CENTER LANE INTERVIEW SUMMARY - CL-1014/8304/01

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• Publication Date: May 26, 1983
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SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary CL-1014/8304/01 (U)
1. (S/NOFORN) On 032100 May 1983, source #01 was interviewed by #66
concerning the events and personalities mentioned in a hand printed
letter which had been received as unsolicited correspondence by the
2. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) For this interview source was shown the
photograph of the intersection and was asked to focus his efforts on
the events at the intersection
3. (U) A transcript of the interview was perpared including a
narrative description of the drawings which source provided (see Incl
2).
4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for sponsor. This
report related the salient points of the interview. Attached as an
exhibit to the Agent Report was a copy of source's drawings (see Incl
3).
3 Incl
as
FREDERICK H ATWATER
CPT, MI
OPS/TNG Officer
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#66:
There's one event of interest.
to me.
#01: ...See a long black a...limousine. It's parked in a
gravel area. There's three men, driver, two in the
back. There's a truck with a cover or a cab type
arrangement... .This is a military truck...and it's
pulling in the gravel area. And there's a driver
and a passenger ..... The a..truck..its passenger is..
goes to the limousine...and talks to one of the
passengers of the limousine... and they come back to
the rear of the truck...Then look at
a. . .package. .they open the package and look at
it.... The..
#66: Tell me about this package.
#01: The impression of... .documents with ...a..cut away
..pictorial representation of. aircraft, a. black
box..ideograms, diagrams.. a.. things that are like
blueprints. Get an impression of--a..
#66: Tell me about the package.
#01: Package is..a..
#66: You've told me about some sort of contents, but you
said there's was a package.
#01: Package is wrapped in a...cloth, it's oval in shape,
a..circular, tubular, a...longated. Get a hardware
impression of..some kind of some kind of a guidance
nose or ..... nose cone or apparatus ...... I can't tell
if it's really there or if it's... represented in the
documents.
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#66: All right.
#01: But it's wrapped in canvas. Documents are...in
a...like a cloth of bag or
a...zipperbag.... Passenger of the truck and the car
are. they go back to the car and. ..second passenger
from the car is going-to the back of the
truck...truck passenger and the-first passenger of
the car are going with the driver of the car to
a...a..some kind of a building,. that's a..got a
black glass doors and it's like-built like a bank,
heavy, heavy type building, brick.. .And they're
a..doing something with accounts or transferring
money-filling out some kind of paper to transfer
money ..... The a..second passenger in the car is
looking at the package-while that's going on, is
taking photos.
#66: Describe this procedure to me.
#01: He's a..spreading these things out on the bed of the
truck and...taking photos, pages..
#66: Okay. Look through the items that he photographs
and see if they're all the same type of items, or
there are different items there.
#01: ....Get an impression that I'm looking at different
items,..different time ...I keep getting a very
strong impression of the. like radars at one point,
emitters and receivers... then another time I get
impression of some kind of air to air defense
system..And then I get an impression of a guidance
system for a rocket, an air to air rocket.... These
are--
#66: Okay, I don't quite understand, let's focus now on,
taking pictures. Describe the items that he takes
pictures of.
SG1A window. There's a man standing and he '9
there's an activity happening
#01: It's a.. .guidance system for some kind of rocket--
#66: Okay--
#01: --air to air rocket,..blueprints and--
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#66: Okay. I want you to describe the physical things,
not what's contained in them, but the physical
things that he takes pictures of.
#01: ..He's actually photographing a real rocket nose,
it's like a section of the rocket.
#66: Okay. Now in these, in these documents, he
photographs a blueprint type thing, is there any
other kinds of documents in there or any other
objects that he photographs?
#01: Ah..there's written pages,.. diagrams.. what appears
to be some kind of maintenance type log...um....then
inventory sheets of some kind... primarily the
other-they're schematics of the guidance system.
#66: Okay. Now, I'd like to go back to something you
said. You said that you had some impressions of
different times?
#01; ...Yes, like different... different materials.
#66: Break this out.
