REMOTE VIEWING: PARAPSYCHOLOGICAL POTENTIAL FOR INTELLIGENCE COLLECTION?

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Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL REMOTE VIEWING: PARAPSYCHOLOGICAL POTENTIAL FOR INTELLIGENCE COLLECTION? by Michael E. Zarbo Captain, United States Army Graduate Class 9201 Thesis submitted to the Faculty of the Defense Intelligence College in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the degree of Master of Science of Strategic Intelligence November 1992 The views expressed in this paper are those of the author and do not reflect the official policy or position of the Department of Defense or the US Government SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET /NOFORN/WN I NTEL TABLE OF CONTENTS Page LIST OF FIGURES ..........................................vii Chapter 1. INTRODUCTION ....................................2 Riddled With Controversy .......................5 Early US interest ..............................6 2. THE SOVIET ADVANTAGE ............................15 Marked Differences ............................. 15 Historical Perspective .........................19 Mind Over Matter ...............................27 3. HUBRIS IN THE US GOVERNMENT PERSPECTIVE? ........ 32 A Need to Believe? .............................33 Stanford Research Institute (SRI) Tests ........ 36 4. AN INTELLIGENCE TOOL? ...........................50 Political and Military Applications ............ 50 5. CONCLUSION ...................................... 76 What We Don't Know Could Hurt Us! ..............76 Insurmountable Obstacles? ......................78 BIBLIOGRAPHY ........................................88 SECRET/NOFORN/YNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Page 1 Photographs and remote viewer's drawings of targets contained in 35mm film canisters, Stanford Research Institute, Menlo Park, CA. 21 June 1979 ...................................... 41 2 Photograph and remote viewer's drawing of a Research and Development site in the Soviet Union, Spring 1977 ................................ 56 3 Remote viewer's drawing of water fountain at Washington Square in New York City, 6 July 1976 .............................................. 62 4 Remote viewer's drawing of an airport in San Andres, Colombia, March 1976 ...................... 63 5 Remote viewer's drawing of a merry-go-round March 1976 ........................................ 64 6 Remote viewer's drawing of tennis courts March 1976 ........................................ 65 7 Remote viewer's drawing of typewriter target March 1976 ......................................... 66 8 Remote viewer's drawing of video monitor March 1976 ........................................ 69 9 Remote viewer's drawing of xerox machine March 1976 ........................................ 70 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL (U) Remote viewing could be a potentially profitable intelligence collection tool if accepted as valid by those who have the power to promote its research. Blindly overlooking the persuasive experimental data that this phenomenon has yielded on numerous occasions could equate, from a counterintelligence perspective, to disregarding a potentially '5~;ngerous threat. This study is not designed to persuade the reader that this phenomenon is absolute, but rather to bring to light, that in time, through continued study and application of this phenomenon, it could prove a worthwhile collection tool. (U) Research in this area is at a standstill in the United States. The general premise, threaded throughout this paper, is that a great majority of professionals from government, military,-_ and academic circles are reluctant to accept this phenomenon, regardless of significant findings. The fear of humiliation for accepting something which so strongly cuts across the lines of conventional wisdom appears to be the overriding reason. This paper illustrates, through informed opinions of prominent government, military, and SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL academic officials, the roller coaster of differing attitudes this phenomenon has weathered over time. (U) While this study addresses the inherent short comings of this phenomenon, it also uncovers a great deal of credible information in the form of experimental test procedures and results, interviews with reputable authorities, and suggestions for employing this phenomenon, which if ever accepted, could contribute to acceptance of remote viewing as an intelligence force multiplier. SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL You're travelling through another dimension. A dimension, not only of sight, and sound, but of mind. A journey into a wonderous land whose boundaries are that of the imagination. Rod Serling "The Twilight Zone" (U) During the course of researching this topic, chosen prior to the break up of the Soviet Union, much of the information obtained applies to what today exists as the Commonwealth of Independent States. For clarity's sake, readers should know that in those cases where the events addressed occurred prior to August 1991, the terms Soviet Union and Soviet are used to indicate the nation which existed at that time. SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL INTRODUCTION (U) The field of parapsychology is large, encompassing numerous independent topics, therefore, this thesis will focus on the study of telepathic clairvoyance, recently termed "remote viewing" by Stanford Research Institute (SRI) scientists Harold Puthoff and Russell Targ. Benjamin B. Wolman author of Handbook of Parapsychology defines remote viewing as an experience, either spontaneous or induced, in which one's center of consciousness seems to be in a spatial location separate from that of one's physical body.' Other commonly used synonyms include astral projection, and out-of- body-experience. In research conducted under the sponsorship of the former Soviet Union, the Russians, who study this concept seriously, believe that when it is finally developed, remote viewing will allow an operator in one location to gather intelligence information from another area, up to several thousand kilometers away, without ever leaving the security of his initial location. This collection is not conducted with the aid of electronic equipment, but strictly by mental processes. (U) Research shows that the US does not consider remote