MINUTES TWO HUNDRED AND TWELFTH MEETING 24 MAY 78

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DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE
Security Committee
SECOM-M-212
30 May 1978
Minutes
Two Hundred and Twelfth Meeting
Wednesday, 24 May 1978, 1000 Hours
Room 4E64, Langley Headquarters Building
Robert W. Gambino
Chairman
Presiding
MEMBERS PRESENT
Mr. David Ryan, Federal Bureau of Investigation
Mr. Maynard Anderson, Department of the Navy
Mr. Merrill T. Kelly, Department of the Army
Col. Russell T. Newman, Department of the Air Force
ALTERNATES PRESENT
Central Intelligence Agency
National Security Agency
Mr. Martin J. Dowd, Department of Energy
Mr. David Humphrey, Department of Treasury
Defense Intelligence Agency
Mr. Richard L. Welch, Department of the Navy
Maj. Henry R. Koch, Department of the Air Force
ALSO PRESENT
Central Intelligence Agency
Executive Secretary, R&D Subcommittee
Chairman, Computer Security Subcommittee
Central Intelligence Agency
]Central Intelligence Agency
entral Intelligence Agency
National Security Agency
r.. Dona d Sti ers, De artment of State
Defense Intelligence Agency
xecutive Secretary, DCI Security Committee
F DCI Security Committee
*Present far part of meeting.
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Special Briefing
CIA, briefed the members on current
estimated costs of the 4C System. He identified the members-of his
requirements team, which had been assembled by the CIA/Director of
Security to do a cost analysis to support an FY 1980 program submission
to fund the 4C System. said that DCI`s requirements for
the system were that it contain accurate, current, and complete
data on the numbers, types, and distribution of compartmented access
approvals, and (2) be able to report on their status at any given time.
He noted that the system is technically feasible, and that it will
satisfy Community needs, replacing existing systems except for some
of the functions performed by current DIA and NSA systems (e.g., badge
and collateral clearance controls). said that two large 25X1
minicomputers for load sharing and backup would be needed, and that
software and programming, not now available, would be required to meet
unique system requirements. He stated that operation of the 4C System
should not require any significant increase in personnel costs over
those now dedicated to present systems. He said approximately 25X1
people would be needed to run the central system. estimated 25X1
that about thirty months would be needed frotr.time of decision on the
system to attain operational capability in-the'Washin ton-area. Pro-
jected total cost for a Washington-area 4C System is Of 25X1
this, for hardware remote terminals, 25X1
for software, and communications. The remainder would be
for personal services and facility preparation. He estimated annual
recurring non-personnel costs at These projections were 25X1
tentative because all Community inputs had not yet been received.
Following the briefing,. the Chairman asked the members
if their agencies were still in favor of the 4C System.
DIA, and Mr. Kelly, Army, stated their support, but noted that the 4C
System would not be a panacea. Mr. Stigers, State, said they were
concerned that the system would not necessarily permit a check on all
of the accesses of a person from another agency. The Chairman stated
that the security of very closely held programs required that access to
records identifying them be suppressed in the case of those not involved.
Mr. Anderson, Navy, said he believed the 4C System would save much time
and expense. No members stated opposition to the system. Mr. Gambino
asked that all outstanding cost and data inputs be submitted as soon as
possible.
Preliminary Comments
a. 0 The Chairman noted that all members had concurred in
the draft Harassments and Provocations Study. He asked that Committee
members provide the SECOM Staff with their distribution requirements as
soon as possible to help meet the mid-June printing date.
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and the Department of Justice uy U1jr1 mhad stated an interest in possible parti-
cipation on DCI Committees. He said that informational material on
SECOM duties was sent to Justice to aid it in clarifying their interests
in SECOM participation. Commerce will be provided the same material.
C. The Chairman said the DCI had asked that a zero-based
approach be taken t
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ermine needs for compartmented clearances.
Mr. Gambino noted that Lawrence Livermore Laboratory was the first
contractor being surveyed, and that the results would serve as a guide
to future action. The Office of Data Processing was the first element
to be so examined within CIA.
d. Copies of a DCI organizational chart showing changes
resulting from Executive Order 12036 were distributed to Committee
members for their information. Mr. Gambino noted that Mr. Blake, CIA
Deputy Director for Administration, had a Community role as Deputy to
the DCI for Support.
e. I The Chairman advised the Committee of a recent meeting
with the CI to discuss several proposed DCIDs on security issues.
Mr. Gambino said the NFIB would discuss DCIDs previously circulated
for formal comment, and that the proposed DCID on comp-artmentation would
be sent to NFIB members for concurrence or comment. With regard to the
proposed DCID on duty and travel restrictions, Mr. Gambino said he had
suggested that it include a reference to DCI authority to ban travel of
persons with sensitive access to areas involved in war or other crisis
situations.
