PROJECT LGQ

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• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): 00144739
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: U
• Document Page Count: 17
• Document Creation Date: November 22, 2024
• Document Release Date: January 15, 1983
• Publication Date: September 19, 1952

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19 Septenher 1952
The purpose of this trip was to observe the performance of a U.S.
'Govt. team which had stated specifically that they had available a.
new substance which was very effective in making people tell the truth.
The U.S. Govt. research had been aimed at finding a substance
which could be ae�i.mist..red to the subject without his knowledge,
which could not be detected by him by taste or sight and which would
*cause the subject to reveal himself against his wishes.
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The U.S. Govt. - private and U.S. Government personnel.
This report will be better understood if it is stated that*a piate
researche; did not reveal at any time any observable psychological skill.
Re constantly referred matters to his secretary who gave most of the
information. I asked him at onetime what her training in ps7choloa7
was and he stated, "just a general course.' At another time be indicated
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that she had not completed a college degree. The fact remains, however,
that most matters were referred to her for dec4s4cm and she frequently
contradicted the professor. For further 'evaluation of this repot, it
should be noted that reliable information indicated that there wai
probably some sort of amorous relationship between the professo� and
his secretary. The source of this information is probably ccntained
in other reports.
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approximately two weeks
after the U.S. Govt. .team arrived. The professor at no time indicated
that he had any very great lmowledge of pharmacology and frequently
contraaicted himself in regard to the results to be expected fram the
various sdbstances which be was using.
It had been understood by Its that the private researcher would revea
to us the nature of the substances which he was usinz after the first case..
This was not done and has not been done to date. it cur rirP1 inter-
view held in the office of Colonel "X", he stated that be had not re�
vealed this because he felt it would be unpatriotic to do so.
However I was able to learn through a scurce which I consider
quite reliable that the substances wore as follows:
I, was seconal and was measured in grams.
G. was dexedrine and was measured in mill4rans
g was the active principle of cannabis indica and was measured
in milligrams.
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In the remainder'of this report, the r.esearcher wilibe designated
his seci-etary, J; a U.S, Govt...official hy.:r and S an& F will be used to
designate the two interrogators and translators used in cases four
and five, S referring to the thinner of the two. Cases one and two
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will be described only briefly because the researcher felt that they werc
not suitable for his type of medication. Consequently, no ccnclusians
could be drawn rran then. Cases three faur and five will be described
in greater detail.
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Case I, tt4700D.t0
A few preliminary remarks by W are of interest:
"You must realize that if a ran is lying, this will make him a -
better liar. We don't know much about Q but it won't kill him. The
drug produces a feeling of not wanting to hold anything back. It works
best on those who want to tell the truth but are afraid to. The drug
is not effective if he is trained to deceive or wishes to deceive.
The effect lasts 18 hours."
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The first case was that of a somewhat psychopathicignff. �
of about 40 with a Don Juan complex. The only t)..inz about which there
was a question was the significance of his visits to
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*.=17,4"644.4;ft W insisted that the examination be conducted by me because
"I don't knew hew to deal with these people." The brief protocol of
this experiment was as follows:
First session:
1435: Start
1619: Beer
1730: Beer finished
Second session:
0855: Breakfast finished 20 mg. G
1016: Session started
102: Coffee .05 gm. L
1052: Coffee finished
1223: Eore coffee .05 gm. L
1154: Coffee finished
1300: Session ended
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1340:- Lunch
p.m. session:
1435: Session started
20.mg. .0 in beer (binding)
1540: Beer 25 mg. g and 15 mg. 0
1620: Beer finished
1625: Beer, no dose
1741: Session ended
1745: Conference, all hands
1807: Conference ended.
Case I, Wednesday
0815: Breakfast 20 mg. G
0852: Coffee finished
0915: Conference
0942: Conference ended
0949: Session started
0957: Water 25 rig. 9, and 0.2 gm. L
1010: Poker game
050: Pad capsule. .10 gm. L (He was given the drug
as a prescription for
1106: Red capsule .10 gm. L and 25 mg. .0, his nerves)
. 1314: Session ended
2320: Conference, all hands
1345:. Conference ended
1420: Conference started
1440: Conference ended
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..AfterWhad stated at 1446 that he was through with his experiment,
�it was decided to proceed with the "A" treatment. The plan was to in�
duce fantasy that he was speaking to his wife and that in this conver--
sation with his wife an attempt would be made to find out what his
relations were with the Iffilist�.S.0.-4.7=ai In the roam at
this time was the case officer, T and myself. T administered the pentothal
starting at approximately 1500. When the patient was asleep he was �
given 10 mg. of benzedrino at 1521. This was repeated at 1530. The
fantsy of Eva was induced at 1535. At 1631 he showed a tendency to
escape back into sleep and he was given another 20 mg. of benzedrine.
