REMOTE VIEWING OF NATURAL TARGETS. SRI. RUSSELL TARG AND HAROLD PUTHOFF

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REMOTE VIEWING OF NATURAL TARGETS
Russell Targ and Harold Puthoff
Stanford Research Institute
Electronics and Bioengineering Laboratory
To be presented at the Conference on Quantum Physics and Parapsychology
Geneva, Switzerland, August 26-27, 1974
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REMOTE VIEWING OF NATURAL TARGETS
This paper presents a series of experiments in which a subject is
asked to describe a remote site chosen by experimenters and unknown to
the subject. This work was undertaken to test the idea that natural
geographic places or man-made sites that have existed for a long time
are more potent targets for paranormal perception experiments than are
artificial targets prepared in the laboratory. This is based in part
on the suggestions of two of our subjects (Messrs. Pat Price and Ingo
Swann) who consider the use of artificial targets to be a "trivialization
of the ability," as compared with natural preexisting targets.
In order to build a physical theory for the explanation of psychical
phenomena, it is necessary to have a clear understanding of what constitutes
the phenomena which are to be explained. Tn this paper we endeavor to
present a series of coherent and repeatable experiments which represent
a sufficiently stable data base against which to test various theories
for psychical functioning.
In these experiments we have three principal findings. First, we
have definitely established that it is possible to obtain significant
amounts of descriptive information about remote locations. Second, the
physical distance separating, the subject from the scene to be perceived
does not greatly effect the accuracy of perception. In our experiments
the distance was varied from two miles to two thousand miles. Finally,
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the use of electromagnetic shielding does not in any apparent way degrade
the quality or accuracy of the descriptions obtained. These facts taken
together cast great doubt on theories for psychic perception based on a
conventional use of electromagnetic radiation. Although it is possible
for extremely low frequencies to penetrate our shielded room, we question
whether signals of such low frequency have the necessary information
carrying capacity to account for the experiments described in this paper.
In our experience, a subject is more likely to describe accurately
a remote site chosen at random from hundreds of nearby locations than he
is to select correctly an integer from zero to nine chosen by a similar
random process. In a later section we describe the protocol used to
quantify the correspondence between the subject's description and the
observables present at the target location. We consider that this differ-
ence in task difficulty lies in the fact that a subject can make a perfect
mental picture of each numeral from one to ten from his own imagination,
whereas he is more likely to try to make his mind a blank when attempting
to perceive pictorial information from remote locations about which he
has no mentally stored data.
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In experiments carried out in our program to investigate the abilities
of a New York artist, Mr. Ingo Swann, he expressed the opinion that the
insights gained during experiments at SRI had strengthened his ability
(researched before he joined the SRI program) to view remote locations.
To test Mr. Swann's assertion, a pilot study was set up in which a
series of targets from around the globe were supplied to the experimenters
by SRI personnel on a double-blind basis. In our estimation, Mr. Swann's
ability to describe correctly details of buildings, roads, bridges, and
the like indicated that he could perceive remote locations, sometimes in
great detail, given only their geographic latitude and longitude. Thus,
we considered the descriptions were sufficiently accurate to warrant our
setting up a research program in remote viewing.
We present here the results of a remote viewing experiment, carried
out with a second subject in the remote viewing program (Mr. Pat Price).
This experiment consisted of a series of double-blind, demonstration-of-
ability tests involving local targets in the San Francisco Bay area which
could be documented by several independent judges.
In each of nine experiments in which Mr. Price served as remote-
viewing subject and SRI experimenters as a target demarcation team, a
remote location was chosen in a double-blind protocol. Mr. Price, who
remained at SRI, was asked to describe this remote location, as well as
whatever activities might be going on there.
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Data from the nine experiments are presented in the following para-
graphs. Final judging indicated that several descriptions yielded sig-
nificantly correct data pertaining to and descriptive of the target loca-
tion.
