INTRODUCTION OF RESOLUTION FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A JOINT COMMITTEE ON FOREIGN INFORMATION AND INTELLIGENCE

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Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/10/29: CIA-RDP80M01009A000100050002-2 Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/10/29: CIA-RDP80M01009A000100050002-2 Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/10/29: CIA-RDP80M01009A000100050002-2 Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/10/29: CIA-RDP80M01009A000100050002-2 Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/10/29: CIA-RDP80M01009A000100050002-2 14266 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD ? HOUSE August 15 our foreign information and intelligence Programa. In My remarks this afternoon, how- ever. Mr. Speaker. I do not intend to dwell at meat length on the predse terms of this particular resolution. I think it IS a good resolution but Lam perfectly retell to be persuaded that a better one might be devised. The question of the met structare and composition of this committee seems to me significantly lees Important than the more general ques- tions of principle involved. I rne today. not to make propaganda on behalf of a particular proposal of mine, but rather to raise a matter which I think is in need of the widest possible and most intent- gent public diaminsinn. - -serratrInekrE---- ? Join$ ,Vocesstiitee cm Atomic*new, In thorn, in these areas? Of course it does not. Congras has always asserted its right to concern tied/ with even the most sensitive areas of Government. And, -Where matters of the Whet maw dors been: involved, Members of both Howes have shown themselves perfectly capable -of . exercising the utmost re? strain& This was never more clearly demonstrated than by the experience of the Manhattan project during World War 11. when members of the two men- priatione committees were kept folly w- onted of the program , of the project without on any occasion breaking secu- rity. And I. am sure all Umbers of the ikon will agree that the record of the As mod Members are aware the pro- posal of a Joint Committee on Foreign Intelligence is Isot a new on. -In one form or another it has been introdueed -into this Rom in each of the. lest . 10 sessions: in 1166 11 was the stained eta 4-day hearing by the Rules Committee. Bs the Saabs the Committee on Rules and Adahdatration reported on it tam- ably in and for 2 data it was de- bated on the floor of that body. ? Marie this eamoctio* has been inspemble. ? Ai bribe ease of the Atomic Reseal lbag. I take it 'for granted of cOurse that mash of the work of the new Momintee?gerhage almost all of it--r would be conducted li private end that the mulls would be math public only after adage etTebning by the appropriate Goverment 14.001111 Nevertheiees. I admit that particular comern mien din be felt 5boU Cli. since ?breaches of It partisan in nature. Bad In INS rw aseurlly tnvolving , might endanger ?wietions Mbar to minerwers Agaiwored -Abe limo( Anagram Ceerathes in ether In the House by eight Democrats slid pian;r110, and .11041to 14mis of agents or tour Republican'. Radler this year the other.i.natione walking -z afegierances 'UAW maa brought ? to our attenttohlry - with us. I think this is 0 legittetate a member of the other party, thedie.' thignished tenderloin from Platte Mr. Room). Mormer? when Mr. Mass- resolution came to a vote in the &mu in line the minoittr An favor btabaded MOM Members en both sides of the able. On that oceadon one gbf those who voted to favor was the then innar Senator from Massachusetts, now the President of the United Stale& --"" If the treposil for a John Coninintee cm Foreign Intelligence has tame. elf 'so often and been supported liy lejp Members, why hs.s It never Seen adapted? Frankly do not find ? that intendon easy to answer, particularly since some of the arguments against it seem to me so feeble. Take, to begin with, the argument about secrecy. It IS an argument that has been advanced every Ms the proposal has been dis- cussed. Inutile the Senate debate in UN the chairman' of ,the Senate Armed Services Committee. Mr.. Rho- ma, went so fin as to sor that. rather than have a committee bet nii and til- ler:nation made availed* to Members of Congress. 