At 1704 there was violent weeping and sleep was again induced in en
effort to .get amnesia. Be hadn't completely reacted an hour later.
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Be was amnesic for the entire period of the pentothal period. This
continued into the next day. The case officer felt that he got the
information which he desired.
Case II, Ex.o1os4vc.
This individual had been seeniby us on our first trip. He is a
hard�boiled individual who apparently has the ability to lie consistently
but not very effectively.. Protocol is as follows:
First session, Tbursda7
1335: Conference
1430: Conference ended
1435: Started session
1555: Beer 0.15 gm, 1,
1653: Beer, one bottle finished
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1830: Beer with dinner 0.2 gm. L �
1930: Conference
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2025: Session started
2040: Beer .20 gm. L, 50 ng. and 10 mg. G
2210: Beer finished
2215: Break
2217: Conference
2255: Return to session
2405: Beer, no prescription
2447: Sessicn.ended by decision of W
At the end of Case II, W remarked: "At least we learned one
thing from this experinent. The people you have to deal with hare
are different from American college students."
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Cass III
This ease is given in greater detail because it seemed acceptable
to W as suitable for his drug.
0930: Session started. S, F, 1�1 and CIPsyc iatricConsultant) present.
.0950: Coffee served. Flavored with quinic. Both S and F said that
he was more friendly, more talkative and that their empathic
index which had previously been negative was positive.
1055: Beer. 10 mg. G and .10 gm. of L
1058: F conmented that a mistake nust have been made because he himself
was feeling peculiar. I reassured him that he was wrong and took
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1100: Drew pictures if 1, 2 and 3.
1230: *Broke up for lunch. Subject had lunch with beer containing
.05 grn. L end 25 ng. 9. Finished at 1315.
2330: Resumed with discussion "just to pass the time away." (14).
1432: Eyes were bleary, was able to keep them Open with an effort.
Speech retarded.
1434: "Evasive and cage (F)
Drew pictures if 4 and 5. "I think, they are criminologists." (Subject)
"Re is suspicious." (F) .
1450: "Be has resumed his old habit of not looking at questioner."
(casting eyes dawn and away) (F) ,
1500: Beer, served by J. 5 mg. 0, 15 mg. 9 and.05 gm. L
* 1230: Subject insisted on a toast 3 or 4 times with each one. Counted
the glasses and thought that there were only four and wanted
to know why. The fifth glys was pointed out.
1500: No offer to tap glasses until S suggested it, then tapped only
his glass.
1520: Spilled beer down his front. �
1521: Bragging about how well he could ran a motor bike. (F)
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1522: Less retarded in speech. More gesturee. Resumes looking at
examiner. Seems =ore like he was 'when conscious subjects-are
discovered. (F)
1527: Subject defensive about questioning regarding police.
1530: "Beer always rakes me =ore talkative." (Subject)
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1531: Made several personal 'references to his wife. (0 asked S,
he had any opportunity to do so before?" S answered, No.
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1531: Does not initiate conversation. Spilt =ore beer.
1550: Licking lips
1600: "We're getting into sonething interesting." (S)
1605: Was momentarily distracted and when he returned to cenversation,
he was unable to resume, but after appreciable tine he was able
to resume without coaching.
� 1614: Slurring of speech. (C and F) Two serious gra=natical errors (C)
"We have given bin too =nch." (W)
1615: Went to head and returning ho fell to his knees cnce and requirsa
. assistance. Subject made no co==ent.
1620: "Speech is garbled and he is dropping syllables." (7)
1630: Subject was doodling and listening intently.
1635: Returned to habit of looking out of window andevay from exat...1:1.-.
1636: Mors or less direct quest4oning started. S said, "celled. hi= a
liar and he did net react as before by freezing but cl=e right
back with an explanation."
.1730: Both S and F agreed that at times he had been:
2. Retarded in speech although in general he was =ore voluble
then in previous exam.
2. Vague 4
3. Circumstantial 4 (F)
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5. Tangential 4 4. (C) .
6. Suspicious F yes S on the contrary, maybe less.
7. Self critical One point regarding
S. Caginess (10
9. Contradictory. (F) T
10. Personal ancedotes. (F) 4
11. Truthful S yes F "Didn't known
22. Critical of staff men
FACTORS TO BE =SIDE= IN E7ALUATICN OF CASE III
1. S and F had not examined subject for three months. S had one
previous examination prior to this.
2. During the six-month interval the subjects envir9nment had
progressively improved.
