CRV SESSION PROCEDURES REPORT CONTROL NUMBER: 8709, SESSION NUMBER: 05, SOURCE IDENTIFIER: 003

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• Publication Date: August 24, 1987
• Content Type: REPORT

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CRV SESSION PROCEDURES REPORT
WARNING NOTICE: INTELLIGENCE SOURCES AND METHODS INVOLVED
CONTROL NUMBER: 8709
DATE OF SESSION: 24 Aug B7
REFERENCES: None
DATE OF REPORT: 25 Aug 87
NICKNAME:
TARGET COUNTRY: UR
SESSION NUMBER: 05
MISSION STATUS: Continuing
TECHNIQUE UTILIZED: CRV SOURCE IDENTIFIER: 003
1. (S/NF/SK) INTERVIEWER TASKING: Tasking as listed in the
previous sessions conducted with this Source on this project has not
been changed or re directed. This session was concerned with Phase
II of the tasking package, the description of the characteristics and
configuration of the Soviet prototype/counterpart to the US "Stealth"
bomber. Other phases of the tasking package were not addressed in
this session.
2. (S/NF/SM SOURCE TASKING: Source was told this was a
continuation of the last session and that He was to continue to focus
His attention on the unusually configured aircraft that He reported
on in His previous session. As the session progressed Source was
tasked to locate, "another aircraft which may be similar to this
aircraft but located in another global location". Source was further
told to view this other aircraft, (#'2) and to compare its
capabilities and configuration to the first aircraft, (1*1). Source
was not provided any other cuing or descriptive data pertaining to
either aircraft prior to this session.
3. (S/NF/SK) INCLEMENLIES: There were no unusual occurrences or
anomalies which may have affected the data provided by the Source
during this session.
4. (S/NF/SK) SUMMARY: Source furnished the attached summary which
was prepared following the session and submitted to the Interviewer
within 24 hours after the session. The completeness o+ the
typewritten summary has been compared to the Interviewer's notes and
all omissions, changes, and/or corrections have been verified as
acceptable by the Interviewer. The information provided in the
summary was found to be complete and did not require further
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modification, clarification or additions by the Interviewer. Source
did provide some very detailed post session sketches which are
attached to this report +or reference purposes.
5. (S/NF/SK) COMMENTS Source's data during this session continued
to be the same high quality and of increasing clarity and in
Until such time as technical data becomes available to this office
pertaining to Stealth and the Soviet prototype, no hard
conclusions can be made concerning the veracity of the information
provided thus far. Some of the information such as wing
configuration, the use of electric/optic remote servos, flight
characteristics, etc., may offer the analyst the necessary
confirmatory data to base a reasonable. analysis of the remaining
data. Until such time as directed otherwise, however, it is
recommended that this Source be withdrawn from this project, at least
as a temporary measure, to preclude the distinct possibility of an
AOL Drive, "peacocking" or analytic labelling. In the future this
Source could be called upon again to provide more specific data as
required but for the time being the risk of compromising his future
utilization in this project would seem to be in jeopardy.
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Aircraft is flown in isolation--during off-hours, over
isolated areas, with knowledge of pending flights kept close
hold. Terrain overflown is somewhat hilly, with gullies and low
vegetation and "chewed-up" ground. Area is reminiscent of some
of the terrain around Boise, and also south-central Nevada. When
aircraft flies, it's "like" the body or wing conformation is
changed to enhance if There are a rALuizal amount_of
control surfaces; control linkages are non-standard "like" some
sort of electro optic connection, providing faster and.more
precise response. --1.7.'iurposes of-the aircraft are intruSion,
IfiTerdiction, penetration. It's not intended for a high
i..ntensity combat environment against other aircraft. It carries
Mi:Ssiles, perhaps exclusively; night may be its preferred
C perating time. t1i0414urjay involvedHis_rather.noVel? involvi,ng
lami-teS'and..Metatb9n4ing--"like" Teflon on a-Pan. Provides
high strength, low weighG flexibility. The design sacrifices
some maneuverability for other advantages; range, survivability,
stability, low signatuces. The two tails on this aircraft lean
I nward. (C)^44 1
Aircraft no. 2;(1 Single tail slopes back, curved and recurved,
with faint horizontal ridges. Smooth edges curving around.