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ITEM 1: of Minutes
The minutes of the 26 A
ril 1978
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meeting, distributed in
SECOM-M-211, were approved with the following change in the first
sentence of Item 4.b: "Mr. Stigers, State, stated concern that a body
other than the Security Committee had issued the security procedures
for the Imagery Transmission System - Washington."
ITEM 2: Reports of Subcommittee and Working Group Chairmen
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R&D Subcommittee. 0 Executive Secretary, summarized 25X1
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r recent activity, including R&D inquiries about motor vehicle armor
protection. I
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c. Compartmentation Subcommittee. Colonel Newman, Chairman,
provided responses to
previous subcommittee tasking to review (1) the
list of countries where duty and travel restrictions apply, and (2) the
attachment to DCID 1/7 concerning release of compartmented data to
contractors. Copies of these responses and the NSA dissent on DCID 1/7
are attached for future action by the Committee. Colonel Newman advised
that'- a subcommittee expects to complete their task to verify records
listing Congressional staff compartmented accesses by June.
d. I I Computer Security Subcommit e f
various projects, and noted that Defenseummawaszedworkinubcomg pros a
to enhance industry's understanding of and support for good securityam
measures for ADP equipment.
e. [::] Unauthorized Disclosures Workin Group.
Chairman, provided members a summary report on leaks since the last
Committee meetin
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No reports due to absence of hairmen.
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NSA advised of a change in chairman to replace
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and of plans to call a meeting in the near future
to get the group moving again. Comments from Committee members showed
an interest in maintaining the working group.
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h. II Mr. Gambino advised the members of the following changes
in the subcommittee :
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chairmen to remain. He noted that the work of the Compartmentation
Subcommittee would be substantially increased if the proposed compart-
mentation DCID is approved. He said that CIA now supported it. 1 :1
asked members to review the Committee's charter (DCID 1/11), and consider
how we should respond to the specific tasks therein.
ITEM 3: Foreign Disclosure Working Group Report
0 Mr. Anderson, Navy, briefed the Committee on the Foreign
Disclosure Working Group Report. He said the group had agreed that
three main problems needed to be addressed in this area: (1) the lack
of uniform policy on compartmented disclosure, (2) the lack of clear
guidance on what may be disclosed to foreign visitors as opposed to
foreign governments, and (3) the inability to readily identify what
compartmented data has been disclosed. Mr. Anderson noted that the
NSA dissent stated that adequate guidance on SIGINT disclosure was
provided He recommended that
the report's findings and conclusions be staffed by the Chairman
with COMIREX and the SIGINT Committee, with a view towards determining
if agreement can be reached that a problem exists, and (2) referred to
the NFIB for a position. noted that existing systems had
not permitted DIA to tell their Director, prior to a foreign visit, what
compartmented data had been disclosed to the countries involved.
Mr. Kelly, Army, questioned whether a system to record what had been
disclosed would really do any more than reinforce general appreciations
of the extent of disclosure. Mr. Anderson said he believed such a system
would be useful, and would be helpful in better coordinating R&D and
tactical matters. Mr. Gambino said he thought the best approach would be
to obtain COMIREX and SIGINT Committee comments, and then refer the issue
to the DCI for decision as to whether it should be further explored.
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ITEM 4: Air Force Request on Contractor Status
Colonel Newman distributed and briefly summarized a memo-
randum providing answers to the questions raised at the 8 February 1978
Committee meeting on this request. Mr. Gambino was Informed that the
contractor involved was a private firm and was supported by the Air
Force. I noted that the major problem seemed to be delays in
acting on requests to authorize release to the contractor. He suggested
that concentration on getting timely action would relieve the situation.
He said he had discussed this matter with the COMIREX staff, and found that
they were unwilling to approve a blanket release policy. Representatives
of the following agencies supported the Air Force request: DIA, CIA,
Navy, Energy, State, and Treasury. said NSA had problems
with the request, and the Chairman asked o provide details on their
concern.
ITEM 6: New Business
a. 0 Mr. Kelly offered to host a Committee meeting in September
to hear a briefing on Army counterintelligence programs in the interest of
helping Committee members focus on tasks assigned to the SECOM. Mr. Ryan
said the FBI could present a briefing on unauthorized disclosure matters
for a future Committee meeting.
b. I uinformed the members of a study on damage
assessment procedures being done by a CIA contractor with Community
cooperation.
ITEM 7: Next Meeting
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The Chairman scheduled the next Committee meeting for 14 June
1978 in Room 7D32, Langley Headquarters Building.
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