TRANSCRIPT REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-78

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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-78
1. (S/NOFORN) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request for information on a target of interest to USI.
2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided
as raw intelligence data, and, as such, have not been subjected to any inter-
mediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of the
information provided is the responsibility of the requestor.
3. (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document
Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing infor-
mation provided the remote viewer. At?TAB'C are, analyst comments.
5. (S/NOFORN) This session is a follow-on to Session D-76 and is run con-
currently with Session D-79.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-78
#14: This will be a remote viewing session for 10 October 1980.
Mission time is 1400 hours.
All right, #10.5, the time is now 1400 hours. Your mission
for this afternoon is to focus on The loca-
tion is The time is 9:30 a.m.
local time today. I want you to locate
9:30 a.m. When you have acquired
please let me know. Relax. Relax, concentrate. Focus on
SG1A
#10.5: I'm getting....
#14: Okay. Now I want you to focus on and ask yourself S G1A
this question. Is - concerned in any way with a
radio?
(Mumbling)...I don't know, I been all over the place...
Hit everything that I...(mumbling)...had a large brownstone,
fieldstone, quaint old, two-story building with a walk
with bushes on the end. I had to find the (mumbling).
I had a, what appeared ` to: ba.a...'.thickly tiled steps, like
on a...front of a house, or maybe step-ups off a sidewalk.
Red tile with cement in between 'em. I had a hand moving
a switch, which appeared to be a chrome, one inch long, a
little knob on it like a four way guidance thing. Big
switch goes up, down sideways and can revolve around, like
you would use in playing a table top game of some kind.
And then I'm looking....I'm getting nothing, hitting nothing,
hitting nothing. Then out of the middle of nowhere I'm in the
ocean and there's a...a larger boat, looked like a trans-
eh, like a steamship, like a troller. And it's somewhere
in the ocean.
So that's all I got so far, but now let me...now that I have
cleared those away let me go to work.
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#10.5: I'm getting nothin'.
+20 #14: Okay, I want you, want you now to focus on m I want SG1A
you to move back to a point in time when you find him using
a clipboard. I want you to move back to a point in time
where he is using a clipboard. When you are there tell me
what is on this clipboard.
#10.5: Square is drawn on a white piece of paper...on the upper
right hand side. It's as though the square is made of...ss...
straight arrows... pointing in a clockwise direction. I
also see, uh...walking...and writing notes, making notes,
walking like a step or two at a time, as though he was...
walking along something, looking at a thing and then annota-
ting it, and then taking another step, looking at it.
It's a panel, it's a wall panel of some kind. It's...
something like...it's a funny thing, it's....like something
with...bus bars. That thing is like that, it's not...and
like meters, and it's in, it's over his head, but he's...
looking at it on a...eye level...... It's a wall panel...
He marks his annotations.; on the left side of the paper,
and this thing with the arrows is on the right side of the
paper.
#14: Okay, #10.5, I want you now to tell me what- does SG1A
with this information on his clipboard. Follow him through
and tell me what he does with this info.
#10.5: He is in this place. Twice now I have seen him walk on...
and.walk up a catwalk, staircase to a catwalk...in this
place...... He rolls it from the bottom up......not a tight
roll, half inch roll .............
. +25 #14: Does - manipulate the information in any way?
#10.5: No, I'm not seeing anything. He rolls this up and places it
in a tube....like a tube to hold it in (mumbling) big around
as a broom handle.
#14: All right, #10.5, at this time I'm going to change your focus
a little. I want you to go back to the plant that you
described in your previous session.
+32 #10.5: That's where I am.
#14: Okay, I want you to ask-
#10.5: I already thought that that was where I was.
SG1A
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#14: I want you now to ask yourself "what is the function of
this plant?".
#10.5: (Mumbling) ................................
Three times I've exited the plant, and three times I have
a characteristically (mumble) waste cooling tower, waist
high at the top. And the....it's generating... it's a
generating plant, I think. Large cooling towers...at least
one tower ...................... . ....
He doesn't sneak around, though, he's got free access here.
#14: Okay.