Wings larger, not as wide; body is "like" a slight hourglass
shape thicker, thinner, then thicker again, but gradually. Two
engines are present, side-by-side. There are "stabilizing"
ridges midwing on the top. Aircraft is "not as fancy" in design
and construction. Performs in a "tighter envelope"- ..... less
forgiving of mishandling, its performance limits are generally
lower, capabilities more limited; not as refined in manufacture,
less attention to detail not directly +unction related. The
concepts of acceleration, interdiction, interception, and
countermeasure seem relevant to no. '2. It's "like" an "antidote"
of sorts for some thereat or perceived weakness in an overall
defensive capability. No. 1 is almost "expected" to be sent
abroad or deep into non-national territory to do its work. No. 2
could do such things but is out of preference kept closer to
"home'. No. 2 is more rigid, has more metal content in its
manufacture. It was designed and developed with the same general
intent as was no. 1, but the formula is different, and not as
successful, but easier to make lots of. Signatures are greater,
but still reduced significantly 'from normal. In some sense it's
as if someone wanted to imitate or make a copy, but didn't have
all the necessary plans or pieces of information. Intent was
also to "improve on" original design, with the generally mistaken
idea that bigger/faster/more numerous was "better." The concept
of "signatures" seems to deal with words such as "cross section",
"density", "reflective", "noise", "heat", "turbulence",
"deflecting", and "magnetic". The idea is to reduce "presence
signature" things that make it easier to see or to stop. No. 1
practically disappears; no. 2 does also but leaves bigger trace.
Aircraft no. 2 is fueled by hose out of the ground on a
concrete apron, apparently out in the open. Aircraft no. 1
is refueled inside, form a hose on a spool; hose extends to
outside. A truck pulls up outside; the person operating the
truck has no idea what he's refueling ..... -pumps it "right through
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some silver showing. Skin coating seems to be primarily on
underbelly and leading edges. Provides economy and certain
strength improvements at the sacrifice of small amount of
increaSed signature.
FLIGHT
No. 1 .flies..low, NOE, terrain following and masking, relatively
more maneuverable, acceptably fast, more airworthy, percent odds
of accomplishing mission per aircraft is much higher.
No. 2 flies faster, higher, 155traigt.117A less
maneuverable not as successful in low, NOE type travel.
Performance best rendered at higher speeds; makes it less precise
in handling and performance. Requires more of them to assure
high percentage chance of mission accomplishment. Counter-
productive ..... -more of them creates larger signature gestalt to be
discovered. No.2 is conservative in approach to a radical design
which counteracts some of the advantages?older, known-to-be-
reliable techniques applied to the aircraft blunt the advantages
of newly developed technology. Example: steel cables instead of
electronic links slow reaction time and accuracy of controls;
conventional control surfaces; fuel metering less precise and
controllable; fire control older, not as versatile or precise.
WEAKNESSES
No. 1: time consuming to produce. Complex. More can go wrong.
Some systems barely out of experimental stage, unestablished
track record ..... -behavior under "field" conditions unknown. Can't
defend itself very well. Lower top end speed makes it difficult
to escape a chase aircraft. Erosion of some sort is a hazard.
Limited payload.
No. 22 insufficiently maneuverable- ..... can't handle NOE
+lying well enough. Variety of situations it can deal with is
limited. Significantly shorter range, greater signature; brittle
construction. Larger than should be, and heavier. Not as
airworthy. Speed capability is sometimes a liability, increasing
tell tale signatures. Unsophisticated avionics and weapons
systems.
STRENGTHS
No. 12 ...Maneuverable. Can "hide" much more of Systems
designed redundantly enhance survivability. Avionics and weapons
control guarantee greater margin of performance, reaction and
success. Longer range. Quieter. Better made, more built-in
capabilities. Some characteristics and capabilities still
unknown to those outside.
No. 22 Faster; primary controls and systems have proven
reliability. Many components already in production for other
aircraft and systems and can be used, making it easier and
cheaper to produce aircra+t in quantity. Less skill required to
train and to operate. Larger payload.
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