TRANSCRIPT REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-79

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• Publication Date: October 10, 1980
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GRILL FLAME
PROGRAM
CLASSIFIED BY:MSG,DAMI-ISH
DATED: 051630ZJUL78
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-79
1. (S/NOFORN) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request for information on a target of interest to USI.
2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as
raw intelligence data, and, as such, have not been subjected to any intermediate
analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of the information
provided is the responsibility of the requestor.
3. (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document
Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing informa-
tion provided the remote viewer.
5. (S/NOFORN) This session was conducted as a follow-on session to D-77 and was
done concurrently with D-78.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-79
#66: This will be a remote viewing session for 1400 hours,
10 October 1980.
All right, uh, this is a pre-mission briefing. This
morning we conducted a session, uh, against a~A
who's also known as We A
are going to be working against this subject, um, this
afternoon. At this time I'd like to tell you that this
morning, uh, your session was, uh, quite accurate, and that
he, uh, was in a room, most likely in a room with other
people who were asking him questions and he was defensive
in nature. The location this morning, which will be the
same for this afternoon is, uh, 'lIAM
And we're going to be going back this session t
S G1p
But we're gonna go back to a time before he was
Pic e up to a time when he was still an operational agent.
Beginning of the session I will be giving you a specific
date several months ago, and we will be moving back in time.
#07: I'm just curious about that large body of water I saw this
mornin'.
#66: I have no information to tell you about that. Do you have
any further questions about what we're going to do this
afternoon?
#07: No, I don't think so. We're goin' back in time...before
capture.
#66: Yes. And, uh, do you have a specific way in which you
wish me-
#07: And you want to know what he was doing, I'm sure.
#66: I will have several questions for you when we get focused
back in time, yes.
#07: No, I have no questions.
#66: All ri ht. How do you wish me to refer to this gentleman? 1A
By his or his 981A
name as SG1A
SG1A
#07: I think I'll be able to pronounce easier.
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#66: Okay, fine. Then, uh, at this time I'll give you 25
minutes to.prepare yourself and then we'll begin the session.
It's time now to focus your attention once again. Focus
your attention now once again on whose picture I
have shown you. Focus your attention now solely and com-
move through space and
and describe his activity to me.
the morning of
time to
Holding your
and time to
pletely on
Focus now on
Move close to
Morning of
#07: I don't know where I got him.....I got a row that looks
like trucks...........I don't see any buildins...just...
squares that look like a bed of trucks.
ecifically. Find specifically, and
#66: Locate
describe w a is doing.
1111
#07: Just a minute, he's around here ...he's around here.
#66: Relax and concentrate.
PAUSE
#07: I've seen him around here two or three times..... short
sleeves, dressed as a civilian. To the southeast of him
about 100 yards or so...some kind of...mast, with, uh...
two shallow saucer shapes back to back on the top. About
a meter in diameter...
SG1
SGV
SSGG1 A
SG1A
+10 #66: Focus more intently specifically on more intently SG1A
and s ecifically on
does something very important. Do this with
and describe it to me.
SGJA
SG1A
PAUSE
#07: I've seen two or three other people with him, but I'm
getting cuts of him... different places, position. Nothing
very interesting. Got some pieces of modular equipment...
cables, unknown to me. I saw an individual with...head-
phones. But he d-disappeared... before I recognized him...
I saw some...strange shape, energy lobes...but I don't
recognize... what he's doin', he's...got three sheets of
paper in his hand...looking carefully, but I can't read it.
They were folded in his pocket.... But I get the distinct
feeling that he's not in the middle of the city...
Move your awareness now through space
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+16 #66: Tell me more about the pieces of paper.
#07: There were three pieces of paper, about 8 by 10, folded
three times. He took them from somewhere-in one hand,
was spreadin' 'em apart, looking from one page to the
next. He's doing something with his other hand which...
prevents him from using it on the paper.
#66: Tell me about your position of observation as you see this
happening.
#07: He was in front of me facing me about 10 feet away. I
moved up and over his left shoulder about 6 feet...behind
and about 6 feet up.
#66: All right. At this time focusing on the beha io with
these pieces of paper move to become one with and SG1A
ask him to tell you about the pieces of paper.
PAUSE
#07: This stuff is too complex for him.
PAUSE
#07: A little hyper...you know, this type don't, uh........
he gotta train...... some people do somethin'...they, this
one to the right, anyway. He's not up to it........
