MEETING WITH DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE REPRESENTATIVES ON THE DOD VIETNAM SUMMER STUDY PROJECT, HELD AT CIA HEADQUARTERS, 18 JULY 1966, 11 A.M.

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• Publication Date: July 19, 1966
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MEMORANDUM THE RECORD
SUBJECT: Meeting with Department of Defense Re e-
sentatives on the DOD Vietnam Summer
Study Project, held at CIA ReadqUarters,
18 July 1988, 11 a.m.
PRESENT: Col. Marshall Sanders,
Secretary of Defense,
Defense
Mr. Leonard Wainstein? IDA-WSEG
Mr. Charles E. Fritz, IDA-WSEG
MiAlyAlbert Arnold, IDA-WSEG
EXPS/RR, CIA
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1. Background: On 11 July Mr. John T. McNaughton
wrote to the Director of Central Intelligence concern-
ing the subject study project. From now until its con-
clusion, the project is to concentrate on the four areas
spkfified in the letter. The letter requested CIA
assistance in carrying out the balance of the project;
it specifically mentioned contact with selected individ-
uals and groups in CIA. The undersigned was named CIA
Control Officer for the project by the Acting DD/I.
The meeting to be described below was arranged at the
request of Colonel Sanders, ISA, and was for the purpose
of briefing the undersigned on the objectives of the
project and CIA support required. The undersigned had
been instructed by the Acting DD/I to listen but to make
no immediate commitments. The Acting DD/I also advised
the undersigned that Sanders and Company wanted access
to published intelligence as well as to CIA personnel.
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2. At the neettag, Colonel Sanders stated that
Mr. Fritz, with the assistance of Mr. Arnold, was
making a bomb damage study of North Vietnam, and that
Mr. Weinstein was concentrating on logistics and man-
power to South Vietnam. Colonel Sanders had already
talked to DIA, who had put him in
touch with of DIA. in
turn had put the project mebers in touch with the
appropriate DIA analysts, and had made certain docu-
ments available to them. IDA had also given DIA a
list of questions dealing with the data bass used to
make bomb damage assessments and to estimate the move-
ment of men and materiel to South Vietnam. Mr. Fritz
explained that one of the immediate purposes of the
exercise was to take a careful look at the data used
to determine if there were any differences within the
Intelligence Community and to establish, if possible,
how the differences arose. The ultimate purpose was
to make specific suggestions to the Secretary of
Defense about ways in which the U.S. effort in Vietnam
could be improved.
3. Mr. Fritz, Mr. Weinstein, and Mr. Arnold had
been identified to me as Weapons Systems Evaluation
Group (WSEG) personnel. Actually, they are Institute
of Defense Analysis (m) contractor personnel who wear
a JUG hat. Colonel Sanders implied to me that DIA had
given IDA personnel access to National Intelligence
Estimates. I therefore reminded him that lech estimates
were not supposed to he shown to contractor personnel.
I also told him that there should he no particular
problem in providing other finished intelligence to no-
personnel, in view of the fact that they were contractors
for a USI B member agency. In this connection, I read
his the pertinent portions of USIB D-39.5/19, "US/B
Policy on Release of Intelligence to Contractors and
suggested that he secure a copy.
4. Colonel Senders stated that be would like to
serve on us the same questions he had served on DIA,
and then hold a discussion with the appropriate CIA
experts. The CIA experts mould also be asked if there
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was any pertinent finished intelligence available
beyond that which had been supplied by DIA. After
reading the list of questions, I stated that such a
session could bo arranged. I further suggested, how-
ever, that the first session be only with ORR per-
sonnel who could cover most, but not all, of the DCD
questions. It was apparent, however, that DOD wanted
not only answers to substantive questions, but to
questions on sources and methods. I reminded the DOD
representatives that such information could be highly
sensitive, and that we would have to exercise care in
supplying it. This point was understood and agreed to.
I also asked Colonel Sanders to send me a list of the
documents that had been supplied to the study group by
DIA. I proposed to send their questions and this list
to Chief, D/T for study. would
ther!!!!!!!!nel Sanders and arrangettay
acceptable time for a meeting. This vas also agreed to.
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5. On the mornin of July 19 I delivered the
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any commitments at the meeting, p!!!!!!!!!!!y with
respect to the transmittal of published intelligence.
I repeated to him what I had said to the DOD representa-
tives about the restrictions on the use of RIE's and
about the sensitivity of information on sources and
methods.
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