DEBRIEFING OF FRANCIS GARY POWERS

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• Publication Date: January 1, 1962
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EBRIEFING OF FRANCIS GARY POWERS
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15 February 1962
1031 hours
Mr. Powers
Alright, one question. At any time did they raise
with you flights in the Far East by the IJ-2?
Powers: They wanted to know once or twice - I don't know - I
know it came up at least once if I knew anything about
U-2 airplanes in Japan. And I told them I had never
heard of it.
laterr-: Did they refer to the incident of the forced landing?
Yes, they did, and I told them I had never heard :)f t.
Interr-: Did they make reference to
interr-:
No, they made reference of flights out of Germany and
they mentioned B-57 D's and this was in '56 and 1 felt
sure it was the U-2. I'm not sure.
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Powers: No
Interr-: Didthey make reference ever to the loss of the U-2 in
Germany?
Powers: As well as I can remember, they didn't.
Interr-: I believe we broke off in the middle of a question there
on that last day, Frank. Just to sum up thenjcan we
arrive at this conclusion that - that you did follow the
practice of evading and lying to them - lying to them
not by telling them something but by denying
knowledge when you wanted to withhold and felt that
you could withhold valuable information that would be
embarrassing to the Government if it was disclosed by
you?
Powers: Yes. There was a -
Interr-: And these examples that we have used here are examples
of that technique that you applied?
Powers: Yes. I felt that the most important thing - or that
seemed to me the most important thing - was to keep
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flights out of it. I thought that would be very - very
important because I knew that each one would be used
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to the fullest extent for propaganda and the situat o
in the Middle East might do a lot of harm to the
American policy there.
interr-: And at the same time playing down your personal
role in this matter -
Powers: Yes -
interr-: to avoid bringing additional pressure on the unit or to
ease your own situation.
Powers: Yes. I - I was always conscious of my own situation.
,nterr-: When - when, if ever, did you become aware that the
United States Government and President Eishenhovs, er,
specifically, had admitted that this was a spy flight.
Powers: Well, I knew that we were waiting on the President's
decision before my flight.
[nterr-: President's decision for -
Powers: That he would approve - he would say yes or no - that
the flight could come. I knew this before I took off
but I said nothing about it. And sometime in May - I-
can't remember the exact date - they told me that the
President of the United States had admitted - that he
knew about these flights and so forth - and they asked
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me if I knew anything about his - his having knowledge
of these things and I told them - no - that all I knew
was that Communications came in, that someone would
fly,a-a?1-sa-eire--Nv. This was speaking of our
flights as a whole out of
Interr-: When-when they told you that the President had admitted
a knowledge of these flights, did this change your - your
technique of handling your interrogators in any way?
Powers: Well, it actually - I don't know whether it should or
not - but it made me feel good that a - that a man in
his position would take such - such a responsibility.
He could have probably kept it out - I don't know. As
far as I was concerned it would never have been
mentioned that I had any knowledge of the fact that the
decision was his on this particular flight anyway - and
he admitted this and it just made me feel very - very
good toward the American Government that someone
in such a position would take the responsibility of
something like this. As changing my decision - I
stuck pretty much to the first plan I had made of with-
holding all I could by trying to - to convince them that
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I was telling the truth all the time.
interr-: Did they seem when you would evade them and z-hislea.
them on these things, would they buy this story or
the outset - or would they -
Powers: At the outset - no - but later on they seemed to - to -
they would be skeptical a lot of times, but it se,hmea
that they would buy the story. They would be skeptical
and ask like - like a - they asked me how many
flights I had made. I'm sure they never believed that
I had only made one, but I don't know how many times
they asked that question; but I kept telling them that
and I think they believed it - and a lot of these things
like - like the Middle East, they never did even ask
there had been any other flights over other courtri es -r
the Middle East. I had stressed the point that the
job was to fly - the main job was to fly along the norci
of the Soviet Union and we did a lot of weather resea/
altitude weather research - and we flew over the
Mediterranean some and to - tried to convince them
that I felt sure that they knew that there was quite a
bit of flying going on. I don't know whether thesr nave
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spies r not but I am sure they do - and
anyone who was close at base would know that yo414wo
were flying quite a bit so I tried to tell them a - that
there was a lot - I told them that there was more
border flights than there actually was because I had
to - to - or at least I thought I had to account for the
flying time that was flown there
y the U-2.
Like this Black Sea business, I was there maybe
once or twice and I told them several times; but
I told them not over the Black Sea but over the
northern coast of Turkey because I didn't know, I
couldn't remember where the border was on the
Black Sea. It seemed to me that I could remember
somewhere that the Soviet and Turkish border was
very close to Turkey somewhere - I mean the
Soviet Union considered this not international water
but belonging to two countries and so I told them it
was along the northerNcoast and we did have many
weather flights, training flights that did go along
the north coast there for awhile.
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When did they first bring up that you were going tp
be tried - when did they first present this to you?
')owers: Oh, I knew - they kept telling me when I first g(.t
there that I would be tried, but I didn't believe them
for quite awhile. They told me when the trial would
be - somerwhere around the first of August I tk, rik
it was.
They notified you around the first of August that it
would be on the seventeenth?
ewers: On the seventeenth. And that surprised me - it
seemed to me intention that it would start on my
birthday - the seventeenth of August and I asked
them about that -- Why did you pick the seventeenth?
They said, it just happened that way.
niterr-: Did they threaten you with the death penalty or did
they tell you that you could receive the death penalty?
'owers: They told me many times - many times that this -
this a - my crime was punishable by the death penalty
or prison; but they mentioned the death penalty many
times.
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Interr-: Now what did they require you to sign in connection
with preparation for this trial process.
Powers: Each interrogation - now this was odd and I would
think - after each interrogation, it might be several
days after the interrogation when the stenographer had
transcribed her shorthand to typing, it would all be
in Russian at first and I refused to sign them because
I couldn't read them and then they started giving me
English translations and the man, the interpreter
would read over the - the - would translate the
Russian to me, but I had no way of knowing if he
was translating right. They required me to sign
both the English and the Russian. At first I refused
to sign the Russian until they gave me some English
copies of it but that did no good anyway because
the English could be one thing and the Russian could
be another so I don't know when it was that I decided
to go ahead and play along with them and sign it.
It was only the - as well as I can remember - the
transcripts of the interrogation that they wanted signed.