In the nine double-blind remote-viewing experiments, the following
procedures were used. A set of twelve target locations clearly differen-
tiated from each other and within thirty minutes driving time from SRI,
had been chosen from a target-rich environment (more than 100 targets of
the type used in the experimental series) prior to the experimental series
by an individual in SRI management, the director of the Information Science
and Engineering Division, not otherwise associated with the experiment.
Both the experimenters and the subject were kept blind as to the contents
of the target pool, which were used without replacement.
To begin the experiment, an experimenter was closeted with Mr. Price
at SRI to wait 30 minutes to begin the narrative description of the remote
location. The SRI locations from which the subject viewed the remote
locations consisted of an outdoor park (Experiments 1,2) a double-walled
copper-screen Faraday cage (Experiments 3,4, 6-9), and an office (Experi-
ment 5). A second experimenter would then obtain.a target location from
the Division Director from a set of traveling orders previously prepared
and randomized by the Director and kept under his control. The target
* The Faraday cage provides 120 dB attenuation for plane wave radio
frequency radiation over a range of 15 KHz to 1 GHz. For magnetic fields
the attenuation is 68 dB at 15 KHz and decreases to 3 dB at 60 Hz.
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demarcation team, consisting of two to four SRI experimenters then pro-
ceeded directly to the target by automobile without communicating with the
subject or experimenter remaining behind. Since the experimenter remaining
with the subject at SRI was in ignorance both as to the particular target
and also as to the target pool, he was free to question Price to clarify
his descriptions. The demarcation team then remained at the target site
for an agreed-upon thirty-minute period following the thirty minutes
allotted for travel. During the observation period, the remote-viewing
subject would describe his impressions of the target site into a tape
recorder. A comparison was then made when the demarcation team returned.
To represent best the detail and style of these narratives, we have repro-
duced in an Appendix the entire unedited text of one of the better narra-
tives (Exp. 7) which contains very few incorrect statements.
In general, Mr. Price's ability to describe correctly buildings,
docks, roads, gardens, etc., including structural materials, color,
ambience, and activity, sometimes' in great detail, indicated the
functioning of a remote perceptual ability. However, the descriptions
contained inaccuracies as well as correct statements. To obtain a
numerical evaluation of the accuracy. of the remote viewing experiment,
the experimental results were subjected to independent judging on a
blind basis by five SRI scientists who were not otherwise associated
with the research. The judges were asked to match the nine locations,
which they independently visited, against the typed manuscripts of the
tape-recorded narratives of the remote viewer. The transcripts were
unlabeled and presented in random order. The judges were asked to find
a narrative which they would consider the best match for each of the
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one target. location. A correct match requires that the transcript of
a given date be associated with the target of that date. The table
shows the distribution of the judges' choices. For purposes of display
we present the table such that the main diagonal corresponds to the
correct choices. The number of correct matches by Judges A through g
is 7, 6, 5, 3, and 3,' respectively. The expected number of correct
matches from the five judges was five; in the experiment twenty-four
such matches were obtained .
Among all possible analyses, none is more conservative than a
permutation analysis of the plurality vote of the judges' selections
assuming assignment without replacement, an approach independent of
the number of judges. By plurality vote, six of the nine descriptions
and locations were correctly matched. Under the null hypothesis (no
remote viewing and a random selection of, descriptions without replacement),
this outcome has an a : rp iori probability of p = 5.6 x 10-4 . since, among
all possible permutations of the integers one through nine, the
probability of six or more being in their natural position in the list
has that value. Therefore, although Price's descriptions contain
inaccuracies, the descriptions are sufficiently accurate to permit the
judges to differentiate among the various targets to the degree indicated.
'The a priori probability of such an occurrence by chance, conservatively
assuming assignment without replacement on the part of the judges, is
p = 8.10-10.
