BRIEFING TOTHE UNDER SECRETARY OF THE ARMY, 6 FEBRUARY 1985

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• Publication Date: February 11, 1985
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DEPARTMENT OF THE ARMY
US ARMY INTELLIGENCE AND SECURITY COMMAND
FORT GEORGE G. MEADE, MARYLAND 20755
MEMORANDUM THRU ADCSOPS-HUMINT, USAINSCOM
DCG-S, USAINSCOM
FOR CC, USAINSCOM
Il_ February 1985
SUBJECT: Briefing to the Under Secretary of the Army, 6
February 1985 (U)
1. (S/CL.-3/NOFORN) On 6 February 1985, from 1505 to 1540
hours, LTC Brian Buzby and CPT(P) William Ray, INSCOM CENTER
LANE Project: (ICLP) accompanied LTG William Odom, ACSI, DA, to a
briefing for the Under Secretary of the Army, the Honorable
James R. Ambrose, on the status of ICLP. The Under Secretary's
interest in ICLP was renewed because of an inquiry to him from
Secretary of the Army Marsh who in turn had been asked a
question by Senator Claiborne Pell on Army involvement in
psychoenergetics. Prior to the briefing to the Under Secretary,
prebriefing was presented to LTG Odom. Present at the
prehriefing were LTG Odom; BC Shufelt, Deputy ACSI; COL Foley,
Chief, DAMI-ISH; MAJ Rawley, ICLP Action Officer, DAMI-ISH, LTC
Buzby and CPT Ray. Present at the briefing of the Under
Secretary were LTG Odom, LTC Buzby, MAJ Rawley and CPT Ray.
2. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) The briefing began with a discussion
between Mr. Ambrose and LTG Odom on the work of Dr. Robert Jahn,
Princeton University, and whother or not INSCOM had conducted
any work to validate Dr. Jahn's theories on remote viewing. LTG
Odom replied that INSCOM had not completed any work on the Jahn
theories, but MG Rapmund, CC, US Army Medical.- Research and
Development Command (USAMRDC) was now an active participant in
the field and that he planned to award an R&D contract 'to
SRI-International, which would include a subcontract to Dr.
Jahn. LTC Buzhy then briefed the Under Secretary on the status
of ICLP since 13 July 1984 when the decision was made to end
USAINSCOM involvement in intelligence collection using
psychoenergetics. Attached as inclosures 1 and 2 are copies of
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information papers prepared to support the briefing. Although
the papers were not provided to either the ACSI or the Under
Secretary, the information in them was briefed.
3. (U) The Under Secretary asked several questions during the
course of the briefing. Those questions and the answers
provided follow.
a. (S-CL--2/NOFORN) Why did you meet with MG Rapmund on 1
August? (The question was prompted by an earlier -statement in
which the Under Secretary was informed that the ICLP would have
no direct role with the USAMRDC.) LTC Buzby replied that the
meeting was initiated based on the belief at the, time that there
would be a direct relationship between the R&D program and the
applied program.
b. (S-CL-2/NOFORN) What is the difficulty with NFIP/GDIP
funding? LTC Buzby summarized the history of Congressional
prohibitions against the use of NFIP resources to support
psychoenergetic activities within DoD, and explained the DIA
position on the use of TIARA resources.
c. (S--CL-2/NOFORN) How many spaces does DIA want for the
program? LTC Buzby answered 12.
d. (S-CL-2/NOFORN) Why 12? That was the number of people
in the program at the time the decision for cancellation was
made. There are now nine people that will. transfer with the
program to DIA.
e. (S-CL-2/NOFORN) What is the minimum number of people
necessary to keep this program active whereby a capability to
respond to requirements from "time to time" exists? LTC Buzby
answered two. LTG Odom then provided rationale for the decision
to attach INSCOM. personnel to DIA for the remainder of FY 85.
He emphasized the point that if DIA did not obtain the necessary
resources to support the program by 30 September 1.985, it would
be "dead".
E. (S/CL-2/NOFORN) What is MG Lary's interest in the
field? LTC Buzby provided the background that led up to the
briefing to MG Lary. (Note: See IAGPA-F-SD memorandum dated 29
January 1985, which provides details on that briefing.)
g. (S-CL-2/NOFORN) Is there a positive result from your
collection efforts, and how was your information evaluated? LTC
Buzby stated the ICLP position that intelligence information
collected through remote viewing was accurate and of use to the
intelligence community. Intelligence consumers provided
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evaluations that were the basis for the preceding statement. He
also provided a brief overview of a collection project using
remote viewing in support of the NSA that pointed out the value
of this collection technique for cuing other intelligence
collection systems. LTG Odom replied that he did not agree with
the evaluation process, and ghat there is a tendency for
intelligence consurirers to encourage the collectors they use.
(S-CL-2/NOFORN) If ICLP was providing useful.
information, then why did INSCOM cancel the program? LTG Odom
told the tinder Secretary that he made the decision to end
INSCOM's involvement with psychoenergeti.cs because he was not
satisfied that the technique was an appropriate intelligence
collection tool, he believed that the phenomena should be
validated before it Is applied as 'an intelligence collection
tool, and that there was an oversight problem dealing with the
human use issue.
h. (S/CL-2/NOFORN) Why is Senator Pell interested in the
field? LTG Odom stated that Senator Pell believes that remote
viewing can be used to verify compliance with arms control
treaties. (Note: Senator Pell is a member of the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee. He received a DIA/INSCOM GRILL FLAME
briefing on 29 September 1982.)
4. (S/CL-2/NOFORN) Under Secretary Ambrose appeared to be
satisfied with the information provided to him in the briefing
and in response to his questions. The only requirement levied
was a request from Mr. Ambrose to notify MG Rapmund that he
would want to discuss psychoenergetics with him in the near
future. LTG Odom accepted the tasking for action. On 7
February 1985 LTC Buzby notified LTC Roger Bennett, USAMRDC POC
for psychoenergetics, about the briefing and Mr. Ambrose`s
interest in meeting with MG Rapmund.
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CENTER LANE Project Manager
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