TRANSCRIPT REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CD-87

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• Publication Date: July 15, 1980
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REMOTE VIEWING (RU) SESSION CD-87
1. (S/NOFORN) This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request from SOD, J3, OJCS, Pentagon, Washington, DC.
The purpose of the session was to provide information relative to the
hostage situation in Iran.
2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided as
raw intelligence data, and, as such, have not been subjected to any inter-
mediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of the
information provided is the responsibility of the requestor.
3. (S/NOFORN) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document
Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S/NOFORN) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B is target cuing
information provided the remote viewer.
5. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer was asked to locate Don Sherer and describe
his surroundings. He described Sherer as being in a large "reading room"
in a building on the US Embassy compound in Teheran, Iran. He felt this
building looked like a house, and was similar to three others adjacent to it.
From the viewer's drawings it looks as though he was talking about building
"C." The viewer felt that there were three other hostage personnel with
Sherer, one of which he identified from photographs as Robert Engelmann.
The viewer did not perceive any guard personnel associated with this buildin
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+03 #07: Appears to be on the ground floor...in this room, and a
lot of glass on the wall. He's lying down in a...on a stuffed
chair. There's a couple of other people in the, in the room.
#66: Describe what type of room this is.
4.04 #07: It's a very large room. Like a sitting room. Somebody's
..uh..looks like a make shift Ping-Pong table. Uh..plywood
on..boxes....
shape or something.
#07: Uh..... I see two more in this room. Somebody, a tell guy
just, just walked out slowly awhile ago, like over them:,
and reminds me of a left rear corner of the room..uh..if you
are facing the outer wall. A lot of magazines around. Seems
much more relaxed atmosphere than some, some news I've had
of hostages.
#66: Who are these other people with Don?
+08 #07: The one guy reading... other slim, small boned ...got a
very (mumbling) haircut. Clean shaven. Don appears to have
a beard. I lost the imagery. Just a minute.
And, another guy I met, I guess about 35, asleep over there
on a couch. Oh, ...... they're ...... uh.ranbe ? -lar~y t
the window I can see another wing of this ding extending
across from my right. So this building a "L" or "T"
#66: This will be a remote viewing session, for 1.400 hours,
15 July 1980.
Relax and concentrate now. Relax and focus your attention
on Don Sherer whose picture I have shown you. Focus now on
Don Sherer. Locate him and go to his location and describe
his surroundings to me.
#66: What was it you said about a lot of glass?
Like a, li a orderly room ....or- eating room or something.
#07: (Mumbling.--glass seems to come down almo the floor......
uh....mus be about $, 10 feet wide. It's a vo-cy large room.
#66: How many other people are with Don?
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Okay. Tell me more about the building in which this large
room is located. Move to where you can tell me about it.
Wing over there is two stories above ground. I think this
wing is too. It seems to have this shallow peaked roof.
Damn! You know ...I've never seen this view before, but I
think, I think I'm on the compound.
#66: Do you recognize this building?
#07: All those trees over there. So close to the building, but
I don't, I don't remember a wing.
Oh! Wait a minute. I think it's another building there.
I think the building I'm in is a....is a single storey. But,
I see through the glass...a two storey.
#66: Okay. What's between, when you look out of the glass and you
see this other two storey structure which may be another
building or another wing, what is in the area between you
and this other two storye structure?
+13 #07: I see some shrubs. 'Very good size tree on my right. I sense
that...,, .either a fence o wall to my right. When I'm facing
the, :.ndow I don't see it, bud-I k w it's there. Next ..close
to this wall and behind me...fenc -. there seem to be
the bassy itself. There's a...clear, clear to my left.
tw storey building I see over there might be..uh..might be
.. h..kind of a conglomerate of building.ukk, I think the
#66: Okay.
#07: Uh...grass and some cars.
#66: Let's be careful not to wink and stick with the actual
building in which Don is located. Move above the building
500 feet and look down at the very building where Don is.
Describe this building.
+16 #07: It's one storey... . . o h ! , okay ....... it looks lik ......it
looks like a home....okay.....it looks like a big house.
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#07: But I don't see a lot of guards.
#66: What is it that makes you say that?
#07: There ought to be guards. I looked for 'em I don't see 'em.
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#66: This building that you say that looks like a house, move now
to 1000 feet over it, and describe what's around it, so that we
might locate this building.
#07: Okay.