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Remote Viewing with "Ordinary" Subjects
Based on the results of the Price experiments we decided to extend
our investigations to include the two outstanding (ordinary) subjects
who had been uncovered in a broad-based screening experiment including
147 volunteer subjects. The subjects for this experiment were an SRI
scientist, Mr. D.E., and a professional photographer, Ms. H.H.
Target Selection
The protocol for the experiments was as follows: One experimenter
would remain at SRI with the subject while the other experimenter went
to the remote target location. The target was selected by the traveling
experimenter after he left SRI and while the subject was monitored by
the other experimenter. The traveling experimenter, who had a list of
six San Francisco Bay Area locations that could be reached in no`more
than 30 minutes driving, then cast a die to determine which place would
actually be visited.
After a half hour's wait, the subject remaining at SRI began to
relate his impressions about the place where the other experimenter was
located; these narrations were recorded on magnetic tape. The experi-
menter remaining behind with the subject had no information about the
target location.
Four such experiments were performed with these two subjects, two
with each. Locations were generated from a list that included such
possible targets as a drive-in theatre, Hoover Tower on the Stanford
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University campus, a toll plaza on the east side of the'Dumbarton bridge
across the San Francisco Bay, Palo Alto Methodist Church, Artificial
Intelligence building in foothills west of SRI, Baylands nature preserve,
Allied Arts crafts plaza, the Alpine Inn beer garden in the foothills,
Rinconada Park swimming pools, and Redwood City Marina, among others.
The four target locations used in this series of experiments were
a miniature golf course in Redwood City, the Bay Area Rapid Transit
station in Fremont (across the Bay), a shielded room at SRI, and (as a
special long-distance task) a vacation resort in Costa Rica. For this
last target, the subject was asked to supply a drawing and written
description.
In the preexperiment orientation, the subjects were told that since
they had demonstrated paranormal perceptual ability in previous tasks,
we were confident that they could do this additional task since we had
already observed two other subjects performing such tasks successfully.
Summary of Experiments
The following gives a summary of the four experiments done with the
two "ordinary" subjects from the screening study.
In the first experiment, Ms. H. H. described a "...red, wooden
building with a pointed roof." The building was further described as
being made with "...overlapping boards and has a white trim." Further-
more, she said, the "...building is empty, as though nothing is going
on inside. And the whole place seems artificial like a movie set." The
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caricature of a schoolhouse on a miniature golf course--both empty and
artificial (Figure 1). The shape, color, and construction were all
accurate.
In a second experiment, the experimenter (Phyllis Cole) was led by
a throw of the die to a shielded room (Figure 2) on the second floor of
SRI's Engineering building. D.E.'s description had her "...sitting rather
quietly alone on the corner of a rather large room. Not so much an office,
but more like a classroom, a larger room. And as she was sitting there
in the room she was writing, she was looking at perhaps something on the
wall and writing something..." (In fact, at about this time the experi-
menter was observing graffiti on the wall, and mentally composing her
own for the collection.) A detailed description fits well with the row
of a half-dozen large heavy black metal machines on a work bench to the
right of the experimenter that she touched at approximately this time
during the experiment: "I have some impressions that I can't understand--
it's like some heavy black things that she could either be sitting on or
that she's touching. Sort of an amorphous shape that I can't pick up,
but it feels heavy and black and of a distinguishable shape, but its
exact form is not angular--doesn't seem angular, and I can't interpret
a shape from it." This description was substantially correct and would
have fit no other target used in any experiments up to that time. The
description was unique in the set of descriptions with which it was compared.
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FIGURE 1 "SCHOOLHOUSE" ON MINIATURE GOLF COURSE
USED AS REMOTE VIEWING TARGET
FIGURE 2 SHIELDED ROOM IN SRI'S ENGINEERING BUILDING
USED AS REMOTE VIEWING TARGET
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In a third trial, the experimenters (Russell Targ and Phyllis Cole)
went to the Bay Area Rapid Transit (BART) station across the bay from
SRI, again chosen at random from a prepared list. D.E.'s description
closely matched the target: "...a simple, heavy, solid building with a
unique function" in ",..relatively natural surroundings" [all correct--
see Figures 3(a) and 3(b)]. In his further description, D. E. said
(correctly) "They are standing at a metal railing looking out over a
scene. They are up high enough that they can see some buildings down
below" [Figure 3(c)].
