CENTER LANE INTERVIEW SUMMARY - HU-1034/8306/08

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• Publication Date: August 31, 1983
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MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary - HU-1034/8306/08 (U)
1. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) On 250930 August 1983, source #08 was interviewed
concerning a building unidentified to him. The project 8306 sponsor
had provided geographic coordinates of the compound in which the
building was located, photographs of the compound, and a map (see Incl
1).
2. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) For this interview source was provided the
coordinates of the compound. The photograph of the compound was shown
to the source after the interview as "feedback." The specific
identity of the site has not been revealed to source. Source will be
retargeted against this site.
3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared (see Incl 2).
4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was not prepared for the sponsor
as source did not report information relevant to the sponsor's
requirement.
2 Incl FREDERICK H. ATWATER
as CPT, MI
OPS/TNG Officer
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TRANSCRIPT
#66: This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0930 hours
25 August 1983. Relax and concentrate now. Relax
and focus your attention in present time at,
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and describe your perceptions to me.
#08: There's a..an immediate impression of a...
a...a center ring....is... just a....it is barely
above ground. About a... one quarter above
the ground, the three quarters into the ground, in
cement encasement.
#66: Go on.
#08: It's a...it's in a...it's in a ..in front of a
building that has a...four stories high and with,
with, with a..additions, wings about a..two stories
high, on both sides of the building. ...It's a..the
ring from the..higher perspective a...is placed in
a...football shaped areal...either roads or..just
hard dirt..around the oval shaped area.
#66: Okay. I'm interested in moving northwest, 250
meters.
#08: There's something there about
a..stairs...stairs a...stairs and a... cement
stairs..a..with a... very acute, sharp ...very acute
sharp angle rising high quickly into
a..a...rectangular, kind of small, ....building,..
almost perfectly square.
#66: All right. Orient yourself on the roof of this
building so that we might look around and tell me
when your ready.
#08: All ready.
#66: Okay. From the roof of this building, looking
directly north, level, looking straight north,
describe.
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#08: There's a green rising buff there's
a...assemblage of a ..trees and beyond that is a...
it's weird, it keeps popping in and out.
#66: All right, that's fine. I don't want you to lose
the square building that you have.
#08: Oh, okay, because this is another building beyond
that.
#66: Yes. Okay, you have faced north and found green
rising buff and trees.
Yes.
Now, face directly south and describe.
#08:
#66:
#08:
....There's a sloping decent, the ground slopes
coming down in that direction.
#66: Um.
#08: There's more a..the spacious expanse.
#66: 50 to 100 meters now.
#08: Yeah. ah....ah...south a..south, southeast
there's a...a one a oh, a one story low
level..building,..very odd because it's a...it's
just a very...low off the ground, one story, I
guess. Directly a and to the right of that
is..some kind of....high telephone pole or something.
#66: All right.
#08: And to the right that, or directly in front of me
is...a great deal of space there, I....see space all
the way to a....to a fence or something.
#66: All right. I don't want you to lose the square
building.
#08: The one I'm on?
#66: Yes.
#08: Okay.
#66: Okay. Now, let's move inside the square building
and describe. Square building is site. Move inside
the site and describe.
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#08: Okay. There's a..a strange feeling of
a...of the air passing through that building as if
there were no windows. I can't see too well
but I can give you some feelings, there's a feeling
of emptiness....space that is not..., that is used
but...not,...does not have a...continuing of
presence or great presence of the people in there,
as if this were...or this is a... thing that.. is
run on automation, it automated, it's mechanical,
it's
#66: All right. I want to give you some guidance and
then I want to let you explore this square building.
#08:
Go ahead.
#66: Okay, I'm interested in you determining personnel,
activities and equipment inside this square building.
#08: Well the--
#66: So, you need to spend some time--
#08: Yeah, the a--
#66: --searching through the building without being
interrupted by me.
#08: Yeah, well I can tell you what the activity is and
that's one of a.. a...controlled automation, the
equipment of a switchboard without the operator.
..That's the activity. ...Ah, ...there's a, ..there's
maintenance a..personnel for the equipment. There's
operational personnel for the guidance of...actually
operating equipment. Normally two or three
personnel are present.
#66: Okay.
#08: Except, certainly never more than four.