Interr-: They didn't come up with any so called legal documents
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such as hi-1-1-644ke.el-wiidifr charges - I forget what they
call them, but the trial papers acknowledging that
you were being charged.
Powers: Yes, but that was later in May - not right at first.
Interr-: Do you recall what they call that document?
Powers: No, I can't recall what they called it but it was some-
thing saying that I was charged with violating Soviet
air space, that a - for espionage purposes and that I
was - would be helped for investigation. It wasn't a
very long document. They had several like that and
I don't remember exactly what they were. I think my
rights as a prisoner that I would be entitled to legal
counsel which I never saw until just before - well, a
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week or two before the trial, maybe - the time when
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I found out the trials I think this lawyer came,-
Grinev.
Interr-: This appears to be the same procedure that was used
on the RB-47 and we've got the names that the Russians
apply to these things so don't worry about them.
Powers: Well, if I hear the names maybe I can recall.
Interr-: try to dig that out a little later here.
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Interr-: Now what kind of writing did they have you doing
yourself?
Powers: They wanted a personal history from about the time I
was born until - until May the first. They wanted to
know where I'd lived, when I'd lived at different
places. Of course, I was very vague on some of this
stuff, not only because I didn't - well, there was no
classified information in most of it except the latter
part -- my memory wasn't good enough to recall the
dates and so forth.
Interr-: Did they want you to deal with other personalities, your
friends - tell all about your friends in this paper?
Powers: I don't think they mentioned anything about during my
early life, to tell about my friends or anything. But
they wanted me later to mention names and probably
hoped that I would make a mistake and mention a
bunch of names of the people that I worked with.
They wanted me to describe the airplane and so forth -
I did very briefly and they brought it back and told me
that that wasn't enough and to do it again and I did it
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again withholding as much as I could from it, but
they - I think - know quite a bit about that airplane.
Like I mentioned nothing of gust controls - they came
back and asked me what the flaps went up for, what
was the purpose of that and so forth. I don't remember -
they seemed to be - they didn't press that too much on
this - they wanted the personal history and the
particulars about the airplane is the only thing they
brought back for me to write again.
Interr-: So theywanted biographic statements and statements
about the plane?
Powers: But it was all to be done together. They told me
what they wanted in this biographic statement.
Interr-: Training?
Powers: Pardon.
Interr-: XYYeliXThey wanted things about training?
Powers: Yes, they wanted about Air Force career and the
training I had received and for - for the U-2 -
let's see - Ask me some more questions about that
andm.aybe I can recall it, but right now --
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Interr-: In connection with the weather flights did they question
you at length about the purpose of the weathei flights?
Powers: No, they didn't seem too interested in that.
Interr-: Did they ever indicate that you might have been collect-
ing atomic debris on those flights?
Powers: Well, they asked me what I knew about the equipment
and I denied knowledge about weather equipment as
well as all other equipment. All I had to do at a
certain time was flip a switch. I don't know whether I
ever mentioned to them that collecting atomic debris
was part of it. I don't know.
Interr-: Were they concerned with specifics about the altitude
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of which you flew your weather
Powers: Let's see - I don't remember the question. They
didn't seem to be too interested in the weather -
I don't remember whether they asked too many
questions about the altitudes or how it was done or
anything else. But as well as I can recall they
weren't too interested in that at all.
Interr-: Now with regard to the interrogatixrnss, how many
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people were involved and name those that you can
recall.
Powers: I've been trying to think of the main interrogator there,,
for several days and I can't recall his name, but I know
I will one of these days. The one who did most of it.
The one who did - who was present during practically
all of them and took over many of the interrogations
was a Major Vassalyia. V-a-s-s-l-y-i-a.
Vasslyia. It was - well, I never did like him - they
were both fairly young in appearance.
Interr-: Let's try to describe this Vasslyia. Did he have a
first name to your knowledge?
Powers: Well, the only way I know his name, is I saw it on the -
he also signed the interrogations. I got to where I
recognized the Russian characters and I could get
the sounds from it to a certain extent. I heard him
referred to as Vaaylia but I don't remember any
first name.
Interr-: Did he speak English at all?
Powers: No.
Interr-: How old was he? We'll try to describe him -
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Powers: He was in the - I'd say - early thirties.
Interr-: How tall was he?
Powers: I think he was a little shorter than I, approximately
5' 9", he was 5' 8" - now this is just a guess.
Interr-: That's right. What would you say he weighs?
Powers: Well, I would say he'd weight a hundred - roughly -
a hundred and fifty pounds. He wasn't heavy.
Interr-: Build - slender, medium stocky? How about his --
Powers: Maybe a little.on the slender side - slender to medium.
Interr-: How about his hair?
Powers: It was dark, but I don't remember the color.
Interr-: Did he have a lot of it?
Powers: It wasn't black. Yes, he had a lot of hair.
Interr-: Bushy?
Powers: Not - not bushy, but it was long and he combed it up
I think in front and back, but I've seen it when it was
hanging down and it was fairly long hair.
Interr-: Glasses?
Powers: No - no - no glasses.
Interr-: Color of his eyes?
Powers: I don't remember.
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Interr-: Did he have any particular tricks or twitches or did
he smoke incessently, cigarettes or pine?
Powers: No, he didn't seem to smoke very much, in fact, none
of them did except the interrogator who smoked more
than both the investigators.
Interr-: Did he have a mustache?
Powers: No.
Interr-: Anything about his teeth? Did they seem normal?
Powers: They seemed normal.
Interr-: How about his complexion? Tan - weather beaten -
Powers: Fairly smooth complexion as well as I can remember.
Maybe a little on the - the red- wait a minute - well
he was darker than the other one so it was a little
on the reddish, darkish side - not a tan though - I
think it was the normal coloring for his skin.
Interr-: Was he in uniform?
Powers: Yes. He was always in uniform. The other - not
always.
Interr-: This man you think is below the rank of the otheilman's
name you can't recall.
Powers: They were both majors --
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Interr-: Both majors.
PoWers: --but the man was senior in this particular investigation.
The other man he - he conducted most of the investiga-
tion but he was practically at every session. I think
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he missed one or two. I?know I can remember that
other name. I told myself I'd never forget it, but
Interr-: Any outstanding characters of this man's face? Was
he sharp and pointed, round or --
Powers: This - this Vissylia?
Interr-: This Vissylia.
Powers: Sort of sharp as well as I can remember.