He sensed some ambiguity of whether the experi-
menters were inside a building or not. "I have the sense they're outside,
though, but they're near a building. There's a larger building-like
structure. Feels like it has sort of one function. One primary function.
And although they're outside, they're relating to the building and its
function." In fact the experimenters were on the open station platform
waiting for a train. About 11:22 he said, "I have the impression that
Russell is feeling a smooth metal surface. Sort of large plates, large
metal plates. Somewhat rectangular." The timing and description are
highly accurate. Figure 3(d) illustrates Mr. Targ looking at the large
metal BART route map, just before the train's arrival. At exactly 11:25
D.E. said "everything changed" and "I don't see them anymore." That is
the precise time the target pair boarded the BART train and left the station.
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In addition to the remote viewing of local targets, one subject
(H. H.) participated in a long-distance experiment. In this experiment
one of the experimenters (Dr. Puthoff) spent a week traveling through
Central America on a combination business/pleasure trip. That is all
that was known to the subject about the traveler's itinerary. The
experiment called for Dr. Puthoff to keep a detailed record of his
location and activities, including photographs, each day at 1330 PDT.
Five daily responses were obtained from the subject. Two were In excel-
lent agreement, two had elements in common but were not clear corre-
spondences, and one was clearly a miss. In the first of the two matches,
Dr. Puthoff was driving in rugged terrain at the base of a volcano
(Figure 4) and the subject's response was "larger bare table mountain,
jungle below, dark cool moist atmosphere," a match both with regard to
topography and ambience. In the second match the subject submitted that
all she got was a "picture of Dr. Puthoff sitting in a beach chair by a
pool," which was entirely correct.
During the course of the Central America experiment, on one occasion
when the -test subject was unavailable, one of the authors (RT) volunteered
a drawing of an image he obtained at the beginning of one of the daily
experiments. (The target for that day was an airport, an unexpected
target associated with a side excursion at midpoint of the week's activity.)
The match was good, as shown in Figures 5 and 6.
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FIGURE 6 SKETCH PRODUCED BY SUBJECT FROM SAN ANDRES, COLOMBIA, AIRPORT
USED AS REMOTE VIEWING TARGET
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Conclusion
We have presented evidence for the existence of a biological infor-
mation channel whose characteristics appear to fall outside the range of
known perceptual modalities. The precise nature of the channel or channels
is as yet undefined, but may involve either direct perception of hidden
information content, perception of mental images of persons knowledgeable
of target information, precognition, or some combination of these or other
information channels.
We have worked with three individuals whose remote perceptual
abilities were sufficiently developed that they were able to describe
geographical material blocked from ordinary perception.
From these experiments we conclude that
o A channel exists whereby information about a remote location
can be obtained by means of an as yet unidentified perceptual
modality.
o As with all biological systems, the information channel appears
to be imperfect, containing noise along with the signal.
o While a quantitative signal-to-noise ratio in the information-
theoretical sense cannot as yet be determined, the results of
our experiments indicate that the functioning is at the level
of useful information transfer.
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It may be that remote perceptual ability is widely distributed in
the general population, but because the perception is generally below
an individual's level of awareness, it is repressed or not noticed.
For example, two of our subjects (H.H. and P.P.) had not considered
themselves to have unusual perceptual ability before their participation
in these experiments.
