INSCOM GRILL FLAME PROGRAM SESSION REPORT

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• Document Creation Date: November 4, 2016
• Document Release Date: June 10, 1998
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• Publication Date: December 27, 1979
• Content Type: REPORT

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INSCOM
GRILL FLAME
PROGRAM
CLASSIFIED BY: DIRECTOR, DIA
REVIEW ON: z
EXTENDED BY-7 DIRECTOR, DIA
REASON: 2-301c (3 & 6)
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC74
1. (5) This report provides documentation of a remote viewing
session conducted in compliance with a request for information on
a target of interest.
2. (S) At the time of the session, the remote viewer was
provided with the geographic coordinates of the area in question.
The remote viewer was able to attain his usual state of relaxed
concentration but was disturbed periodically by ambient room
noise. He made no statements as to his confidence in his imagery.
3. (S) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the
document, Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing
Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S) Following is a transcript of the reviewer's impressions
during the remote viewing session. At Tab A are drawings made by
the viewer reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B
are analyst comments.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC74
PAUSE
Relax and concentrate now. Relax and concentrate. Focus
#66 This will be a remote viewing session (edited for security).
ention of this mornings target. This target is in
SG1A
Relax and concentrate. Focus on the target area an
describe the area to me.
+05 #7 I've got some altitude. I see a very...a very dull
scene. Barrten mountains and...ah...(mumble) valley off
to my left with...ah...some kind of large complex, I
think it's a town. I saw a portion of a wall near me.
The scene is mostly...ah...tan color, tan...ah...dirty
earth color. I'm seeing...ah...air foil shape...cross
section. It's very strong, but, I can't see...ah...how
it fits the scene.
#66 Describe your perspective position now.
#7 I seem to be to the...I'm up at about 4,000 or 5,000
feet. I felt...I felt that I was positioned at...to the
southeast looking northwest. The sky is brighter to the...
what I thought to be the northwest... don't make much
sense.
#66 Look straight down and describe what you see.
PAUSE
+10 #7 Confusing me...maybe symbolic.
#66 Don't analyze, just describe what you see.
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#7 Just a big board...ah...board. Slab shape, it's...ah...
vertical, with the sides...ah...kind of curved. As I
tryed to look closer, it...it took on a shape of...ah...
a scroll with spindles on each end, and I was trying to
get it clear. Appears a...some kind of antenna. It's on
my side of the slope. I see...ah...real bright over
there, like a fire. I see star silhouette against the
fire...the fire. I don't know that it's fire, it's just
bright red...ah...and it's dark, it seems that it's dark.
+15 A big truck off the road.
There's two...two big guns over there, under netting.
You can just barely see em, it's dark. It's...ah...
pointed right at me. I can't see through the net...ah...
but it's just the shape of drape. I'm (mumble)...I
think it's self propelled. I can vaguely make out tracks.
I'm seeling a...seeing...ah...a nondescript shapes,
+20 multiples... scale problem. It...it looks like bullet
pock... bullet... bullet pock marks on glass or...ah...if
it's scale is wrong it could be...could be shell
craters, but it's splatter shape.
#66 Tell me about the objects that the bullet... bullets
seemed to be hitting.
#7 All I see is...ah...it had a smooth texture with
splatter. Ah...looks like a rear window of a early...
ah...mid-70's rear windshield. It...ah...curves on the
ends. Can't see the whole vehicle, it's dark in tone
I'm seeing...ahm...a hill peak...ah...single hill seems
to be dominant, and the top glows like metallic
reflection. I'm getting...ah...something underground in
+25 the vacinity of this...ah...reflection. My face burns,
it stings.
#66 Describe the present activity at the target area.
#7 Well, I don't even know where the target area is. I'm
just up here looking around in all directions.
#66 You're doing fine. Describe the activity you see.
#7 I've been trying to figure out that thing on top of the
hill. It's aluminum there... aluminum paint color.
#66 Alright. That's fine. I'm interested in what's directly
below you, not over on the hill. What's directly below
you, what activity is going on there now?
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#7 It...ah...seems...it seems remote from the other areas
I've seen from up here. I only see one road into it.
#66 And what about the activity right now?
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What's your feeling about the level of activity?
