CENTER LANE INTERVIEW SUMMARY - HU-1039/8307/01

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• Publication Date: September 30, 1983
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IAGPA-F-SD 30 September 1983
MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary - HU-1039/8307/01 (U)
1. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) On 270900 September 1983, source #01 was
interviewed concerning rooms designated to him in Area "F", a building
within a group of buildings with which source was familiar. The
project 8307 sponsor had provided geographic coordinates of the
buildings, a photograph of the buildings, and a map showing their
relative location (see Incl 1).
2. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) For this interview source was shown the
photograph provided by sponsor and directed to focus his attention on
the rooms of interest to the sponsor. Source was aware that this
group of buildings is suspected of being the headquarters complex for
Chinese signals intelligence.
3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared including a
narritive explanation of Source's drawing (see Incl 2).
4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the sponsor.
Attached to the report as EXHIBIT I was a copy of Source's drawings.
This report related the salient points of the interview. (see Intl 3).
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#66: This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours
27 September 1983. Relax and concentrate now.
Relax and focus your attention on the area you know
as area F.
#01: Okay. .. ..Get a ...sort of hallway, its small
rooms on the left and right. ....Inside the rooms
there .... see two or three desks with
people,.. ceiling to floor bookshelves .... See lots
of ledger books. ....Desks have slanted tops.
...Ledger books fold out, with foldout sheets one
fold,...real heavy paper,..a rough, rough finish,
..fold out left and right. ..... See a..looks like
incomplete... incomplete line charts, block
charts ,..small squares of lines .... very few to the
right,... however numerous going left. ........
have a....small figurines drawn,..some lines..stop
with no blocks, ...top edge center of ledger
is-columns, vertical columns,... some longer than
others .... top a..top characters are underlined.
..Some are crossed out. Books are labeled with
dates started then .... group of...numbers, eight
digits..and an area....place, names, city place
name. .....information's copied..into the
books from .... thin, narrow paper folded-back on
itself like...thick, like thick a...stack of IBM
paper but it's cut narrow, with short columns,
numbers characters are mixed,... appears hand
written. ...Keep unfolding...across the top of the
desk from..left to right, but read right to left.
,...Different colors,..some books are... different
co.l.ors for... different, represents different
levels .... ah...different levels of communications.
Personnel are....young, intelligent,..early
twenties, late twenties, male, female mix,
civilian. ..Sense a very high IQ,...very, very
dedicated. Don't get any strong religious
commitments, just nationalistic commitment.
..Third person in room is supervisor for room.
Five rooms have separate supervisor, different
area. Each five room block has a....ah.. a main
command network. ....See significant problem area,
it's not...too organized, no one checking
ah..interconnectedness of command networks,...
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except what's obvious. ....Trying to feel the
areas that are... recorded .... I just keep
getting.... coastal regions north coastal
regions,.... extreme northeast coastal
regions, some islands ...... primary
interest is,...command control nets for rockets.
..Ship-born rockets, ....... flash of hammer,
sickle, that might be overlay. ......... Apparently
work done in these areas are continual or
rechecked, check, change, constructing, of line
block diagrams. ........ That's all I get in this
area.
tthese
#66: All right. These books which are posted or
hem
new line or block diagrams, what happens when the current information is analyzed and posted?
#01: Just a minute. .....Initial changes are.. posted
in certain color ~book .... previous postings, this
book if it's the same or reposted in second color
book and annotated on the narrow fold out sheets on
top of desk,.. in the same color. This goes to the
room with the long tables. ..... Deletions are
different, deletions from book are. only done by
supervisor and... deletions are always ...annotated
on separate card, and carried to room with long
tables.
#66: All right. Is this room with long tables in area G?
#01: G intersects in the hallways,... across building.
....It's like a different area of building, 9
portion,.... center.
#66: All right. if ad right,
by the work is the posting of line
and block chart data.
#01: Yes, to existing charts.
#66: All right. Now I'm interested in the front end of
the process and the content or subject matter that
is received by this office and is used in this
posting.
#01: It's ah...it's very narrow fold out stacks,
paper,..comes from, ...just a minute ......... comes
from place away, from this complex,..numerous
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areas, it's ah...symbologies apparently stamped,
automatic stamp or...initiated by someone at remote
places or areas. .....Stacks are wired together in
bundles and shipped here. There's a...there's
a..methodology of how these are...laid out.
appears same number of lines to each fold out,...
same line each fold out has same number of
characters but not all the time.
#66: Okay, how is the information entered on the
foldouts?
#01: See a large black square flat machine with
operator, many keys, 300, 400 keys, almost like
type press. He initiates character print by
touching key,...... apparently response, or key
response, key pushes... dependant on some
format,... other machines, other electronics. But
there's a, a ah.... requirement that human being
initiate key.
#66: What is the, describe the origin of the information
which is eventually posted in area F.
#01: Just a minute. I'm getting so far away it's ...give
me a second. ......... I don't see whole machine, I
see...blocks in row with lights and numbers
flickering ....Some's steady numbers, some flicking
one to another, dependant on a oscillation of some
kind, large black electronic wall, many-numbers
and blocks. That's all I get.
