struc- turally unsound. Thi has c thing to do with the caliber of the g _n _iemen in- volved, which is of the hit is st. It has everything to do with he st, -n'+ture of the institution. We are char 't with the responsibility in seeing to ,t that that structure is correct aid pr 'par. Mrs. KELLY. Mr. Spe .:( r, will the gentleman yield? Mr. LINDSAY. I ari deli a {'d to yield to the gentlewoman from h ,v= York. Mrs. KELLY. I want -j thank the gentleman from New Yor1-. f)r yielding tome at this point. I want : a loin him in the thoughts which he has j expressed, Would the gentleman as ? a with me that with the speed i,f col o unications that we have today there great need for us to have this evalual i ahead of time, if possible, in of der f ~ nsure that our President receives the c oordinated intelligence from all source i nom which to formulate policy? I do ct want the CIA to carry out policy. A ve want in this joint committee is to 'c sure that the proper department of G ?v'rnment in the executive branch ecei: s for evalu- ation and determinati in th. intelligence in order to make a policy de s-on with as much speed as possille, a A for us as Members of Congress to ho e an agency on which to depend, to ilnsu: is that we can legislate on that pi'licy s its to be sure that we can carry it cut. Mr. Speaker, I have mr examples that I could cite on this poi; However, I do not want to take the ( cious time of the gentleman front Ne York [Mr. LINDSAY] who has been so i.id to yield to me at this point. V Mr. Speaker, I think on if the big items of concern today is 1'a fact that our policy in Vietnam-al -1 as it did without any question, and it ht at this point, at this moment, as w ceess the re- marks of the Secretary of itfense yes- terday before the Con mitt( o on Foreign Affairs in challenging Con; _?ess for not giving the proper amount c C luthoriza- tion and appropriations tc defend our national security-is someh -ig which I find wanting. Mr. LINDSAY. I t'_rank t,, ie gentle- woman for her constructiy -?omments. Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - HOUSE March 76 Mr. Speaker, I only have a few min- Mr. Speaker, as I come to the conclu- utes left and I want to make it once again sion of these remarks r would like to clear that what many of us suggest to read to the Members of the House the the Members of Congress is that a joint last two paragraphs of the article that on foreign intelligence and informa- tion. It should have status, staff and co- ordination. It should look into some of the very important questions, including : First. The relationship between the CIA and the State Department, espe- cially overseas. Second. The relationship between in- telligence gathering on the one hand and special operations on the other hand. Third. The selection and training of intelligence personnel. Fourth. The whole question of intelli- gence evaluation. We should not forget that contrary to the Pentagon, where there are levels of political appointees responsible to the President, in the CIA there is only the Director who is a political appointee, appointed by the President and con- firmed by the Senate. Right here you have lost your double check. There is the possibility of massive bureaucracy, unchecked. The most important aspect of our Military Establishment is its po- litical control by civilians-by the Presi- dent through his civilian appointees, and by the Congress. Unless the Congress is willing to assert its own jurisdiction in the vast area of intelligence work, which includes many things in the operational-sense, then we are abrogating our responsibility. Mr. PUCINSKI. Mr. Speaker, will the gentleman yield? Mr. LINDSAY. I yield to the gentle- man from Illinois. Mr. PUCINSKI. The gentleman is making a very important and significant statement, and I should like to congratu- late him on it. I am particularly im- pressed with his concern over the fact that this agency is. making policy. I would be much more impressed if we in this Congress recognized that this is a joint tendency. All of our executive agencies are setting down policies that the Congress never intended. You will find that in every agency we have in the Government today. They take the laws that we pass here and stretch them to mean what they want these laws to say, and very frequently in the determi- nation of policy set down by the agencies they are, in fact, contrary to the very intent and spirit of the laws passed by the Congress. So it would seem to me that the Con- gress when it reconvenes next year should give serious thought to giving the committee a greater appropriation so that it can develop topnotch staffs of its own in order that the Congress may run its own legislation instead of going to the agencies every time a bill comes up. The gentleman knows very well that a lot of legislation is written by some bureaucrat who does not have to stand up against the voters. We have been 1assing legislation, yet they do what they want with it. I congratulate the gentleman par- ticularly on that aspect of his statement. Mr. LINDSAY. I thank the gentle- Finally, I would observe that such a joint congressional committee would perform a