STATE COOPERATION WITH DCI SECURITY EVALUATION OFFICE

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• Document Creation Date: December 27, 2016
• Document Release Date: August 29, 2012
• Sequence Number: 5
• Publication Date: October 14, 1988
• Content Type: MEMO

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News Highlights
Shultz speaks out against lie detector tests for. employees
He'says `voluntary' tests will be given under three conditions
"~j MPLOYINO STRONG LANGUAGE
Lon Capitol Hill, Secretary Shultz on
April 28 emphasized his distaste for poly-
graph examinations of State Department
employees, while outlining three narrow
circumstances under which lhe. tests would
be permitted-"with the?voluntary consent
of the individual." ~ '?
Mr. Shultz spoke out in an appearance
before 'the Senate Appropriations Commit-
tee, at. which he also reviewed progress on
several fronts in the Depattdtent's security
program, and ia. addition urged funding for
the projected new foreign affairs training
center that into replace the'Foreign Scrvicc
Institute. '
On the lie detector issue. Mr. Shultz
said rcgulutions hud bccn drafted.allowing
him to authorize testing of any' consenting
Department employee:
"1. When warranted during the course
of a criminal, counterintelligence or pcrson-
nol aocurity (nvoa1y, though it has prompted a
number of co plaints, particularly from
"Wc undcrst d why some people feel
put out, and we'r ympathetic with their
concerns, but the fac is.we really have no
feasible alternatives if a want a system of
maximum effectiveness, said the bureau's
Kenneth E. Lopez, who i 'n charge of the
Under the new arrangetn t, employ-
ees and some contractors have en issued
computer-readable building pass which,
when inserted into card-roadcrs, tivate
automated access control facilities.~her
bui
gories of persotts seeking entry into the
'
ing--news media ?people~ employees
of o
duct
State
er federal agencies (unless they coa-
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others=
artment retirees ate among these.
ve not been issued the building
at tltc buildi
.issued a visitor p
old retirement cards are
s immediately; the recep-
Reasons for restrictlta
restrictions," Mr. Lope
aid. "First. we
need to limit building p
employees because this giv
ses to current
tive control over the passes
s more efftsc-
at are out- ?
lose a pass or have otie stolen fro
yees who
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that the
pass is missing. They'll need it t
work. So they're going to call us wi
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delay to report the loss or the theft. As so
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as we get that call, we cancel that pass o
on our computer, and it'll do no good to
whoever is in possession of !t. When that
STATE
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:;,~t>t_~ruit~~: 13. 1988 "Z4n.rt^, l-0 5-1-/~Cl
UNCLASSIFIED
MEMORANDUM
TO: All DS/ST Personnel
FROM: DS/ST -,Grecorie W. IIujaQ'~~~
r?
SUBJECT: DOS Polygraph Policy ,
In May 1988, Secretary Shultz approved regulations
governing polygraph examinations of DOS er~loyees and recentl}~
emphasized that the policy remains unchanced. The policy
applies to all?DS/ST personnel.
Simply stated, personnel assigned to joint projects (JSPO
and PTPE, for example) may undergo v~~lttr:tary polygraph testing
only to the extent that the scope of t: tie ~:?:amination is limited
to counterintelligence (CI) areas (non-li.~estyle).
The questions posed in any such examinations shall be
limited to those necessary to determine whether the examinee
has:
1. Ever engaged in espionage or sabotage against the
Qnited States.
2. Knowledge of anyone who is engaged in espionage or
sabotage against the United States.
3. Eves been approached to give or sei~any classified
materials to. unauthorized p~?r~:~.~r~::.
4. Ever given or sold any classi ~ i,~c: r.:ater ials to
unauthorized persons.
5. Knowledge of anyone who has. giv~:r, :~c sold classified
materials to .unauthorized perso:~~. ,
6. Any unauthorized contact with representatives of
foreign governments.
