TRAINING SESSION TRANSCRIPT HU-1042/TNG/03

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• Document Creation Date: November 4, 2016
• Document Release Date: June 19, 1998
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• Publication Date: October 14, 1983
• Content Type: TRANS

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#66: This will be a CENTER LANE training interview for
0900 hours 14 October 1983. The time is 0900
hours. Acquire the local site.
#03: Trees.
#66: Correct.
#03: Open.
#66: Correct.
#03: Road.
#66: Near the site.
#03: Swings.
#66: Near the site.
#03: Like an antenna. Break.
#66: Okay, now write AOL, antenna, break. Acquire the
local site. We're still on general concepts now.
#03: Rolling.
#66: Correct.
#03: Grassy.
#66: Correct.
#03: Cable.
#66: Can't feedback.
#03: ...........
#66: Report.
#66: Okay. We're now going to move into the sensory
area, so the next prompter I give you , we're going
to move the stage 2 arena. Tell me how the
situation feels to you, the kinesthetics, the
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feelings, the sensory inputs that come from the
site. Acquire the site.
#03: Cool, shady.
#66: Correct.
#03: Breeze.
#66: Correct.
#03: ......Gravelly ground.
#66: All right. Now from your posturing, is that a
confusion break?
#03: Description break. It's hard to explain it.
#66: Okay. If it's hard to explain, it's a confusion
break.
#03: Well, I know what it is but I, it's kind of gritty
ground, I can kind of feel crunchy as you walk
around on it, crunchy, maybe that's the word I want.
#66: Okay. We have a,... listen to what you said now.
You have a walking around. You have a sound,
"crunchy" and you're trying in your head to figure
all that out, which means you are not reporting the
signal line fast enough or we have to slow down the
input, so that you have time to report it. Okay,
so we're working on stage 2s and they don't come
linearly, they come in chunks. You had a too much
break.
#03: Too much break.
#66: You had a too much break.
#03: That's because all of them happen in conjunction
like that.
#03: And while we were talking, I had the impression of
dried leaves, which is not unexpectable.
#66: That's fine. Okay you had a too much break. Okay,
compose yourself.
#03: Okay, let me put this down here. Okay.
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#66: Stage 2s, acquire the the local site.
#03: Rustle.
#66: Probably Correct.
#03: ...... Leaf fall sound.
#66: Probably correct.
#03: .......
#66: All right, you had a sigh and a worry and something
there. what? Declare what went on in your head.
#03: It was probably again a too much break.
#66: All right. Get a new piece of paper.
#03: Okay, I've got a curved road going through the
woods like that in the shade.
#66: Curved road going through the woods in the shade
near the site. Okay, too much break
#03: .......
#66: Acquire the local site.
#03: ....Confusion.
#66: Break. Okay, now declare your confusion. You say
I have a confusion break, now you declare. Tell me
about your confusion.
#03: Oh, I was getting all sorts of picnic ground sort
of images, garbage cans, water faucets, those all
outdoor.
#66: Write all those in, outdoor, picnic table, garbage
cans. Yeah, okay, that's fine. Okay we're looking
exclusively for stage 2 feelings about the
target,only those things, so that includes colors
and sounds, and so forth. All right
#03: Okay.
#66: So write down a little S2 on your paper. All
right, acquire the local site.
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#03: Brown.
#66: Correct.
#03: Hard and cool.
#66: Correct.
#03: ..........
#66: is that a confusion break I detect.
#03:L An analytic break
#66: AOL break, declare.
#03: I get rocks.
#66: All right. _ Acquire the site.
#03: ...... Rough.
#66: Correct.
#03: ......... I get a stage one, whatever, I don't know,
down, AOL it's like a valley.
#66: Correct. Let's stay on the break now, we're on
break now. You are no longer on site.
#03: All right.
#66: Tell me about this down, is it an up looking down,
a up and down, something down below, tell me about
the AOL.
#03: It's like, I'll tell you how I got it. It was like
I was standing there in the edge of the woods,
turned around looked out, and there's just kind of
a little swale that goes off in to the distance,
then you see something out there. It's a gradual
smooth sort of a ground.
#66: Okay, now are you telling me you had a visual?