useful, perhaps an indispensable, service for the Intelligence community itself. There has been a tendency to assign the burden of blame to the CIA when some foreign un- dertakings have gone bad or failed alto- gether. Whether the blame has been Jus- tifled-as in some cases it may have been- or whether unjustified, the liability to blame is apparent, and the CIA, unlike other less- inhibited agencies, can do little to defend itself. A joint committee could do much to maintain the record fairly. As the Central Government grows in size and power, and as the Congress, like parlia- ments everywhere, tends to diminish in im- portance, the need for countervailing checks and balances becomes all the more im- portant. The shaping and implementation by secret processes of some part of foreign policy is an extremely serious matter in a free society. It cannot be shrugged off or stamped as an inescapable necessity because of the dangers of the time and the threat from present enemies of democracy. To do so is to deny our history and to gamble dangerously with our future. There are internal as well as external dangers. Free political systems and individual liberties can be swiftly undermined. Confidence in the systems and liberties can be lost even more swiftly. And when that happens to a free society, no foreign policy, however well con- ceived, will protect its highest interest, the continuation of the free system of govern- ment and the society on which it rests. Mr. Speaker, I urge Members of Con- gress and those who read the RECORD at a later time to refer to the remarks that many of us have made on this sub- ject from time to time. I was shocked and disturbed to discover that some of the people who took issue with me for writing an article on this subject had not even taken the trouble to read the article before taking issue. I must say that when the day comes when we cannot debate these things in- telligently and have an exchange of views and ideas about matters of importance, such as this, then we really are in trou- ble. If this happens in the Congress, then perhaps everything that is being said about the Congress-its procedures, its part-time Members, its failure to move, its failure to organize itself proper- ly-is the truth. We Members of Con- gress have an obligation and a responsi- bility to take note of the existing facts. The speech I just heard made by the dis- tinguished gentleman from Illinois [Mr. ARENDS], on this important and compli- cated subject pretends that nothing has happened; that all is well; that nothing is wrong; that the governmental ma- chinery is the same as it was 20 years ago. (Mr. LINDSAY asked end was given permission to revise and extend his re- marks and include the full text of an article he wrote which appeared in the March issue of Esquire magazine, en- titled "An Inquiry Into the Darkness of the Cloak and the Sharpness of the Dag- ger.") Mr. LINDSAY. Mr. Speaker, I -ask unanimous consent that all Members de- siring to do so may insert their remarks at this point in the RECORD, following the remarks I have just made on this subject. The SPEAKER pro tempore (Mr. PRICE). Without objection, it is so or- dered. There was no objection. Mr. ZABLOCKI. Mr. Speaker, I join my colleagues in support of a Joint Con- gressional Committee on Central Intel- ligence. For the past 10 years I have introduced into the Congress resolutions calling for the creation of such a committee. Only yesterday I onceagain wrote the distin- guished chairman of the House Rules Committee, the gentleman from Virginia [Mr. SMITH], asking that hearings be scheduled as soon as possible on my bill, House Congressional Resolution 2, which would. create a "watchdog" committee on intelligence matters. It is my hope that some action may be initiated on this measure during the current session of Congress. There is, in my opinion, a pressing need for the establishment of this com- mittee. There are several reasons which have prompted me to propose the crea- tion of this committee. The foremost reason lies in the tremen- dous inmportance of intelligence activi- ties conducted by the executive branch of our Government. Since the end of World War II and the advent of the nuclear age, our need for adequate and timely intelligence has intensified great- ly. Such intelligence is necessary if we are to survive as a free nation and the leader of the free world. Are we getting the high quality intel- ligence we need in these time of peril? Are our present intelligence operations efficient and effective? There is ample- reason .for doubt. For example, the Hoover Commission, in 1955, reported that there were at least 12 major departments and agencies engaged in intelligence of one form or another. These included the National Security Council, the Central Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, the De- partment of State, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and five agencies within the Defense Department. Since 1955 there have been some orga- nizational changes within the Depart- ment of Defense toward consolidating the intelligence operations of the sepa- rate services within the Defense Intelli- Mr. Speaker, unless we Members of gence Agency. At the same time, how- Congress are willing to assert ourselves ever, intelligence activities seem to be with respect to difficult subjects, unless proliferating as the cold war grows older we are willing to do the check and bal- and more complex. For example, it ance job we are supposed to do under recently has come to my attention that the separation of powers doctrine, then the Air Force Systems Command is oper- we will be justly criticized, and other ating a semiautonomous intelligence- institutions of our society, like the press, gathering agency and wishes to expand will step into the vacuum dhd do it for us. its i,perat1fl" . Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 19164 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD - HOUSE heate Other agencies in this field are the U.S. INTEROCEANIC CANAL PROBLEMS: Panama is in the midst c cana did at d Intelligence Board, the President's For- ADEQUATE STUDY REQUIRES TIME presidential campaign, with es eign Intelligence Advisory Board, and the (Mr. FLOOD (at the request of Mr. vying with one another in isresenting Atomic Energy Commission. LIBONATI) was given permission to ex- programs to the electorate i r driving The multiplicity of agencies operating the United States off the ist rius or, at tend his remarks at this point in the for wringing absolute unjustifi- in the area of intelligence gives rise to RECORD and include extraneous matter.) least, cone s:ions and many questions about the efficiency of Mr. FLOOD. Mr. Speaker, as the re- able , benefits and from the destructive d Std ,r5. our activities. sult of two statements on Panama- Until our Government, by y 'ans of an What is, for example, the relationship United States relations by President adequately constituted and i=tependent between the CIA and the DIA? Are they Johnson, March 16 and 21, 1964, the adequately Interoceanic Canals Coral it Leon, de- working toward a unified end, cooperat- crisis over the Panama Canal has re- velops what our future r:uial policy ing together? Or do their efforts over- ceived increased world attention. there can btu no) is for lili- lap and conflict? In the first, made under dramatic should t be, negotiations with i country, The latter seem to have been true in circumstances before a meeting of the leportan ast of all with Panama wl ,;re we have Vietnam last year where it was reported Organization of American States, the a workable treaty which v Mild permit that the CIA personnel in the country president refused to agree to commit his the modernization and grease of were supporting and assisting the Diem administration in advance to renegotiate capacity of the existing Pan' r!a Canal to regime, while the DIA personnel were the basic 1903 Panama Canal Treaty meet future needs without i new treaty. known to be seeking the overthrow of as a prerequisite for Panama's resume- Mr. Speaker, in view of 71te present President Diem and his family. tion of normal diplomatic relations with deplorable situation on t e isthmus, After examining similar instances of the United States, which President much of which was caused by our own our intelligence-gathering agencies Chiari of Panama severed on January pusillanimous conduct of p+ zlth of either and activities of our intelligence-gather- must be considered in its formulation. nsize or ation. ing agencies by Congress. Such policy, Mr. Speaker, must be deter- We do not ask Panama ? make any pre- The remedy is a Joint Congressional mined before there can be intelligent commitments before we met uid we intend Committee on Central Intelligence. It discussions of diplomatic questions with to make none. of cc:urse, a cannot begin is my earnest hope that the House Rules any country, especially Panama, where, on this work until diploma: 1( relations are Committee will soon report this measure according to an editorial in the March 11 resumed, but the United ? Sates is ready favorably to the floor of the House, so Estrella de Panama, the garbage collet- today, if Panama is ready. P.s of this mo- that the Members of this body may work tion situation, if not soon solved, will ment, I do not believe tha t'h ere has been their will. become a national calamity. Moreover, a genuine meeting of the a inds between Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 6174 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD -'HOUSE March zv the two Presidents of the two countries in- Panama) shares this hope. For, despite to- volved. day's disagreements, the common values and Press reports indicate that the Government interests which unite us are far stronger and of Panama feels that the language which more enduring than the differences which has been under consideration for many days now divide us, commits the United States to a rewriting and to a revision of the 1903 treaty. We have made no such commitment and we would not think of doing so before diplo- matic relations are resumed and unless a fair and satisfactory adjustment is agreed upon. [From the Washington Post, Mar. 22, 19641 L.B.J. STATEMENT ABOUT PANAMA (Following is the statement by President Johnson, which he read personally to news- men