viewing a viable threat. More importantly, the US has SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL consistently overlooked remarkable experimental data which illustrates that remote viewing could also prove an invaluable complimentary intelligence collection asset. (U) Parapsychology is a controversial phenomenon both among the general public and in respected academic circles. The most striking hypothesis threaded throughout my research, is that parapsychological data, no mater how convincing, is frequently dismissed as superstitious hocus pocus and nonsense. This paper will illustrate that the intelligence community, schooled to "think red," should focus on the potential value this phenomenon has demonstrated on numerous occasions. (U) The biggest obstacle in the path to further research, which has plagued this branch of inquiry since the 1920s, is the intelligence community's reluctance to accept remote viewing. It appears to threaten their conventional beliefs, and many people associated with this controversial issue are labelled charlatans or freaks. I personally encountered this skepticism during my research for this paper. Many of the people I approached with the hope of obtaining leads or information met me with raised eyebrows and disdainful smirks. SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET / NOFORN / WILT I NTEL (U) The current umbrella of intelligence disciplines; Signals Intelligence; Imagery Intelligence; newly introduced Measurement and Signature Intelligence; and Human Intelligence are considered sufficient by the intelligence community to adequately meet our intelligence collection needs. However, what if a force multiplier could be added that could substantially enhance this overall collection umbrella? Available evidence is increasingly persuasive that such a multiplier may indeed exist in the form of remote viewing. In addition, if such a multiplier does exist, it stands to reason that steps toward preparing defensive countermeasures would merit the concern of the counterintelligence community. However, interest in demonstrating its potential has seriously subsided in the US since the mid 1970s. (U) The importance and ramifications of remote viewing to the field of intelligence if used by an opposing force could be monumental. Consider the following scenario: On the modern battlefield the opposition might have the ability to retrieve intricate battle plans from a US tactical operations center far enough in advance to plan a counterattack to squash an upcoming operation. The US force would be placed at a serious disadvantage at best, and utterly defeated in the worst case. To take it a step further, let us suggest that SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL the opposition could obtain this information in advance undetected, regardless of stringent security. The final blow: There is apparently no serious effort underway by the US Government to counter this possibility. (U) The two major subcategories of parapsychology are ?X1rasensory perception (ESP) and psychokinesis (PK).2 The phenomenon of remote viewing falls within ESP and pertains to the acquisition and description, by mental means, of information blocked from ordinary perception by distance or shielding, and generally considered to be secure.3 (U) According to Robert A. Monroe, author of the landmark book Journeys Out of the Body, which he based on several years of personal out-of-body experiences, remote viewing includes events in which the exp.eriencer (1) seems to perceive some portion of some environment which could not possibly be perceived from where his physical body is known to be at the time; and (2) knows at the time that he is not dreaming or fantasizing because the person experiencing this event maintains normal consciousness.4 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL (U) Ray Hyman, professor of psychology at the University of Oregon and author of Psychological Inquiry, defines remote viewing as an incident when a subject is able to describe a target site even though he has no sensory basis for doing so. This can be achieved by giving the subject the longitude and latitude of any place on the globe, or by sending a team of observers, who act as a conduit for the remote viewer, to a randomly selected site that is unknown to the subject.5 (S/NF) US national security agencies have been interested in remote viewing since at least world War II when Hitler reportedly relied on astrologers and seers for intelligence information. Approximately 50 years later the government still cannot disprove that psychic phenomena is something to be taken seriously. The FY 1992 Defense Authorization Act tasked the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) to initiate an aggressive study on anomalous phenomena. The FY 1992 Act directs "a continued robust effort to evaluate the activities of foreign governments, particularly the activities of the Soviet Union."6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET /NOFORN/WN INTEL SG1A (U) According to William J. Broad, a New York Times reporter, US concern over Russian interest in paranormal phenomena was nothing new. His article, "The Pentagon is Said to Focus on ESP for Wartime," claimed that in 1977 President Carter ordered the Central Intelligence Agency to "conduct a high-level review of psychic research behind the Iron Curtain in an attempt to assess a possible Soviet threat."7 (U) However, Admiral Stansfield Turner, CIA director appointed by President Carter, was a self-confessed skeptic of parapsychology and Carter's tasking was never taken seriously. Turner once remarked, "twenty years from now, I may wonder how I could be so dumb as to question the evidence for psychic phenomena, but then again, I may feel the same way I do now."' (S/NF) Ronald McRea, in his article "Psychic Warfare," SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL which appeared in the October 1981 issue of The Investigator, claimed that the US Navy, as early as 1952, was the first armed service to look into employing psychics, in an attempt to enhance its efforts to locate Soviet submarines.9 Also in 1952 the Department of Defense received information on the possible usefulness of ESP in psychological warfare.10 In 1961, because of mounting interest in paranormal phenomena, the CIA's Office of Technical Service commissioned the Director of the Parapsychological