#03: Yeah.
#66: Okay. At this stage in the game, visuals are AOL.
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Your mind is trying to make something visual, this
signal, this remote viewing stuff, at this stage,
is not visual.
#03: That's why I put AOL valley down here.
#66: Very good, very good. There may in fact be a
valley or a down component, but your mind tries to
make you go visual on it and it's properly declared
as an AOL.
#03: That's what most of my images are, or what most of
these things turn up as visuals. But there I try
and interpret the essence of what that is.
#66: Well, when you try to interpret the essence you are
spending too much time. That's fine. Draw a line
across your paper. Write s2, acquire the site.
#03: AOL break. I get a lot of these. Hard, cool metal
girder.
#66: Okay.
#03: So hard and cool if it's in there.
#66: Okay, visual of a hard cool metal girder.
#03: Yes, red.
#66: Red in color. All right. Acquire the site.
#03: Hollow sound.
#66: Probably correct.
#03: .......
#66: Okay. You've got to do something it's been too
long.
#03: I've got a ..well it's a break.
#66: All right.
#03: I guess a confusion break.
#66: Okay. A new piece of paper. Now summarize your
stage 1 and stage 2 signals. Go back and look at
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the stage 1 signals. Go back and look at the stage
1 signals that I told you were correct and the
stage 2 signals I told you correct and write a
summary.
#03: I just want to put, I had some AOL here just before
the break.
#66: All right. Very good.
#03: I got an overhead, it's like it's open on the
sides, but there is some kind of roofing overhead.
#66: Okay. A feeling like something overhead, but
opened at the sides.
#03: Yeah, right. Okay.
#66: You're going to write this down on your third piece
of paper and you're going to label it summary at
the top. Okay, put Sl and then summarize your
gestalt. What do you know about this general
site. Look at your paper, don't go to the site,
look at your paper.
#03: I read these and it reminded me of what I---
#66: 1 know.
#03: Okay.
#66: We're not on site right now.
#03: Okay, I get the idea of , okay, I'm just using the
same sort terms here, I won't say what I think it
is.
#66: That's right. All you do is write down what your
corrects are. You said things and I told you what
was correct. Write down what you know, basically
what you said, what you know about the site.
#03: Okay.
#66: Say them to me as you write.
#03: Okay, There's open areas, trees.
#66: Fine.
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#03: Road near by and swings. It's kind of a rolling
terrain, it's grassy, cool and shady with a breeze.
#66: Uh, uh.
#03: I don't know what the feedback was for gravelly,
rough ground, crackly or whatever I say.
#66: Crunchy, that was when you walked or something like
that. That was a too much break.
#66: That's fine. Let's not worry about those things,
those are AOLs. They may be relevant, but let's
not worry about them. If you declare them as AOLs,
then that's what they are right now.
#66: Before you go on, look at me. AOLs are not right
or wrong, they're different and that's why you
declare them as being different. Usually they are
your mind trying to explain something of the
target. Sometimes your mind explains it correctly
and sometimes it screws it up. So AOLs are not
right or wrong, they're AOLs.
#03: Okay, they're oranges when we're talking about
apples then.
#66: Maybe.
#03: They might be apples but we don't know it.
#66: Or tangelos.
#66: Okay, write down stage 2s now and continue your
summary. What do you know.
#03: Okay, okay, brown, hard and cool, rough, down I
guess, downward or whatever.
#66: Right.
#03: Hollow sound.
#66: Right.
#03: I guess that's all of them. Well, I don't know,
there's a hard, cool and red. It's like hard, cool
metal.
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#66: Okay, write those down, hard, cool red metal.
#03: I don't think I got any feedback on those.
Probably because it was an AOL at the time.
#66: Right.
#03: But I got a strong impression that those elements
were there.
#66: Okay, get your summary, now read your summary out
loud.
#03: Okay, trees, I guess in the stage 1 I had trees,
open area, road, swings, rolling terrain.
#66: Road and swings near by.
#03: Yeah. I better put that in there. Rolling
terrain, grassy, cool and shady with a breeze.
#66: Okay, and what are some of the stage 2s about this?