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Transcript of Experiment 7 with Pat Price
Following is the unedited transcript of remote viewing Experiment 7,
where the target was an Arts and Crafts Garden Plaza. This is a large
plaza resembling a California mission. There are craft shops around the
perimeter of the plaza. In the plaza area are many gardens, flowers,
ceramic pots, fountains, and paths. Overhead are vines on arbors of
redwood. Price's description is accurate in almost every detail and he
omitted little of importance. (See Figure 7.)
1:40 THIS IS A REMOTE VIEWING EXPERIMENT WITH PAT PRICE, DEAN BROWN,
AND RUSSELL TARG IN THE SHIELDED ROOM IN BUILDING 30. THE TRAVELLERS TO
REMOTE LOCATION ARE BART COX, HAL PUTHOFF, JUDY SCHMICKLEY AND PHYLLIS
COLE. WE EXPECT THE TRAVELLERS TO BE AT THEIR PLACE IN ABOUT 10 MINUTES.
OK. Why don't I start scanning by quadrant using this as a center point.
12-3, 6-9 ......
I'll go from 12-3 first. Seems to me right now that I'm picking them up
in the 12-3 quadrant, but I'll go on in the rest and look. I haven't
actually identified them, I just feel that they're there.
Nope, I don't get them there.
Now I'll go from 6-9. While I was looking at 6-9, it looks to me like
I'm looking at an iris, a flower of some kind. I'll come back and
identify that later. Just wanted to get it down as having a flash of
an iris flower-purplish. I'll continue to scan that quadrant.. Nope,
don't get them there.
I'll go from 9-12. Don't get them there.
I'll go back 12-3. Yeah, I get them in that quadrant.
Now I'll see if I can locate them physically and identify the area.
I'm looking at something that looks like an arbor, trellis-work arbor.
Seems to be cool, shaded. Doesn't seem to me that they're out in the
direct sunlight. Be more like there's lots of trees, in an arbor area.
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They're just.... looks like it's a dirt path, quite wide, I'd say
maybe 12 feet. I can see some grass. Looks like possibly a fountain
of some kind.
Yeah, I can see Bart in his red shirt and what looks like kind of a
gray paisley tie - I didn't really look at that when he was down
there. The red shirt, I did. Looks like he has on a gray paisley
tie.
Looks like there's some red brick laid into a walkway. They don't
seem to be on it, they just seem to pass over that.
I get - it seems like a little ways away from them there are quite
a few people but right where they're walking it doesn't appear to
be many right in there.
This is an arbor area. Back of that arbor, back here I'd say 50 feet
from that arbor to here, seems to be a lot of people in here. They
were walking along here on what looks like about a 12 foot dirt path.
No, I want to say park, but it doesn't exactly feel like a park. If
you took a - the feeling I'm getting - it's not the specific place -
but like the Town and Country Market. That type of an atmosphere,
with quite a section of it into a little outdoor park, but basically
I'm getting a very strong feeling of flowers.
TELL ME ABOUT THE TOWN AND COUNTRY ASPECT. IN WHAT WAY DOES IT REMIND
YOU OF TOWN AND COUNTRY.
The buildings, not right where they're at, but very close to them have
that same kind of architecture and look. The parking lot looks similar,
grand, sweeping, not cluttered, it's more expansive area. You take a
place like Sears Mall - it seems cluttered. This seems more leisurely
paced.
People are moving about slower - there's not the hustle and bustle -
more or less meandering.
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Yeah, the back of them it seems to be - where they are seems to be a
very large arbor like vines growing over it and things, and there possi-
bly - I haven't looked in there yet to see if there's any displays like
pottery and things - I get the feeling that there is right close to it.
Yeah, it seems like fairly high shade trees - kinda bordering. The center
part doesn't seem to have it - this part in here. The trees seem to be
way up in here along like this over here. This seems to be shaded in
here, but it's sunny out here.
I just saw something that looked like a windmill - not a farm type wind-
mill - a Dutch-type windmill. It's smaller - it's not a huge thing, but
I'm getting a definite feeling that it's like a windmill.