Laboratory at oxford University in London to review the validity of ESP. The project, codenamed ULTRA, claimed that ESP was demonstrated but not understood or controllable. The report was read with interest at the CIA but produced no further action." This inaction by the US military reflected their reluctance to accept something of this magnitude which so strongly ran counter to their innate conservatism. (U) Nevertheless, in time, Congress and the military, namely Military Intelligence, demonstrated increased concern over the concept of remote viewing and psychic warfare during the early 1970s. This concern focused on the fear that the US was losing the "race of psychic supremacy" to the Soviets. Moreover, it was also during this time that the US news media and noteworthy scientific journals such as Nature, Science, SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL and Proceedings of the IEE (Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers) started to seriously address psychic issues.12 In addition, conferences organized by reputable scientific bodies, and attended by high-ranking military and government officials, started to reexamine the laissez-faire attitude of the US toward psychic phenomena. (U) It was also during the 1970s that Stanford Research Institute scientists Harold Puthoff and Russell Targ convinced some within the intelligence community, through numerous controlled experiments, that remote viewing should not be overlooked as a collection tool: (U) In these experiments, a psychologist would sit with a "psychic" subject in a laboratory, while another scientist would stand at an unknown site, sometimes several kilometers away. The subject would attempt to describe the site, of which he had no prior knowledge. In many cases the scientists said, these descriptions -- of objects as large as clock towers and as small as pins -- were remarkably accurate, the evident result of some telepathic mental process not yet understood.13 (U) However, since the 1970s, when support for remote viewing reached its apex, its more recent examination has been marked by a roller coaster of attitudes, from overwhelming ridicule to reluctant attempts at understanding it. Some have even tried to exercise the sketchy knowledge uncovered. SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL (U) Dr. Edgar M. Johnson, Technical Director and Chief Psychologist for the US Army, claims that the overriding reason why research for parapsychology is at a standstill is that there is no theoretical basis put forward on why we would expect to find the existence of paranormal phenomena. This, he claims, is a more damning fault than not having the data. According to Dr. Johnson: (U) After 30 or 40 years of, sustained support in this area there still is not very convincing data. You can only pursue a dream so long. In many cases phenomena have explanations based on known physical principles, so one tendency is, if we see something unusual, we conclude that it must have an unusual explanation. The problem with parapsychology is that it has no explanation, unusual or otherwise.14 SG1J (U) Chief of Special Projects for the Defense Intelligence Agency, holds a bachelor's degree in aeronautical engineering, and a master's degree in physics. He has spent fifteen years following the progression of world- wide parapsychological research. He has also been actively involved, in what he refers to as "hands-on experimentation" in the US. In fact, he is the person most referred to, by many of the people consulted for information on this topic, as the intelligence community's premier source on paranormal phenomena. He counters Dr. Johnson's opinion on this issue: SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL (U) Because of my background, I look at things from a scientific perspective, fully realizing that not all science can be explained in advance by theory. Some science has got to be evolved and determined through the empirical, or the 'getting- the-hands-dirty approach.' Over my fifteen years of study in this area I have noted strong correlations, too striking, and well beyond chance, even when you rule in coincidences and other types of factors. This phenomenon is not totally predictable, but then again, what is totally predictable in the human side of things, particularly when you are looking at psychological factors? Therefore, why should we expect an area like this to yield direct, easy answers when you first encounter it? It does not work that wax, but it does not invalidate the basic phenomenon.5 (U) Nevertheless, an overwhelming number of government and military officials still appear to fear humiliation for accepting the existence of psychic phenomena. However, an intelligent general public, with nothing to lose, appears to overwhelmingly believe. According to a poll conducted by the CBS News program 48 Hours, which aired on 8 February 1990, Dan Rather conceded, "Nearly two-thirds of Americans believe in ESP or mental telepathy and 25 percent said they had personally experienced so called 'paranormal' phenomena."16 (U) This paper addresses this phenomena which still defies explanation. However, due to the secretive nature of this topic and the promise to protect the sensitivity of current programs and the anonymity of some sources consulted, reporting the totality of current research is not possible. SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Therefore, the information in this paper includes only that which several US government sources involved in this sensitive research deemed releasable during the summer and fall of 1992. Nevertheless, the data provided will contribute to better informed judgements about whether this branch of inquiry deserves a further look for possible application in an intelligence gathering capacity. (U) Chapter 2 addresses the alleged Soviet advances in this field, Chapter 3 details the research conducted in the US, Chapter 4 focuses on the potential that remote viewing has as an intelligence collection tool, and counterintelligence threat, and Chapter 5 posits conclusions based on the previous 4 chapters. SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL NOTES 1. Benjamin B. Wolman, ed., Handbook of Parapsychology (New York: Van Nostrand Reinhold Company, 1977), 929. 2. Richard S. Broughton, Ph.D., Parapsychology: The Controversial Science (New York: Ballantine Books, 1991), 6. 