I don't know. I think...I got lost here......I was going up
I kept seeing these numbers...uh...numbers clicking off...
appeared 233, I don't know. Okay......Even though I've got
the image, I've got overlay, but I know where I am.
#66: Tell me about it.
#07: I can't remember letters, but..... this appears to be one of
the lettered buildings. Over in other buildings it.....
center each other.... there's letters. It's the one that's
..uh..on the end towards the fence.
#66: All right. You'll have to diagram that for me later, so
remember the image you hold right now. And, when you have
+20 that, so that you can remember and sketch it for me later, I
want to move back inside so we can see what Don's doing now.
#07: He's the same as ever. He's been asleep. His arms are hanging
over the side of the couch ..... soft chair. Just two of 'em
in here now. The guy with the bad haircut is...... is gone.
Looked like he was reading one of the many old magazines.
#66: Go through the door where the man with the haircut wont and
describe as you go.
#07: Well, he went through one of those two doors. He went in
the...across a hall and down a little narrow hall into a
room that's got a refrigerator. It's got a few goodies in
there. There's a sink....could be a kitchen, but I don't
see a stove.
#66: Okay. We have now counted four..........
#07: One, two, three, four, four counting lYon...t~..
#66: ....in thi r6uilding.
#07: ...in thi building. Don and the o x -n this
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#66: I have no further questions about this target location, but
I'd like to give you the opportunity now to explore on your
own anything that you might think important at this time.
#07: Ummm.....tall guy went first.-went down the hall to the left
.....he went into the right side...straight ahead, there appears
to be a long room with three cots in it.
There's another room here somewhere ........... That's about
it.
+25 #66: Okay. Remembering clearly and concisely the images that you've
had let's prepare to draw.
#07: I don't know. There's three or four.
#66: Okay these.... you're drawing kind of an overview now, and I
understood that you felt that he was on the compound, and that
I was trying to locate which building it was that you felt that
he was in.
#07: The foreground of these was kind of complicating...with wings
jetting out here and there, and what have you, but I've indicated
them by four squares, and I felt that there was a long building
over in here, and looking out that window...... either here, or
either the first building or the second building, and seeing
looking in the direction of this arrow, and seeing the face of
a two storey building.
#66: Okay. Now, I understand then that you feel.........
#07: I don't know what the letters of these buildings are, but I
worked this area once and they were lettered.
#66: Okay. You've drawn four ........
#07: This was "F."
#66: ....you've drawn four similar buildings there. You feel that
you were in one of those four similar buildings?
#07: Either the, either the top one or the second one.
#66: And, when you looked out the windows that you had described you
saw another structure two storeys tall.
#07: Yes. And long. I thought it was a big long wing of the building
I was in. I was close to the center of the wing. Uh...in the
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circle I'm going to draw the way it looked to m what I
imagined it to look like from what I saw at the window.
I thought the building was probably shaped like this, and I
was in the position of the X here, and looking across like that.
#66: Okay. But, it was later that you discovered that you were
actually in a separate building.
#07: Later, that I felt that there was shrubs, some shrubs or
something in here, and a tree over here somewhere. This angle
is a bit accute here, but, I felt I was in the first building,
but the angle is more like position of the second building here.
More like that.
#66: Okay. But, you were definitely in this area where these four
similar buildings are.
#07: Yes. I definitely thought that. There's something else over
in here. There's some more building in this area here.
#66: Okay. Why don't you draw.........
#07: Uh....now, let me draw this over again. I don't even see the
drawing I was drawing over.
#66: Okay. We'll draw this again.
#07: Give me a chance to position these buildings a, little better,
too. And, I seemed to remember this building here, I think
was "F." That's just memory. Uh... I thought was in this
building here, and looking across in the direction of this arrow.
Trees and shrubs in this area, and there's some other conglomerate
of buildings. I don't know, this, this may be memory, I don't
know. Now, I'd like to make this sketch of where I thought the
building looked like when I first looked out the window. Over
to the left, inside the circle.
#66: Why don't we put IA down on the bottom of this page, and we'll
put.. ,stands for one again......
#07: I'm sorry. What?
#66: Put lA down there. Okay. That's fine. Now, the building in
which you have the X in is where you felt Don was located?
#07: Yes. And, I thought the... fence was along where these Xs are.
Are we throwing this one out'?