#10.5: Matter of fact he is...in his actions and everything.....
#14: I want you now to move to the major operational portion of
this plant, the heart of this plant, and describe your
impressions.
#10.5: It has, uh, a large, uh...spheres in it... It's where he
was in the...on the left side on the top of the catwalk.
There are maybe 15 foot diameter spheres over there...there.
Possibly four in a row by maybe three rows. These things
look white, like should have gasses in them. They're like
painted clinical. white enamel. And I have a feeling they're
all interconnected...gasses in 'em. (Mumbling) condensation
from one to another to another.
Across from this layout is the panelboard where he was and
the catwalk that he went up. You're at the top of the cat-
walk you look down on this ............. (mumbling).... fit to
go to the final product. If I could see the final product
...coming out. It's this sort of funny copper greenish
stuff...came out in a, uh, on a conveyor belt like thing,
on a, uh, in a, uh, glass vial. It was like in, oh, I don't
know, like rough sphere of maybe...like pebbles of maybe
buckshot size of a little smaller, double 00 buckshot,
smaller than a marble.
It's like this tarnished copper green in a glass vial. And
there's only a little bit in each one, it seems like there's
only maybe...oh, maybe 10 centimeters of each one...10
cubic centimeters. It's sort of in a loose pile...that they
just, like they been dropped down into this vial, and then
allowed to stay in the bottom....
#14:
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#14: All right, #10.5, I want you to maintain your focus, and
keep working on that question while I turn the tape.
All right, #10.5, the tape is back on. Relax, take your
time.
PAUSE
#10.5: My......... I want...my, uh...
PAUSE
#10.5: My biggest concern is whether the war will end or not...
whether the war will end. There's something basically...
and thoroughly confusing about this session.
#14: Tell me the raw data that gives you that impression.
#10.5: I'm not getting anything. I'm zeroed out, something doesn't
fit. Something is all screwed up. I'm not getting much
of anything.....I just don't know what the story is. I can
figure it out and I can't get any data. It's very sparse.
I'm like wandering all over the universe looking for answers
and I'm not staying in one place.
#14: Okay, that's okay. To five you something to focus on, some-
thing tangible, I want you now to go back to the plant, and
feel free to search about this plant, describing anything
that catches your eye.
#10.5: I think it's got two stacks with a fence
out in the middle of nowhere. Seems to be
somewhere, sorta isolated. Two (mumbling)
lot of pipes and tubes and cranks and dial
inner sections of pipes, and...all that ki
keep seeing smoke and steam rising up...
round it, it
out in the country
waste stacks. A
, I mean, uh...
d of stuff. I
Here and there, everywhere, one place I to k, places I,
you know, get the feeling there's steam be ng released,
spurting out here and spurting out there, ifferent places....
Uh, I just can't understand it. It's like he's legal here
or he's so clever he can get in and out of here, he doesn't
have to worry about a damn thing at all, it's like he works
here.
#14: Okay, that' very good. Describe-
#10.5: I mean, it's just, he doesn't have to worr about a thing.
#14: Describe some of the other people, the eng'neers that are
working at this plant.
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#10.5: I see, uh, a bald headed guy in a white lab coat... He's
very, uh, experimentalist type...has hair right around the
ear, but the top of his head is bald. Looks like he's about
mid fifties to sixties ...to sixty. It's something funny about
him, he's... not... he's funny, he's like he's, uh, he's
different, he's, uh, different nationality, like he's...
oh, god, I don't know. Like he's "Paki" or...ss...Semetic
but not Sematic, he's like he's...Hindu, or, but he's not,
doesn't wear a turban, he's, like he's funny, he's just
pale, almost a high yellow... complexion, pale, mulatto, almost.
But he's a smart guy, I mean, he's not like he's pushin' a
broom, he's...who else we got here?
#14: Before we move on, this individual you were describing- what's
his job, or what is his-
#10.5: He is an observer. He's like a trainee. But he participates,
but he's a trainee. He's learning as well, and so he's sort
of out of the machanics of it, but he looks very closely and
he sort of helps here and there, but he's like an overseer,
but he's there for two purposes, to oversee and to maybe
learn a little about it too.