Interr-: But never English.
Powers: No, not a word of English.
Interr-: Do you think he understood English.
Powers: I'm sure he didn't, but I can't be positive.
Interr-: Were your interrogators - were these two majors?
Powers: Two majors - they did 99% of it. And then when I had
to see the higher officials, Zrudinko did most of the
talking and question asking. There was another time
that there was - I'mxkoix sure he was a colonel - who
said he was a pilot and he couldn't understand why
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I didn't take practice flights just inside the Soviet
Union before taking the big flight.
Interr-: Now this one - whose name you can't recall momentarily,
can we describe him?
Powers: Seems to me he had a reddish hair - not dark red or
bright red - but a reddish tinge to it.
Interr-: How old would you say he was?
Powers: Early thirties.
Interr-: The same as Vissylia.
Powers: Thirty-four, thirty-five - I think Vissylia was a
little younger.
Interr-: And - and how tall?
Powers: I think he was approximately my height.
Interr-: A little taller than Vissylia? Would you say he is
lighter or heavier than Vissylia?
Powers: Well, they were both about the same - he might have
been a little lighter - he was light built.
Inter-: Slender - slender.
Interr-: Any indication that one ranked the other?
Powers: Well, the only indication was that - that he was in
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charge. This a - one that I can't remember his name.
of
He - he was the man that did most/the question
answering and he would interrupt/the other occassionally
so. I'm sure he was the boss, but most of the time,
practically all the time, there was a Colonel present
who was - I was told - was from the prosecutor's
office, that he had to be there to see that everything
was conducted right. He never asked questions,
he just set there and listened.
Interr-: Did you ever hear his name?
Powers: I'm sure I heard it, in fact, his name was down on
some of these papers but I can't remember it and
I don't think --
Interr-: Does the name Pankrotov ring any bells with you?
Colonel Pankrotov?
Powers: It - it doesn't ring any bells, but he was a fairly big
man. I think maybe a little taller than I was and
heavier. He would weigh - something - about like
your build. Always the informed.
Interr-: Put down there
that the Colonel needs some PT.
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Powers: You - you could say that. He was protruding a little
bit in front, but not much. Looked like he'd been
eating too good.
Interr-: Go - go back and give the description on your reddish
haired man. Thirty-five, roughly 5' 9" in height, light
build, slender type. Now his hair was reddish - how
was it again? Full, lots of hair.
Powers: It was fairly short. Shorter than the other man's
definitely.
Interr-: And did he wear glasses?
Powers: No.
Interr-: Smooth shaven?
Powers: He apparently had been to Germany sometime.
Interr-: Why do you say that?
Powers: Well, he would occassionally try to say an English
word which wasn't very good, but I heard him say a
German word or two. And it seemed like to me,
I think he told me he had been in Germany.
Interr-: Did he speak English at all? Did you get that?
Powers: No, I'd say he didn't speak or understand, but well, it
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might have just been a cover up the way he would pro-
nounce an English word, but it's a good buy or try to -
something like that and it didn't come out very good.
Interr-: And, can you describe his face, Gary? Round, long --
Powers: No, it was - the face was a little on the long side,
complexion was fairly white, he wore civilian clothes
quite often, in the summer time a short-sleeved shirt
quite often. As far as I know they were both married.
Both of these people.
Did he have any unusual characterisitcs? Excessive
smoker, shake, have a tick in his face -- anything?
Powers: Nothing like that, but he quite often used the Russian
word for so - tak; when he would ask a question,
think awhile, then say tak - tak. Quite often he
used that when he was thinking or thinking about
what I'd said or thinking of another question. Maybe
if you have a photograph of the trial, I can pick these
people out. If they're there, I can pick them out and I
know they're there.
Interr-: Then about the interpreters? How many of those did
you have?
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Powers: One or two days, there was an interpreter - I cannot
recall his name - from, he said he was from the
foreign office. You see, I came in on Sunday, late
Sunday afternoon and - it was during the first
interrogation. The next day they said - well, that night
they said how would you like to see Moscow and I said
certainly I would like to see Moscow. And they
took me on a small trip in a car around Moscow the
next day and pointed out a few things. His English
was not quite as good as Rodichev's, although he
had good knowledge of English. So that was two
days. From then on it was Rodichev all the way
through with the exception of just a few days that this
Finnigan - Finnigan - was there.
Interr-: Rodichev and Finnigan appeared in the RB-47 case.
We know who he is. .Finnigan - we've been unable to
identify. Maybe you can describe him.
Powers: Well, I didn't see him too often, but his English was
relatively poor. He kept - it seemed like trying to
be friendly - everything is all right, boy in English.
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That's all right boy or - I noticed that in particular.
His appearance -- seemed like his hair was dark,
I - I didn't see him but just a few times.
Interr-: Was he a Russian or was he an Irishman?
Powers: Well, I asked him that. The first time I heard or saw
his name - I said - Finnigan, that's - that's an Irish
name, isn't it? With that, he said, no that's Russian,
we call it Finnigan - so apparently he was Russian or
at least that's the impression he wanted to give me.
Interr-: Can you tell us if he was a big man, little man--
Powers: He was slender. I'd say shorter than I am which
would be 5' 9". I think I'm 5' 9" with shoes on
anyway.
Interr-: Hair?
Powers: I think - I don't know.
Interr-: A lot of it?
Powers: I - I don't remember.
Interr-: Any unusual features about this man? Mustache, beard --
Powers: No mustache, no beard.
Interr-: Glasses?
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Powers: No glasses - at least I don't remember any glasses.
Interr-: Uniform, did he wear?
Powers: No, never in uniform. Neither of the interpreters were
in uniform.
Interr-: Let me ask you something else just to switch it a
little. Did any of these interpreters speak with what
you would interpret to be an American accent as oppossed
to British?
Rodichev.
Powers: /This other man - in fact I asked Rodichev, have you
ever been to the States? Then, he said, no. Because
this interpreter I had during the trial that was my
lawyers interpreter was an English teacher at the
University there, I think, and he - he spoke British,
definitely British, but Rodichev could have passed
anywhere in the United States as an American. In
fact he spoke better English than I do, better pronoun-
ciation, etc.
Interr-: Were you exposed to any of these equipment technicians?