3. During the last three months he had been free to i-ove about.
as gotten married. Eis been more sympathetically treated. Plans
have been made for his future in a few days.
4. During this six month period he has told fcar different stories,
each was accepted at the time until some new factor appeared. Question
now is, Should story #4 be accepted?
5. S can offer no reason for believing this story to be true except
as intuition. In this regard it should be noted that from almost the
beginning of today's examination he and F felt a positive empathy.
6. The friendly - beer and coffee approval.
7. That both examiners noted him loorzacicus and increased cooperativeness
before any drug could have had any effect.
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8. ? Was the control period adequate? .
9. 7 Were F and S ready to be impressed? S cynical, F - perhaps yes
10.. Nothing new and relevant came out.
U. ? Was information valid?
12. Nothing damaging came out.
13. No psychiatric examination. Prevented by W
. 24. F is very suggestible. (see 1058)
These fourteen points were presented to F and S who agreed that
numbers 1, 2, 3, 41 5, 6, 7,
OBXECTIVE OBSERVATION
10, 12, 13 and 14 are facts.
�1. More loquacious F and S
2. Iritoxicated (14)
3. Moistens lips (C)
a. *Slui-ring of speech
b. Staggered and fell to knees
c. Spilling beer three times
d. Dropping syllables (F)
e. Garbled speech (F)
4. Second picture showed evidence or anxiety as evidenced by a
drug and increased inhabitancy level as evidenced by nudity
.of the female figure. (C)
5. Memory lapses (Fend C)
6. Grammatical errors (F)
7. Lowering of lids as if drowsy (C and F)
8. Difficulty in concentrating (C)
ConclusiOn: There is no objective evidence that the drug has.pro-
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Case IV, No. 495
This case was considered by both T and myself as one of schizophrenia,
consequently was not a very good experimental subject. The subject had
been last seen by F on one occasion six weeks before. They said he had.
a tendency to exaggerate his abilities and achieveasnts. Also that he
was talkative at times but would at other times be mate and stare into
space. Es was at times overbearing, at other times independent. When
.caught in a lie he would pass it off without embarrassment. On one
occasion he vent and got a permanent wave. ES vas further described as
unpredictable, impulsive, sdbject to rapid mood charges and was considemsd
a pathological liar.
1030: Session started. "Re is in a very good mood this a.m." (F)
Voluble � ready smile quickly fading.'
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know why. Attention easily gained and held but in pause quickly
becomes detached and preoccupied.
1045: Coffee lb mg. G and .05 gm. L
"Harbors hostile wood to mother because she did not discipline
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him any." (F) Drank coffee without suspicion.
1118: Coffee finished
No psychiatric examination.
Asked, "Do Russian children like to go to school?" Answered, "'hr.; much.'
Doesn't -like beer but will have one. Plays with finger and locks dour....
1125:, Beer .05 gm. L
1128: Finished beer. Billy on first glass of beer.
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1145: "He hasn't been specific and peecise, not giving exact answer." (F)
1150: Finished second glass of beer.
More voluble (F and S) (I couldn't see it) (C)
Both seemed to respond to W's direct questions
Contraction of jaw muscles
1210 - 1220: Gave exact description of machine tool and his use of it.
- "I did a job which men with ten to fifteen years experience couldn't
do and I did a good job." (Subject)
1225: Pressure of speech. (7) Gestures
"This is an extreme reaction to this amaant." (W)
"Our subjects knew they had. a drug." (J)
1321: Lunch
1432: Started psychiatric examination.
Psychological examination was stopped by W so interrogation could
proceed.
1448: Coffee .05 gm. L
"In prison (16) for 15 months for stealing. potatoes. Badly treated
by other inmates. Beaten up and tattooed."
1520: Finished coffee.
1557: "Should have given him more." (W)
"Sometimes a dream is so vivid that after a couple of days you
remember it as almost real."
1600-1705: Long conversation in Russian. No translation. Irplayed
repetitious pattern on piano during lunch for about an hour over
and over again. Didn't get second picture.
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As we left Subject asked F, "Votild you like me to work for you?"
."If , is a spy I will kill myself and you too." Repeated six time's. (Subj.)
"I want to go back to Mother." (Subj.)
"In morning started cold but went well: but went into relapse. Information
comes with ease. Voluble and doesn't Stop to think. yore of a success
than yesterday." (S) �
"Y7 impression was the exact opposite." (F)
"Said things he should not. ha' p said yesterday." (S)
"Practically normal this afternoon. A little more collective. Seemed
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to want to let you talk. Quite voluble this a.m. Yore Cooperation." (F)
"Conversation 90% ahead of thoughts." (S)
Discussion of Case IV
An attempt was made to get an independent evaluation lz? F and S
of this case but this was prevented rather deliberately by ',..rwho insisted
on remaining in the room and keeping the fcur of us together. The
opinion. expressed by S in regard to this case was:
"In the morning he started coif but then things vent well. Later
he went into a relapse. The information seemed to come with ease.