#01: They're not there now, but they're.... photographed
too someway. . .sort of like it took two trips.
#66: Okay. Tell me what happens after he finishes
photographing these things.
#01: ..He a...puts everything back in the box and the bag
and.. .puts everything back the way it was..and he
goes back to the car ...and waits for the others to
come back...Then the a....others come back and
they-talk at the car and.... the guy, the passenger
of the truck, is like, he's given more money,...this
time in cash.. .And he goes and then he gets in the
truck and he..drives away.
#66: Could you describe this truck to me again?
#01: ..... It's like a fairly beat up military truck, it's
gray, but it's got a...white top or a pattern in
white, on the ceiling...and a dark gray
almost... charcoal cover on the back. It's a
military, a pickup truck. When it leaves, it goes..
through the gravel lot..and around the red brick
building and..goes....ah..north....goes north.
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#66: All right. Now, you said in this pickup truck,
there were two individuals, a driver and a
passenger, tell me about the driver.
#01: ..... An impression he's working for,..doing this is
as a favor for money-for his friend.
#66: Describe him physically to me.
#01: ...Um...middle late twenties, probably
twenty-seven..5' 6"..145 pounds,..military, he's
military.
#66: Break this out.
#01: A..impression of a military uniform, some kind of
work fatigues...his baseball cap is blue..some kind
of white letter on the front ...He's a...a..immature
in a way.
#66: Break this out.
#01: ...Ah...
#66: Raw data?
#01: ...Um...doesn't understand what's going on...doesn't
care ...Ah..single, E5, E4, He's an E4..needs the
money, just does this for money...It's just one more
job to do..He's like a hustler.. .Ah. .get the
impression he doesn't really know what's in the back
of the truck....but the passenger does.
#66: The driver, describe his place at work.
#01: ....See a row of like..a six dorm type
buildings... wait a minute, that's overlay...Ah...see
a..it's like bins, some kind of storage bins, tables
with tools.. .large building like an aircraft
hanger.. .lots of tools and cages, wire cages..parts..
#66: Now, you said, in the pickup there was a passenger.
Starting with the incident, tell me about the
passenger. Tell me about this passenger.
#01: Um..impression he is also military, but of a..higher
grade, like a E7, E8...He's friends with the younger
man. He's a..36, 35...5' 7", 5' 8", 165 pounds,
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brown, kind of curly hair ....... Get a...get an
impression of school buildings when I think of him.
Keep seeing classrooms...
#66: Okay. I want you to stick to him, rather than other
locations. Tell me about him personality wise, the
passenger in the truck.
#01: ..Um..he's is in trouble, trouble with the money...
#66: Break this out.
#01: ....An impression of divorce or something like that,
heavy alimony or child support. Spends too much
money, owes bills..Get a trapped feeling, as well,
like he can't quit... .Trying to make it to third
year,..third year for...time to quit.
#66: Break this third year concept out.
#01: ...I don't understand that, just get a...got to make
to third year, end of tour or end of service.
#66: All right. Now tell me about his place of work.
#01: ........ Get like a long, zig-zag white building, two
floors, and classrooms. It's inside a double fence,
white, I think white mason block. See a..fairly
photographic type projections... on a
wall.... cellophane like projections sheets.
#66: Okay. This passenger in the "trap", describe his
activity in this work place. Describe what he does
in his work day.
#01: ...Um..does a..controls text books and things.
#66: Describe controls text books and things.
#01: See him putting-getting copies of books and putting
numbers on the.. covers.. and inventory and counting
books, booklets and folded out sheets... maintaining
instructional material... Checks new sheets..a..
.takes care of mock ups, prototype models,
miniaturize things ....... Works inside a vault
area ........
#66: All right. Concentrate on this individual and tell
me how I can best identify him, how I can best find
him.
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#01: Just a minute ............ .....I think that...find a
connection between ....this a..audiovisual support
area, the school-and someone in the..aircraft
area...There's a personal type connection... provide
a..." type object or a prototype..monitor it
DUMM'4
#66: All right. I'd like you to take a moment now to
explore beyond confines of my questions. Explore
the photograph I've shown you
in
explore.