#7 Seems on the road there's a truck over there with the
engine idling. I saw two guys a while ago, but they
didn't seem to be doing anything. I keep getting the
feeling that I'm only seeing the facade of this. Ah...
there's a...some kind of structure below...got big...
ah...panel. This...ah...it's in...ah...hill, rough
country. I don't know if it's significant or not, but
my face is sure stinging. I feel there's people inside
this structure, there's bright lights in there. I can
only see one side. The terrain is very rough, there's
a big leveled area in front of this structure. Up here
is lighter in tone, it's either compacted local materials
or maybe cement. There's an overhang on the structure
+30 and that's pretty well the color of the surrounding
terrain. I see pipes associated with the building, a lot
of em are side by side...ah...most of then running
vertically. (Mumble)...I don't know why, but it seems
like a light...ah...from the sky is lighting up one side
of the cliffs.
#66 OK. I have no further questions at this time about this
target. If there's anything at all you'ld like to add
before drawing, do so now.
PAUSE
#7 Only that there's a power line coming into this place.
#66 OK. Let's draw what you've had then.
#7 OK. Ah...on Page I, I'm gonna start with the first
thing I saw, and that was a very dull, maybe night time
scene of rugged terrain, don't remember seeing any
vegatation. Rather hazzy, quiet, dull. And, then just
vaguely off to my left...I felt I was looking to the
Northwest... off to my left, lower in the valley, I
thought I saw a spread out complex I thought to be a
city. Ah...I'll try and get some of these ...ah...
mountains and what have you here. And this area here I
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felt was a...the...the structures were one, maybe two
stories high maximum, but they were very, very dim.
And, I was looking over the top of...ah...some hills here
in the foreground, and near me on this slope was a...a
big board like structure, it had some thickness to it
that was curled out at the...at the ends. As I looked at
it, I thought, you know...ahm...I guess my imagination or
something made the thing curl up on the end like a scroll.
It was rolled on each end and a kind of a curved...ah...
ah...flat area inbetween it. Ah...later on I was aware of
a long structure with the back...back end appeared...it
just appeared to disappear. It had a overhang on it and
there was a...a big flat area out in front of it and then
a...a road zigzaged off down the hill to the right.
There was a truck sitting right here. I saw a couple of
guys right here, one and two, and I just had the distinct
feeling that I could see some windows in this-this
structure here, but I had the feeling it...it was bigger
inside than it appeared to me. I....ah...I don't know why.
Somewhere in the vacinity of No. 3 here, I thought, I saw
this in more detail, that somewhere in the vacinity of
No. 3...ah...where the big truck was knocked off the road,
went off the road, I could see it at a rakish angle and I
found it because of a...like a flash that...like a strobe
light went off that...but it was sustained, it...ah...
just lit up the sky and it just dim off in the distance,
and silhouetted against that was a star, a black
silhouette of a star against that bright. First, I
thought something was burning, something blew up, as
though something blew up, but I could sustain the flash.
Trying to figure out what it was, I came on the scene of
the truck and the ditch it...ah...a point right here, in
No. 3.
#10.5 You mentioned also...ah...right in this period of time,
you mentioned an antenna.
#7 Well, this thing right here I think, cause I kept looking
at it trying to figure out what it was from overhead,
ah...it took on a...a depth to it in this direction, as
though it coned back in there...ah...from this central
point. Ah...not a deep cone like a funnel, but it had...
ah...a definite cone type...type shape, and...ah...I look
at the terrain and I looked at what the heck could some-
thing like this be in this type of terrain, and...ah...
antenna came out of it. Ah...I felt it was...oh, those
pipes right here at this end between this panel up here
and this-end of that structure, they went up and
apparently curved and went into the building. I don't
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know what the heck they had to do with it.
#7 But I felt that this thing right here at No. 4...ah...
was probably an antenna...ah...of some type. Ah...oh...
somewhere... somewhere I saw two big guns...ah...I was
so close it...before I saw them that it just scared the
heck out of me, like I was looking up overhead at these
big things. I didn't really see them-draped material
over the top of it and I could see the shape, and as I
looked in the dimness I thought I could see the shape
of...of a self propelled artillery, giant, big, big stuff.
It...ah...I felt very emotional at that time, it just
scared the heck out of me cause I...ah...felt, you know,
like I was almost about to be run over with the thing. I
felt threatened, and I'm really not sure exactly where
that was, except there were hills behind it. He could
have been in one of these slopes here, somewhere, I don't
know. On top of this-this hill or one shaped like that,
between me and this ridge of mountains here was something
on top that...ah...I don't know, it could have been
spherical with some stuff around it, very shiny, metallic
aluminum color. I kept looking at it and I got flashes of
something underground...ah...tubular, I couldn't make
anything out of that, I don't know what it was. The.big
guns, OK. I don't know where the big guns were. I...I
thought...I thought North was in that direction, in other
words, here, looking to the Northeast, I thought...I
don't know that's a town, I just thought the shape of it
and the expanse of it, it was probably a town.