Powers: Yes, they would come in and ask questions about this
two - three times. The camera equipment they asked
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about, the aircraft they asked about --
Interr-: Ballistics (?) 22 or toxicology examination of the - and
a -
Powers: Yes, but Idon't remember if I ever talked to those
people or not or they just sent in the report on it, but
I know that there were a group of experts - one that was
interested was a very fat man, very fat man and old.
Over sixty.
Interr-: Were you ever exposed to a guy, Major Sasha Lander(?)?
Powers: The name isn't familiar. They didnit - many times
didn't say anything about the names and probably
couldn't necessarily believe them when they did - I
don't know.
Interr-: What - what was their proceedure? Would they come in
and interrogate you about your equipment, then leave
and come back some days later or - ?
Powers: Well, the reports, I didn't see any of the reports on the
equipment until they said that I was allowed to review
the evidence of the trial or the evidence of the
investigation before the trial, but they would interrogate
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me about the equipment and the reports came in -
as I said, they were part of the evidence that I had
the opportunity to review shortly before the trial
to three weeks, I don't remember.
Interr-: In that connection, was there any coaching in prepara-
tion for the trial, any limitations on specific answers
that you might give at the trial?
Powers: No - no they didn't say anything about - don't say
anything about this or say something about this. They
said just answer the questicns. Of course, they already
knew the answers that I had already given to the
questions, so they knew what the answers would be.
There was one incident, it might have been a mistake
on their part - it might not. They mentioned something
about Formosa. And they wanted to know if I thought
the Americans were illegally occupying and I told them
no. But in the transcript of the record that came back
my answer was yes and I made them change it, so I
don't know whetheilthey tried to sneak that through thinking
I wouldn't catch it by misreading the answer I gave.
They could have done it by reading the answer wrong and
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and I would have never known the difference and would
probably have signed this thing.
Interr-: Frank, did they withhold from the information produced
during the trial - information that you had given them?
In other words, during the course of the trial they
were withholding things that you had told them.
Powers: No - no everything that ttold them wasn't there at the
trial, but it seemed that they had a purpose at this
trial. In fact, it was - I'm sure - rehearsed because
I don't remember if it was my lawyer or ism one of
the other people around that told me how long approxi-
mately the trial would last and they told me almost
exactly to the minute. I don't know how they did this
and I think it was a mistake because later I asked
someone else during the trial and they didn't know.
Interr-: So, everything you talked aboullat these interrogations,
did not come out at the trial?
Powers: No, a bunch of things that didn't come out. You see
there were about six to eight Volumes of stuff - I
think maybe two of them are photographs. There are
some things that didn't come out but I don't think they
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were - well, I don't know whether they considered
them important or not - but it seemed to me that they
had a definite plan for this trial and arranged the
questions to bring out this particular -
Interr-: Well, then their indictment that they published referred
to these volumes, page 709, volume VI, they would
give a citation to something that they had in the
indictment.
Powers: A lot of these things in these volumes were repelition.
Interr-: Going on here, again in the interest of time -
Powers: Yes, sir.
Interr-: ?.describe yourself and tell us about your living
conditions in that cell while this was going on.
Powers: If I'm not mistaken, the number of the cell was 79.
It was about - I'll stand up here to try to just measure
What is that - about --
Interr-: Seven, eight or nine feet.
Powers: Eight - nine feet wide and I would say, about this long
which is about fourteen, fifteen feet, sixteen feet,
something like that. I should have paced that off -
I paced it many times.
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Interr-: Brick walls?
Powers: No, it was - I would say - sort of plaster walls, painted
two colors, water paint or white wash paint at the top
an oil type paint at the bottom. The colors I don't
remember now, but when they brought me back I was
at another cell in the same place when I was coming
back to Berlin to be released. It had blue walls
with white top. I don't know what it was but there
were cracks in it, smooth and it seemed like there
was wood underneath but something like a plaster,
but maybe cement because it would give some when
you walked across it and squeak. Squeaked like a wood
floor occassionally and it was red or rusty color.
Interr-: When you say a white top --
Powers: White was was what it was.
Interr-; --well, how far did the white color come down the
side walls ?
Powers: I would say about shoulder height, which is maybe
four or five feet and the ceiling was this white
wash which would come off if you ran your fingers
over it.
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Interr-: And it was dark colored down below that?
Powers: It was definitely dark color in both of the cells but
I don't remember the color of the first.
Interr-: Now what was the lighting arrangement?
Powers: During this particular time, the cell I stayed i during
the investigation, there was a place for a light over the
door but there was never a bulb in that and then there
was a light in the center of the ceiling which - a very
bright light - was never turned off at night and usually /-7/
on most of the time during the daytime because not
much light came through.
Interr-: At night with this light burning were you permitted to
put your head under the covers or under the pillow?
Powers: They didn't like that but I could put a handkerchief over
my eyes. I arranged to tie a handkerchief behind my
head and keep it over my eyes. Very uncomfortable
to sleep that way, but that was all right, they let
that go. They wanted to be able to see - it seemed that
they wanted to be able to see my head whenever they
looked in the door at night.
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Interr-: Would they make you have your hands outside the
covers?
Powers: No, they - after the first day or two, I was going to
change my bed around so that I could have the light
shining so that it wouldn't be shining this way
into my eyes, only the ...wouldn't let me do it.
Interr-: Where was the window?
Powers: The window was to the right of the small end of the
wall opposite the door. It wasn't in the center, it
was sitting over to the right almost against the wall.
In fact, the door - the window facing touched the
wall on the right.
Interr-: Guard?
Powers: Outside the glass. They were double windows and
glass that you couldn't see through. It had wires
reinforced with wire.
Interr-: You mean it was opaque?
Powers: Yes, opaque.
Interr-: Light came through, but you couldn't see out.
Interr-: What type of observation was in the cloor2
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Powers: Here there was only a small hole from the outside
with a piece of glass in it with a sliding cover that
they could move out of the way and on the inside
it was cut so that they could see.
Interr-: In the night.
Interr-: How often did they check on you that way, do you
recall?
Powers: It seemed almost constantly, especially at first
there before the trial. They were watching all the time.
You could hear occassionally someone walk up, a
belt buckle hit against the door or sometimes hear this
thing flap but they were - if - if you heard something
and looked around they immediately closed it. Seemed
like they didn't want you to think that you were being
observed constantly, but they were there practically
all the time.
Interr-: Could you get out of the line of vision at all?