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DS/ST personnel, prior to the commencement of any polygraph
examination, should specifically inform the tester(s) of the
Department's policy, i.e., "CI only'. DSJST personnel
undergoing po~.ygraph examinations should not respond to
lifestyle questions, but refer to the Secretary of State's
policy. ,. Also, employees are reque~~~ci r.o r.eport to me any
situations in which participation in a program is precluded on
the grounds that the lifestyle ~~al.~!~Zr~nh w;. ; not conducted.
cc: DS/POL/PPD
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ER 38G5X-88
12 October 1988
MEMO~IDUM FOR THE REOO~tD
' SUa7DCT: 'Meeting with Bob Lamb and Ron Spiers
"1 We met for lunch today at State. I had suggested to Ron Spiers last
week that he invite Bob and me to review with him where we stand on State and
Security,Evaluatiom Office cooperation. My discussion with Spiers had touched
upon: Bob,~Iamb's~;increasing testiness on the.DCI/SEO and the possibi~lity~that,
~
Spiers,~might
play,a~mediating role or otherwise advance State and SEO
cooperatiori;`~-~' ~ . .... '
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and._occasionally_counselling-cooperation. Lamb's positions are hardening, or
" The DCI:and I should understand, that the Secretary doesn't want
The DCI/SEO has no authority or right to consider standards or '
compliance in any but the most narrowly defined "technical"
areas. ?
hear',Shultz say that.) '
say~that in the 29 July meeting. (I must confess, I didn't
~~=rurcnermore, ne doesn't Know why we didn't hear the'Secretary~
,Neither nor Webster shows any concern for the
Department's preferences in defining the~DCI/SEO operations.
a
,:communication from~the DCI/SEO unless we inform him that we y
have compromised our position.
Lamb?told Spiers and me that he doesn't want to deal with
n ?.
Lamb said he expects us to "compromise" on the?DCI/SEO areas of .
activity= e.g., he expects us to renounce any responsibility to
look at anything other than narrowly defined "technical
?areas.". He expects us to take the initiative in renouncing any'
responsibility for physical security standards, personnel
security standards, or procedural security standards. .
`~: ~' 3. ~"~~ Ate 'Spiers prodding, Lamb apologized for being so out of sorts and, ' in
a~different
tone
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for some evidence that we are listening to his '
concerns....:: ~ .
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4. ;'~,,Lamh?walke8 out to the front entrance with me and apologized once
aga~.n;'.for,:~ being;'so:?311-tempered." we parted on my statement that .I. have no` '
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physical:security ~ issues . of? embassy security. Not only do I lack the ? ??
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autho~ity:.to~:renounce that part of the mission, but I lack the conviction. ,
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am willinq`:to address the technical issues first, sidestepping some of .the `':
personnel(largely FSN.issues) and physical (largely "core". concepts),~'until a ~.
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later. date.
.when~we;have developed some confidence in working together.
5:'~~Based"`upon~the'discussion, I elected not to give Bob Lamb the
azzacnea.memo tnat z-handcarried to State. I rewrote page 3, to add more a
about~hamb's`and State's. priorities and concerns and to strike a more~.:..;~
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e
solicitous'tone.;
` The
revised memo will be delivered 13 Octo)a~.;`
Attachmient t
As stated
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THE DIRECTOR OF
CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE
Security Evaluation Office
NOTE FOR: DDCI
Bob,
I suggestta+e resume the exchange with
Bob Lamb of draft non-papers as. indicated
in the attachment. You may recall Bob. Lamb
and I exchange a few of these in the July
and August period. This may be the time to
resume. What do you think?
Attachment:
A5 stated
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~/ .,
THE DIRECTOR OF
CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE
Security Evaluation Office
NOTE FOR: Mr. Ronald I. Spiers
Under Secretary for Management
Department of State
Ron,
Thanks for the luncheon invitation. Despite
the passion displayed on some topics of discussion,
it was a useful session.. I have tried to give
Bob an opening in para 6 of the attached memo-
randum to sidestep the issues of procedural,
technical, and personnel security concerns and
to work with me in an auditing/monitoring/
inspection program this year that deals with
his concerns, his priorities. Contrary to 'his
protestations, I do care about his and the
Department's concerns. On the other hand, I
do not have the right to renounce unilaterally
that part of the President's instructions that
cover physical, personnel, etc., security issues.
We can delay approaching these sensitive areas
until we build some confidence by working
together. _
Attachment:
As stated
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