The area in there feels damp - not wet - they're not walking in water,
but it's very moist.
The temperature in there...it's secluded. Feels very comfortable. A
little on the shady side.
Outside of this little park-like affair that they seem to be in, there's
a street. One side of it seems to be a kind of a residential... the other
seems to be a little bit more heavily travelled.
Let me pickup a little bit more.
I can see one very large oak tree - exceptionally large.
Right now Bart is trying to point something out that is basically the
significance of the whole place. It's like that key thing, well, if
you'd have mentioned a salt pile I'd have blown my lid. Well, this has
a significance that's just about comparable to that. I'm screening it
out.
Thing that just flashed in was kind of like a stadium structure - like
looking down into a stadium.
Just when I did that I - I'll-have to reorient to make sure I'm looking
in the same area now.
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Seems like they're - I still get them in the same quadrant I had them
in originally. Seems like some decorative brick walls.
Yeah, I got them out about this far - it's not far away - I'd say in
this direction over here about - feels like a mile to a mile and a half.
They don't feel as far away, and I'm not looking at the time continuum.
They actually don't feel as far away. I'd say that it is about - not
half the distance they were to the marina, and it seems to be on a line
just about in that direction but just a hair more - rather than a direct
line from here to the marina - they seem to be just slightly more to the
left of that line.
I was looking back to where he had the car parked and it seems like it's
on asphalt, then a curb in front, and then it's like a dirt walkway and
then a sidewalk. But I can see eucalyptus buds on the ground and some
branches of eucalyptus there.
One of the most dominant things to me in the way of unusualness is the
size of the oak tree that I'm looking at. Looks like an arboretum, or
I get the definite feeling of flowers.
Almost get the feeling like it's commercial flowers.
In fact, the most predominant feeling that I'm getting right now is flowers.
Don't know why iris particularly.
There's something about the windmill that I was going to look at. Wasn't
that what you were....?
Be like one you'd almost see in a miniature golfcourse...the windmill.
Has all the construction and detail but not as large - it's fairly small.
Seems to be made out of dark redwood and it's kind of aged.
I'm going to try to look more directly to them. Let's see, there's Bart
and Hal, and behind Bart is Judy and behind Hal is Phyllis, kinda stag-
gered there.
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I was trying to get the feeling of what type of an area it was.
Let me elevate a bit. I'm looking at much too small an area. There's
some greater significance there that I feel I'm definitely not looking
at - let's Jack up a bit-maybe 500 feet.
I see Judy's red hair and her brown eyes and her flashing teeth - she
has beautiful teeth. Hadn't really looked at them before.
Phyllis and her are talking about something and Hal and Bart are talking
about something and he's pointing at something and it seems to me that
he's pointing over to what I'd call a windmill or something that looks
like a windmill.
The water I see looks more like a pool or a pond than it does - you know,
it's not big like a lake - not very large, but it looks like a definite
pool.
Right where they're at I don't hear too much traffic noise - it seems
to be fairly quiet.
Feels a little early, but it kinda seems like they're retracing their
steps heading back toward the car, but they're still moving quite leisurely.
IF YOU LOOK DOWN ON THE PLACE FROM ABOVE, CAN YOU GET ANY FEELING FOR
THE - IS THERE ANY OVERALL LAYOUT OR PLAN?
When I went up I could see trees and stuff, and I kind of got the feeling
of like in a corner of a golf course, you know - where there would be a
lot of trees overhanging the green and some things in there - that seemed
to be out of context, but when I elevated, that's what I got. It kind
of looked like an overlap to me, so I didn't talk about it, but I will.
When I elevated it kind of felt like it was right over the corner of a
golf course of some kind, with a street running down one side, and they
are fairly close to that.
In fact, the bricked area that I looked at or like a patio thing kinda
looks like a walkway. Seems like there's small building - small meaning
not tall - looks like a single story building. Looks like it has a flat
roof - slightly pitched. Looks like 4 x 4 poles supporting it - has a
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canopy out over it. They're painted white, place looks like very possible
light yellow or cream color.