'it would be better to abolish the Central Intelligence Amer and. IV doing so. to save the money appropriated and the lives of American cithen&?? A farmer Woe President, Mr. Shrkley. toot the tame view in Ow male debate. Now no one denies that CIA and other Intelligence agencies must conduct a very high proportion of their operations in secret. Secrecy is of the essence of their ? work: without it they could not function, and the security ''cif our countiy would be Jeopardised. No one denies that. But Sits& Is true of the intelligent* mime- nitg is also true in many other areas of government: in the fields of atomic en- era, weapons development, and foreign colic,. for example. But does this mean that Congress is to have no elective au- calk .bot, DoPo So gym later say speech that thecae,* many important Aspects at intelligent* ;work which weld .nemendbt be studied without ens need le lawns in detail into the adivitles, particular pawns sod usins in the field. So moth tor the t000serit for secrecy. find myself in even less sympathy with another arguesent Abet has also been ad- Sewed frequently in dieenalons cd Ship ,gtesstinst?nnonlra tiMe coorminIti. existe. Adair? to 'save. the President and the National thicurttir Coupon, and that !therefore we in the Congress have DO rialti to seek a Able- dictiona position. This doctrine was stated hs an extreme Sonn in 1964 by, Mr. Baleen in the Senate. He said at that UAW; ? The Central nanneesee Agency is am ens et the liceeddent. Vales Me Conetibanosk. y Yeel ben no ,riest to attempt to refute," an agency which Is essimest solely to tarn- eine the Prsialent, who. anew the dolastr- lotion. is rimmatithin for Ott 'foreign Ma- nnar. 'with leterseatineto"enable him' be Desks decisions. I. for one, cannot accept that doctrine. As every Member knows. Ahem , two ,branches of our Government, the exam; the and the legislative are not water- tight oompartmenta separated by deal .inditheacts: the material between them is flexible and porous.' There are any num- ber. of congreadotial ocannittees winch keep a watch over the executive agencies. this MUM We have, to name only two. Sbe Foreign Alfalra Comandes which M- antra constantly into the pansies end actions at the President and his agent& and the Goversiosent ?mations Com- mittee which dowdy annitnisei the an.- the organisation , the. -,executtire branch. The Senate bass subcommittee _whose area of operations borders on the very area I am discussing : the SubconS- .:. Mites on Noncom] Security Stalling and Operation& .If we see going to refrain from looking Into the affairs of executive sondes, even agenehliAthich moot Omni to the President, than I tear OP are going te have to distend "a WM Annlber of .ein consmitteseelet Mist to curtail severely their activities eft amuse we in the legislature canna and should not inter. vent ID math benend our competence Set in my view we have not, only a right but s duty to maintains general surveil- lance over agencies like the Central In. Wiliam Agency, which are established by "taut* and sustained by !wide voted by the Mocabeni,e1 these two noose& secrecy and Um erthistvely mantle natured the intelligens* emnionlig...-are Mind gonsistent:-Ratt strandrell' ileningh.ihose whoCa1010 stillIttez SO tids have often ittlemptati.to mandate not that for these reasons Congress abode abstain entirely ft mei owatheingthe in- telligent* 0111222IntitiW. but that ch.the contrary eenmessional ?larded; U.' sit ready mare . dm adequate. : gistsaler Ross= made this dila hi the debate _already gusted. sod 1$ was reiterated by Mr. Allin Deem the foam Diesetor.of Central Intelligens. in his Isola article ,to liecpus-'g.4V/Ixst la hi last the Mont ct acemesalood onveMing" at the nisminth. ? se ? ;.1r, ' In both' the ticase 'and 'Senate 'the bodies reepondble ler everselang the tro- teingenot Miasinity are eidil Mears- undoes of the Aggrepdadoeit and Armed denim Costatittess. Nether thit Please Foreign Affairs Cicamittgo nor the Sol- ate Foreign .leeladens Cemniittee hag foriediehos-111 -Ode arei despite their ebvioe. Merest in tetelifirenee natters. ? Bight not swatter were it not ler