3. Russell Targ and Harold E. Puthoff. Remote Viewing Replication, Evaluated by Concept Analysis. (Menlo Park, CA: Radio Physics Laboratory, Stanford Research Institute, 1982), 3. 4. Monroe, Robert'A. Journeys Out of the Body. (Garden City, New York: Doubleday & Company, Inc., 1971), 7. SG1A 5. Ray Hyman, "Psychics and Scientists: Mind-Reach and Remote viewing." The Humanist, 36, no.3, May/June'1977, 16. 7. William J. Broad. "Pentagon is Said to Focus on ESP for Wartime Use." New York Times, 10 January 1984, sec.C,1. 8. Ronald M. McRea. Mind Wars: The True Story of Government Research into the Military Potential of Psychic Weapons. (New York: St. Martin's Press, 1984), 35. 9. Ronald McRea and Susan Merrow, "Psychic Warfare," The Investigator, October 1981, 60. 10. (SECRET/NOFORN) Central Intelligence Agency. "Parapsychology in Intelligence: A Personal Review and Conclusions." Studies in Intelligence. TR-SINT 77-001, 21, no.1, Spring 1977, 7. 11. (SECRET/NOFORN) Central Intelligence Agency. "Parapsychology in Intelligence: A Personal Review and Conclusions." Studies in Intelligence. TR-SINT 77-001, 21, no. 1, Spring 1977, 8. 12. Charles Wallach, "The Science of Psychic Warfare," Journal of Defense Diplomacy, 3, no.9 (September 1985), 39. 13. Christopher Hansen "Superpowers Said to be Studying Psychic Phenomena for Military Use." Reuters North European Service, 12 November 1985. SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL SG1J 14. Edgar M. Johnson, PH.D. Technical Director and Chief Psychologist, US Army. Interview conducted by author at the US Army Research Institute (ARI) for the Behavioral and Social Sciences, 21 October 1992. 15. Chief of Special Projects Office (DTI-S), Defense Intelligence Agency. Interview conducted by the author at the Defense Intelligence Agency, 26 October, 1992. 16. "Psychics and Skeptics," 48 Hours, narr. Dan Rather, CBS News, 8 February 1990. SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL (U) The Soviets are working on dramatically exotic new weapons, twenty-five years ahead of anything ever conceived in the US--so awesome as to lead the Soviets to believe that in the coming decade they would be capable of total neutralization of our ballistic and submarine missiles.17 Major General George J. Keegan Former Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence United States Airforce 1977 (U) Historically, scientists from the former Soviet Union researched paranormal phenomena from a more empirical standpoint than the US. They generally accepted that this phenomena was explainable through controlled experiments along the same lines as biology and physiology. In contrast, the US tried to prove that paranormal phenomena does not deserve the same serious inquiry as do the hard sciences. (U) The results of these two conflicting philosophies has lead to a well-organized, well-disciplined parapsychology program in the former Soviet Union as opposed to a splintered, SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL unorganized program in the US. Additionally, the Soviets' regard for parapsychology as a science added legitimacy for their policymakers to sanction and fund paranormal research. (S/NF) In addition to these differences in philosophical approaches there exist stark differences in the experimental techniques used by former Soviet and US researchers. In the US the subject, or remote viewer, is in a completely normal, conscious state. The Russians reportedly rely heavily on hypnotism, biofeedback, yoga, and drugs to induce trances and trance-like states. 18 (U) Seriousness in the former Soviet Union about paranormal phenomena is evidenced by a 25 to 50-year advantage in research. Addressing this contrast in approaches regarding paranormal research, US Army Medical Service Corps Captain Richard Groller stated in 1984: (U) The general premise in this country regarding parapsychological phenomena has been, "First prove to me that it exists, then I'll believe it." Counter to this has been the basic Soviet premise regarding parapsychology phenomena which is, "We believe that something exists that has no normal, rational, explanation--let us investigate it.1119 (U) Captain Groller's outlook still applies today in the US. Dr. Edgar M. Johnson, Technical Director and Chief SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL 16 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Psychologist at the US Army Institute for Behavioral and Social Sciences (ARI), questioned about this perspective in October of 1992, answered: (U) Why would we expect it to exist? Where are the principles on which it should operate? whether or not you can find it, what is the theoretical basis that leads us to believe it is there? An example of what I mean, in military context, is the creation of the first atom bomb. We spent several billion dollars building it, but at the end of its construction, it worked. There was a theoretical basis for believing that, if we did things a certain way, the results were predictable. There is no theoretical basis for believing that remote viewing, ESP, and other parapsychological skills should exist. We do not know the theory that says it should be there. Moreover, we do not know of any body of data that supports its existence.20 (U) When questioned on the issue of parapsychology SG1J lacking a theoretical basis for existence, provided a counterpoint: (U) This has not been too much of a concern from my point of view, although it's bothering. I have been caught up in a lot of the quantum physics issues and concepts in the parapsychological area, but there are topics from conventional physics that have no real good clear explanation even today, yet we accept them readily. One example is gravity. While it is certainly proven and highly repeatable time after time, everybody accepts the fact that there is something called gravity, but what is unknown about gravity is exactly how does it work? SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL 17 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL What is the mechanism? Is there an action at a distance, and if so, how? No one, so far, has actually measured and detected a graviton, although this is the speculative particle for how such action at a distance should work. So, once you think about gravity in this light, given the fact that there are some elegant theories that have been developed to explain how it behaves, it still does