#66: No. We'll include it, but this will be one, and one A. Now,
how about the inside scene where you saw him...... begin with
the inside scene? The type of furniture would be helpful, and
these strange windows that you mentioned, that seemed like a lot
of glass to you.
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#07: We ought to throw this pen out.
#66: Out of ink.
Okay. I can see you're depicting there where you had this...
uh...this two storey building where you could look out the
window and see over there.
#07: Ahh.....and this guy with the funny haircut is sitting ,.
over at the table reading .... uh.... a magazine, or something.
But, he had a short haircut and it was high in the back, I
remember. Back over here on a couch to the left, was a guy
lying down here. There was other furniture around in here..
tables and what have you......it had magazines on 'em.
#66: You mentioned something about a make shift Ping-Pong table.
#07: Yeah. It was sitting in here, and it had boxes under it.
Sitting over here in a corner, and it had a piece of cloth
for a net. Just a piece of plywood.
#66: Okay. Let's label that drawing number 2. How about labeling
Don, and an arrow to him and the others. And, then an arrow
to the couch area.
#07: And, then the tall person left.. .tall person left at the door
over here. There's also a door over to the right.
#66: So there were four people that you saw.
#07: Ummm...aha.
#66: Any guards at all?
#07: No. I looked for guards. I didn't see them.
#66: Okay. Good. That's a good drawing.
#07: I'm sure these are not to s4cale. I'm just drawing this room.
#66: You're going to give me an overview of this room now, okay.
#07: Ping-Ping table here, and he was sitting .......... in this
position here, with his arms hanging over the side. There
was some different chairs around, too. But, this bad
(mumbling) was sitting here.
#66: Okay. Bad haircut at table. Older gentleman on the couch.
And, this would be the walls of the windows here?
#07: Ahh,....I don't know how far they went to the left, but.....
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#66: Why don't you just write window on that, and those two doors
down there, okay. Now, in exploring the rest of the building
you found a room in which there were some cots.
#07: Yeah. Let's see....
#66: Which is not this room?
#07: No. Not that roam.
#66: So that.....Do I understand then, you are saying that this
is not their normal sleeping place. Even though you.......
#07: No. I think they were just ........... I think they did not
think much about night or day. One was about the same as
the other so they found themselves sleeping in the day.
Sometime sitting up half the night. That sort of thing.
Uh...I was aware of coming through the door, and I think I
turned to the right, and then to the left, and I found a room
where there was a refrigerator and a sink. I don't know just
how the heck I got there. Except I felt I turned to the right
then turned to the left. I thought there ought to be a kitchen
but, I didn't see a stove. I went down the hall to the left
and on the right to where I thought the tall one .............
#66: .....went to.
#07: Aha.... and straight ahead was a longer room, and I'm sure
that's not the scale, but I thought there was three ...uh...
cots in here, and there's some other furniture, or what have
you, but I was just ...... main thing was wherever was the cot,.
I don't know exactly how they fit in there, and I don't know
that the other 3 people slept in that room. I felt there was
another room somewhere. Logical place is there, but I did
not see it.
#66: Okay....... Number 4.
#07: Aha...... So when I...I felt I was on the compound so there's
a danger of overlay with memory overlaying.....what I was
seeing ..... way I was winking ..... I can see this potential
problem.
#66: Now, did you see any one of these individuals clearly enough
that you would be able to recognize them from a picture?
#07: I felt one guy was about 6 foot 3 or 4. I saw him from the
back. I didn't pay much attention to the older guy. But,
the guy with the bad haircut .... it was cut pretty high.....
in the back and it was very thin and kind of skimny. Looked
like he.....I don't know ....... 30, 30ish, 2$, 30ish..........
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#07: I might recognize him. That's about it.
#66: Okay. Anything you'd like to add?
#07: No. Except I thought this guy was heavier than he appeared
here.
#66: You think Don is.....to you, is heavier than what he shows
there.
#07: I think..........
#66: You said once you thought he had a beard.
#07: Yeah.
#66: Thank you.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CD-87
1. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer has been exposed to open source news
media information as well as classified overhead imagery and numerous
photographs of hostage personnel. He knew he would be working against
the hostage situation in Iran.
2. (S/NOFORN) At the time of this session the remote viewer was shown the
attached photograph, and was asked to find Don Sherer. He was asked to
identify Sherer's location, identify any other U.S. hostage personnel, and
to describe physical security at this location.
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