the tier that the 'IniraMence "esstatted by the four existing subcommittees' It itillent talTantilly bath anew, and tograllie.,For example, last year during a debate in the Senate the distingsdabsd senior Senator from, Massachusetts, mg friend. Mr. lestroventua. was asked hoer mob time the Armed Services Subcommittee dm- voted to the CIA affairs Mr. Sorme. arms. was perfectly frank., Di : I my on the Soar at the lisnele ChM ? Ma mmail eirmeat bans and go WM mg" Onatils imseetions. Cl letplIMPOO. Cl 'WO a, 4112* . ' ? I ask Members to note the phrase ?veneral hoore?not seeks or even dies, but hours. The ambers of one of the most insportant sommittess in the other Neese devote only ham to the affabs of one of the most important ileabelie of our Cieveremord. The name for this are sendr dear. The methers of the agiscemeattees 1st any%stal ape- clanged. In Um inatestin they Mtn. selves can have little time or thought to devote AWOL ;Abut mot if Mee outworn- tattier do have more time for Meth- pence no/esthetes' the disadvantages at having resocogibilits for the . intellt. genes community divided op Mang tour different subcommittees would. I think. be obvious to graven& I maintain that congressional surveillance of the bytelli- 'awe community is not now adequate ??? - 1100INIff..????? - ? Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/10/29: CIA-RDP80M01009A000100050002-2 Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/10/29: CIA-RDP80M01009A000100050002-2 1963 ? ? CONGRESSIONAL RECORD ? HOUSE 14267 and cannot be adeousts es long as it continues to be organised as it b at present. A moment ago I referred to the Cen- tral intelligence Agency as are of the most important agencies of our Govern- ment What Is true of CIA is, of course; even truer at the intelligence commu- nity as a whole. Yet from time to time those irlso maintain that intelligence ot- emboss fall excluelvely within the emu- the sphero-those. hi other words. who are Messed to the estebnahrrient at a Joint congremional committee-147 to Persuade us. despite ell we have heard and seen during the past few years, that nimniheless CIA ? is a Inaeli ablaut -body, that that It la not directly me- oerned with the making of ratimml Icy. Kr. Anal Dulles himself remelted several years ago: CIA Is nal ? potteriolatog Ammer we furnish tatellimnios to midst In tali torunda- tion of polday. - Senator Boum dining a debateto the ethw body was wen More blunt: some asnatois' who artereesat theelesas to 1210 11110111110M Mooney Wet. assmed to hold the opinion that the CIA was a politly. making apsney. That theme ran aIl through ' the ribliarth ehlds'emre 'outdo in aucesey of the alaptlas of the meolution. *- Wx. ? ?MIMI* the ..tientral Intenlyenco. ? Agency Is -lir_ team bibs a pollbsymetteg *vac,. ? IMMO Mo pointy. ?. 4 'rhodisthiguilbd Senator went on to say that CIA vu merely a *sardine** end lutessootion-sattering body whose function was BMW, to Present its nut:- loge to the actual polio:making body. the National Meouriti Council. Sauter Roseau. said all this in OK In my view is was scarcely pbuelble even then. tiow La INS after our eitpert-, tome ha Globs. Laos and eleewhiti.t to say that CI& le In sso sense a pongees/r- ing body is to say something that Is Pablo wins& The National Security Act, under which CIA operates. does not, of anima foresail, allsign it PoLicsinalt- ing functions. But CIA Is a policymelr. tag body, and we all know it. 'Ms see,.; aona have boss well put by Prof. Harry Bowe Ransom, our leading lay student of Waimea affairs. In his Andy "Central Intelligence and National Be- cznity.? Published as early as UM. he has ' to seo: ? - ressionelb1111y. TM policy malibmP?Ultirsillot a Certainty -the CIA hoe no simple untie action. Sather It is a Owings process. A key einnent In On prisons Is the Infonnallati anttlabbe to palleymaters. man. or group, oontrollhig the Interalatlost avadeble to ponersiskire dem In toot pay a aspic It team* eels la policymalikom Astev. Plies later Ptufeeme Rained adds: - ? Ti voted bevomeallstio to sanest that the bright young men m CIA. by training. MUM. and PenenallaY. 