They're walking not too far from that. Still seems to me that they're
on a dirt pathway.
In the area that they're in now I get flowers again - where before they
kinda fell out of the flowers.
Looks like maybe 80-100 yards from where they are - looks like 2 guys
on a motor scooter. They can see them.
WHAT WOULD YOU SAY IS THE INTEREST TO THIS PLACE? WHAT'S SPECIAL ABOUT
THIS PLACE?
It seems to be a kind of a recreational, relaxed... not energetic - looks
more relaxed. I'd say it's kind of combination recreational and relaxation
area that I'm getting out of it.
Two aspects - one is aesthetics and the other is a kind of a mild recre-
ational area.
There seem to be some unique features - I don't have it totally into
context as yet. There's a number of things that I've rejected - looked
at and rejected saying.
First, I got the impression that it was kind of like a miniature golf
course - I rejected that. Merely from saying it.- I didn't reject the
principle - I just rejected saying it.
Then I kind of got the idea of a standard golf course - I also rejected
that on the same principle, so I'm just trying to describe the terrain.
Seems expansive - doesn't seem cluttered.
Just got a flash of something that reminded me of the gyroscope - gimbals
on the gyroscope.
Drinking fountain - looks like it's made out of kinda like field stone
built up into a fountain... bowl.
I'm going to elevate again and go through a search quadrant again.
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I still get them in that general location, so that seems to set all right.
Distance - maybe a mile, mile and a half. Doesn't seem much farther-
seems fairly close.
The area has an awful lot of grass, lot of trees - looks like dirt walk-
ways, well trimmed. I can see the arbor, and the arbor could be a place
to sit and be out of the direct sun.
That outlooks over quite a grassy area - there are quite a few trees.
I see basically an oak.
Right after they got out of the car I could see some eucalyptus buds
and branches on the ground, and it seemed like the trees were there.
Looked like they got out of the car, stepped upon a curb, dirt parkway,
a sidewalk, and then they went into this area.
I get the feeling this windmill type thing - that all seems fairly real.
The feeling is still that it's relaxing and has some recreational aspects -
I just haven't put it totally together as to giving it a name.
Right now I get a very strong impression of flowers again.
It seems like right now they're back to right where I originally spotted
them only they're going in the opposite direction - like they're moving
toward the direction they originally went.
While they were there they walked on several pathways - walked out quite
a ways, then swung over and come over and worked around and looked at...
One peculiar thing I might note - so far I haven't sensed, seen nor heard
an airplane.
Cars seem quite distant - outside of that little motor scooter affair
with the two guys on it. That's about the only vehicular traffic I've
seen - except out in the parking lot.
It seems like to me that they've got most of their attention off what
they were looking at and they've got their attention more on the car
now.
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I want to look and find out what the significant thing was that Bart
was talking about.
There's something quite unusual there and I ... Damned if I can pick it
up.
WAS HAL DOING ANYTHING BESIDES WALKING ALONG - WAS THERE ANY ACTIVITY
FOR HAL TO DO?
Most of the time I was looking at Hal,he was kind of listening to Bart
and Bart was pointing out a number of things.
Part of the time Bart was walking with Hal; part of the time he was back
by Judy.
When I first saw them, it was Bart in the front on the left side, Hal
was on his right, Judy was slightly behind - almost between Bart and
Hal but behind, and Phyllis to her right.
They wandered around but the first time I picked up - they were that
way.
When they were coming back, they just about reversed. Bart would be in
front. When they were coming back, it looked like Bart was in front
with Phyllis, and Judy was walking more behind Bart and Hal on her right
when they were coming back out of there.
They're actually at the car.
2:30 SHALL WE GO DOWNSTAIRS AND SEE HOW THEY'RE DOING?
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