#10.5 OK. Alright, would you...ah...can you do me a little...
ah...a single sketch of the building in the lower right,
the structure or whatever, in the lower right there with
the clear area in front of it and the access road?
#7 Ah...I felt there was a distinct possibility that this
thing might be extending into the hill.
This is very rough terrain going down the hill, there
had to be a lot of switchbacks going up and down into the
valley that extended off towards the Southeast, I guess
it was, and this is all very, very craggy and rough...
ah...in here going up the slope to some height. But, I
distinctly felt that the thing was bigger inside than
what I was seeing and it...the way it was situated against
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the side of the mountain, I felt that part of it might
possibly have been underground. I tryed to see this
side of it, I tryed to get a distinct...ah...four sided
shape or whatever...ah...I could only get this portion
here I was seeing. I thought about going inside, and at
that time, I think you asked something about activity or
people or something, and I started looking around, and I
never got back to it. And I have no damned idea what it
is or where it is. No feel whatsoever.
#10.5 That's good. You said on, OK, moving on to the antenna,
the antenna is interesting to me because you said...you
felt that there was something... here in your debriefing
you just mentioned that you felt there was something
spherical beneath it...ah...the round, no, I'm sorry,
the spherical beneath it was the round thing ontop of
the hill on Sketch 1 that you had. OK, could you do
me...ah...ah...a closer perspective of that item, and...
#7 Should we number that item Item 5?
#10.5 OK. It's OK, don't worry about the number.
#7 I felt there was some kind of...ahm...geometric
structure under this and I felt it could be inflated...
ah...perhaps inflated ...ah...aluminumized cloth...ah...
could have been a gas tank or something; it was
illogical to me, I never got around to figuring out what
it was, but there was also...ah...geometric...ah...
patterns out here, I can't remember the exact detail.
Ah...and I felt that underground there was a...I saw a
very large diameter, I thought, cement cylinder, and I
saw it as though it was a cut away in Popular Science
or something. Ahm...I didn't get it done very far, but
I guess I ought to doubt this thing. I got a feeling
of a...ah...a smaller...a smaller shaft going down, and
it was so confusing I just, hey, you know, in a remote
area like this it didn't make sense. I thought, I didn't
know what was happening. Ah...then...after I saw this
shaft I came back on the scene of this thing here and it
definitely appeared then as cement. That's when I
detected it was cement, rather than just a cylindrical
shape.
#10.5 OK. Alright. Why don't you number that one...ah...3,
and write Item 5 in the up...somewhere on there,
anywhere, so we can cross. Good.
#7 Was there anything else?
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#10.5 Yep. Quite a bit, as a matter of fact. Ahm...
#7 I thought we covered it over here.
#10.5 Hah. Well, you...Ok...ah...there's one thing that I
would like to...we're sort of a little bit ahead of
ourselves here on that. One thing I'ld to return to
here...ah...you made the comment that right after you
mentioned the two big guns under...you couldn't see the
shape, they under netting and everything, but that was
the feeling that you had. You said...made the comment
of multiple nondescript shapes. Looks like bullet pock
marks on glass or shell craters.
#7 Oh yea, I forgot that-yea, I forgot that.
#10.5 And #66 had you talk some about those...the objects...
the object that you thought the bullets would hit. Is
that in the vacinity, there, visible on 1, on Sketch 1,
your overview?
#7 Ah...I don't know where that was. I felt it was, you
know, beyond this hill, I thought. I thought it was over
in here.
#7 Yea, over in this area somewhere.
#10.5 Alright. Ah...
#7 But...ah...lower...lower elevation than...than this...
than the item up in No. 4.
#10.5 OK. Would you...ah...
#7 Yea. First I couldn't make out what that was, it was
just pock marks.
#10.5 OK. And you were...you had some concern regarding the
resolution...ah...not the resolution, but the scale.
Ahm...to refresh your memory, you said that smooth
texture with splatter, looks likes rear window of an
earlier mid-70's automobile, curved rear windshield,
curves on the ends. It's dark in tone, but you can't
see the whole vehicle or apparatus or whatever.
#7 Yea. I could see...I could see a little bit, like this.
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I could see the paint...ah...the metal part I felt looked
dark in tone as opposed to a cream and ivory, pale green,
pale blues or anything, I felt it was dark in tone. First
I couldn't tell, you know, whether these things were
hundred feet across or a millimeter across.