40 not bete arttoeg Menu we policy. It tt le granted that InicaltAltial controrerMal Mews of national indeed power. Ti win be recogabsed that In reality the A. through as morembeg dels eceoseiromelly Mang small eshdi responsible decision makmo-bas ease la play a major Ms In cresting national mow rity policy. . No. 12/-4 ? Surely those statements can no longer be regarded as attatblue but tbas simple truth. In fact even Senator Roseau. appears to have came round. .last year. -during the hearings mi the confirmation of Mr. John Manse to be Ohmic, of Central intelhomes. assales Bale= remarteed: ? ? r *LA ? III this pawl throeb ishishwe int panel- ing, this oaks Is pumps second only to the ProWacrel th tio failiertIMPIL ? ? A few moments late be yipested the Debit / am inclined to agree with sen- ator Roam& And I submit to pm that one does not describe a man as holding an edike "mond only to the Presidency In Its importance if the agency of which bits the head b not SOO it pelieloret- InS stem, of -thetett OM' 01.,? - ? I, mlawoko Oft point. Kr'. Biseitir. I hue' been =MB, concerned to clear the grotmd, as it were-40 state- its cleans as I ecodd my *Nations to tnogrgo- nsents most coonnonb? used bropporienta of the proposal I am importing -Only by implication have l'enggellted positive reasons why I think a Abst'Cohinnttos an Pereira Inforznatioband Irdelligenos should be establiahaL Imint now to ad-, dress 62 the -COW? *hi eb I kINA 11,Joint It noessiarn MOO! linportant -wild lurk d. z *tit wow *Neal? . undertakes Mit TIMM w 'hike; Oft ftrillei paha.' The Omen&Ide=eteelloy. and Wised the "tedbo' coos- rromity. is highly-and ?Iseeessarier-ele- cretin In its mode Of OMMIlitIont Per this reason outsiders Mte myself have no alternative but to rely far their Informs- bon on mierammer Sports, en the we- e'.1 'pabildbed belatiale enHOUR and Illmate 1101111dItteld, ctsthis vat et whams like Profemor Ilehmeh. and on a miseellanlitle virlety Othet eburem In the very naeore of thing oar atom-. marts and erttielonemanot be authori- tative% We are watt* In the dart. or at lent in the mensiterillghtf, Weverthe- bee. I think we dr know anew* Whets loaeonable ereurds her impedes that all is not we within the Intelligente ocannunity, Zion loth astpertant Mink we Imow enceigh to be certain that we need to knout siore-andr by "vs." of coarse. I moan not. hosonartly ih? r getretel peels nor eye ,sitley Member of Congress. but thieflilecabses IMO Would save on the kin* .et ecentedttee have In olds& ' '3' ?? " WhY, then. do I think knit a Min. mines should be sstehlished? ?' have two genital Mom& . The flat cams= the eartmordlnorl number of sputa& criticisms that he.. been leveled over the years &DAY the Central 111-; taligenes Aiwa and trf, itisalit the Intaligenos .community as S whole. AML... AIM Dulles reoacIli Poona ? -- - . Toe mime ISO of opeatiome that alongwatt. Those VMS ge baby guoersfly spesh tor themselves. And I would not- want OW a IsiOtlislid to deny that the Central Intelligeno? ??????,--n. Agency has scored a number of quite spectacular sumesses-the U-2 over- flights, for example. and the overthrow of the Maude* nettle In Iran. On balance it is ainsost certainly this to sal that ?am astrenuntty has served the Ratios leelL But the fact does ransin'that an abasion the oom- mann? has blimdered seriondy. and that for Its blunder the elitivu of the Volted Mates have paid a hour Mieo ? Let we refer to Ault a few instanesa- Back In IMO, as Mr. Miss blussolt hag tacitly admitted, the bitellieenee eon- nutnitzt faded to anticipate the Chinon, Comnumlit Intervention in Kama. We are .101 Owing with the otaisyneneas at that particular failure. A eve Tem later gel -11001Ving new* CIA toused as orlon erahatrassesseg hs HO Middle Bast and WILY have ecestillintsd. hollyetly to ths:etwe 'affair.44111-Stihr OM President Nagar of Rapt ebboed In a Apes* at Abeandsta that he had been Arena, advissd as CUB. Odaallst,' mart W1131'110 boron an forpoet Mos.' sags that be was about to reestin from tag State DeVertessist..ft Ins MOW qamitly cardlonad that the odielai question had been the segtonal Mire- Oritgitre.ot CIA. ? n 1.14ste seesitft"aratasCrar the' lies000t the By et Piga. Chief room- Obtlity. for that1siantabis Affair= teeklrtth the Progido et the it ' States. However, there can bs