Something, some guy.... (mumbling)..... Oh, precision cali-
bration...seein' a lot of shapes and items. I have no
concept what they are. Just about the time I understand...
.....the son-of-a-bitch on my right makes some kind of
goddamn joke...
#66: Ask about what he does when he uses his clipboard. SG1A
Ask about what he's doing when he's using his SG1A
clipboard.
#07: Wait a minute ...... ................Gotta get more people
...get more people...It seems, uh...very early in the morning.
Right off to the west...azimuth, azimuth seems important
to me for some reason.
#66: What does do with his clipboard?
#07: I asked him, I got no response. I'll work on it again...
I assume you really want to know what data he has on his
clipboard.
#66: Ask
#07: It just...seems to have names on it.... There's somethin'
'bout a black guy over here to his right that's buggin' the
hell out of him..........
SG1A
SG1A
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#66: Let's work for a minute on getting more conversational
with _ and then well pursue this question more. SG1A
#07: If I could get his head up.
#66: All right. I have some thing that will help you to get
very close to him. I have sole things that are gonna help.
you. This is his very last mission and he's wanting very
badly to go home. Talk to him about going home and tell
him you are his friend. Spend a few moments getting-
#07: I don't believe I can do that.
#66: You know that this is his last mission and he wants to go
home. Talk to him about going home. Tell him you know how
much he wants to go home.
#07: I can't be his friend till I know what he's doin'. Just
a minute. I won't lie to him.
#66: It's not necessary to lie, just tell him you understand
how much he wants to go home.........
#07: (Mumbling)..... See boxes and crates...see some kind of turn-
over.... feeling of great responsibility... .delivery...
#07: It's funny, I...can't relate with him. All I can see is
imagery. I couldn't even get an acknowledgement that I
exist... preoccupied. But I sense a...some kind of delivery
or receipt. I'm havin' a lot of trouble. I got that...
floudered whale feeling...
#66: Ask him once again about what he does with his clipboard.
Ask him again about it, particularly with the clipboard.
#07: Okay. I'll ask him again.....'.......
I get a check-off, check-off list, but that could be right
brain. I've just gone.in so many times that I get one
attempt mixed up with the other.
#66: Are these papers that he had in his pocket associated with
the clipboard?
#07: I did not see a clipboard when he pulled 'em from somewhere.
That's funny thing, he didn't have a coat on. I don't know
where the papers come from, but they had been folded, as
though they had been in a...a big letter... I did not see
a clipboard until you mentioned it, but it was another, at
another time, not at the same time when I saw the three sheets.
They...three sheets seem to contain...not long words, but...
I thought symbols, and like flow chart of some kind.
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#66: All right. I want you to focus now on the morning of one
July, these pieces of pa er with the symbols on them.
Focus once again now on j Get very, very close to E1A
SG1A _ and ask - about these papers. Ask about
these papers. What is the significance of the symbols on SG1A
SG1A the papers? Ask- what do the symbols mean?
#07: His picture doesn't look like he has a, he's capable of
that much intense thought. I'm having no luck getting
through to him, but I'll try one more time.
#66: All right. If you wait just a minute...I can help you one
more time... It's very important for us to know about
these symbols on the paper, and to know about the meaning
of these symbols. I want you to work with so that S ~~A
you may learn this. Tell you know of his daughter,
and you too hope that Ws very well and very S G1/
1A
happy. Tell him you know he has a daughter and you 614
SG1A too hope that _ is very well and very happy. Work with
SG1A _ and tell me about the symbols on the paper. What
is their meaning?
PAUSE
#07: Just a minute...tears welled up in his eyes...
PAUSE
#07: I tried to make friends with him by telling, telling,
telling him that he was gonna get captured... He...had a
bad feeling... about this...there was something..something
isn't......... Bad feeling about last...not go...not go
home.. .everything. ..goes wrong that can...
#07: (Mumbling) .....................
Too many kolo conflicting thoughts-about things that I
don't understand...I don't know if they're garbage or just
what...There's one point there that...had a very quick cut
on...some type of weapon system, but, uh...wasn't his...
There's something about........ locating......I think I've got
too much information... The things I see don't... logically
tie in with a radio...and it confuses me.....
#66: Simply report.....
#07: What I got when I saw 6 or 9 SP guns off to the south...
not Soviet... He knew about it. I saw some big tubes
closer by, but that has nothing to do with the radio.
