CENTER LANE INTERVIEW SUMMARY CL-994/8210/01

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• Document Page Count: 20
• Document Creation Date: November 4, 2016
• Document Release Date: May 17, 2000
• Sequence Number: 2
• Publication Date: January 28, 1983
• Content Type: MFR

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#66: This will be a CENTER LANE INTERVIEW with source #01. Time
is 0900 hours, date is 19 January 1985.
SG1A Focusing on 8 December 1982 at
there is a building. Locate the area of spider like objects
and describe the area on 8 December 1982.
#01: I have a machine that is very tall. I got to figure out where it
is....Very tall, it's got four open ends, and a series of
clamps, open hole in the center, round thick, dark black metal
base. Spider objects are inserted in the hole, their webs
come out.
#66: Describe the machine.
#01 It's clear, tall. It's got pieces of vertical movement. It's got
an umbilical cord that goes to a sit down console.
#66: Describe console.
#01: ...Screen shows sign waves, paper roll that has six output pens.
Shows variations of sign wave. It's in the basement of the new
building. Just a minute, I'm losing it all of a sudden.
#66: I'll wait.
#01: There's an impression that these are..both manufactured
underground for some reason or another.
#66: Explore function of machine and console.
#01: Some kind of stress test. See clamps come down and insert
in the slots that hold the wires and the steady pressure of the
plunger from the top. There's a readout through the wires.
...And they're recording extremes...Something else there too,
just a minute.
#66: I will wait.
#01: ...Someway I'm left with an impression that this is a piece
or a part of something larger. Keep getting....keep getting a
view of very light weight object, but hard. It's some kind
of.plastic. It's oblong and it's got four edges that are
rounded Seeing people trying to, trying to stick things
through it or push things through it.
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#01: Black, like deep space, it's black
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Describe the area surrounding it.
#66:
the spider like object.
Focusing on the area of the machine and console, tell me about
#01: ..Shinny, hard, keep wanting to call it plastic but it's not.
It Changes color, it's..looks black but it's very deep blue,
blue color when the light's right.
#66: Size?
#01: ...Palm, palm size, it's like a hockey puck with a hump...
Keep trying to look through it, but all I see is a bunch
of wire..
#66: focusing on this obect now, move to a time before this, before
the area of the console in the machine, describe the object
and its surroundings, a time before this.
#01: See it on a metal rack, it's in a holder. There's a bunch of
them. And they're racks on wheels and there's....Getting
furnaces now.
#66: Describe.
#01: See these spider objects on edge, between gas jets, they're
like blast furnaces, intense heat, very white, devices are
cherry red,..no, that's wrong, they are different colors,
white to red. They're very heat resilient, it's as if they
cool very rapidly, hardly any expansion or contraction, very
dense. For some reason they're heating them, only one at a
time. And only heating them to certain degrees. Each one
varies, and they're stacking them in the rack on this
cart...I see that the wire is pressed in after. (mumble)
two halves come together, pressed into this wire, it's mesh.
Starting to get an impression that this is the connecters of
some kind or connected in some way...
#66: Describe the impression you have that makes you say this.
and
#01: See grid patterns, where the lines intersect I see these palm
sized devices fastened. They're holding..ah..some kind of
weaving of lines all intersecting out. Get lost in it.
#66: Are these the wires inside the object?
#01: Part of it, but it's all interlocking.
#66: Okay. Move to a time now before the furnace and before the
objects stacked in the rack. Move to a time before this.
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#01: Seem to find myself in a lab of some kind. It's another
building.
#66: Describe building.
#01: "T" shape, "T" the cross part of the "T" very tall and thin.
Leg part of the "T" is lower and thicker. Some kind of a
plant,like chem, chemistry or lab type place.
#66: Describe how they go from this place to the place of the
machine and the console.
#01: See..people in coats, white coats mixing glass viles of
some powders. Putting powders..in...containers. Containers
are dropped into a machine. Just a minute....Keep jumping from
machine to the furnace....I think they're molded in the
furnaces. Then other furnaces heat them after they're cooled.
Go through some kind of process, they come out and go on these
carts with wheels. They're wheeled down a long corridor to the
new building, stacked in a room, have numbers on them.