ne ton but that *be Central Intelligeties' Amoy was dwell involved hi the whole affair, and that Its actions and advice bad a decisive effect" on the eventual ouroons. Bureb most lleasbent of the Bonne will agree that it would be in the national interest to know whether stab incidental were merely DArticlahr Oar- Wipes or whether. In tact. they farm a Pattern that is tlitelY to he Melded to the tuhve. - -- - secood general reams for prg tar the establishment at this committes, I am stets Writs bristly, it la this. I abhor government by secrecy. .1 regard It as iniadeal to the effective function- ing of our institution& I regard it as alien to our American WAY of lifa... Above I regard it us threat to out funds-- mental liberties. I fully _realise. at, Calina1 It should ba akar 'freed, what? I luive said already that a. high doom a sewn/ . Antenna' to the 'moraines at Sb. Intelligence oottultunitg.----;-_-? . MS, I fear that- with raped . to the intelligence communits we are ohm the victhas of soma foe secrogra Things are done soy and In our risme which. we /mow nothing at. I do not wish to see the legitinsato swot* at the intolligenot eammunity reported In the press and on the air. Of course I do not. Huai* does sem to nie at ancemous im-. Portance that a few selected representa- tive, at -the yeavls. chases by the two Hamm ot.Coditess. abonklbapauthin- stab 'aware at *bat the-Intelatrusto ocionmushq Is doing and of the wag In which it Is going about doing S. -The Amarican people have at stabs. we moldy their liberties but their lives. Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/10/29: CIA-RDP80M01009A000100050002-2 Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/10/29: CIA-RDP80M01009A000100050002-2 CONCrittbarkriNrva. ? 121268 Despite all I have 'es.id so :tr. there to do with the activities of the Nation- would. of oourse, be little point In ertab- dist Chinese. Our Ambassador of course' lishing this Joint committee unless we believed he was telling the truth. But had some fairly dear ides of What we what he was saying was to fact not true, thought it should do, of whet subletts and naturally the Burnicee were shacked we thought it should study. I propose, by this apparent , evidence of American therefore, to continue by discuising tour duplicity. ? What was the shot et this questions. All of bigh importance, which episode? The American Ambassador re-. I think might usefully be investigated:- signed. the U.8..0overrunent was deeply fink the relations between the Central embarrassed. and the ?monument et Intelligence Agency and the State De- Burma threatened for a thne to tweak off partnsent. especially overseas; second, diplomatic relations. ? . the relations between intelligence-gatb-? Admittedly, tins incident was partial- en the one band end so-called !any ludicrous. But it is not without =operations on the other; third, Parana. Our Police the early Magee dim and training of intelligence of the Laotian crisis appears to have personnel; and fourth, the whole QUM. been constantly bedeviled by a lack of 'don' st ? intellleence .ervaluation. I pro- effective 000rdination between the CIA pose to deal briefly with the first throe of *and -the State Denertnieni. _ffimilarLY these questions and to say rather nom with Cuba prior to the Biy Of Pas tu- eibout the fourth. rodeo. .Mr.. Tad Sento and Mr. Marl Whit, the makes bitten* CffA and: -Meyer; In thde,:ablejeceetnit? of that. the State Department. ? '? ?? riffraff describe bow, on Its own initiative; ribse problem Imre his been posed Mc: CIA estabbshed does wanting relate's cinder by Henry Rowe Ransom in the with exiled stronortme of the former clio- book I have already cited. On page 2111 tater Batista. They add: , . he writes:: ? .? ? ? This Amnion misted the inanguratlinel - The operatles. by the US. necessities% et lent. In meg* beeinte b10111112dent fCE; a waves asset apparatue tar *Attaining** di% Peng /cairn Man to Maths dare- grAthering and peilliesi action easild have Pat ge law Udadring In tat Iniito 11~ 40, diplamatie is Sims There me the lilatelDepartuant; ' ? - =aleal:areele taetantaabaltt aftwl" 1**' Itirgiati;iO4 OriPhe tbS seendise diplemane ads- " - -Sam ta asineyit tentgo poses (as of Sestetery ft Strits.