MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: Library of Congress
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): LOC-HAK-475-1-8-5
• Release Decision: RIPLIM
• Original Classification: T
• Document Page Count: 4
• Document Creation Date: January 11, 2017
• Document Release Date: December 19, 2012
• Sequence Number: 8
• Publication Date: March 9, 1973
• Content Type: MEMO

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PARTICIPANTS: Ambassador Rabin
T~enry A. Kissinger
Peter Radrx~.an, NSG Sta?f (~f~+yj
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DATE ANI] TIME: March 9, 1973
6:00 - b:20 p. xn.
P.~:,AGE: The Map Roam
Dr. Kissinger: 'Wh.en do you leave?
Axnb. Rabin.: 'I'anzorraw night.
Dr. Kissinger: ,Really!
Amb, Rabin:. It's tixn.e to go home!
Dr. Kissin er: Ydu are ante a? the ?ew people T will gesauinely nniss. I
dan~t say this just to be polite, Yaur successor is not ia2 your league,
frankly. Tell. him whs.t we donut need is a clever Israeli.. S mean, you are
clever bat steady. _
Amb. Rabin: 5~'au want zne to tell hint this.
Dr. Kissinger; Tell hixn don't be cute, don't try to xx~neuver arov.rzd fawn.
You were reliable.
Azxzb: Rabin; I maneuvered when I had ta!
If you ask me what I worry about, it is the pxeparatfon ?or the Summit--the
Middle East an one side and M'E'N.
Ar, Kissinger I tell you, if the ~'ewish cona~xnux~ity blacks MFN, ;there will.
be violent reaction from the President.
Amb, Rabin: 1 keep telling them. at hoxx~.e, the .security grablexn anal ..the
au arie~l s not the issue. Relations with the U. S. and -the whale
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philosophical problem,: is the real issue we will ?ace., 3f the President
had not raised it with the Prime Minister, she would not have realised it.
Dr. Kissinger: ,Does she realize it now?
Amb, Rabin: Z think sa. X will tell xxzy ,successor this is what b.e will face..
Dr. Kissinger: Did you see Marquis Childs. today?
Axnb.. Rabin: Yes, and .the. Jackson people. have ?4 Senators.
Dr. Kissin,~ex: ~ I were, the Israeli Ambassador Z would pray to lose this o
Axnb. Rabin: Z will tell m?y successor this is what he will face.
On the aircraft, Rogexs called Mrs, Meir and repeated the cornnzitxnent,
Dr. Kissinger: I told you all that.
Axzzb. Rabin: Yes, but it was a. .good call. I got it in writing on pracluctian
now, There ie no clear-cut definition of what and what. Sut I lunched with
Sisco, X asked him, "Are you going to sue it fox blackmail?" He said,
'There is no politics, this. is the spirit of the instrtxc: ticrns from. the
VtThite Haase. r' !Dn the planes,. he had nothi~.g in writing, but he xepeated
the cammitam.ent. Sisco said they were working on a projection for more
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than two years ahEad.
Dr. Kissix~.~er: Z told hixn to do that.
Amb, Rabin: So it wvould take a few more ~vrueeks to do, I said fine.
On the political issue, what will happen?
Dr. Kissinger: That's what I want to talk to you about. ~ ha.ve told you
what the situation is.
Arnb. Rabic:: Y understand it, I understand it.
3.7r. Kiss,ix~~er: Does she understand it?
Amb, Rabin: Yes, .:she understands.
Dr. Kissiaa.~e~: I have briefed you; twice.
Arno. Rabin: Yes.
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Dr. Kissinger:. You must not squander it. I have now defused .the issue
for you. When thexe is a Summit-- it will probably be in dune; this is far
your information only. Dobrynin came back and brought great pressure
on the Middle .East. I used the Egyptian thing against him: "The. Egyptians
don.'t want you in it. As long! as we are talking to the Egyptians, we can't
get into detailed negotiations with you without total confusion., ~'
But they put it at the top o? ta.e agenda.
]Or. Kissinger: Trade they regard as already settled. It;'s our obligation now,
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.Amb. Rabin: Higher than trade?
Amb. Rabin: Yes.
.You might take a Iaok at it. Rabin
reads it. ,This dbesn't mean anything in itself, ,but... [Rabin continues
xeading, and hands. it back.
x i s'n er? et rx~e sho au the. "mpressions of
Let xne tell you. what xny thinking is.
Amb. Rabin: I understood you, would like, .
Dr. Kissi~er: I would like to have came aut? of the surxzmit the same.
principles that caxrae out of Moscow---or better ones. I would like to sell
'them the same principles again. .But this time they may have to be public.
'This is an excuse, .first of all, to stay outs of detailed negotiations, and it
could be an excuse far. you.and the Egyptians to have an interim, agreement.
This will tape us through the fall, Then, given their reluctance to have
full peace, we can have interim security arxangexnents~-which I tried to
tell them, and if we can believe this, has at. least sunk in. This takes u.s
to 1974.
Amb. Rabin: What we lose i:~ the comxraitxnent of the United States to the
sovereig;raa?ty of Egypt. You use to say "rectificati:on" in your principles.
Knowing Egypt, rectification means no Gamma.
The ~xime Ministex asked you and she asked me--what: do the Russians
have an the Arxiericans? .What is it they have on you?
Dr, Kissinger:. ~ar.Ambassadar, you will lose something.. But you will,
.gain tin-~e. You wi11 not be able to maintain far "the next four years the
position that you caxr do nothing, that you can dust stay whexe ynu are. Z
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am being hit Pram every direction. When I get hit this much,. it means the
President is being hit ten times as much. Sint you cax~ txy the gamble.
Arx~;b. Rabin: To `came with principles publicly, say ,duly arAugust, will .
be very unpleasant to the Prime Minister. That is two ox three months
before our election.
Dr. Kissinger: There is no countervaili.n,g influence on t}ie President.
The only thing restraining things, is the belief that T will carne up with some
solution.
Arnb. Rabin: But there is the belief that the U, S. has to make a serious
effort to find a soaution. .
Dr. Kissinger: Nothing will happen until April.' IO when Ismail comes hack..
He has never dealt with m.e; T can make him feel he's part o? a profound
agexation. I ca.n use hire to kill. the Gromyko talks but not to kill. everything.
You can corrxe in tomorrow to xead th.xough the transcripts.. Yau will see
..that Z just asked questions and evaded answers.
Ore thing which you should tell your successor he should not dcs is try to
check up on xx~e around town, or try to be clever.
Amb. Rabin; ?h no, we knave your role, The Prime Minister knows your
rate. And we have no xeason to destroy the one channel we can rely Vin.
Dr, Kissinger: Yes, but. Dayan, .for example, thixaks he can rxaanigulate
everybody,
Axrib. Rabin; One .question, the Prime Minister wanted to raise with yaex is
Africa. Houphauet-Baigny sent a message to hex saying that Africa will
be lost unless the U. S. will da something.
Dr, Kissin~~:x: `He is coming here and the President will see him..
Amb. Rabin, 5o everything is fine,;
Fox the next ten~rt~nea.tes Dr. Kissinger and the Ambas.sadox conferred alone,
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