#14: What's his expertise?
#10.5: Okay. What's his expertise?... I see him standing over
beakers with boiling stuff and bunson burner flames and
stuff like that. I presume he's a chemist...
#14: Okay, #10.5, very, very good. I want you to feel free, if
you like, to move on and describe any other important
engineering type people at this location.
#10.5: See men wearing blue coveralls... having black rubber gloves
on their hands,.and these coveralls. It's a weird combin-
ation, their coveralls are deep blue, they're not special,
but they're wearing black gloves and boots, rubber gloves
and boots. But they don't wear anything on their bodies,
they observe pressure dials and watch for safety things,
make sure everything goes the way it should be.
#14: All right, #10.5.
#10.5: But they're technical people, they're not flunkies, they're
technical people too.
#14: I have one final question. I want you to go to the final
product of this plant as it comes off of the line, the final
product, and answer me this one question. Can you just pick
this product up and walk away with it?
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#10.5: No... You could...maybe...
#14: Describe what the problems are.
#10.5: There is a guard desk... somewhere down the hall...and you
would not want to walk through there carrying the beaker.
You would not want to do that. Now let me look around there.
When I saw the guards I became fearful, while I was carrying
this...but I don't real-...I.know there is, there is some-
thing here, there is some electrical apparatus here to assist
the guards. But it's a nominal security thing, because
nobody'd be dumb enough to take any out anyway. I'm be-
ginning to think that this is in some sort of a radioactive
stuff. Shoot, nobody would wanna sneak out anyway. It'd
do 'em in anyway, but they have the guards there to try to-
just a token reminder that thou shalt not walk off with this
stuff. But there's nobody inside, which is not, you know,
smart enough to know not to do that anyway. It's like....
#14: What is it that...that the raw impressions that tell you
that this stuff is radioactive?
#10.5: Well, it's... it's two things, like I see these things on a,
when they come to the end of the conveyor thing, they're not
touched, nobody touches 'em. They're, I mean, the part that
I saw has forked thing that pickes up these beakers and moves
them away behind this wall...I don't know. I mean, there
ain't no guy there that puts these beakers in the...a card-
board box for shipment, that's for sure. These things go
somewhere else. And there's only a little bit, it's like
a residue in the bottom of this glass. It's, it's just a
little pile. It's not like the beaker is filled to the brim,
it's like it's a premeasured amount in each beaker, which
is about one sixth of the volume of the beaker. I don't
know.
#14: All right, #10.5. I have no further questions of you. Is
there anything else you can add?
#14: All right, at this time, #10.5, I want you to come back to
this room, present time. It's now 10 after 3. I want you
to take a deep breath, stretch your arms...stretch your arms,
.stretch your legs.
The first requirement for drawing that we have is of the
clipboard.
#10.5: Oh, shit. You want the clipboard too? Or can I just draw it
on the piece of paper?
#14: Y-you can, what we're interested in is what he was doing on
the paper on the clipboard.
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#10.5: Okay. Sketch number 1 will be just that, precisely. Have
I made myself clear? And have you made yourself clear?
I'm going to draw on sketch 1 what was on the board, not
the board and what was on it.
#14: Okay.
#10.5: Is that all right?
#14: That's good. Right.
#10.5: Okay......I can't put anything on sketch 1 now, 'cause it
has to be just what was on it, right?
#14: Yeah.
#10.5: So I'll just have to start over again, 'cause I was gonna
write an explanation. This is unusual. There we go. Sorry
about that, #14.
#14: That's all right.
#10.5: I screwed up... Okay. And then, now that was, this two
arrows were on the upper right hand page. And down, I cannot
reproduce what was written on the left hand margin. But
this is inhere; he was making notes.
#14: Okay, make some, make some squiggly lines there like, uh-
#10.5: Yes. These were like...numbers and...num, they were numbers,
okay? So I will write some like exemplary num, numbers.