Powers: There was one place that I could have gotten out of
line of vision - let's see - the door wasn't in the
center - I - I don't know how thick it was there - the
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walls were fairly thick in these places. There was
a radiator over in here - I mean inside the small ...
with a screen wire over it. The door was in here
and in this place here, standing there, I could have
gotten out of the line of vision. They would have
come in immediately.
Interr-: I see. Was there a toilet in the cell?
Powers: No and - well, see - at the other prison they had a
can that if you had to go to the toilet except for
specified times you used this can, but here you had
nothing. There was usually a rag to clean the
cell that was laying there in the corner. The window
was over here. My bed was here and they had one
little gadget on the wall with a couple of shelves
about a foot - foot-and--a-half long that I kept a
towel hanging on, soap and toothpaste.
Interr-: Did you have a locker in there of any type?
Powers: No, there was a table, a chair - a chair with a back
which was I think unusual sitting under the window
here. No - no - no - I made a mistake here. This
window - wait a minute now - wait a minute - the
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table was here the window was here on the left hand
side - on the left hand side. Because at the head of
the bed - I remember sitting at the table and I was
able to tell time a little bit, especially at six
o'clock at night by looking through this little opening
at the top of the window in the summer time, when
the offices closed - they closed at six o'clock and
I could see some and when the windows were closed
it was six o'clock in the evening. The window was on
the left hand side of the cell. The table set in the
corner on the right. It was a very heavy table with
a top and I think two Ehelves underneath.
Interr-: Was it fastened to the floor?
Powers: No, it wasn't.
Interr-: How often did they feed you Frank?
Powers: It was pretty regular there because my interrogations
took place at irregular hours and - it usually seemed
something like this - somewhere between say seven
and eight o'clock, I think around one o'clock and
somewhere between six and seven o'clock as well as
I can remember.
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But these varied quite a bit, sometimes the interroga-
tion in the morning would run until two o'clock and
when I got back they would bring something in to
eat.
Interr-: How about your bunk?
Powers: Oh - that's a - I hate to even think about that. It
looked like - just looking at it with mattress blankets
on it about the same size as an Army cot, but had
no springs, had steel, strips of steel or iron welded
to the frame - it was all welded straight across this
way - I don't knowhow many and then seven l long ones
running length ways.
Intern -:
Powers: Yes, but - and I would say those strips were about three
or four inches wide and they left places four to six
inches square in between strips that made this thing
very uncomfortable. The mattress was very thin,
in fact, either the first night or the second night
I got there laying in one position there, I had such
a pain in my leg that it caused an odd dream. I
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dreamed that I was home, my leg was hurting and
I had to sit down by the road and my Mother and
wife and Father were walking on and they were
leaving me there. I woke because of the pain in
my leg there and you had to constantly shift.
You couldn;t lay in one position very long because
in some places it seemed like it was nothing but
cloth. Later on, after I had complained two or
three times they brought another mattress and
put it on top of that. That helped some but not
much. At the head of the bed there was a built up
steel - pre,bably was metal - welded onto the bed
a little wedged shaped thing that was on to the bed
that raised the head some. I had a pillow also and
two blankets. They gave me two sheets also, which
I heard later from my cellmate was unusual because
they usually gave just one sheet and a blanket, and
you had to sleep against the wool blankelibut I had
two sheets.
Interr-: It is interesting to note that McCone also complained
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and they gave him another thin mattress. He might
have been in the adjoining cell.
Powers: I'm sure he wasn't in an adjoining cell because that way
I - I heard someone on the left walking occassionally -
when I say on the left it is on the right - on the right
I heard someone walking occassionally on the left -
Never. Several of the cells were occupied I know be-
cause sometimes when I would go to the toilet or go out
I'd see a door open and I could see that there was a
bed made up and maybe something hanging on the
wall or that way - but they had quite a few cells there -
this - this a - cell block was something like this -
door and steps coming down here, cells, these
were cells in here, cells back this way - I don't
know how many, there was a room here that wasn't
a cell, a toilet in here, other cells here, the
stairway up to an upper floor in the center here and
it was arranged practically the same upstairs as
downstairs and anyone standing downstairs could
seethe upstairs part - it was all one big open place
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there. They had wire across the - a - so that someone
couldn't jump down from the top. I noticed all around
the stairways all through the buildings there were
wires between the stairs where a person couldn't
jump off the stairway down between the steps. Elevators
here - I'll draw you a better drawing of this.
Interr-: ...go on to the matter of letters. When did they
first let you start writing letters?
Powers: I don't remember the date, but they came in one time
and told me - or either came into the cell - or came -
or told me during the investigation that I could write
letters to my family. In fact, I received - the first
letter I received or heard anything about was from a
high school friend of mine by the same name, Powers, and
that might be why I received it. They just brought it in,
let me read it and kept it. That was during one of the
interrogations. It was about this time that they told
me I could write letters.
Interr-: This was in May?
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Powers: I've been trying to think of that. I don't know if it
was in May or June. I think it might have been later
in May.
Interr-: Now then, in connection with writing these letters
with this permission to write letters to the outside
did they levy any requirements on you?
Powers: Well, they didn't - a -
Interr-: As to what you should put in those letters.
Powers: They didn't particularly levy any requirements - but
I had to change several times because I had written
something they didn't like. One thing that was
interesting - I mentioned my dog's name when I was
writing to my wife and they wouldn't let me put that in
there in the first letters as well as I can remember
but I think after she had answered and put it in there
it was all right for me to do it. I wrote a little
passage of a poem that I remembered to one of
my sisters - this was later when I wrote my sister -
and they let that go but they said no more - no more
poetry.
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Interr-: But they levied no requirements that in each letter
you had to mention something about world peace., the
easing of tension?
Powers: No, but that seemed like a good idea and I did that
several times.
Interr-: Why did that seem like a good idea?
Powers: Because they're always stressing things like that.
That's part of their propaganda. They gave me this
book of Khruschev's tour to the States - Live Together
in Peace and Friendship - they gave me that to read.
They're always talking about how peace loving they
are and stuff and I figured that if I did this the letters
would be more apt to go - I didn't know whether
they said - okay, write a letter, take them and tear
them up or if they just wanted me to write to see
what I would put in it and never send them. I thought
that maybe with this it would be more apt to go.
Interr-: Did you at any time, in any of your letters, attempt
to make use of the Air Fore communications sytem?