not explain how gravity reaches out into the universe and causes these interactions. The graviton is as elusive today as it was when it was speculated decades ago, so, given the fact that we do not fully understand such readily accepted things as gravity, I do not have any particular difficulty, psychologically, 'in not being able to explain ESP. The fact that there is no theoretical model for this phenomenon should not be a deterrent to striving to find what that theoretical base is, or even more practically, trying to apply the phenomenon 21 (U) Thus, while the former Soviet Union has apparently been able to steadily continue its parapsychological research unburdened by philosophy, research in the US has been hindered by a lack of philosophical consensus. Almost a decade has gone by since Captain Groller estimated the strategic threat posed by Soviet remote viewing research: (U) In time, the Soviets may be able to learn the contents of top secret documents, trace the movements of our troops and ships, and know the location and nature of our military installations. Additionally, the Soviets may be able to mold the thoughts of key US military and civilian leaders from a distance, cause the instant death of any US Army official at a distance, and disable US SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL 18 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL military equipment of all types including spacecraft.22 (U) The former Soviets' seriousness was also indicated in a report prepared by the Congressional Research Service, an arm of the Library of Congress. This report states that Soviet spending on parapsychological related phenomena throughout the 1980s resulted in tens of millions of dollars spent annually. By contrast, total funding for parapsychological research in the US did not exceed $500,000 annually, with most of the money coming from foundations and other private sources.23 HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE (S) Russian and, later, Soviet parapsychological research is traceable back to world war I, when the Institute of Brain Research in Petrograd was formed. The founder, V.M. Bechterev, promoted investigation into this phenomenon by forming a Commission for the Study of Mental Suggestion. In 1924, as a result of positive findings at the Brain Research Institute, the Second All-Russian Congress of Psychoneurology recommended additional research into the study of the SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL paranormal and formed the Society for Neurology, Reflexology, Hypnotism and Biophysics.24 (S) In the 1930s, L.L. Vasilyev, a protegee of Bechterev, was commissioned with the task of uncovering the mysticism associated with telepathy. The results of his findings, not published until early 1960, apparently revealed some eye-opening findings, because during the same year, Vasilyev formed a new group to study telepathy within the Physiology and Biology Department of Leningrad University.25 (U) Nevertheless, while the subject was afforded more respect in the USSR than the US, it was not always the case throughout the 20th century. Up until the late 1950s, parapsychology was looked upon in the former USSR with skepticism and indifference because of no "hard" scientific data. Actually, what only amounted to little more than the stern ostracism by the orthodox US scientific community toward Americans pursuing parapsychology, was severe by comparison in the Soviet Union. Because Marxist philosophy claimed that history was determined by material reality, Stalin, a staunch opponent of anomalous study, considered scientists who dabbled in it as heretics. Their penalty was either death by firing squad, or a one-way ticket to Siberia. Therefore, research prior to the death of Stalin in 1953 was conducted underground SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL by curious scientists, without government sanctions, who provided their own funding and facilities.26 (U) However, in 1960, spurred by popular press reports of Party Chairman Brezhnev's affiliation with a psychic healer, as well by a French press report that the US was conducting telepathic sub-to-shore experiments from the US Navy submarine Nautilus, located at the North Pole, the Soviets reevaluated their own interests in mental telepathy. Although later revealed as untrue, this press report caused quite a stir in the Soviet Union and acted as a catalyst for its own paranormal research. Reportedly, this bogus Nautilus episode prompted the Soviets to conduct their own sub-to-shore experiment. Ronald M. McRea recounts in his book Mind Wars: The True Story of Government Research into the Military Potential of Psychic Weapons that the Soviets implanted electrodes deep inside the brain of a mother rabbit who had just given birth.27 While observing the behavior of the mother rabbit in a laboratory on the shore, the newly born babies were taken out to sea in a submarine. The Soviets noted that at each synchronized time that a baby rabbit was intentionally butchered, a sharp reaction in the mother rabbit's brain was recorded by the electrodes. The Soviets concluded the experiment a success because the signals from SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL the electrodes revealed that communication had taken place between the mother rabbit and her displaced babies. This experiment was viewed as a response to Party philosophy of not falling behind in any area of research no matter how little understood. (S/NF) Soviet difficulties in remote viewing research surfaced in 1973 at a parapsychology conference in Prague, Czechoslovakia. Questions asked by Soviet scientists indicated that they were trying to learn as much as possible about western work without revealing the extent of their own research. Their inquiry also reflected that they were encountering some problems with emotional reactions on the part of their psychic subjects, and that they considered remote viewing to be the most promising area of parapsychology.28 Subsequently, two visiting Soviets in the US, a space systems engineer and a cosmonaut, sought out US scientists with strong backgrounds in remote viewing research. Although these two Soviets tried to present themselves in a nonchalant, uninterested demeanor when asking specific questions about the status and progress of US remote viewing research, their well-rehearsed agenda of questions indicated