yesterday on the dispute with Panama:) The present inability to resolve our differ- ences with Panama is a source of deep regret. Our two countries are not linked by only a single agreement or a single interest. We are bound together in an inter-American system whose objective Is, in the words of the charter, "through mutual understanding and respect by the sovereignty of each, to provide for the betterment of all." ALLIED IN STRUGGLE Under the many treaties and declarations which form the fabric of that system, we have long been allies In the struggle to strengthen democracy and enhance the wel- fare of our people. Our history is witness to this essential unity of Interest and belief. Panama has unhesitatingly come to our side, twice in this century, when we were threat- ened by aggression. On December 7, 1941, Panama declared war on our attackers even before our own Congress had time to act. Since that war, Panama has wholeheartedly joined with us, and our sister Republics, in shaping the agreements and goals of this continent. We have also had a special rela- tionship with Panama, for they have shared with us the benefits, the burdens, and trust of maintaining the Panama Canal as a life- line of defense and a keystone of hemi- spheric prosperity. All free nations are grateful for the effort they have given to this task. As circumstances change, as history shapes new attitudes and expectations, we have reviewed periodically this special rela- tionship. We are well aware that the claims of the Government of Panama, and of the majority of the Panamanian people, do not spring from malice or hatred of America. They are based on a deeply felt sense of the honest and fair needs of Panama. It is, therefore, our obligation as allies and partners to re- view these claims and to meet them, when meeting them is both just and possible. READY TO REVIEW ISSUES We are ready to do this. We are prepared to review every issue which now divides us, and every problem which the Panama Government wishes to raise. We are prepared to do this at any time and any place. As soon as he is Invited by the Govern- ment of Panama, our Ambassador will be on his way. We shall also designate a special representative. He will arrive with full au- thority to discuss every difficulty. He will be charged with the responsibility of seeking a solution which recognizes the fair claims of Panama and protects the interests of all the American nations in the canal. We can- not determine, even before our meeting, what form that solution might best take. But his instructions will not prohibit any solution which is fair, and subject to the appropriate constitutional processes of both our Govern- ments. - I hope that on this basis we can begin to resolve our problems and move ahead to con- front the real enemies of this hemisphere- the enemies of hunger and ignorance, disease and injustice. I know President Chiarl (of [From the Washington Evening Star, Mar. 23, 1964] BID TO PANAMA President Johnson's latest comment on the Panama issue is an energetic attempt to break the logjam which has been blocking settlement of the canal dispute. Mr. Johnson made his move in an "im- promptu" appearance at a conference held late Saturday by George Reedy, who has replaced Pierre Salinger as White House press secretary. The President proclaimed his readiness to name a special representative to seek a solution of the Panama Canal differ- ences-a solution which "recognizes the fair claims of Panama and protects the interests of all the American nations in the canal." He also said, "We are well aware that the claims of the Government of Panama, and of the majority of the Panamanian people, do not spring from malice or hatred of America." The first is a reasonable statement of what has always been the position of the United States, as we understand it. The second, while obviously intended to be conciliatory, ignores certain facts which are clearly spelled out in the record. One of these is that it was the President of Panama who broke off dip- lomatic relations with the United States. A second is that it was Panama's Ambassador to the United Nations who falsely accused our forces In the Canal Zone of "bloody ag- gression" against the people of Panama. The President, however, may be justified at this stage in glossing over the difficulties. He is trying to repair the damage resulting from last week's misunderstanding with the OAS committee and to clear the way for a settlement with Panama. In striving to at- tain such objectives, little harm can result from generous statements-provided always that the essential interests of the United States are not neglected. We do not think that Mr. Johnson means to neglect them. [From the Washington Evening Star, Mar. 23, 1964] THE PASSING SCENE: UNITED STATES STIFFENS ON LATIN AMERICA (By William S. White) The Johnson administration Is moving on every front toward a more realistic approach to Latin America-an approach in which the legitimate interests of the United States will be the final test of every policy. There is not the slightest intention to be tough or arrogant with the Latins. There is not the smallest purpose to be ungener- ous with