COMMENTS MADE AT 13 FEBRUARY 1979 SESSION OF HOUSE STANDING INTELLIGENCE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE (U)

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SUBJECT: Comments made at 13 February 1979 Session of House Standing
Intelligence Oversight Committee (U)
1. (U) Those present at the session other than those staff members:
DoD Personnel Present
Congressman Boland - Chairman Presenters
Congressman Rose Sponsor
Congressman Whitehurst Dr. Verona Dr.. Targ
Congressman Robinson Mr. Hamilton Dr. Puthoff
Congressman McClary Mr. Kramar
Congressman Minenta
2. (S-ORCON) The writer's recollection of the session follows:
? Congressman Rose gave an introduction to the committee on remote
viewing and stated "I am glad this is classified and believe it should stay
classified."
? Russell Targ presented an overview of SRI's RV work.
? Harold Puthoff presented an illustrative history of RV work by SRI.
? Jack Verona presented some "ground truth" photographic information
on two sites used by SRI.
s Q&A and statements as I can recall were:
Boland Q: This Swann, what about him, how old is he?
A: About 45, College Graduate, Korea, UN Clerk,
Artist (Smithsonian).
Boland Q: Noticed that the two trials (of Price) which were poorly
matched were furthest away --
A: Fortuitious, no correlation overall --
Robinson Q: Is there a lot of time between experiments, what
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preparation ---?
A: About 2 per day, each trial about (1.5 minutes, with
C~ $ about a 5-minute preparatory time.
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Robinson Q: What kind of preparation?
A: Relax, smoke, drink coffee - no hypnosis, etc.
Mineuta Q: Kirlia:n. photographic techniques?
A: Aura resulting from ironization of Nitrogen - no known
relationship to physic pehnomena.
Rose For the record: I asked Stansfield Tunner what his agency
was going to do with this and he replied that they planned
to do nothing as they didn't know how to make it operable.
His working level people stated that their superiors don't
support using it because overhead photos give better
resolution; but, how do they read contents of files and
drawers?
Whiteurst Q: Can you crossmatch the output of several psychics?
A: Yes, and a better description usually results.
Whitehurst Q: What is the maximum amount of funds you have received
in any one year.
A: $150K, once with overlap $200K, have a $400K budget
one-half supported by SRI overhead.
Rose Q: Any other contractors in the US working on?
A: Not that they know of.
Q: Where do you get the other $200K, Is it easy?
A: Doesn't come easy, now it is up to us to fish or cut
bait, one psy+s'.i c,i st is working at one-half pay
because he believes that there is a future in this
Any private funding for you.
A: $55K at one time from McDonald of McDonald-Douglass
on SALT.
Rose For the record: McDonald has talked to me on this and he
is willing to testify to any congressional group any time
in support of this.
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Rose This is the first time that this has been presented to
Congress.
Whitehurst Q: Are you familiar with the Edgar Cayce Foundation - what
do you think of it? It is in my district.
A: Read the books, - generally limited to medical diagnosis,
seems believable, know several who have visited there
and believe it is real; however, don't really know
how to top it for this.
Rose Q: What is the extent of CIA, DIA and NSA work in this area?
A: CIA sponsored originally -- got out in 1974 due to fear
of wrongly connecting it with other efforts. Now only
have one contract with an academician-researcher looking
at SRI protocol.
Whitehurst These are minuscule amounts.
Q: What would you do with $5 million per year versus the
$200K you now get?
A: More subjects in parallel, more laboratories.
Q: Where does most of your dollars go?
A: Salaries.
We have scoped out a $1 million per year program.
Rose Q: What is the Soviet effort in this area?
A: Little specifically known since 1967.
Little known about RV.
Most seems to be in mind control and telepathy.
Estimate (from DIA/CIA) is SU spends $10-20 million per year.
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what is your level of support?
A: ZERO after 1 April (Aware of Army contracting effort).
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es1des SRI are working on this?
A: Only maybe Dr. Jahn at Princeton (Hamilton answered).
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SUBJECT: Comments made at 13 February 1979 Session of House Standing
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Boland
Q:
A:
Out of the population, how many can do this?
Out of 30 we tested, only a few couldn't
Rose:
Q:
A:
Dr. Verona, how thoroughly have you checked them
out?
We reviewed their credentials, reviewed their work
and found no problems.
Writer: We independently tried their technique and got promising
results totally independent of their efforts.
SRI's current funds are from Army Systems Analysis as
opposed to intelligence as previously mentioned.
Hf I W. KRAMAR
Assistant Director for Systems
Effectiveness and Joint Service
Activities
P.S. Congressman Rose's comment to the writer after the session -
three of these men are on the House Armed Service Appropria-
tions Committee and you didn't have one dissenting vote.
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