that they had been well briefed on items of interest to their homeland. Specifically, they were interested in the SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL following: methods of inducing trance-like states, and whether machines or the techniques of suggestion, hypnosis, special training, or repeated practice, were used in training personnel to use "abnormal" abilities.29 (S/NF) The Central Intelligence Agency concluded from these attempts by the Soviets to collect information on remote viewing that: (S/NF) The Soviets either had encountered research difficulties or were trying to gain expertise from US researchers, or trying to acquire details about what they believed to be a large, covert research program. Nevertheless, the Soviets believed that US researchers had experimental expertise that would significantly benefit the Soviet program.30 SG1 B (U) Possibly illustrative of former Soviet resolve to cash in on using the power of the mind, is the mysterious bombardment of microwaves on the US Embassy in Moscow 1975 and 1976. One probable reason for this bombardment appears to be that the microwaves were used to make detection of Soviet SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL listening devices extremely difficult, or that they were being used as an electronic countermeasure to jam US electronic eavesdropping equipment in the embassy. Another, much less conventional, hypothesis offered by Martin Ebon in his book, Psychic Warfare: Threat or Illusion?, is that the Soviets were using this radiation to effect mind-changes in embassy personnel by tuning microwaves to the level of brain waves and recording feedback activity in the form,of emotions, images and thoughts. Ebon claims that the potential of microwave brain manipulation stretches the farthest reaches of our imagination, and that the possibility of President Carter being subjected to some form of esoteric mind manipulation during the Vienna SALT II talks cannot be ruled out.32 It was noted by the majority of the White House staff that when President Carter returned to Washington after Vienna, he was appeared mired by indecision, and demonstrated erratic personality and behavior swings. This change in the President's character prompted the resignation of thirty-four of his cabinet and staff members. According to Ted Stevens, an Alaskan Republican, "some of us are seriously worried that he might be approaching some sort of mental problem."33 (U) Ebon's claim is not without merit because ironically, Vasilyev's work, published in 1960, entitled SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL SG1 B "Experiments in Distant Influence," asserted that very low- level radiation could affect living organisms by causing dizziness, emotional instability, and hallucinations. He also hypothesized that thoughts could be grafted into microwaves in the same way television signals carry pictures and sound, opening the possibility of long-distance hypnosis or mind- control . as SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL 25 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SG1 B Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL SG1 B (U) In addition to the former Soviets' interest and study in remote viewing, they have also shown considerable enthusiasm in the examination of telekinesis; the ability to move small objects by using the power of the mind. One frequently reported mind-over-matter event involved a Mrs. Nina Kulagina from Leningrad. On 10 March 1970, she demonstrated her mental ability to stop a frog's heartbeat in 40 seconds. A cardiogram linked to the frog's heart, which was separated from its body and placed on a container of saline solution, revealed a sudden burst of electric energy resembling the impact of an electric shock. Although the separated heart would have ultimately stopped beating after SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL 27 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL SG1 B approximately two hours, there was a pronounced correlation between Kulagina's concentration to cease the heart's activity and the electronic cardiogram's record of the abruptness and abnormal circumstances under which it stopped. (U) Mrs. Kulagina, never accused of any kind of trickery, conducted most of her demonstrations in the company of respected medical professionals, including numerous western observers. She also demonstrated the mental ability to move small objects while keeping her hands a substantial distance away, the ability to move a magnetic compass needle in a 360- degree motion, and the power to induce painful skin burns on the arms of people she simply touched. (U) Although the political and economic unrest which continues into the Autumn of 1992 in Russia and throughout the Commonwealth of Independent States will most likely cause SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL significant setbacks to their investigative research, it seems apparent their continued study and possible breakthroughs in this field could add significant dimensions to the modern-day battlefield. (U) Such paranormal abilities would pose significant problems if used in a military capacity. In the US, the phrase "if looks could kill" is commonly used but dismissed as an impossibility. Suppose, as demonstrated in Russia by the stopping of the frog's heartbeat, thoughts could kill? Potential military applications would revolutionize warfare to an extent scarcely imaginable. SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL 29 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL SG1A 17. Martin Ebon. Psychic Warfare: Threat or Illusion? (New York: McGraw-Hill Book Company, 1983), 215. 19. Ronald M. McRae, "Psychic Warriors," Omni, April 1984, 62. 20. Edgar M. Johnson, Ph.D. Technical Director and Chief Psychologist, US Army. Interview conducted by author at the US Army Research Institute (ARI) for Behavioral and Social Sciences, 21 October 1992. SG1J 21. Chief of Special Projects Office (DTI-SO, Defense Intelligence Agency. Interview conducted by the Author at the Defense Intelligence Agency, 26 October, 1992. 22. Martin Ebon, Psychic Warfare: Threat or Illusion ? (New York: McGraw-Hill Book Company, 1983),17. 23. B. Reppert, "Study Cites Soviet Progress on Mind Weapons," Associated Press, 6 November 1983, 6. 24. (SECRET) Thomas A. Fields. Parapsychology and Intelligence: Is Remote Viewing a Viable Intelligence Collection Technique? MSSI (Washington, DC: Defense Intelligence School, June 1979), 24. 