Powers: At first it was impossible - before the trial when I
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really wanted to do this it was impassible because it
takes a little preparation work to do this and at first
I had no paper and pencil. They gave me some a little
later, but they kept track of the number of sheets of
paper they gave me and counted them and there was --
I could tell that someone was in my cell occassionally
when I was out -- apparently nosing around through
things - and some of the letters I even had to write
in the presence of someone. They weren't particularly
watching what I was writing but they were sitting
around somewhere in the room so it was impossible
at that time. Later on I attempted to write twice.
That was after the trial. After I'd been transferred
to another prison and - well - my cell-mate I think
was all right, but I thought I couldn't trust him. One
day he was mix asleep and I started doing this and he
woke up and I immediately stuck the stuff in my
pocket. Another time he had gone to a dentist or
something - I don't remember what - and I started
to do this, but he camb back too soon and other than
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that we were constantly together all the time and
it was impossible to do it without someone knowing
you were doing something.
Interr-: In other words, this required certain deliberate
arrangement of your writing in such a matter that you
just couldn't sit down ---
Powers: Well, I don't know whether it would require all people
to do this, but for me, I had to sit down and figure
out this particular code and so forth on paper where I
could watch it and continuously refer to it while I was
writing /VAR and count up letters and words, etc.
If there was some little simple arrangement, but if
it is simple, then it might be caught to easily.
Interr-: In other words you found that it was just a little too
complicated andthe system itself was a little too
complicated to apply under the condition that you were
living in?
Powers: Yes. Now I thought that from what I had heard about
work camps - I though that if I was transferred to
one of those I would have ample opportunity to do
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this whenever I needed to say anything.
Interr-: Were you asked --
Powers: Pardon.
Interr-: Were you asked something like this. Are you trying
to communicate in any code? Or were you told --
Don't try any codes.
Powers: No, they didn't ask, was I trying to communicate, but
they had asked me earlier if I knew any - any codes
and I knew no codes. I told them, yes, I knew
Morse code that we used a little bit, but I probably
couldn't use it. International Morse Code. Well,
they didn't ask me code. They asked me cryptographic.
Did I know any crypto?something and I said, What is
that, code? and he said, Yes; and I said, I know only
the Morse code and I never did know that too well
so even though I'm sure they checked those letters
very closely they seemed to believe that I didn't
have any way to communicate.
Interr-; Now, then during this period of interrogation, in
your cell or while you were being interrogated or
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during that period of your life and time there, were
you aware of - were any mechanical devices used
on you?
Powers: There was one mechanical device used, but not - not
in the way of interrogation. They gave me a
toktascopic (? ph) examination while I was there
and - it depends on how you look at it. It could be
considered torture.
Interr-: Yeh.
Powers: But - but it wasn't that way because I had been passing
blood in the stool for awhile and they apparently were
trying to find the cause.
Interr-: Did they do this in the same prison or did they take
you out --
Powers: There - there was a doctor's office right - right aut-
side the place here. Very embarrassing because
there were many people watching me. Very
primitive the way they did it also. But no devices to---
Interr-: But no devices to -- in interest to the interrogation?
Powers: No squeezing the fingers or mechanical devices
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like that. As far as I know there was never a
recording device either.
Interr-: Were there ever any drugs used on you in connection
with the interrogation process?
Powers: That I can never be sure of because the first night
I got there they gave me some sort of a shot in the
buttocks. I don't know whether it was immunization
or maybe even sleeping, for shock. I have no idea
what it was. But, I had no interrogation after
that. Not even the next day because that's the time
they took me on this little trip around Moscow in
the afternoon.
Interr-: Any other shots?
Powers: There was one other shot. I don't know exactly when
but I had a rash in my crotch on my right leg and it
did get to bothering me very much because ax I had
no medicine for it and they tried many different
medicines and couldn't do it. I kept telling them
cordizone (? ph) ... cordizone. Finally, they got
some of that and said it had to be administered with
a shot. I'd never had it administered with a shot
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before, but they gave me this -- the medicine and the
shot and it did help this rash. Now I had a lot of
stomachs Inc trouble and it is very odd - it quit
after I left that place. When I got to Vladimir it -
it wasn't like this.
Interr-: Describe this stomache trouble.
Powers: Most - I had a tremendous amount of gas in my
stomache, loose to, very loose - sometimes it
would hit me, Ihad to go and I had to get to the
toilet very fast. That was the predominant way -
a - sympton.
Interr-: Was it accompanied by constapation?
Powers: Yes. After - after a - a - they would give me some
medicine for this and then I would go for several
days that I couldn't have a bowel movement - then
the same thing. It was continuously the four months
that I was there.
Interr-: Let me get this sequence. You would be afflicted
with diarhea and they would give you the medicine
and then you would be afflicted by constipation.
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Powers: Yes.
Interr-: That's an interesting twist becaus
got the
constipation to the point of agonizing pain and they
would give him the medicine and then he would have
the diarrhea.
Powers: Well, mine was just exactly opposite. The diarrhea
was a predominant...
Interr-: Did you have writhening pains in your abdomen?
Powers: Which?
Interr-: Writhening pains.
Powers: Several times, yes.
Interr-: Cramps?
Powers: Uh-huh. When this diarrhea - it - it's pretty painful
sometimes.
Interr-: How about your stomache.... Burning sensation in
your stomache?
Powers: I don't remember any particular -
Interr-: Indigestion? Heartburn?
Powers: Well, I ate very - very little for several weeks
there. In fact, they seemed to be getting worred
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about it. I don't know how many pounds I lost, but
I lost a lot of weight and they asked me if they could
bring me any special kind of food. They even said
they'd bring me steak but I wouldn't order anything,
I said this - this is all right, I'm just not hungry.
I had no appetite whatsoever for several weeks and
later on I guess - by necessity I started eating
enough to maintain what weight I had left.
Interr-: Did they explain to you or give you any information
as to what medicine they were giving you for this
diarrhea?
Powers: They just said that this - this would help. That's all.
Interr-: They didn't tell you what it was?
Powers: No. What it was or anything like that.
Interr-: Did they tell you what was wrong you you - what
caused this?
Powers: It was change of food for body essentials. That
was the explanation, but it lasted too long to be just
that in my opinion. And what made me feel so much
that there was something wrong was that it didn't
last more than a week after I had transferred
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to another prison.
Interr-: Well, now can you relate these cycles of diarrhea
and constipation in any way to your interrogation
process - would you be called for interrogation while
youwere in these uncomfortable periods?