#14: Okay. That'd be-
#10.5: They're examples, because I-did not see the numbers, I
knew they were numbers that he was writing. Like percentages,
like 19.5 and 32 and 1.7, and that's what was going on down
in the left margin. So I will write those as examples.
Okay, uh...okay, and then I will squiggle in, 'cause they
were like...okay?
#10.5: That's all it was. That's all that I saw. Isn't that
intriguing?
#14: Put number 1 on that.
#10.5: And number 1 was not on his page, number 1 is only on my page.
#14: All right.
#10.5: Hahahahahaa.
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#14: Gettin' flaky. Uh, okay. You described a kind of a buzz
bar meter device?
#10.5: Bus bar.
#14: Bus bar meter device, or whatever?
#10.5: Yeah.
#14: Uh...and...d-, am I correct in assuming that he was looking
at this thing as he was taking notes?
#14: Could you draw a picture of this meter device? In-
#10.5: Well, this was a big bank of mach- equipment. This wasn't
just some little thing stuck on the wall, this was a big wall
bank of stuff. All right. And he was like, it was section-
alized, and he would like look at one meter and write down
a number, and then he would like move a step to the right,
look at something else and write down a number, and then move
another step or two to the right and look at something else
and write it down and a couple more and write it down. That
type of thing.
#14: Do you remember the layout of the-
#10.5: No. It was all very, very confusing. I mean, it was so
detailed there was no way I could d-, I could, I could give
you the general perimeters of the way it was, and I could
give you the general feel for where it was in an overall
sketch and then I could maybe show you a cutout of one small
part of it which is the bus bar type of an appartus.
#14: Why not?
#10.5: Okay.
#14: Would you like a triangle?
#10.5: This'll do. This is all right. I just need a couple straight
lines for horizons sake.
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#10.5: The background here, somewhere
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#10.5: Okay ............ ... ..............And this is all the
damn thing looked like. It was just a bank of electrical
paneling...nothing very, very, uh...rather enigmatic, I guess
is the word for it. You know, just sort of eehhh, so what?
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#14: Thank god it's Friday.
#10.5: And he would like...stand here, okay? I'll draw little
#14:
footprints.
As if you were in his shoes.
#10.5: Okay? And then he would...
#14: Did you used to work for Arthur Murray?
#10.5: Hahaha...No, but Ginger Rogers and I used to really get it on.
Like he was stopping in... pausing here. And then he went
up the staircase. Okay?....
Now, over here...
#14: Are those the, uh, spheres you were talking about?
#10.5: Mm-hmm.
#14: Oh, goody.
#10.5: Sketch number two, three and we didn't even know it.
#14: Then we don't have to have...you just took care of two birds
with one stone.
#10.5: Mm-hmm.....some sort of a platform thing that they're sitting
on. And they're all -intercortnedted with steam pipes...steam
pi-, pipe, steam pipe type things. And they're all...you
know, there's a, there two, there are rows of them here. I'll
show you an overview from above... if you want ................
I'm tryin' to give this idea of, uh...this complexness
about this. It's just a humble jumble type thing. Okay, man
pauses... pauses, looks, writes, walks on...to next thing.
Okay, and that's just what he did. Like that. And that's
the bus, when I said bus bar.
#10.5: That's it right here. In the one, two, third one down to the
right. It's just a big electronic breaker bar, bus bar.
Like a mouse trap lever, you know, it just goes vvoonk!
Figure that one out.
#14: Like when they throw the switch in the electric chair.
#10.5: Like when they throw the switch in the electric chair, right.
The big classic- may I?
#14: Sure...Ginger Rogers, huh?
#10.5: Hmm.
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#14: All right.
#10.5: And I perceived that on the second deck at the end of
the catwalk was some other kind of a door there. And he'd
go out that door...
Okay. So that's that. That sketch big two. Okay? Now I'll
do three. I'll do you...from the catwalk. Cat on a hot tin
walk..... Here in the foreground is the door, walks along to
the door, like this .... Okay. And here along this- how do I
do it?... This is the electrical panel box that he was looking
at. Okay. That's the wall line, okay? This is the panel
box. He's walking downstairs. And there's a staircase up to
it. And over here... background, way down here in the back-
ground...let's see,.we got one...two...we got three. Okay, an'
over here we got one, two, three. Over here we got one, two,
and be the third one like here. It was like three by three
or three by four, I couldn't figure that out. Okay.