25. (SECRET) Thomas A. Fields. Parapsychology and Intelligence: Is Remote Viewing a Viable Intelligence Collection Technique? MSSI (Washington, DC: Defense Intelligence School, June 1979), 24. 26. Ronald M. McRea. Mind Wars: The True Story of Government Research into the Military Potential of Psychic Weapons (New York: St. Martin's Press, 1984), 31. 27. Ronald M. McRea. Mind Wars: The True Story of Government Research into the Military Potential of Psychic Weapons (New York: St. Martin's Press, 19840, 32. 28. (SECRET/NOFORN) Central Intelligence Agency. "Soviet and East European Parapsychology Research." Studies in Intelligence. SI-77-10012, April 1977, 4. SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL 30 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL 29. (SECRET/NOFORN) Central Intelligence Agency. "Soviet and East European Parapsychology Research." Studies in Intelligence. SI-77-10012, April, 1977, 4. 30. (SECRET/NOFORN) Central Intelligence Agency. "Soviet and SG1A East European Parapsychology Research." Studies in Intelligence. SI 77-10012 April 1977, 4. 32. Martin Ebon, Psychic Warfare: Threat or Illusion? (New York: McGraw-Hill Book Company, 1983), 129. SG1A 33. Martin Ebon, Psychic Warfare: Threat or Illusion? (New York: McGraw-Hill Book Company, 1983), 119. 34. Ronald M. McRea, Mind Wars: The True Story of Government Research into the Military Potential of Psychic weapons. (New York: St. Martins Press, 1984), 73. SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL 31 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL CHAPTER 3 HUBRIS IN THE US GOVERNMENT PERSPECTIVE ? ROBOTMAN by am Meddick Source: Jim Meddick, 'Robot Nan,' The Boston Globe, 21 March 1992. (U) Skepticism and a lack of faith epitomizes the less serious approach in the US toward remote viewing. Unfortunately, it seems that irrefutable proof is the criteria for acceptance. SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL A NEED TO BELIEVE ? (U) Many who are skeptical about parapsychology claim its data so inconclusive that it stifles their belief, while supporters of this phenomenon argue that their belief is justified by positive experimental data. Most of those reluctant to accept remote viewing as a valid study claim that convincing "proof" does not exist. Faith in the fact of this phenomenon is an important ingredient for acceptance. Thus, the promotion of paranormal research, can, for the scientist, be considered similar to that of a clergy member promoting religion. V.M. Bleykher pointed out in 1972, in his book Parapsychology: Science or Superstition?: (U) In parapsychological convictions it is chiefly faith which operates. People believe blindly in the myths they have chosen. The similarity to religious beliefs is striking. Those who have spoken with believers on subjects of religion know full well how difficult it is to approach them with deductions of logic or arguments of a scientific sort. Fanaticism and a unique intellectual blindness are common traits of religious and parapsychological beliefs.39 (U) Dr. J.B. Rhine of Duke University in North Carolina, who started exploring paranormal phenomena in the early 1920s agreed. He wrote in 1974: SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL (U) A wide variety of practices in which capacities of parapsychical nature were assumed have prevailed throughout the history of mankind in all its cultures. We may note first the more formal religions; in these, the assumptions of parapsychical powers and agencies are an essential part of the doctrine.40 (U) Christians do not deem irrefutable proof as a condition for accepting that Jesus Christ walked on water or created wine from water. Yet, these believers are not considered crazy for their convictions. ,,,In fact, the Catholic Church recognizes controversial subject matters like exorcism, and does not shun claims that near-death experiences occur. With this in mind, one might reasonably ask if remote viewing or out-of-body experience should be such a far-fetched concept? 25X1A (U) a member of the Foreign Counterintelligence faculty at the Defense Intelligence College in Washington, DC, with over twenty three years of counter intelligence investigative experience, believes that remote viewing should not be considered foolish: (U) Over the years, I have met people who have had near-death experiences, or accomplished out-of-body experiences while in meditation. Some of these people, highly religious, believe that every human being is capable of effecting out-of-body experiences. While undergoing these experiences, these people claim that they were able to mentally SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL travel, from the location of their physical self, to another location where they could observe activity remote from their physical self. Also, I read Robert Monroe's book Journeys Out of the Body, and believe very much in what Monroe claims, that most, if not all, humans have this capability.41 25X1A (U) willingness to accept the fact of psychic phenomena, including remote viewing, provides evidence that attention continues to be paid to research and scholarship in this field. In the 1980s, for example, one may read, two authorities who provided substantial basis for the views of Schweitzer and others who continue to have scholarly interest in this field. (U) Thomas E. Beardon, a retired US Army Lieutenant Colonel who has written extensively on the parapsychology program in the former Soviet Union, observed in 1981: (U) The west has been solidly imprisoned in its own orthodox view of psychics, and hence has been unable to surmount the stone walls of its self- imposed mental barriers. in fact, it has not even tried. The -'orthodox establishment continues to vigorously attack the experiments as unscientific, and the experimenters who struggle with paranormal research as frauds and charlatans.42 (U) In 1985, Dr. Russell Targ, a laser physicist at Stanford Research institute who has conducted numerous SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL. experiments on remote viewing, echoed the sentiments of (U) The reasons more people have not actively explored their psychic capabilities are clear. Everywhere we look, we find images of psychic functioning that are confusing, intimidating, misleading, and