#03: Brown, hard, cool, rough, downward, hollow sound,
hard, cool and red.
#66: Okay draw a line across your paper. Stage 3s. Now
we're going to look for dimensional things. We
want this target to have a change in aperture now,
we want this dimensional thing like you were to
suddenly now like on a camera, you are going to
close the F stops down, and this thing is now going
to receive a dimension thing. Understand what I
mean. In camera talk, you understand what happens
when you close the F stop down. Suddenly you get a
depth of field to the target or a change apperture.
#03: (mumble) perspective.
#66: Yeah, you're going to close the aperture down and
move to stage 3 and this site is going to have a
depth of feel to it. All right?
#03: Okay, are you talking about size of objects in
relation to each other, or are you talking about
distances.
#66: Don't worry about what I'm talking about, just
listen to what I'm saying. We're going to change
the aperture on the camera, all right. And this
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site is now going to have a depth of field to it.
So now I don't want to know about stage is and
stage 2s, the only thing you're going to report to
me is the depth of field of the target. Don't
worry about what that means, just report that
information to me, all right.
#03: Report whatever is that you don't know ---
#66: You don't have to understand. Remember you're
responsibility is only to report, not to understand
or make sense out of what you're reporting. All
right? Write down S3.
#03: Dimensions. Okay.
#66: All right.
#03: All right.
#66: Acquire the local site. Time.
#03: ........Confusion break. I guess I'm not--
#66: That's fine. You're doing just fine. Remember
stage 3s are expressed in sketches and things,
okay. You can't necessarily say these things in
words. The expression of stage 3 signal is ah..
drawings and sketches.
#03: Okay. I wasn't copying what stage 3 was, and that
was the problem, I didn't know what I was doing.
#66: The way you express stage 3 is through drawings and
sketches. All right.
#03: Okay.
#66: All right. Acquire the local site.
#03: .............. That's that girder I was, thought I
was seeing.
#66: All right. You can say some things about your
sketches.
#03: ....I'm getting an overhead view, woodline, open.
#66: A wood line near the sight. I know that. Write
down stage 3 at the top of the paper. Acquire the
site.
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#03: ........AOL. Household power meter.
#66: Okay. Let's stay on AOL break. Write the word
break, AOL break, that means we're breaking from
the signal line here. You must express with your
hand before your mouth.
#03: Oh, okay.
#66: Stage 3 signal lines come through in sketches and
then you talk about what happened during that
sketch afterwards. The signal won't come through
correctly if you allow it to process verbal. Don't
let it process verbal. Let it come through the
hand first.
#03: It's a hard one to draw, it's easier to say it.
Okay, stage 3
#66: Stage 3, acquire the local site.
#03: .......I got what I think was a swing set. Posts
attached by cable. ...... See Saws.
#66: Okay. Draw a line on your paper. Okay, now we're
going to move to stage 4. Stage 4s are activities
or actions that happen at the place. You want to
describe what our outbounders are doing at this
locations. Okay.
#03: Okay.
#66: Now this is done, not in drawing so much, but in
verbalization. And here we can get visuals. You
can also t kinesthetic feelings, you know like
being dizzy, drowning, or breathing heavily or you
know.
#03: Umm, umm.
#66: Really get into the meat what goes on, what are
these outbounders doing.
#03: Could I have picked up stage 4s earlier on?
#66: Absolutely, absolutely.
#03: And can I put them down if I still have that
feeling.
#66: That's right. And remember the correct signals
come through in sequence, there fore stage 4s
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perceived earlier have less likely hood of being
true if they don't come through, I 'm not saying
they're wrong. If you still have them, should do
them. If you get them during the stage 1 time
frame, what you do is zip off to the side of your
paper and write stage 4, rivel frabit, right. What
I'm saying is you have to learn to recognize the
difference between a stage 1 and stage 4. Okay, so
we're ready to move on to stage 4s. Acquire the
local site. Describe activity.
#03: Walking.
#66: Correct.
#03: Picking something up.
#66: Can't feedback.
#03: I lost it. Break. What kind of break?
#66: I lost it break is fine. Notice how good you were
in your descriptions, they were three word groups,
not complete sentences, it's excellent.
