DCI AND DDCI MEETING WITH SENATOR RICHARD RUSSELL 19 MARCH 1962

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP90-00610R000200080020-6
• Release Decision: RIFPUB
• Original Classification: S
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• Document Creation Date: December 19, 2016
• Document Release Date: October 11, 2006
• Sequence Number: 20
• Publication Date: March 20, 1962
• Content Type: MFR

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20 March 1962
MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
SUBJECT: DCI and DDCI Meeting with Senator Richard Rue cell -
19 March 1962
1. The Director, accompanied by General Carter and John S.
Warner, met with Senator Russell with Bill Darden present for
approximately 45 minutes beginning at 4:30 on 19 March. The basic
purpose was to introduce General Carter to Senator Russell. There I
was the usual exchange of pleasantries with Senator Russell indicating
he thought the Committee would be able to have the confirmation
hearing on the 22nd at 10:30 and he expected it to be a pro forma
hearing.
2. The Director then discussed with Senator Russell the
substance of the conversations which came at the conclusion of the
Senate Foreign Relations hearing on 6 March which dealt with the
Powers matter. The DCI pointed out that Senator Fulbright had
raised the basic problem of the Foreign Relations Committee being
informed concerning CIA activities since in many ways these influenced
and affected the conduct of foreign affairs. Senator Fuibright discussed
the McCarthy resolution which was before the Committee which was
designed to establish a Joint Committee on Intelligence. Fulbright
made passing reference to the fate of the previous resolution on this
subject by Senator Mansfield in 1956. The Director stated he believed
that the Chairman was stating a legitimate cause of concern and
suggested that the establishment of a Joint Committee would compound
the problem rather than solve it. He pointed out that probably, as in
the case of the Joint Committee on Atomic Energy, such a Joint
Committee would hold unto itself information concerning intelligence
matters and, therefore, the Foreign Relations Committee would
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certainly not receive the information which it thought it should recoivo.
..,.Senator Lausche joined in this discussion pointing out that he' certainly
could not got any information on atomic energy from the Joint
Committee.
3. The Director then advised Senator Russell that he had
suggested to Senator Fulbright some informal arrangement whereby
one or two members of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee could!
sit with the CIA Subcormnitteo of Senate Armed Services thus gaining }
some knowledge. Mr. McCone indicated he had talked this problem
over with the President. Senator Russell stated that he had been
coping with this problem for a lot many more years than -Mr. McCone.
He stated he had no personal objection to Senator Fulbright knowing
about these matters but such an informal solution did raise other
problems. He was very candid in his assessment of what Republican
member could possibly sit. He further pointed out that in the future
no one could foresee who from the Foreign Relations Committee
might sit in this relationship with the Armed Services Subcommittee.
4. Senator Russell made it absolutely clear that he was strong y
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opposed to the Joint Committee concept and all that this would imply
including the probability of a large staff. The Senator stated that
clearly there were enough votes to defeat a Joint Committee resolution
particularly when one took into account the Senate Appropriations
Committee with its large membership (22 or 23 members). He
indicated that if the Foreign Relations Committee wore to report out
McCarthy's resolution he could take steps to have it referred back
to Armed Services for further consideration (which presumably would
mean no action). Senator Russell stated he would talk with Senator
Fulbright indicating that Mr. McConne had raised this subject with
him, that is the subject which had been discussed at the Foreign
Relations Committee meeting. He made it clear, however, that he
was not going to propose any solution and it was equally clear that he
Relations sitting with the CIA-Subcommittee. +Mr.~ McCono indicated
that ho wish
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e Senator would talk with Fuibright and agreed that
no specific action should be proposed and that this matter should be
given very careful consideration.
5. Senator Russell had reviewed some of the actions of the
Subcommittee in the past including the fact that no reference to
meetings was made in the RECORD but that this had been changed.
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Mr. Warner at this point raised the question with the Chairman of
whether or not it would bo desirable to have the Committee issue a
report concerning the Agency for the 87th Congress. Senator
Russell indicated this had not been done, of course. in the past but
that he thought under the circumstances it would be a good idea.
Senator Russell then requested Mr. Warner to draft such a report
suggesting that he work with Bill Darden looking toward a final
draft. The Senator indicated it would be difficult to say too much
in such a report and I added that we lawyers were good at that which
caused a few smiles.
6. Senator Russell offered his best wishes for success to
General Carter commenting on the complexity of the Agency's
activities and the challenging job which General Carter would have.
JOHN S. WARNER
Legislative Counsel
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