#66: The - -
#01: Just wait a second, I'm getting a pattern here, has to do with
these, I see them stabked off center like checkers. I don't
know what that means, but it's important...Very much like the
weaving pattern. I don't know where that takes place.
#66: Okay. Listen carefully now. This place of lab and people in white
coats, before the furnace, describe the means of transport from
the place of lab and white coats to the furance.
#01: It's long corridors.
#66: Describe corridors.
#01: Many lights gray, square, wider than high, not more than 12
feet wide, 9 feet high. Just a lot of lights. See guard
gates though, no, gates is wrong, see guards. There are
people standing checking, checking things through doors.
#66: All right I have no further questions, concerning the spider
like objects. I would like you now to explore on your own and
comment as you see fit. Do so now.
#01:
Hear a.....distinct crack noise, like cracking noice somewhere
in the new building where these devices are being checked.
It's not a crack, it's more of a snipping noice. I don't
know where it's coming from though. That's all I gat.!
#66: All right, fine.
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DRAWING EXPLANATION
The Drawings, drawing #1 is the place where the devices are,
the spider like objects. That's where we first went. That's
the top view to the left and the right view is the over all
view.
Page #2 is where these devices sort of come from in a way.
It's the location of the furnaces and it's a different
building.
#01: Page #3 is a little complicated, but this is different from
my other perceptions in that this was like in, it had no
background, you know I couldn't view any background, no
rooms in the background, no objects in the background. This
is like a free space kind of view of what the objects are
and how they're put together and everything. And so I get
an intense feeling like this is more of a concept of
some kind. And it should be taken as that.
#01: Page #4 is another part of the concept where I perceive people
trying to poke holes through these sheets, these knobby sheets,
And I don't know what that has to do with the first page
of concepts. But this is also a concept drawing. And it
also may not be the scale.
#01: Page #5 are long corridors. This is how they transprt everything
around. I just keep getting these visions of really bright
well lit gray walled corridors with big double door entry, exits
and little door for people with guards.
#01: And Page #6 is the "T" building where the chemists work with their
beakers whatnot, that were putting together the, some kind of
packets. That's it.
#66: Okay, thank you very much.
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On 19 Januar 1983 Source CL-01 was interviewed
concerning During a previous interview
(CL-973/8210 11, con ue e 8 December 1982) Source
described "spider like objects" in an area in a building.
This interview was an attempt to have Source further
describe this area and these objects. Source stated
substantially as follows:
Initial manufacture or construction of the "spider
like objects" began in a lab in a "T" shaped building.
The building (not further identified, but not the
previously identified building) might be a chemical
laboratory or plant. Personnel in white coats mixed
powders and then put that mixture into containers. These
containers were then placed in a machine or furnace in
another location (not further identified, but possibly
underground). The objects may have been molded by this
machine or furnace. After this, the objects were reheated
in other furnaces. Each batch of objects was heated to a
different level or temperature, different colors white to
red. The objects were very heat resilient. They cooled
very rapidly with hardly any expansion or contraction. At
this point a wire mesh was sandwiched between two halves
and the objects developed a hump and looked like a "palm
sized hockey puck". The batches of processed objects were
numbered and placed on carts for cooling and transport.
The carts of objects were then taken through a long well
lit corridor to the basement of the newer section of the
previously identified building. Here the objects
underwent some kind of stress test.
In the basement area there was a very tall machine
with open sides, a round thick black metal base, and a
center component which moved vertically above a hole with
clamps. The "spider objects" were inserted in the machine
for testing. During testing steady pressure was applied
to the objects by the plunger. The wires which had been
installed within the objects were then used to measure
extremes (not further identified). During this test a
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distinct crack or snipping noise was reported. The object
itself looked shinny and hard. It was black or deep
blue. This machine was connected to a console. The
console provided a readout of the test. At the console
personnel were recording extremes occurring during the
test. The console had a visual display (cathode ray
tube), a control panel, and a graphic output for a record
of the test results. The visual screen showed sign waves
and the graphic output showed variations of sign waves.
NOTE: Source felt that this test had something to do
with a larger hard oblong light weight plastic object.
Conceptually, people were trying to push things through
the object.
No further amplifying information was obtained from
Source during this interview. Attached hereto is EXHIBIT
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