#66: All right. Scan the entire building to ensure that
you haven't locked into one area of the building.
#08: I've come in the top part of the building.
#66: Okay, let's take a look at the whole building.
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#08: the a..first a floor is a..a...spare
parts equipment, racks of. .replacement gear,...all
neatly shelved a. .shoot. The electronic
gear....and electronic equipment storage gear and...
everything ready for a contingency that's
replacement of parts, and individual...parts or
portions of part.
#66: Okay.
#08: I only see two stories.
#66: All right. If I understand right, we have a
approximately two stories, square looking structure--
#08:
Yeah.
#66: --that has very few personnel and automated activity
on the upper floor and parts on the lower floor.
#08: All right. Now from this activity, I want you to
move directly south to the area of the tall pole or
telephone like pole or something like that, that you
found.
#08: Yeah.
#66: All right. Now describe your surroundings to me.
#08: The building we saw earlier is to the left. In
front of me is, directly in front of me, is
a..grass, again, the slope is downwards, a road and
grass, and then a fence. Ah....to the right it's
even a...right of the pole,..directly east of the
pole is a..is an absence of anything there. Then it
picks up..about a...east, northeast, a to the
immediate right of that is something. Okay, you
want me to go north or--
#66: Okay. Within 100 meters of this pole like thing,
this thing sticking up in the air, within a 100
meters, there's something of intelligence interest.
#08: Yeah, it's a circle, it's a small circle,..looks
like a well, ..but it's not.
#66: Explore.
#08: It's got a white rock of base foundation. The,
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the, the a...then on top where the white rock base
foundation is...the diameter of the circle is...a
yard and a half or less. I can't get much more out
of that, train.
#66: Okay. Tell me about the area below the circle, you
said it looked like well?
#08: No, that, that thing from the pole looks like a
well. ....It's immediately east of the pole.
#66: Okay.
#08: Maybe....35, 40 yards to 30 yards.
#66: Okay.
#08: What I am seeing is geometrical patterns,
(mumble) geometrical patterns.
#66: Okay. Now from this thing that sticks up in the
air, go south again, more south than this and
describe.
#08:
#66:
..From the pole, go south?
Yes. Continue south passed the thing sticking in
the air, continue south and describe.
#08: The a..first impression I get there is a..a high
circular, ah shit, tower over trees.
#66: Okay. Now, this high circular tower, go to the top
of it and look back towards your pole.
#08: All right.
#66: Now see if you're attracted to something in the
neighborhood of the pole, interest of intelligence.
#08: ...Yes, to the right of the pole. I don't
know why I keep getting these impressions that this
is all close to the ground, very close to the
ground, it's a rectangular formation that's a...in
taking shape, it's all very close to the ground.
#66: That's correct. Continue. Just relax, just relax
and let it come, relax.
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#08: The a...constructed area is about...
20, 22 feet wide and 30 to 35 feet maybe long.
....The impression of closeness to the ground is
still there. I don't a....
#66:
#08:
#66:
Allow yourself to move beyond this impression.
Say again.
Allow yourself to move beyond this impression of
closeness to the ground.
#08: Yes, I've already done. The a..eastern
part of that building beyond the wall a goes
down beyond the a...beyond the a...ground.
#66: Follow it down.
#08: Okay, standing right in front of it, the, of
that wall, that particular wall, are you following
me? The left, left portion of the embankment tapers
down and the right portion of the embankment is just
one, one huge wall,..very sharp. ....The entrance
to this and the drive and entrance to this thing is
from the tapered, tapered a side of the a..wall,
okay. That is in fact the, the entrance, the
main entrance to the building. Do you
want to do anything else?
#66: Go on down this entrance.
#08: Okay, ah...a lot more to it in this building,
there's a about 10 to 15 personnel Um, in this
building. It has a...although it has a..,
it's, it's a, it's main function is administrative,
it's related to..a technical direction, and your
tech people coming in and out of there, but the
administration provides the overall guidance.
#66: Okay, describe the area to me, describe the
environment, the work environment.
#08: A couple of partitioned offices, open space,
a..of plans, plans, blueprint types. A quick
impression of a two supervisors, eight to a, about
8, maybe 10,...10,...10 other..administrative types,
but divided into...in different spheres and..of
interest in areas of responsibility, which the two
overseers manage.