Powers: Oh, yes. I remember a couple of times the interroga-
tion had to be stopped so that I could go to the toilet.
But the predominate one was the diarrhea.
Interr-: How about any other symptoms, let me just recount
a few. Halucinations, loss of contact with reality,
blurred vision, hysteria, hysteria in the sense that
in your cell during this solitary confinement would
you suddenly break out laughing or maybe go into
hysterical crying for spells --
Powers: No, a - none of this.
Interr-: Sleeping, or unable to sleep.
Powers: Well, tha's something that - a - has bothered me
there. I slept pretty good and it seemed to me
unusual that I could, because later on I didn't
sleep too good. I had very much trouble going to
sleep at night. Maybe it was the strain of the
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interrogation itself that when I came back to the cell
I was exhausted and fell into a sleep. I slept fairly
good there.
Interr-: Did you have any tremors? Trembling anywhere?
Powers: I don't remember any - any a - noticeable tremors.
I know that when I saw my parents the last day of the
trial I was just as steady as I could be - more so
than I am normally. Because I normally am fairly
nervous but I could hold my hand out and was just
as steady as could be.
Interr-: Any nausea?
Powers: I don't remember ever vomiting.
Interr-: Did you ever stagger when you walked that you couldn't
explain? When you were moving along the corridor
was your gate very unsteady?
Powers: Not noticeably so - I didn't remember anything that -
like I was drunk or anything like that. I could
usually walk pretty steady and knew everything I was--
Interr-: Blurring of vision - How about that? Did anything
get fuzzed?
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Powers: Not there, but at the other prison. I think because of
a vitamin defien.cy I had a little of that - but that was much
later - in fact, just this past November or something --
Interr-: Ringing in your ears?
Powers: I've had a constant ringing in my ears since May the
first.
Interr-: Which might be attributable to the sudden --
Powers: I don't know. I cannot remember ever having this.- a -
in fact, it seemed at times that - well, this you might
even call halucinations - but a - there are two or
three different tones that I can hear. One of them is
a steady and sometimes there's a broken tone -
something like a code - you know how a code comes
in - and - a - they're very high frequency - in fact,
I can hear one right now since you mentioned it.
And at night these things were - were --
Interr-: Did they vary when you got rest? In other words,
did ringing in your ears ease off when you were
quiet and relaxed?
Powers: No, that's when I noticed it most. During the day-
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around took my mind off this.
Interr-: Did you have any metallic taste in your mouth?
Powers: Well, see I have two partial plates.
Interr-: Un-huh. But I mean a definite specific at any one
given time - sharpening metallic taste. Like after
you'd eaten, did you get any funny taste in your
mouth?
Powers: Well, some of their foods was fairly funny - but I
can remember no specific instance of a - a metallic
taste or any - a - unusual taste. I didn't notice it
if I had.
Interr-: Did they go through any process or make any
approaches to you or attempt to handle you in any
way that looking back on it that you might interpret
as an effort of hypnotic process or to induce you into
a hypnotic state?
Powers: Well, I've heard quite a bit on hypnotism and I'd never
noticed anything like that.
Interr-: Then, just about the only unusual thing would be this
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Powers: Yes, that was - a the - I had a lot of trouble with
that.
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Powers: Well, now this continued also after the trial - after
the investigation - it continued right on until I left that
place.
Interr-: Then, did the interrogation process continue after the
trial?
Powers: No. They called me in once or so to talk about
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have, but I wanted you people to know if you could
believe it to the best of my knowledge I knew that I
was shot down - to the best of my knowledge - because
I was afraid that - that - well, see 3ECrICK we were
all very optimistic about this airplane and had no
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idea that it could be shot down or anything. I thought
maybe there might be another flight and someone else
would be on trial and it seems to me that I was shot
down.
Interr-: Going back to the plane for a moment here - and I
- I'm hurrying because noon hour is coming up here
andwe'll want to break off -
Powers: What -
Interr-: Oh, go ahead.
Powers: Well, a - while I was at Vladimir - I think - two times
they came and they questioned me about the airplane.
Interr-: Oh - they did?
Powers: That was a - the last time, I believe wasDecember of
sixty.
Interr-: These were technical questions?
Powers: These were - a - a - apparently engineers or - a -
technical people and - a - I had them worried there
for awhile. I told them that there was - a - I told
them that yist it's been a long time since - a - I'd seen
the airplane and I was also checked out of another
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type airplane and that - a - that confused things - get
them mixed up and that to the best of my knowledge it
had(trim tab ?) on the roof and - a - well, of course,
it didn't have. Or not one - that you. could work from
the cock( pit. And I saw them all look at each other
and smile - you know - and a - they didn't say anything
about it, but they knew I was lying - but I covered this
up by - well, I can't remember - it might have been
another airplane or it might have been that; but, so
that they didn't pay too much attention or place too
much confidence in anything I said they were given
the doubt of anything I said. This was after the trial so
I didn't care too much.
Interr-: Let - let me ask you a question. Going back to
yesterday that weren't touched on and this first one
may be a dumb layman question here, but -- speaking
of that orange flame - I don't think that it was --
Powers: It wasn't a flame.
Interr-: That orange glow - yeh - a - a - would that sort-of
phenomenon occur possibly in connection with a
flame out? Could it?
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Powers: Well, let's see - I've had several just ordinary flame
outs in this airplane and there's nothing like that - a -
in fact, flame outs earlier in the program were - a -
very - a - a frequent and - a - it couldn't have been
associated with a flame out in any way. Now, I thought
maybe - that - if - say the - I - I remember hearing one
time that after an engine change, inspection and so
forth, working on a airplane that they were runni7g
it up on a - a - test stand and the whole tail pipe - jet
exhaust pipe - there blew out. Now something like
that might kasa have caused it, but I'm sure I would
feel that definitely in the airplane if this thing was
going through - and not only that, the paint on
the tail section would be, I'm sure, would be burnt
completely off.
Interr-: Now - now one other question. Have you given any
consideration to the possibility that there are - a -
that this - a - that there could have been sabotage to
the plane?
Powers: I've done a lot of thinking about this and I don't
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could be because we had tight security and the plane
was flown frorri
loved into a
hangar and all of our people who I would trust any-
where worked on it. The plane was taken out - no
one else got around it - and then I flew it, so it - it
had several hours on it before this time and no one
knew whethef the plane would go the next day or
not, so they couldn't - say - set a bomb of some kind
in it because they wouldn't know.
