MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: Library of Congress
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): LOC-HAK-475-1-15-7
• Release Decision: RIPLIM
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• Document Page Count: 6
• Document Creation Date: January 11, 2017
• Document Release Date: December 19, 2012
• Sequence Number: 15
• Publication Date: May 3, 1973
• Content Type: MEMO

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MEMORANDUM
THE WHITE HOUSE
WASHINGTON
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MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION
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Ambassador Dinitz of Israel
Dr. Henry A. Kissinger, Special Adviser
to the President for National Security
Affairs
Peter Rodman, NSC Staff nI--
Thursday, May 3. 1973
6:30 - 7:15 p.m.
The Map Room
The White House
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Our remarks are that the information in the generally
confirms our information from other sources. It doesn't match every
detail but it generally checks.
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We also know Syrians have a major function in any military act. We
also know the Syrians began military preparations.
We also call attention to the fact that Jordan will find itself under
pressure from Egypt, Syria and possibly also Saudi Arabia and Kuwait
These are the questions I am supposed to ask you: Do you have such
information?
Dr. Kissinger: Not yet.
Amb. Dinitz: I am to ask whether
Dr. Kissinger: I will have to check.
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has given you such information.
Amb. Dinitz: The third question is whether the Syrians and the Iraqi
forces will try to enter Jordan against the will of the King4 but unlike
1970, not against his regime but to take positions against Israel.
Dr. Kissinjer: What do you think?
Amb, to be alarmist.
But what concerns me is that what this message says we also have
similar information.
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My concern is whether Syria would do such a thing without the encourage-
ment of the Russians. And there is no evidence of the Russians encourag-
ing this.
Dr. Kissinger: It is not plausible before the Summit.
Amb. Dinitz: Right.
Dr. Kissinger: Egypt is also part of this.
Amb. Dinitz: It seems like part and parcel of the whole strategy, in
which Syria will play an important part. Where Egypt might take action
independent of the Russians, Syria is much less likely to because of the
flow of Soviet arms. It doesn't seem likely,
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If in your absenc
this develops, whom do I see?
Dr. Kissinger: Scowcroft. You don't think it is so imminent that we
should make -eontingency plans? I should be here.
Amb. Dinits: Within a month.
Amb. Dinitz: Sisco.wants to have lunch with me, alone, on something
he heard from the White House. Would this be Russian Jews?
Dr. Kissinger: Maybe the Ismail talks, because the Egyptians leaked
it to our Interest Section. If he raises Ismail, you can say you got
a brief account from the White House On the Russian Jews, it is up
to you.
Amb. Dinitz: If it is in regard to Russian Jews, I won't talk to them in
the same way as to you.
Dr. Kissinger I really must implore you ?
Amb. Dinitz: I really tried hard before the meeting with the President.
Dr. Kissinger: I knew, I could tell.
Amb. Dinitz: It is really difficult here, because of the guilt feeling here
because of the holocaust. In Israel it is a big issue because Golda has
not come out for the Jackson Amendment.
May I say that a meeting between Jackson and the President should
take place.
Dr. Kissinger: A private meeting?
Amb. Dinitz: Yes. The Senator is upset that he did not see the
President alone.
Dr. Kissinger: I saw him alone. He is the only one who got advanced word
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Amb. Dinitz: I have reason to know that if he gets a private meeting
he might be willing to redraft the amendment along the lines you sug-
gested -- more monitoring than preventive, and eliminate the harass-
ment provisions. It is easier for the Jews.
Dr. Kissinger: I saw Jackson last night and I think he will be reasonable.
I wanted to show you my last message to Ismail. [Tab A] As you see,
I have not committed myself to anything. Just a few general statements.
Amb. Dinitz: Well, there are many many pitfalls along the way.
Dr. Kissinger: Nothing can happen. It is too complex.
Amb. Dinitz: Very interesting his last speech. Total withdrawal from
any reasonable diplomatic approach. To warn the Soviets against falling
into the trap of the U.S. proposal when it was their proposal.
Dr. Kissinger: I don't think they have any serious interest. Last March,
and November, there were no proposals but at least there was some
interest. Now it takes weeks to get an answer.
Maybe we should take an initiative, just to make it concrete.
Amb. Dinitz: Along the lines of negotiations.
Dr. Kissinger: I know your domestic situation, but just to make a
concrete proposal.
? Amb. Dinitz: There are dangers. It prejudges you in negotiations.
Dr. Kissinger: Yes, but doing nothing has its dangers too.
Amb. Dinitz: The onus is on them, because we have accepted the two
proposals from State put to us.
Dr. Kissinger: It can't go on indefinitely.
Amb. Dinitz: In Moscow will it come up?
Dr. Kissinger: We will get a two-hour speech.
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"1. Dr. Kissinger appreciates Mr. Isma.il's message of April 20.
Because of other commitments, it now appears that it would be most
convenient for him to meet about May 18. If that is acceptable to
Mr. Ismail, Mr. Trone will come to Cairo to discuss the various
possibilities for a meeting.
"2. Mr. Ismail 's presentation at the last meeting was very much
appreciated. it is Dr. Kissinger's understanding from the last meeting
that the Egyptian side proposed proceeding as follows: It would be the
immediate objective to develop possible heads of agreement which could
lead to simultaneous negotiations on arrangements for withdrawal from
the Suez Canal and on a final settlement. It was his understanding that
the Egyptian side would present its more detailed views as to the
contents of these heads of agreement at the next meeting.
"3. The US has repeatedly stated that it attaches great importance
to a peaceful settlement in the Middle East. However, it is still to be
decided which channel would be most effective -- whether the White House
should directly conduct the negotiations or whether they should be
conducted through diplomatic channels under White House supervision.
In either case, the White House will maintain an active interest.
"4. Dr. Kissinger appreciates Mr. Ismail's reassurance on efforts
to maintain the security of these meetings. That security is absolutely
essential if there is to be any possibility of a fruitful outcome from
these discussionS." ?
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