#03: One problem I have to get over right here, and I
just now recognize it, (mumble) I keep wanting to
reply to your reply and that distracts me. Okay
let's try it again.
#66: Acquire the local site. Describe activity.
#03: ......... Touching something.
#66: Probably correct.
#03: Climbing.
#66: Correct.
#03: AOL, ladder. AOL break.
#66: AOL break, ladder.
#03: Ladder, steel, rungs, still stage 4?
#66: Yes. Acquire the local site. Describe activity.
#03: Sight seeing. Pointing, discussing, sitting on
edge. AOL break. I guess this is AOL. I get the
impression of a, like sitting on the of a metal
platform., and dangling feet over.
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#66: Okay.
#03: At right that instant I got a picture of one of
those little playground merry-go-rounds. I'll put
it in, what the heck. I think my brain was trying
to associate things there.
#66: Oh, absolutely. That's properly declared as AOL.
#03: Okay, break.
#66: Yes. Okay stage 4s. Break out walking.
#03: ....Strolling around. ...hands in pockets.
#66: All right, 15 minutes ago, describe walking 15
minutes ago.
#03: Got an instant picture, a line, here we go again
with AOL again.
#66: Fine.
#03: Break. Soon as you said that, I got a picture I
had before where they appeared to be walking,
didn't of ducking a little bit under a platform
sort of thing with gravel on the ground underneath
and it was cool and shady underneath.
#66: Okay and you have them walking underneath something
up on poles, is that correct?
#03: Yes, they walked under here. And I'm getting too
specific I know but--
#66: All right, go ahead.
#03: But Tom had put his hand on a pole or metal thing
and was saying something about it.
#66: Okay, now I'm going to ask you to do something a
little different now. Okay, put your pencil, your
pen on the that little sketch you had, put your
pencil on the thing that's being held up by the
poles. Describe.
#03: Well, now it seems like a horizontal ladder.
That's what I thought of when you said that.
#66: All right.
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#03: I'll mark that in here. I guess that isn't the
impression 1 got from it before.
#66: All right.
#03: It might be a different object.
#66: Okay, put your pen on it again. Keep your pen on
it, tell me stage 2s, what's it feel like, sensory.
#03: Hard and cool,..... shaded,... and solid.
#66: All right, draw an arrow to it and write those
words down underneath.
#03: And I got the feeling then of that corregated kind
of metal, like they have on truck bumpers
sometimes, corregated steel or whatever it is, with
little bumps on it.
#66: All right. Put your pen back on that. Okay,
describe activity associated with this.
#03: Holding something up and something on it. Then I
get an AOL transformer. Another AOL of microwave
tower .... in Germany.
#66: Okay, those are good AOL declarations. Okay, go
back to your drawings and see if you can find that
previously stage 3s.
#03: This may be part of it. But I don't think anything
else has anything to do with it, in fact I think
that this is part of it.
#66: Okay, what is it that you pointed to.
#03: This is that thing that was a girder, that I said
was a girder which was kinder of like an "I" beam
with rivets in it or something somewhere. And
before I had an image of Tom putting his hand on
that which would tie in with this over here.
#66: All right.
#03: So that may be part of it.
#66: Okay. Okay, I have no further questions, do you
have anything that you want to say?
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#03: No. ........Well, there is one thing. I got
little yellow flowers.
#66: Okay.
#03: 1 keep getting these, (bumped mike) I got this
cement culvert standing on its end.
#66: Okay, draw me a sketch of that, because I don't
understand what you mean.
#03: Okay.
#66: New piece of paper.
#03: Oh well, I'll put it here. (mumble).
#66: Okay.
#03: It's kind of like this. And it's sitting in the
gravel. I think it's part a playground and it may
part of the playground I saw a long time ago too.
So that's an AOL, definitely.
#66: A cement culvert.
#03: Okay.
#66: And that's just a piece of one you drew there?
#03: That's it. It seems like it's about this tall.
How tall is that, about 2 1/2 feet.
#66: Okay. We'll call this end then. You always write
down end, that means we're through then. Okay?
#03: Did we use up half hour already?
#66: More than.
#03: Is that right?
#66: Yes. Okay?
#03: Yes.
#66: Good.
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