MINUTES OF MEETING HELD IN DIRECTOR S CONFERENCE ROOM, ADMIN BUILDING CIA 0N 17 NOVEMBER 1953

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• Publication Date: November 17, 1953
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INTELLIGENCE ADVISORY COMMITTEE
Minutes of Meeting Held in Director's
Conference Room, Administration Building
Central Intelligence Agency, on 17 November 1953
Director of Central Intelligence
Allen W. Dulles
Presiding
Mr. W. Park Armstrong, Special Assistant for Intelligence,
Department of State
Major General Arthur G. Trudeau, Assistant Chief of
Staff, G-2, Department of the Army
Rear Admiral Carl F. Espe, Director of Naval Intelligence,
Department of the Navy
Major General John A. Samford, Director of Intelligence,
Headquarters, United States Air Force
Colonel Samuel M. Lansing, acting for Deputy Director for
Intelligence, The Joint Staff
Dr. Charles H. Reichardt, Atomic Energy Commission
Representative to the IAC
Mr. Victor Keay, acting for Assistant to the Director,
Federal Bureau of Investigation
ALSO PRESENT
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* Mr. Robert M. Macy, Bureau of the Budget
* Mr? Hart Perry, Bureau of the Budget
Mr. Lyman Hamilton, Bureau of the Budget
Lt. Gen. Charles P. Cabell, Central Intelligence Agency
Mr. Robert Amory, Jr., Central Intelligence Agency
Colonel Lawrence White, Central Intelligence Agency
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Dr. Sherman Kent, Central Intelligence Agency
Dr. H. Marshall Chadwell, Central Intelligence Agency
Mr. James Q. Reber, Central Intelligence Agency
* Part of Meeting
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Mr. John F. Killea, Department of State
Colonel George R. Gretster, Department of the Army
Lt. Colonel T. C. Anderson, Department of the Army
Lt. Colonel Henry C. Hatchell, Department of the Army
Captain Allan L. Reed, USN, Department of the Navy
Captain C. J. Stuart, USN, Department of the Navy
Colonel Donald H. Ainsworth, United States Air Force
Lt. Colonel Thos. C. McGuire, United States Air Force
Captain E. T. Layton, USN, The Joint Staff
Colonel John G. Ondrick, The Joint Staff
* Part of Meeting.
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Secretary
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Meeting with Representatives
of the Bureau of the Budget
1. Action: Agreed: (1) that an ad hoc committee consisting
of agency representatives who have participated in the semi-annual
NSC Status Reports, and such other representatives as the agencies
desire, would attempt to develop a classification system, or systems,
which would be useful in the review or survey of intelligence budgets
which the Bureau intends to undertake; /It was understood that the
Bureau's survey would exclude internal security programs. / (2) that
the IAC members would study Mr, Macy's remarks and printed resume
and discuss other aspects of the problem at the next IAC meeting.
2. Discussion: Mr. Macy, Chief of the Bureau of the Budget's
International Division, explained that because, of the growing interest
of Congressional committees in the expenditure of funds for intelli-
gence activities and the need to provide advice to the President on the
balance among such activities and their relation to other national
security programs, the Bureau was undertaking a budgetary survey
of intelligence programs. This survey, he noted, would deal in
lump sums rather than in detail and would naturally have to take into
account the sensitivity of some aspects of intelligence. Mr. Macy
emphasized the need for expert guidance and assistance from the
intelligence chiefs in order that this survey may be done properly and
most usefully. He believed that the results might be quite useful to
the intelligence agencies, as well as to Mr. Dodge, the President and
the NSC. He appreciated, he said, the opportunity to discuss this
matter with the LAC, whose product he had become acquainted with in
the Policy Planning Board and for whose past activities in integrating
the intelligence program of the government he had a great respect.
3. He explained the relation of his responsibilities to those in
the Bureau charged with surveying military programs, the intelli-
gence aspects of which are to be handled by his Division.
4. Mr. Macy felt that whereas it would be a mistake for
Congress to expect the DCI to defend the agencies' individual budgets,
nevertheless Congress should be able to receive answers to over-all
questions on such matters as gaps, priorities, and duplication. It
was brought out by discussion, and there seemed to be general
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agreement, that that duplication which is unprofitable is truly repre-
hensible, but that some duplication may be both warranted and
desirable, particularly in terms of the problem of the relationship
of intelligence to cpmmand.
5. Mr. Armstrong and General Samford commented on the
difficulties in identifying the intelligence quotient of such activities
as the Foreign Service or aerial reconnaissance. It was recognized
that much of the work of intelligence is far from routine and is sub-
ject to constant change. General Samford felt that there was a risk
that oversimplified conclusions may be drawn from such a survey,
and these, once made, might become binding if not left to the agencies
to adopt at their option.
Approval of Minutes
(IAC-M-128, 10 November)
6. Action: Approved.
7. Action: Disapproved.
First Triennial Progress
Report of the Watch
Committee (IAC-D-6/2)
8. Action: Noted and referred to the special committee
formed to review the watch process (IAC-M-124, Items 3 and 4).
9. Discussion: In response to Mr. Armstrong's inquiry as
to the effect of IAC "noting", it was pointed out that the submission
to the IAC of IAC subcommittee reports, or IAC progress reports,
is intended to provide systematically, to the chiefs of intelligence,
information regarding cooperative activities as well as an opportunity
for the chiefs to criticize the way things are going and to take stock
of whether changes should be made. Normally, reports from IAC
subcommittees submitted to the IAC for noting have initially
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received the concurrence of the agencies' subcommittee representa-
tives. While IAC concurrence is not requested, it is appropriate
for any member to raise objection to any portions of'the reports
which affect his responsibilities or to question any other portions.
Matters for NSC Briefing
10. Discussion: The Director indicated that Indonesia would
be the principal subject of his briefing. Mr. Armstrong mentioned
a current report from Karachi; General Trudeau referred to
information on Singapore.
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