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#66: Okay. Let's adress specifically with- specifically SG1A
now ask him about the future of SG1A
GG1A this son. His daughter M and his son, R81AA
G1A It's very important to get very close now, very
S G1A close, very, very close. Ask him about SG1A
future. What is it with these symbols on the
paper? How does he hide the meaning of the symbols on the
paper? How does he hide the meaning of the symbols on the
paper? Ask - SG1A
#66: What is it you're experiencing that makes you say this?
#07: He kept pulling one out, looked like a cheap Japanese
calculator, and punching it and looking back at the paper.
I thought he was calculatin' something but I didn't
recognize any numbers. It looked more like symbols to me,
couple examples I would recognize. Triangles... circles
with dots in certain places...
#66: How does - make this information understandable?....
How does make this information understandable?
#07: I'm working on that.
SG1A
#07: Holy cow ..................calculator appears to be simple
scientific notation... when certain symbols are hit in...
specific order, symbols, not numbers, not letters......
ready identifiable, uh...keyboard symbols...have new mean-
ing...equate to peper symbols... symbols on paper.....
He...he doesn't understand it, just how to use it.
Calculator... functions as. ..normally functions as calcul....
calculator until...until the boat is changed... which is
sequentially depressing command keys, symbols, not numbers...
#66: What happens to the information after he uses the calculator?
#07: He can disconnect the memory dump...Any attempt...any
attempt to...extract information... if not proper sequence
will dump memory... Seems... seems calculator appears, uh...
display... numbers and letters........
#66: Describe proper sequence of keying.
#07: He's kinds pround of this thing. He's just...I'm just
listenin' to him tell me about it...so...seems to be
important thing here that if you make a mistake...if you
make a mistake in sequence, something happens to the
display, something appears on the display. Then you have
so many seconds to hit another sequence to prevent loss
of data. Safety feature to prevent-careless dump of
memory. Sequence...... This...this feels sorta important
at this point that. I feel as tense as he does. It looks
like....looks like six keys, I think-square root, yeah,
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#07: Oh, well, just dump it. Square root equals.....uh, tangent
.....uh, delta ...(mumbling) it's not an equals.... I'm
sorry, I can't handle it, just too many symbols flashing
in front of my eyes and I can't figure the sequence.
SG1A
#66: Ask where is this calculator now. Where is this
calcu a or now?
#07: They stole it...into his personal effect...... He's, uh...
he's, uh...not worried about it...about it, about a com-
promise ..... I asked him why he wasn't worried.........
just smiled.
#66: Ask him about 76G ......................
#07: Wait a minute, wait a minute.... Where am I? You want
me back in July?
SG1A #66: Follow 76G to where it takes you. Have show you about
76G.
#07: I've lost him, I gotta find him first ................
I'm getting nothing. I got all screwed up, I didn't know
where I was...startled me. I went back lookin' for him
and I can't find him.
#66: All right. I have no further questions concerning this
session. If there's anything you'd like to say, please
do so now.
SG1A #07: Ah.....he seems uh... ersonality seems to change when
he...thinks of doesn't seem to be too worried
about the girl. When he got wrapped up with the technical
aspects of calculator momentarily become a warm human
being. For a moment he wasn't ...hyper, angry.
#66: Explore once again why it is he's not worried about the
compromise of the calculator.
#07: You can't take it apart without dumping... You can't...
he's worried now...he's worried now...I just told him that
anybody (mumbling) I got him today, right now.
#07: I just told him that...all it took to...put the calculator
in, uh...operational mode was a sequence of numbers, and
he had 'em. Proper sequence of symbols, or...whatever...
He assures me he will not divulge that... Nobody can
get this sequence of...and if...if, uh...it takes, uh,
four...at least four of the symbols have to hit...struck
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#07: sequentially, proper sequence, before memory dump is
activated... Last two symbols must be hit with...within
one second each from the first four.
#66: All.right. Any other comments now, before ending the
session?
#07: Ah...he's not such a bad sort, he's...he's a lot like
me...guess that's why I didn't like him at first.
#66: Tell him you hope are well, and SG1A
bid him goodbye for today......
All right, fine. Let's prepare now to draw the things
you got.
#07: God, I didn't see anything, did I?
I've asked you now to draw the calculator which you saw
during the session. You've made a sketch here. You
want to tell me a little about your sketch?
#07: About all I can remember.. .the background behind the
bottom one was a different, different one. And because
I found myself tryin' to see if I recognized, uh, the thing.
And...I didn't recognize it. But, uh, in looking at it
I felt that the thing was Japanese...and then I got a very
strong feeling it, I'm supposed to think it looks Japanese.
