MINUTES OF THE MEETING

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• Collection: STARGATE
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP96-00788R002000140013-2
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• Document Page Count: 4
• Document Creation Date: November 4, 2016
• Document Release Date: June 25, 1998
• Sequence Number: 13
• Publication Date: November 28, 1978
• Content Type: MEMO

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DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY
WASHINGTON, D.C. 20301
S-1004/DT-1
MINUTES OF THE MEETING, DOD GRILL FLAME COMMITTEE
1. (U) Place: DIA/DT Conference Room, Pomponio Plaza.
2. (U) Time and Date: 0930 hours, 28 November 1978.
3. (U) Attendees: See enclosure 1.
4. (S/ORCON) Following the introductions, Dr. Vorona provided opening.
comments to the group. lie cautioned the Committee to maintain a low
profile with minimal fanfare. The sensitivity of the subject material
requires that all participants be circumspect in any outside discussion
of the program.
5. (U) Following these comments, the agenda was reviewed. No additions
or changes were recommended.
6. (S/ORCON) The group then discussed possible names for the organiza-
tion. It was decided that "GRILL FLAME COMMITTEE," following the title
given to the US Army program, would be acceptable to all participants.
7. (S/ORCON) The group then agreed to establish limited access rosters.
Each member organization is to develop its own roster and these will be made
available to the other members of the Committee. Permanent members must
possess SI/TK clearances, although participants of some "ad hoc" groups
and individuals involved in research programs will only be required to
have SECRET clearances.
8. (S/ORCON) The GRILL FLAME Oversight Committee has the following members:
or. Jack Vorona, DIA
MG E. R. Thompson, Army ACSI
RADM S. Shapiro, Commander, NIC
Maj Gen J. L. Brown, Air Force ACSI
Dr. Lowell Dailey, USDR&E Representative
Members are responsible for insuring that research and experiments fall
within the legal guidelines established by the DoD and the Services.
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9. (S/ORCON) An "ad hoc" working group was established to develop Commit-
tee goals and objectives. Participants are as follows:
Mr. Dale Graff, FTD
Dr. Bill Mehuron, Navy
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Ma' Bill Stoner, Arm OACSI
Maj Murray a ,
The group will hold its first meeting in January, 1979.
10. (C) Maj Stoner then addressed problems involved with the Privacy Act
and the security of the GRILL FLAME program. Army plans to develop a:
security agreement to preclude compromise of the program and associated
activities. In addition, the DIA Legal Counsel will be contactdd for his
comments.
11. (S/ORCON) Dr. Mehuron suggested that the Committee have as one of its
goals the identification and extent of the Soviet parapsychology programs.
He also urged that we identify current parapsychology intelligence collec-
tion requirements, develop additional requirements and task
It was agreed that this should be done. Current collection requirements
will be provided at the next meeting.
12. (S/ORCON) A discussion followed on the possibility of inviting CIA-to
and sugges a a CIA representative
attend subsequent meetings.
13. (S/ORCON) The Committee concurred with the recommendation that each
member organization maintain control over its own parapsychology research
contracts. However, all Committee members will have cognizance of the
total DoD contractual efforts in this area.
15. (C) The problem of document downgrading was also brought to the floor.
The Committee agreed that all documents originating as a result of the
GRILL FLAME program would undergo downgrading review only after 20 years.
16. (S/ORCON) Mr. Graff next suggested that a cover story be developed for
the program; Dr. Vorona suggested that the National Academy of Sciences
might back an open program to investigate paranormal phenomena. The
recommendation will be brought to Dr. Davis' attention.
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17. (S/ORCON) Dr. Vorona then urged the development of experimental
protocol and methods for validating experiments. As a result, an "ad
hoc" working group was established to accomplish this task. Members are
as follows:
Mr. Dale Graff, FTD
Mr. John Kramar, AMSAA
Dr. Bill Mehuron, Navy
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The working group will hold its first meeting in January, 1979.
18. (S/ORCON) next provided a review of the SRI remote viewing
experiments carried out at DIA this past summer. The results appear to
be inconclusive, but satisfactory data interpretation keys must still be
developed. A summary of the experiments is attached as enclosure 9.
19. (U) The next meeting of the GRILL FLAME Committee will be 13 February
1979.
20. (U) The meeting adjourned at 1210 hours.
Respectfully submitted,
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