American aid or unsympathetic to the poverty and the fierce national and cul- tural pride which make the Latins perhaps the world's most sensitive people. There is, however, the firmest of determi- nation here to end a long era of well-inten- tioned but undue submissiveness In Wash- ington to every wind of disapproval of us, however unjustified, which may blow up from south of the border. In a word, the U.S. Government is casting off the moldy hair shirt which for decades It has worn. It is saying goodby to an ab- surdly extreme sense of American guilt. For these same decades this guilt feeling has assumed that the United States is auto- matically and inevitably to blame f or good neighbors forever, saying we are wrong when we are right, and forever remorseful because some President Coolidge of the dim past sent the marines to Nicaragua. All thisis one columnist's interpretation of the direction in which the U.S. Govern- ment is turning under two men whose hu- man connections with and personal under- standing of-the Latins are facts of lifelong experience-President Johnson and Assist- ant Secretary of State Thomas Mann. They know the Latin mind. Mr. Johnson knows it because of 30 years of mutually cordial political association with the Mexi- can-Americans of Texas. Mr. Mann knows it through much service as perhaps the most skilled diplomat of his generation in Latin American affairs. Each man's awareness is intimate and fac- tual; not bookish and theoretical. Each man truly likes the Latins; but neither man is filled with purely academic assumptions that are foreign to human reality. They know, for illustration, that while the Latins naturally like a United States which bows to every demand, the Latins at botton respect only those officials who are "muy hombre" (very manly) and frankly prepared to uphold their own rights. This must be done with grace and good humor; but also with dignity and resolution. COMMUNIST CUBA Thus, this country now sees honest Amer- ican efforts to settle difficulties like that in the Panama Canal Zone with full respect for the right and feelings of the Panamanians- but also with full insistence on the right and feelings of the United States of America. Thus, this country will later see powerful and tireless Washington efforts to do more than talk about the menace posed by Castro Cuba. This Government will expect its Latin friends to realize that we are attempting to excise the cancer of communism in Cuba not so much for our own sake as for theirs. And this Government will expect the true co- operation of those it is trying so hard to save. The round sum of the developing policy of the United States toward Latin America might be thus expressed: Mr. Johnson did not come to the Presidency to preside over liquidation of free governments in this hemisphere to suit the world's Fidel Castros, nor to waive every American interest in the doctrinaire notion that the United States is always wrong. Mr. Mann did not undertake perhaps the toughest job in American diplomacy simply to solicit hurrahs from those who still think that every criticism of the United States- and every thrust at American business abroad-must be met with instant American OUTSTANDING FEDERAL ADMINIS- TRATOR FOR 1963 (Mr. RYAN of Michigan (at the re- quest of Mr. LIBONAII) was given per- mission to extend his remarks at this point in the RECORD and include extrane- ous matter.) Mr. RYAN of Michigan. Mr. Speaker, it is my pleasure to announce to this honorable body that one of my constitu- ents, Dr. O. C. Williams, was named "Outstanding Federal Administrator for 1963." every Presentation of the plaque and cer- difficulty in the Western Hemisphere simply tificate, which is awarded by the Fed- because half a lifetime ago this country sometimes practiced "gunboat diplomacy" in eral Business Association of Detroit, will Latin America. be made on April 2. GOOD NEIGHBORS Dr. Williams is the medical officer in We intend to be good neighbors in the true charge at the U.S. Public Health Service and adult d lf an se -respecting sense. ,_'eYp,doQS>lj, not Intend, however, to be simply Uncle Sap of the University o Kansas Medical Approved For Release 2005/06/29 : CIA-RDP71 B00364R000600130019-8 . V Approved For CONGRESSIONAL 29 CIA-R P7HOUSE4R000600130019-8 6199 i9 to expansion of antimissile defense. the direct result of a new professional ARENDS], my friend, delivi ed his re- But civil defense is valuable and neces- competence in the management and marks in defense of CIA 1 listened sary in its own right. Civil defense is a leadership of civil defense. This change with great interest to Ili"s arvsis of the far more economical lifesaving measure has been brought about by Secretary Michal Goleniewski cr+se, h charge of than equivalent dollar additions to Pittman and the able staff which he has irresponsible journalism. pi- ' d against strategic retaliatory or active defense assembled. the New York Journal Amf i?-an for its systems. Civil defense, that much I want to say a word about Steuart series of articles on this c iso, and his scorned and derided activity, is a good Pittman, whom I have come to know well statement that the CIA sub,