Interr-: Could a bomb be set in it that would go by altitude?
Or by time?
Powers: Well, no because - well, timing would be it but - see-
there was a thirty minute delay on my flight and we
didn't even know that the flight would go the next day.
It might be cancelled and go - go back to Turley.
Interr-: Then - professionally - with your reasoning, you can't
think of any way that this thing could be sabotaged?
Powers: I don't see how it could possibly be sabotaged.
Interr-: Well, we can pick that up later.
Interr-: There is one report that came out in connection with a
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million others, of course, that - a - that after your -
in connection with this flight at the time - that after
that out. It was not so, but I just wanted to hear
from you that it was not so.
Powers: You see - we were there several days - or - I was.
Some of them - well, most of us were - some of the
pilots went back and forth and I had to go out of the
hangar to god c?? to the toilet, around to the side
of the hangar, but - a - other than that - it was - a -
very seldom that I was out of that area.
Interr-: Unless you gentlemen have anything, I think we can
break off here. It's getting toward lunch time.
Interr-: I would like to make reference to the background
bugle music. That was the post-mess call at
1130 hours.
Powers: I didn't hear it.
Interr-: I didn't hear it either.
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Interr-: We'll talk about these things of course in greater
detail, but I just am curious - a - did your cell mate
by any chance mention any British names to you?
Powers: No, he didnit. In fact, he would mention no names
of any of the people he was with either in his own
country or in -
Interr-: In your long association with this man, did he ever
give you what would patent an obvious contradictory
statements?
Powers: No, - a - not that I can recall - any statements.
Interr-: Any - any indication that this was a false story?
Powers: No - I had discussed this with him several times and
it was the same each time as well as I could tell.
Now tuck he did - a - a show an interest but he would
ask no questions about a - a - what had happened to me.
I could maybe say - mention May the first and he would -
a - immediately show an interest, but I guess that
would be only natural - I don't know whether the interest
he showed was more than natural or not but he - he
didn't press it.
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Interr-: When you were being interrogated over this long
period of time, you were allowed to sit down?
Powers: Yes, all the time.
Interr-: What chair did you sit on?
Powers: Well, - a - most of them - there was a leather couch.
We got to sit on that. Well, it's typical Russian
leather couch - very uncomfortable - very wide - I think
it can be made into a bed and to sit in it and lean back
you're in an - an uncomfortable position, but they
let me set there. Usually the interpreter beside me
or someone between myself and the window all the
time. These windows wx in these offices have no bars
and a -
Interr - : Stenographer?
Powers: Stenographer, always there.
Interr-: Tape recorders?
Powers: Some were tape recorder and microphones.
Interr-; Only one stenographer?
Powers: Only one. Well, at different interrogations there would
occassionally be another, but predominantly one
stenographer.
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Powers: Woman.
Interr-: Were you ever made to speak more slowly to help the
stenographer?
Powers: Well, not particularly to help the stenographer, but
to sometimes - the interpreter would ask me to repeat.
Interr-: Why your interpreter?
Powers: You see - she - she recorded in Russian as he
translated the answers to interrogator.
Interr-: I don't know if we pinpointed yesterday how many of the
project personnel or their names.
Was
there?
Powers: Yes, yes he was. I named some of them. I don't know
why I did and this has bothered me very much. This
was early when I got there and I - I contribute it to
the fact that I was very nervous - didn't know what to
do - I had already had this planned - I didn't know what
would be released to the papers or the heads of the
sections and later on, I realized that I could have
gotten by perfectly well by refusing to - and later on I
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refused to answer any question concerning anything
before May the first, but then it was a little late.
Interr-: Well, now, who just for reference purposes so we'll
know - who has their names - can you recall who
were actually named?
Okay, there was
Powers:
Interr-:
Powers:
Interr-:
Powers:
He was pretty well known.
--a -
How about commo people?
This is something
that had baxstc bothered me very - very much because
of this. I don't know why I did it. I don't know. And,
I could have gotten by without it.
Interr-: Do you think you could?
Powers: I'm almost positive I could, but I didn't know that
until later.
Interr-: Well, this is just a -
Powers: Well, then this - this has bothered me. I know this
will help you people by getting these names and I want
to do it even though it makes me look very bad.
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Interr-: Well, now this was just one of those instances where
in calculating the limits of your exposure - why - you
- you calculated a little too far on the liberal side.
Powers: Well, I could have gotten by I'm su.re if that - it
didn't strike me at first - maybe it was the tension,
nervousness and shock and so forth, but - a - I think
I could have gotten by completely without saying a
word about anything except what happened from the
time I penetrated. In fact, a - a few weeks after -
after - the investigation started this struck - a -
they told me what I was charged with and I got to
thinking and I said - a - to myself that I'm charged
with violating Soviet territory for espionage - anything
before that has nothing to do with it - I'm not charged
with anything and I told them I would not answer any
more questions concerning any of that stuff - but I'd
already said this stuff before - and this - this - has
really bothered me.
Interr-: Doesn't that actually appear to you, Gary, to be an
absurdity?
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Powers: What's that?
Interr-: That an intelligenteservice would merely pick up ---
Powers: Yes, I know, but I seriously think I could have done
it because there had been no threats of tortures -
in fact, they had constantly told me there would not
be, they would not do this, but they kept harping on the
fact that the sentence was such and such - a death
sentence - and it always was taken into consideration
when you cooperate and - I could only contribute
doing this - even in answering questions earlier -
the names should not have been metitioned.
Interr-: One more question - you said yesterday, I believe,
that you were shown four pictures.
Powers: Yes.
Interr-: Is that all the pictures you were shown?
Powers: Oh, you mean --
Interr-: Over the whole period of time?
Powers: Oh, no - no - no - I saw volumes of pictures of the
wreckage and - a -
Interr-: Personal - personal - personalities?
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Powers:
Interr-:
Powers:
Interr-:
Powers:
Interr-:
Personalities? Four pictures - this was during the
when they brought me in to ask me a few
questions - to ask me about the B-47.
Four pictures only?
Well, I can't be exactly positive. I know there wasn't
many - there was - I think - four.
Thank-you very much.
And that's all.
We're concluding Tape No. 7 at 1151. Present now are
Mr. Powers,
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