And this, these are the white...15 foot diameter... spheres.
All these pipes coming into 'em and out of 'em. Like this...
okay? Get the message? ...like that. You know, all interconnected
like this... They were real humble jumble, helter sketler,
very difficult to even begin to discern anything about them.
You know, just because they're so complexly... I had the
feeling that in these tanks.... there's some sort of condensation,
processing, progressive steps of processing. Whatever was
started like here in "X", or in "A", was then...piped and routed
into "B" and was then piped and routed into like "C". And
then was piped over...into "D". That type of thing.
#10.5: All right? Now, I don't know that that's the exact order of
them, but, that there was this interconnectedness, progressive
interconnectedness.
#14: All right. At this time we'll pause for the cause, flip over
to side C of the tape.
#10.5: Okay.
#14: We're now ready to continue side C of tape whatever....
#10.5: This was like maybe some sort of a railing...or pipe bank.
Okay, that's the best I can do for you, cause it's...on
sketch three there.
#14: Okay. One last request for a sketch is...drawing of the-
#10.5: Mystical beaker.
#14: Yes, coming out the end of the mystical conveyor, to include
these four-
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#10.5: I tried to get you some here, but I figured after I started
working on it that...
#14: Ginger Rogers?
#10.5: I figured after I started working on it that it might kill us
if I got it into the room, so I decided to stop. Nothing
we need better than to import a radioactive material into
our viewing room.
Anyway..... This is the only view I saw of the finished pro-
duct, which was really in....okay...... There's...that here
was sort of a big heavy wall in the foreground.... but the
end this- I had the feeling like in this wall it passed open,
you could see it, but then it went behind this wall that some
sort of a veiwing port in it. Okay?.......Oh, sugar, let's
see...so you could actually see it in there....... Okay.
You know, I don't know where I was, I don't have any contin-
uity. This goes t-t-t-t-t, back like that. This...this thing
like comes down a little bit. It's... squarish. I don't know
where that goes. And this goes, this is now floor level.
Like that, okay?
Beakers were about 14 inches high. Uh...I'l1 show you one.
.........In this thing..... inside the beaker, like I said,
it was about, only about one sixth the size...of it. And
you, some time in the session you asked me how come you make,
think this is radioactive. Well, here is where the...the thing,
that feeling came from...is...........some sort of a remote
con-, people did not touch this. Remote...control hooked
pincers... remove beaker from conveyor...Okay? Then I don't
know...I don't know what they're attached to, I just saw that
sterile white, pharmaceutical white. Okay? Heavy white,
this heavy... everything was...heavy, heavy white enamel.....
#14: Four.
#10.5: Okay. And the size on this beaker-is maybe 12 to 14 inches
tall. Uh, the size of the pebble...the pellet, pellet is what
is was. It's loaded with pellets, is about...close to this
size anyway. I, I said it was a 1-, well, I guess maybe it's
not. I said it was a little bit less than double 00 buck,
and that's about, that's closer to the size of double 00
buck than the other stuff isn't... The pellets were about the
size, or the radius of that.
#10.5: I'm gonna "X" that out. I'm going to say the pellets were
about that size. Okay, the coloration of the pellet was this
sick corroded copper green. Okay? I'll call it sickly, 'cause
it's really a yuk color. Sickly... corroded copper green....
And the glass view port, thick wall ...............Okay?
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#10.5: This is- all I can say is this is finished product, finished
...finished product. I like to buy finished products, you
know... Finished (haha) product...end point.
#14: Okay. That's good. End of session.
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TARGET CUING INFORMATION
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-78
0 ORN The remote viewer was shown the attached photograph of
A The viewer was then asked to go to SG1A
jg1~A He was asked to locate
and describe his surroundings.
NOT RELEASA NATIONALS
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Approved For Release 2000/08/07 : CIA-RDP96-00788R000500290001-6