terrifying... Meanwhile, critics of parapsychology, who often know next to nothing about this phenomenon, condemn the scientific work in this field out of fear of its philosophical implication.43 (U) It is ironic that the US is apparently at a disadvantage regarding research on remote viewing because, despite the lack of support for this research, the CIA conducted controlled tests as early as 1973 on this phenomenon with astonishing results. These tests were conducted at Stanford Research Institute (SRI) at Menlo Park California, by the two most noteworthy mavericks and pioneers of remote viewing: Harold Puthoff and Russell Targ, both of whom have impeccable credentials as scientists. Targ has important copyright patterns to his credit in the laser field. Puthoff, a Stanford Ph.D., in addition to also having laser copyright SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL patents, has coauthored a textbook in quantum physics... neither is a novice in physical research.44 (U) The general procedure for these tests was to closet the remote viewer with an interviewer from the institute, in a windowless room within a laboratory of the SRI complex. At a prearranged time, an SRI researcher, who acted as a conduit for the remote viewer, retrieved one of 60 targets cards from a locked safe and departed for a location dictated on his target card. The target cards, numbered from one to sixty, were selected by the conduit by using a random-number function on a Texas Instruments hand calculator, therefore, the target selected from the safe was neither known by the remote viewer nor the interviewer. Thus, the interviewer could not aid or elicit a positive target response from the remote viewer. The target sites were all within a 30-minute driving time from SRI.- When a predetermined viewing time arrived, the remote viewer was asked to draw and describe what he envisioned at the target site. Verbal descriptions of the target site were also recorded on a tape recorder. The person at the target site simply paid attention to the environment of the site for 15 minutes then returned to the lab. After all of the raw data was compiled, the target person, the remote viewer, and the interviewer returned to the target site to discuss the SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL test. This was done to afford the remote viewer an opportunity to evaluate his own abilities. (U) After six of these experiments were completed and their data compiled, data packages, to include the remote viewer's sketches, transcripts, and target card, were forwarded to SRI researchers, or "judges," who were tasked to revisit the target sites and assign a package to the site. To assign a quantitative value to these tests, the SRI judge assessed the viewer's transcript against the target. From the transcript a list of six concepts were developed and numerically rated on a scale of zero to ten. A concept was usually descriptive in nature and represented by a one-word adjective (i.e."red," "tall," "bright") or phrase. A zero constituted no correlation between the transcript and the target site, and a ten represented exact correlation. The judge then computed the arithmetic average of the six concepts and arrived at a success rating for each individual experiment. As described by Puthoff: (U) The quality of the results was such that the judges, who had to determine in a blind fashion which viewer-generated data packages were associated with which target sites, were able to match transcripts to targets in first place in roughly half the cases, an exceptionally significant result.45 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL (U) In 1978, Puthoff and Targ conducted a similar series of experiments designed to determine the resolution capability of remote viewing. In these experiments, the remote viewer was again closeted with an interviewer while a target person proceeded to a randomly selected location approximately 1/8 of a mile from the SRI complex. In these experiments, however, the remote viewer was not to report on the location of the target person, but on an item concealed in a 35mm film c mister carried by the target person. (U) To prepare for this series of experiments, an experimenter previously unassociated with remote viewing experiments, was tasked to select ten small items and deposit each in separate 35mm light-tight canisters. This experimenter then sealed the canisters. The canister and its contents were neither known by the interviewer nor the target person. The canisters were then numbered from one to ten and secured them in a locked safe. (U) In these tests, like in those discussed above, the location to where the target person carried the canister was determined by a random number function on a calculator. The target person remained at this site for ten minutes then returned to the laboratory where the remote viewer, the SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL interviewer, and the target person learned the contents of the canister for the first time. (U) The transcripts of ten experiments were then turned over to an independent judge who evaluated and compared descriptions given by the remote viewers to the actual contents in the canisters. Examples of the quality of the descriptions, as well as sketches prepared by the remote viewer are shown in Figure 1. (U) In addition to local remote viewing experiments conducted within the San Francisco area, Puthoff and Targ also conducted long distance experiments with equally significant results. (U) In these tests, conducted in 1973, two renowned American psychics projected their minds over long distances and accurately described secret military installations as well as classified materials within these installations. One of the psychics described in minute detail a remotely located Soviet installation in the Ural Mountains. Reportedly, this description was verified by CIA agents in the Soviet Union. The two psychics then focused on China, and once again CIA contacts in China reportedly confirmed their accuracy. When he saw the results of the tests, a security officer at the test facility exclaimed, "Hell, there's no security left."41 SECRET/NOFORN/WNINTEL Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 Approved For Release 2001/04/02 : CIA-RDP96-00789R002600250001-6 SECRET/NOFORN/VNINTEL -1T% DEFINITELY SOMETHING THIN AND CANC... 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