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#66: Okay, check to see that you're exploring the entire
immediate structure and I'm interested, of course,
in what their basic activity is and perhaps by
looking around the entire structure we can discover
activities and personnel and equipment which tell
this.
#08: ....Reference to a plans, a...this is not research,
this is practical application..of equipment,..plans
and stuff for mere reference..material to a..used to
pinpoint, God, problems of interest a...
#66: Give me the raw data you perceive.
#08: Schematics of...schematics of circuitry and...
works on circuitry and...after the placement of
circuitry in...in..it's hard to describe. In
the structures, metal structures, some tubular, some
angle iron...I can't get anymore of that.
#66: All right. Review your orientation now, the square
building and the trees to the north and the pole
area, and the structure to the south and then beyond
that the large circular tower. Review your
orientation so that you may draw it for me. And I
have no further questions.
#08: Okay, I....I have nothing more.
#66: That's fine.
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DRAWING EXPLANATION
#08: In this sketch entitled overview is an attempt to
recap a schematic of what was observed during the
session. And it was a little difficult to
reconstruct. Starting from the tower, I believe in
the accuracy of the tower and the pole and the well
type of circle, type little structure with a white
base, about 30 yards to the left of it. And the
building which is about 20 feet and 35, 40 feet long.
#66: Okay now, I'm confused about this little building
that's near the pole. At one point you say entrance
and drive and there's a slant down.
#08: Yes, this is a---
#66: --And this grassy--
#08: Knolled.
#66: Grassy knoll--
#08: This petered down--
#66: --covering--
#08: --in other words it came down in a grassy knoll
which was very high next to the building and then
tapered down.
#66: Okay.
#08: And then the back end of this is a wall.
#66: All right.
#08: --Almost perpendicular to the entrance and drive.
#66: So is this building subterrainian?
#08: I had a tough time in this area. This was so slow
in constructing itself and it actually looked as if
it were 5 or 6 feet off the ground. It certainly
didn't make sense. And I just gave it time and more
time and more time.
#66: Um, um.
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#08: And when it didn't come off the ground any higher
than that, I went to the other side of the building
to look that wall, and I found that wall kind of
jutted down to that entrance and drive, which I
would estimate, from the entrance at the bottom of
the building to the top, I just a..maybe 25, 30 feet
so that didn't jive with the height of the building
from the ground from the other aspect.
#66:' Okay.
#08: Okay. The two story building, rectangular building.
#66: Wait a minute, before we go into that. So you're
saying there's something about the entrance to this
20 feet by 35 feet structure that is not ordinary in
terms of ground level.
#08: No, it's not. It's not, I certainly can't make it
out and it is terribly confusing, because what
appears on the surface is only 5 or 6 feet of
building, at least my perception is that. And then
all of a sudden you go to the other side and if you
follow from the top to what would be the foundation
or the base floor, you get a height of some 20 plus
feet. And it didn't make sense, and I just couldn't
reconstruct it.
#66: All right.
#08: Okay. I'm not too sure about this big building.
I'm sure of its existence, I just not sure of its
placement, because I lost it in my mind as to where
the placement of the building was and with the two
wings.
#66: Okay.
#08: But from that perspective, the two story rectangular
building should be to the---
#66: ---you mean the two story square building?
#08: --Two story square building. Yeah, it's almost a
perfect square in fact.
#66: Okay. Now, is it square or rectangular? I don't
know?
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#08: It's almost a perfect square, I'm sure it's not
perfect, but it looks like a perfect square.
#66: Now, in comparing the size of your story square
building to the size of your pole, we have a
building about as big as a pole or, do you want to
qualify this drawing and say that the scales are not
drawn to scale.
#08: I'll assume that this is not scale, this is
perceptions in terms of distance, in other words,
maybe the pole is big because I was at the pole.
#66: I understand.
#08: And therefore looking at the pole--
#66: How about writing on the drawing then, "not drawn to
scale".
#08: It's drawn to perspective at the time that I was
there.
#66: Sure, I understand your problem.
#08: I'm darn sure that some of it is exaggerated and
some of it diminished, depending on the perspective
and the distances involved and the point of view at
that time.
#66: Sure. Okay, anything else you want to add?
#08: No.
#66: Okay, good.
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