I'm supposed to think it looks like a regular engineering,
or scientific calculator of medium quality. Uh...and I felt
very strongly I was supposed to think it was Japanese.
And I thought that was a distraction. And then all of a
sudden I understood why. Uh...I guess I was giving infor-
mation to him as to why he was supposed to look that way.
#66: And why was it it was supposed to look that way?
#07: Because it wasn't just a calculator. It, uh...had some
type of, uh, continuous clock in the thing. And certain
things are supposed to be punched into it within certain
intervals, days, or hours or something. Uh...and by hitting
a certain set of key strokes, and I seem to remember
symbols rather than letters or number. I felt there was
letters on the thing. Uh, I looked for 'em, I knew they
were there, I don't know how I knew, but I knew they were
there but I couldn't see them. I did see some of the
numbers and I saw some of the symbols. And I felt by
hitting a certain series of symbols, uh, in sequence that
a certain mode would be activated that had something to
do with the symbols that was on the paper.
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#07: And there was some kind of safeguard built in, and if you
hit four keys in a row...if you hit the first four keys
in proper sequence in a row unless you hit the last two
within I think a second each the thing deactivates. If
you come closer to the number it deactivates, unless you
hit an override within so many seconds, prevent this from
happening. So if you accidentally miss a digit in the
proper sequence in the proper time frame, something came
up on the keyb-, on the display that indicated if you knew
what you were looking for that you had made an error, that
you had so many seconds to go back and disarm the memory
dump.
#66: Okay.
#07: This was all, seemed all very, very, very clear and logical
to me. At the time I thought well, gee, that's a real cute
idea.
#07: Yeah, he...he wasn't talking, but the smile on his face,
and excitement when he was pointing things out, and I knew
what he was, uh...I was aware of information he was con-
veying. I don't remember hearing any voice communication.
But I knew what he was showing me and I understood what he
was showing me.
And in a couple points he got a little, little foxy, a
little cagey, and, uh...but he didn't seem hostile at
that point, he seemed, uh...kind of proud of himself, like
uh, like a child, like ha-ha, I know but you don't know,
you know, real, almost childish like, uh a great sense of
pleasure. He impressed me with this thing and now he
wasn't gonna tell me how it worked. And it was that sort
of thing. And I don't know what happened at that point.
#66: At that point-
#07: I remember tryin' to get the sequence, and I started with
#66: At that point I, uh, asked you to think about the number
7E , ask about that.
#07: Oh, yeah, I remember now. All of a sudden I, you know,
I didn't know where I was. I looked for him. I thought,
gee, am I in July? Am I now? Where am I? I thought, well
I'll go check both places where I find him I'll ask him.
He would probably know the answer if he was either place.
And I couldn't find him. Seemed like we almost quit or
something there and we went back again with some other
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#07: question and I fou nd him in the present time, I think...
But I don't remember what we was talkin' about.
#66: Do the numbers 763 have any meaning to you now?
#07: Oh, no, no...no....Oh, if I played with it logically I
might come up with something, but I'd just as soon not
do that.
#66: Okay. Is there anything-
#07: What the hell'd I go back the last time for?
#66: The, uh, I asked you to, uh, talk to him again. And you
found him in the present time. I asked you to find out why
he wasn't worried about compromising the calculator-
#07: Oh, yeah, yeah.
#66: -without it being found. And you located him in the
present time and you said something about now he is worried.
#07: I talked to him about that, I told him that, uh, you
know, as long as one person can get into it, somebody else
could. And was he sure he couldn't keep, that he could hold
on to the secrets. He wasn't smiling after that... But
I think it, I think if another sequence isn't punched in
within a certain time frame of hours or days that memory
will, uh, memory will blow. At least that memory of the
symbols and what-have-you. I'm t-, did I see anything else?
#07: Hmm. That's about it. I didn't even look to see what
the thing looked like, I was tryin' to figure the darn
thing out, uh... I was more interested in sequence than I
was in, uh, what the thing looked like.
#66: Okay. Any other comments?
#07: No, think that's about it.
#66: Okay.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION D-79
1. (S/NOFORN) Prior to the session the viewer was shown the attached photo-
graph and given a pre-mission briefing which is included as part of the trans-
cript.
SG1A 2. (S/NOFORN) At the start of the session the viewer was told to focus on the
SG1A time period of the morning of He was asked to describe the
activities of at this time.
3. (S/NOFORN) During the session the viewer was asked to elaborate on his
perceptions as directed by the control analyst.
ORCON
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