Be was.voluble and didn't stop to think. This was a greater
success than yesterday."
According to F:
� "NY impression was the exact opposite. Es was practically normal
sell afternoon; a little more truthful but seemed to want yoTto
talk more. Re was quite voluble this morning and more coopeiaive."
Both 7' and S agreed that no new and dsaging information was elicited.
W ended this session by saying: "We knov practically nothing regarding
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Case V
This individual had and, there was no
question of deception and he was described by F as "One of the most
cooperative chaps I have even. seen."
0945: Coffee -10 rg. G and .05 gm. L
"Keep ntmosphire of restrained friendliness." Cu)
1010: "It is possible that he ii showing effect of dosage." (W)
"I see no change." (C)
(i can see irrelriencies but they seem natural. F says he can't
see irrelevancies.)
1025: Beer .10 gm. L
(Both S and F drank along with subject and felt effect)
1043: Beer finished
(Statement of W that subject is oblivious to surroundinzs is
not valid because all three mare without substance.)
1050: Feeling beer (W) W rakes frpquent mistakes asking for repetitiom
of questions. "It thoughts are elsewhere." (if)
(3 makes decisions)
"Has been fall of grammatical errors from beginnin
"He Can't be embarrassed very much."
(F quite slowed up)
1102: W ask him questions on clerical experience for 15 minutes,'
let you do planning.
CU dependent on F for interpretation%)
"Question just to pass time." (W)
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1115: No noticeable effect (C and S)
1130: Beer 10 mg. 0 and .10 gm. L
1145: "No change." (F)
(J and 2' very friendly and talkative.)
1146: Subject notices F and S were drinking fram same bottle. .
.1148: Finished second glass of beer.
"Will get a reaction out of me soon." (F) (Too mtt:th t.eer;).
(S very friendly, joking with J)
F somewhat silly
2150: Beer finished
"Bust avoid sensitive subject as effect will be bad."
(J being a little silly and cute)
1200: Slurring syllables grammatical errors increased. Appeared imtc=i�
cated.
"Still no evidence of a desire to talk." 0.1)
Biccups occasionally.
"I think he is getting a little slurred." (F)
Playing with upper lip. (C)
1210: F very definitely slurring of speech.
1212. Subject yawning
1213.. J giggles almost continuously while F is talking to sn'zject..,
1218: Dropped cigarette. Missed ashtray. CluMbsy. gas not had to void.�
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1225:. "Put on some pressure: Use technique you. used before.� (W)
1230:- Subject gives no response to funny story, used to-do so.
1238: Staggered when got up and walked. _Sat down at first opportunity.
1239: Terminated session.
1345: Started p.m. session. Still staggers
1348: Impossible for me to t11-1,11c fast. (subject)
1350: Beer 10 mg. G, .05 g=. L and 35 mg. g
1400: Refused more beer. "2 beer doesn't have a head on it, others do." (Subj.
Getting clearer (S).
When went into listening room after morning session, 3 appeared
intoxicated.
1406: Two swP1lows of beer.
1410: 3 more sedate this p.m. Beer one-third finished. Reluctant to drink.
1415: I left to go to Air France.
Itr conclusion in regard to case V 4s that there is no objective
evidence that the drag produced any effect.
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Additional information which wd can consider in evaluating whatever
report on this experiment as given by Wis:
1. A reliable scarce states that substances have only been used. on
five college subjects.
2. None of the substances are new. The effects of L and G are well-
known and much more predictable than W seemed aware. 2 is a substance
which is the active substance of mariahuana and its effects have been
studied. Its effects are unpredictable and to a certain extent unknown.
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3.. The attitude of. both W and J and their own reaction to the
beer which 'wls served effected them to a point where in Case V their
observations would be rather invalid.
4. The emotional instability ofig and his tendency, as he said
himself, "to play by ear."
CONCLUSICN:
This experiment proved nothing. On the basis of the information
given to us by Was indicated by his comments above, there vas little
reason to believe that these substances would be of very great value.
Personally I believe that 0 is a dangerous substance to use until we
know more about its pharmacology. L and G are available in a well-knorwn
proprietary drug known as dexamyl. This product is better balanced
than W's use of these two substances and would produce more predictable
effects. G will produce greater volubility. There is no reason to
believe that it will produce greater truthfulness. There is no evidence
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