#01: ...............the a..gravel areas,
been a..used on numerous occasions and the a..
#66: Describe used.
#01: Meetings there many times, different cars,
vehicles.. surveillance should be established, I
think. ....... Just a minute, I'm looking for a time
frame. ........ First week of August, first 10 days
of August....
#66: In terms of surveillance during August '83?
#01: That's correct .... A..midmorning hours apparently
are... appropriate time period ...... Early evening and
midmorning hours..seem to be the general times...
#66: All right.
#01: .....Check bank accounts on people in
the... audiovisual support the school...Some kind of
air defense school, air to air defense... where they
teach pilots how to... use their early warning
systems on their aircraft.... That's all I get.
#66: Okay. I'd like you now to draw those areas that
you've described.
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#01: Page #1 is an overhead view of the work area of the
driver of the military truck and I didn't, I guess
didn't say it in the session but it appears to be
like the corner of a, inside of a maintenance area
of an aircraft hanger. I'm going to put maintenance
area with a question mark on it. And it's got all
these caged areas with storage bins and work tables
and everything. Very distinct impression of yellow
stripes on concrete inside.
#66: Okay, before we move away from that drawing. Just
thinking now about that drawing and this guy that's
the driver in the work area, is there anything more
that you want to add about him, how you might
characterize that individual? If you were talking
about him, not that you perceived him during a
session, but it was the kind of a guy that you met
on the street, what might you say about that guy?
#01: Oh a guy that's easily led around and doesn't know
what's going on around him most of the time and is
very immature, big interest in money, what money
buys that sort of thing. Has no loyalties. Always
getting into some minor trouble. You know, showing
up late for work, showing up drunk, you know, never
seems to do anything right, that kind of guy.
#66: Oke-doke.
#01: Page #2 is an example of a zig-zag building, the
school type building, that this guy works in.
#66: Which guy is that?
#01: The passenger of the military truck.
#66: Hm-hm.
#01: It's inside a double wire fence and there's a guard
entry. There's a whole lot of school buildings in
the area, but this one specifically is inside a
double fence. It's, I got the direction of a brick
dorm building type area on here. And I get this
great feeling of audiovisual support or a place
where store training mockups and documents and tech
manuals and he works in the vault where they store
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all this stuff and controls the incoming and
outgoing supplies, manuals for classes and whatnot.
It's a white building and it's made out of masonry
block. It's got windows that got triple panes of
glass in them.
#66: Okay, before you leave this drawing, if you had met
this guy on the street and talked to him a while,
what would you say about him, if someone asked you
about this guy, this passenger?
#01: ..Quiet, keeps to himself, very interested in
getting some kind of nestegg together or putting
together a block of money so that he can go and do
what he wants to do, under a lot of stress right
right now, lot of pressure, from money problems.
Psychologically he 's got a problem. I don't know,
I guess that's it, really.
#66: Okay.
#01: Page #3 is an example of the position of the
vehicles in the gravel area. The direction the
truck came in and left. I labeled all the
passengers by numbers and wrote down who's who in
the glossary here at the bottom. And I get a
feeling like this is a kind of a routine meeting
place, you know, like they have met there before.
Maybe not all the time, because of, you know, it's
just more convenient to meet somewhere else, but it
seems like this is where they meet on occasion. I
get a feeling like the truck, the military truck, is
usually the same. That the limousine changes color
and whatnot. You know, it's not the same limo or
it's not a limo sometimes, sometimes it's a, I don't
know, a station wagon and sometimes it's something
else. There's always three guys in the limo.
#66: Okay. We didn't cover it in the session but is any
characterization that you'd give to these three guys
in limo?
#01: Yeah, I think the driver's a professional driver.
that's what he does for a living and he's paid to do
that. He's paid to do other things that drivers
do. The key passenger in the limo is the number 2
guy, who does all the first cut inspections of
whatever they're purchasing. And the number guy,
his identity changes quite often, you know, he's a
different person a lot of times. It's like he's the
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qualitative expert in certain areas, that they bring
along to verify whatever it is that they're buying,
that kind of impression.
