INTERVIEW SUMMARY

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: STARGATE
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP96-00788R001600260001-7
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: S
• Document Page Count: 11
• Document Creation Date: November 4, 2016
• Document Release Date: June 19, 1998
• Sequence Number: 1
• Publication Date: April 25, 1983
• Content Type: MFR

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IAGPA F-SD 25 April 1983
MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary - CL-1009/8302/01 (U)
1. (S/NOFORN) On 200900 April 1983, source #01 was interviewed
by #66 concerning the third floor of an unidentified building
under construction in an attempt to determine if there was any
intelligence threat to the area. The project 8302 sponsor had
previously provided a schematic diagram of the third floor for
use during an earlier interview (CL-998/8302/01, conducted 15
March 1983). For this interview the sponsor provided a
photograph, undated but during construction, of the building
question (see Incl 1).
2. (S/NOFORN) For this interview source was shown the
schematic diagram previously concealed in a sealed envelope and
the photograph provided by sponsor. Source was told that the
building was still under construction and thbttit was being built
in a foreign country by foreign workers. Source was asked to
focus his attention on the building in the photograph during the
construction phase and search out any intelligence threat that
he might find. Source was not provided any further data nor was
any available to this office.
3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared including a
narrative explanation of the drawings which source provided (see
Incl 2).
4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the
sponsor. This report related the salient points of the
interview. Attached as an exhibit to the DA Form 341 was a copy
of source's drawings (see Incl 3).
3 Incl
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FREDERICK H. ATWATER
CPT, MI
OPS/TNG Officer
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#66: This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours
20 April 1983. Concentrate now, relax, relax,
relax. Focus your attention on the the building in
the photograph I've shown you, during construction
and describe your perceptions to me.
#01: Impression of a..a large portion of the work is
finished. See interior walls are going up ..... Keep
being drawn to the elevator area .......... Got.. I
don't see anything wrong with the pilings anywhere,
....I keep finding myself inside the elevator shaft.
#66: Explore.
#01: I am, just a minute ....... See exposed, ...exposed
corners on ..... it's in the corner, it's exposed
corner of beams,...inside the elevator
shaft,..inside of ....some kind of metal...studs
that are like...sawed off or cut off. They're
not-broken away and plugged, they're
just-clipped. Seems to be
abnormal... construction. It's every floor though,
not just the third floor.
#66: Scanning this construction phase, scanning the
construction phase of the building, focus on that
which is a threat to the security.
#01: ......Just keep getting drawn into the elevator
shaft..ah, primary concern is the access to the
elevator shaft...
#66: Break this out.
#01: ...I ask myself that question, I find myself on top
of the elevator in the elevator shaft looking at the
corner. See a...see access to some kind of paired
metal studs..into power...Get an impression
of...fine wire attachment, but not yet, later.
Black box later,..easy access later... undisturbed
access later...Metal studs are important, but
they're not a anything special right now.
#66: All right. Take a moment to orient yourself now so
that you may draw this for me ....... Now take a
moment to focus on the items attached later and
describe them to me.
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#01: Just a minute ..... Just get a black box under a
ledge,..center wall right of elevator. Wire going
parallel to black cable to large black box on
wall-and wires going under ledge to corner
studs ..... But none of its there yet. It can't, for
some reason it can't be put in until building's
being occuppied. Get a feeling of, you got to
wait...Most important is the access.
#66: Break this out. for nilf
#01:
wCan't get on't matter. the elevator
can shaft, at ,the .l . basement
or any floor.
#66: Did you say the access is important in that you can
not get to the shaft?
#01? ? ..Access is important-for the threat later. Won't
be any threat 'til later.
#66: All right.
#01: ...See some kind of duct work going into the
elevator shaft too....So there's more than the
single access route .......... Think the duct work has
something to do with the a...metal studs.
#66: Break this out.
#01 Get a direct physical connection. I don't know how
to explain that .... Just get a thought of connection
and it's physical.
#66: All right.
#01: And that finished .. won't This alI m getting. until it's
fi
#66: All right, fine. Remember the perceptions you've
had so,that you may draw for me.
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DRAWING EXPLANATION
#01: Okay, the drawings, I did two. Page #1 is like a
view from inside the elevator shaft and I labeled
everything there. What is important is access to
the elevator shaft, that's critical for implementing
the threat after the building is finished.
#01: Page #2 is a projection of this elevator shaft,
looking through all the floors and how this
arrangement is wired up and can be moved up and down
through the elevator shaft. It's almost like, I
get an impression they don't know exactly where in
the building they're going to go yet. But they're
making arrangements for where ever that happens to
be, so I think if anything was more important than
anything else it would be the access to the elevator
shaft.
#66: Okay.
#01: After the building is completed.
#66: Can you elaborate at all on that? I'm imagining in
my mind what you might mean by access to the
elevator shaft, whether they be some foreign workmen
climbing up on top of the elevator or something
like, I'm imagining what you might be saying. Can
you elaborate at all?
#01: Ah, what I see happening, okay, is the building
going through completion and being completed. Then
I see having to go in and install this threat box to
these wires or whatnot, up under these ledges. And
these in turn connect to these studs coming through
the corner of the elevator shaft, which incidentally
wrap all the way around the elevator shaft. And
this in turn, is then powered from a nearby box
that's mounted on the wall. I get an impression of
a lot of very high powered cable type things running
up and down the elevator shaft. And everything is
built in a way that it's all readily accessible and
the only way to gain access is through the elevator
shaft. And it's an access that can be done any
time, really by anybody who can gain access to the
building, from any floor and it's an undisturbed
access, because you would not normally have anything
other than maybe an alarm type type device or
something in the elevator shaft. That's my
impression.
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#66: I guess what I'm, Pagterms
to accessyto, the
saying is simply, "Pay attention shaft."
#01: Yes. All that's required to implement this threat
exists in the elevator shaft. It's inherent in the
structure of the building. It's built into the
building. They cannot gain access to the elevator
shaft undisturbed for a, you know, a logical period
of time, a reasonable period of time. Then they
cannot implement the threat, is what I'm saying.
#66: Okay.
#01: And that's about it.
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AGENT REPORT
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THIRD FLOOR
UNIDENTIFIED BUILDING
On 20 April 1983, Source CL-01 was interviewed concerning
the third floor of an unidentified building under construction
in an attempt to determine if there was any intelligence threat
to the area. Source stated substantially as follows:
There was no intelligence threat to the third floor of the
building during the construction phase. After the building was
completed a "threat box" was installed in the elevator shaft
(drawing 1). This black box (not further identified) was placed
under a ledge on the center wall to the right of the elevator
and was connected to a power box on the wall and to studs which
came through the corner of the elevator shaft. Source reported
that these studs were unusual in that they were sawed off or cut
off as opposed to being "broken away and plugged." Source
stated that these studs may have had a physical. connection (not
further identified) with some kind of duct. work going into the
elevator shaft.
Source stated that they (presumably HOTS) did not know where
they would (technically) attack in the building. For this
reason, steps were taken (not further identified) to enable them
to (technically) attack the building by utilizing various
locations in the elevator shaft (drawing 2). Each location was
adjacent to a high powered cable located on the elevator shaft
wall. Source emphasized that there was no intelligence threat
during construction but that access to the elevator shaft
provided the opportunity for the installation of the "threat
box."
No further amplifying information concerning any
intelligence threat to the third floor of building in question
was obtained from Source during this interview.
Attached hereto as EXHIBIT I are drawings provided by Source.
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INTELLIGENCE SOURCES AND DTG: 051630ZJUL78
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