#10.5 Did you have the feeling that...just to clarify me, would
you...clarify my idea here, would you run through your
impressions of this for me?
#7 Of this?
#7 It came on the scene with probably just one of these,
and as I remember, it happened right after I saw the big
guns, and I thought, well, gee, is this practice, am I
seeing the down range, and then I saw another one and
another one, and I thought, my God, is this a battle field,
and I was trying to find something I could tie it to to
find out, you know, how big it is, what is it, is it a
battle field...ah...and I guess you said something to me,
asked to me to...a question or something, and I started
looking closer, and then I saw this curve right here on
the...ah...what I take to be the right side. Ah...then I
saw a translucency that came on and I could see that the
highly reflective part of these pock marks looked like
glass rather than ejecta from light tone soil underneath.
Ah...then parts of the vehicle...ah...shape came on and I
was able to recognize it. I...
#10.5 What type of a vehicle did it...did it..did the gestalt...
#7 I had...ah...the feeling of an official car. Ah...
diplomatic came on and I shook and said no, no, no, no,
no, wait a minute, hold. And I back off and the thing
came on again and it came up to almost definitely
official...ah...as compared to the man on the street.
Ah...the dark tone, if I was forced to pick color, I...
ah...I...I felt it was black, definitely. But, because of
the gray, night time theme, it wasn't as contrast
against the background as...as you might expect. Ah...
but I felt...I felt it was official type vehicle. Ah...I
thought I would feel some emotion...ah...about it, cause
I felt some emotion in other parts of the thing, I don't
remember where now, but, I didn't feel any sadness or
anything about this. It was more like a...a technical,
analytical thing. I saw it, I didn't know what it was,
and as I worked with it, I saw what it was, and I felt
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content to leave it alone, and...ah...it never occurred
to me to see if anyone was injured. It just absolutely
did not occur to me...ah...it could be the vehicle was
sitting there abandoned and hadn't-this is occurred
some time before, I don't know.
#10.5 You...do you have...you mentioned that you saw this,
here in your debrief just recently, you mentioned that
you saw this at about the same time you saw the two...
#7 I saw it just after...
#10.5 Just after...
#7 and I thought it was associated.
#10.5 OK.
#7 That's why I thought it might be down range, big impact
area or something.
#10.5 OK. Ahm...on the overview would you...do you...do you
feel...ah...sure enough to...to try to locate this area
on the overview sketch within a general location?
#7 I...I had the feeling I was down below the peaks, down in
the valley somewhere, and I'm guessing somewhere in the
vicinity...I want to make a dotted circle here...ah...
that's No. 6. Somewhere, I would say to the East of what
I thought was the village.
#10.5 OK. On...on Sketch No. 4 there why don't you write in
Item 6 so we have something, tie the two of them together.
Good.
#10.5 Alright, from there, as I recall, or from my notes here,
from there we moved on to the-the item in Sketch 3
which we've already done. OK. Ahm...let me take a look
at your Sketch 2 there...Sketch 2. OK9 I'll have to ask
you a couple more questions.
#10.5 OK. From that, you went on, single hill, tops glows like
metalic reflection, OK, that's 5, Item 5. OK, something
underground with a reflection aluminum or aluminum paint
color, only one road visable going into the hill, truck on
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the road with the engine idling.
#7 OK. That's down in the vacinity of Item 1, 2 and 4.
#10.5 OK. That's, OK, that's down there, alright. Ah...feeling
that he's only seeing the facade, something below the big
panel; we're moving into that?
#7 Ah hah. It's the big thing....
#10.5 OK. I see then. You've returned to where your start
point...alright, good. Ah...hilly, rough countries... OK,
people inside, bright lights, can only see one side,
that is this, right, OK. The leveled area in front of the
structure...ah...either local material or cement, over-
hanging structure, and pipes - a lot, side by side, most
of them vertical. OK, alright, I see now, it's on
Sketch 2 then. And finally...ahm...towards the end of
the session, light from the sky is lighting up one side of
the cliffs, that's OK9 that's where... that's... we're still
dealing with this, am I correct here?
#7 Yea, it was lighting up this slope here.
#10.5 #66 asked you if there was anything to add, and your...
your last addition before the session was terminated by...
ah...an incursion was that...ah...you added a power line
coming into the place.
#7 Oh yea, yea. Yea, that a...I felt that went over this hill
here ...yea.
#7 It's not the scale there, but it went over that hill. I
don't know where it went off to from there, but I saw it
going up over the hill.
#10.5 OK.
#7 OK. Anything else?
#10.5 That's all I have.
#66 Good session.
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