#66: Okay. Anything else you have to add then?
#01: No, that's all.
#66: Okay, fine.
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AGENT REPORT
For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency Is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence.
1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
2. DATE SUBMITTED.
3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
UNSOLICITED LETTER
CL-1014/8304/Ol
4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
Source CL-01 was interviewed concerning
SGIA
A "long black limousine" (not further identified) was
parked in a gravel area. There were three men, a driver (A)
"
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and two passengers (B and C), in this "limousine.
pick-up truck, possibly military, with a white or patterned
top and a dark gray cover over the back, arrived and parked
near the "limousine" (see drawing 3). In this truck were a
driver (D) and a passenger (E). E went to the "limousine"
and talked briefly with B and C. B and E walked to the rear
of the truck and inspected a wrapped package. This package
contained a variety of documents pertaining to an air defense
system which included subject matter relating to a guidance
or nose cone apparatus (not further identified), a cut away
pictorial representation of "black box" items (not further
identified) in an aircraft (not further identified),
information on air to air rockets (not further identified),
schematics of a guidance system (not further identified),
written information and diagrams (not further identified), a
maintenance type log (not further identified), inventory
sheets (not further identified), information on radar
emitters and receivers (not further identified), blueprints
(not further identified), and possibly photographs (not
further identified). B and E then went into a brick building
which had black glass doors (not further identified) to
exchange money while C photographed the contents of the
package in the back of the truck. C rewrapped the materials
and returned to the "limousine." B. and E returned getting
into their respective vehicles and the truck left. Source
provided no further information on the actions of the
".limousine."
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S. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT
6. SIGNATURE OF SPECIAL AGENT
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For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 381-20; the proponent agency Is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence.
1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
2. DATE SUBMITTED
3, CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
UNSOLICITED LETTER
CL-1014/8304/01
4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
Source described the driver of the truck (D above)
as follows:
20 to 27 years of age
145 pounds
Single
Immature; often in trouble, often late-to work
Had close personal relationship with E above
Was enlisted military E-4 (not further identified)
Wore a uniform (not further identified) and blue
cap with white letter(s) (not further identified)
Worked in the corner of a large "hanger like"
building (see drawing 1). This building contained:
storage bins (not further identified)
tables with tools (not further identified)
wire cages (not further identified)
parts (not further identified)
Areas in this building were divided by yellow
lines painted on concrete floor (not further
identified)
Source described the passenger of the truck (E above) as
follows:
35 years of age
5'7" tall
165 pounds
Brown "kind of curly hair"
Enlisted military E-7/E-8 (not further identified)
Was quiet, kept to himself
Was in financial difficulty
Had possibly three. years to PCS/ETS
Had a close personal relationship with D above
Worked in a vault area which supported classroom
instruction. This area was inside a long "zig-zag"
building which was enclosed.in a fenced area (see.
drawing 2).
Controlled textbooks, mock-ups and "audio-visual
items."
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3. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT
6. SIGNATURE OF SPECIAL AGENT
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1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE Of INCIDENT
2. DATE SUBMITTED.
3. CONTROL SYMBOL OR FILE NUMBER
UNSOLICITED LETTER
CL-1014/8304/01
4. REPORT OF FINDINGS
Source provided no information concerning the passengers
of the "limousine."
Source stated the best way to locate these two
individuals was to find a personal connection between these
individuals (D and E) at the vaulted "audio-visual support
area" and the ".hanger type area."
Source believed another document exchange (not further
identified) may take place between 1 and 10 August 1983, most
probably during the mid morning or early evening hours.
Further attempts to obtain information from Source
relevant to the letter met with negative results.
Attached hereto as EXHIBIT I are drawings provided by
Source.
SGIA
5. TYPED NAME AND ORGANIZATION OF SPECIAL AGENT
6. SIGNATURE OF SPECIAL AGENT
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