#66: Okay. Return to area F now, and I have one other
question.
#01: Just a minute. ......... Okay.
#66: Okay, in area F now as they are recording the
information on the ledger sheets, this information
that they are recording, describe the age of the
information at that moment when they record it.
#01: .............Get a...variable age due to distance.
Rh.. earliest is 72 hours, latest is a week, Older
is discarded as not good. .....Don't see a great
deal of automation, seems to be a problem.
,....Most long distance transfer information is
apparently over sealed landline, ...dedicated land
line to circuits.
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#66: Okay.
#01: ..........I feel like there's a process I missed
somewhere here, maybe one other, one other element
of interpretation in the front end, but I can't
isolate it. It's like sometimes it done, sometimes
it's not. ...............That's all I get.
#66: All right, I have no further questions.
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DRAWING EXPLANATION
/01: Okay, page 1 is the beginning of a two page
A is
rendition liken reflow presentation of the electron p wall
a pictoraph ic rep
thndat whatnot,
which produces numbers and oscillations n and
which is interpreted inatstep s with about 300 keys.
down on large table appar rodkey,
It produces a foldout narrow Cpaper type
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which is represented in step oldout which is sets of
example of that narrow page
characters and whatnot, it goes to area F. And area
F it's put on top of the desk and translated or
checked against ledger books of different colors,
which is step E. And the result from that is step
Fl which whenever there is a significant color
change indicated, it goes on a 3x5 card typ wl ch is
re pape ,
which es hand carried o area G right w
Or when there
presenting characters and numbers.
is a non-significant or preliminary change in the
block diagram itself, it's sent as a ripped out
portion of the narrow sheets to area which
area
indicated at step F2. They usually circle
that's significant. That's it.
#66: Okay.
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AGENT REPOT
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On 27 September 1983, Source Z6-Ol was interviewed
concerning offices within a buildin known to Source as Area SG1A
"F" in a group of buildings
Rooms in Area 'IF" were divided into sets. A set consisted
of five rooms and represented a "main command network" (not
further identified) and each set had a separate supervisor in
a different area (not further identified). Individual rooms
were occupied by two or three people. The third person in
each room was a supervisor. Inside the individual rooms were
desks with slanted tops, ceiling to floor bookshelves, and
different colored ledger books. The different colors (not
further identified) represented "different levels of
communication" (not Further identified). These ledger books
(see drawings) were labeled with dates started (not further
identified), a group of numbers, perhaps eight digits (not
further identified), and an area, perhaps a place name or city
name (not further identified). The ledger books contained
heavy, rough finish paper sheets that folded out both left and
right. On these sheets were drawn what appeared to be
"incomplete line charts, block charts" (riot further
identified). Information was copied (posted) into the ledger
books from "thin, narrow paper folded back on itself" (see
drawings) which had short columns of numbers/characters on it
(not further identified).
Information processed in one room (not further identified)
seemed to have come from islands in an extreme north/northeast
coastal region (not further identified). This information
related to "command and control nets for ship-born rockets,"
possibly Soviet (not further identified). The origin of
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information processed in the Area 'IF" rooms was from various
distant locations at least one of which had some kind of
electronic machine which was as large as a wail, black and had
many lights and numbers (not further identified). From here,
information was put into a manually operated, square, flat
machine with many keys (not further identified). This machine
produced the thin, narrow paper used by the personnel in the
rooms in Area "F" to make entries in the ledger books. Source
did not describe in detail how the personnel in area "F"" got
the thin, narrow paper but did say that stacks were wired
together and shipped (presumably to Area 'IF") and that most
long distance transfer of information was apparently over
"sealed land line, dedicated land line circuits" (not further
identified). Source felt there may be one other level or
element of interpretation of the information prior to its
posted in Area 'IF" but was unable to provide information
relevant to this possible additional element. Information
being posted in the colored ledger books was a minimum of 72
hours old. Information older than one week was discarded as
"not good" (not further identified). After the ledger books
were posted, personnel in the rooms did one of two things: If
the posting required a deletion from a ledger book and/or a
change in entry from one color ledger book to another, an
action which could only be done by a room supervisor, then
this was annotated on a separate 3x5 type card and the card
was sent to the "room with the long tables" in Area "G"" (Area
"G" being the building contiguous to area '"F"); if the posting
required a "non-significant or preliminary" change (not
further identified) to a single block diagram or within the
same color ledger, then this was annotated on the applicable
portion of the thin, narrow paper and sent to the "room with
the long tables" in Area ""G".
Source characterized the personnel working in the rooms in
Area "F" as male and female civilians in their.early to late
twenties; intelligent and very dedicated with a nationalistic
commitment. Source reported a significant problem in that the
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operations in the rooms in Area "F" were too organized
(structured). No supervisor checked on the
II:Lnterconnectedness of command networks" (not further
identified, but perhaps referencing a lack of interoffice
communication between each set of five rooms).
No further amplifying information concerning SUBJECT was
provided by Source during this interview.
Attached hereto as EXHIBIT I are drawings provided by
Source.
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