- " The number would ? be. irraitlirati-n?ene ur -likerjee rale 0=111:airest CIA. Strum then the IlerteNilien Danes agreement on the relations between Am- bernackes and CM MIMennel in the field bes been realenned by Mr. therk and Mr. Weans And by now we have ream, to bops that the responsible foreign Policynialuna-the Proficient and the Ratko& Security Coursoli-heve =etre anthority over the Central ? Agency.- agree that to aanattkeibla *glint this is a problem of particular wraps and particular thus - tacos. -But IS Is also the ems that, err keg es both StaM,Departanent and CIA Pereconsi saw marking. In tits add. as loos sa both agencies are responsible few the 1101100tiell tnionnaticer. and--per- baps most importnnt-e* ices eautinues to be responsible for special oPerations. the problem of integrating U). Central Biteiligenoe Agency thtd our general foreign /1012lanpandos will re- main althorn end remain worthy at dose and eontinuons swasaination, The exercise off Antreelllance In this add I gent/she to be eibe postale lunation of a Joint Congreedonal Cern:maid ele elan Info:earthen and Intelligence. ? A teamed" ago / alluded to the con- duct by the CIA of so-called special op; orations; that ts, the fomenting of appa- rition againse-hostile governments, the arming of tesingents, the provocation of enemy action. and so on. The question of housing these. wend operations-or additional earned or other functions or whatever you Oath to eel them-under the earns roar as the CIA's ',web tritel.: ihtenceitatheringl aberatiams' Nigh a course. bong been a matter of contrnversy, and it is this question that I suggest might ussfully be the second of the new Joint eopursitese's areas of study. I do not suppose we need to be re- minded of the importance of this quern- ??? non. The Bay of Piga invasion was only the most spectacular and best publicized of CIA's special operations. There was the 'nudger. affair In 061. and the fol- lowing yea; the overthrow of the Athens regime In Cluatemala. CiA also appears -to here beds hand in the main risings In Eastern ihrreee. In'tad Berlin and Hungary. ?thrones= of this sort, unless' carefully supervleed_and controlled by responsible political -albeere-Could un- wittingly involve the United States in * maim Anternetkinal nrida. possibly in war; If this was not dear before the Bay of Pkgs. -1, Ought to be deer now.- The institutional danger hero Is reed- ily aPParent and bag often been stated: As Prufemor Ransom Puts fl? ' - To ids the Ina ressersam- ? ? ' 7' TVIiireat __ gethering lad oPendions- .? ? , : ? timbres thaisieric that emirs minas sot- lecUng this Sad 'hying at the WM nits to bother or OWN the overthrow at a foreign gmermasta in daisies% apparent Jalereig may develop ? Mei Use enjoins, sewn for distinguishing basest test Andampastion. Mears. Seale end Meyer Make the same point inirepes oe Cuba: . The CIA men more not rely thaping. In etteet, fornea po=dbr Wan pl from tInat."6141=11bily we is, the .endeliu. position of boa ormniaby elandestine elation and preparing the intelligmair data Weep wither .tha vandlty. ?ges :vasters mud to SAW. .t. ? - ) ? ? ThiGlisters soltdion iiOdic mobilise* would. of MOM be to donee CLa Ott - *hely of Its medal Operations funetion. Unfortunately the Pallas hi the most fa- vorable position to ? colleen etannestine hiformadost are often deo the peonie best plead to dream In "stemeterie polit- e/at seties. Zn addition. a total A- rmee- Worith MC ten funatiniur, sageht lead, in Itaneem'a weds. ta ?arecelpeti- don. thiplieetion. and men egteignt cart-' filet.? ?M.O. Urn. the Maxwell ?Oyler Com- antes. mot:abed by the Prodder/I In in- quire into the Bay of Pigs affair. op- Peas to have toyed, at tee* with an alternative Ides-the idea et ring the the bulk of CIA's spode* operations to the Defense Department. Bat this solution would have had the squally ob- vious disadvantage of ensuring that the enthrone Yilflitary-heire ? hew the olitt_i4t arearatige ofthe Carrera- ta benne imbed as soca sr al* Paramilitary oneratioer bei", matter of pebble knowledge. - tn the event. It seems that main omen operations have been left -be Us hands at CIA. with control to be tram !erred to the Pentagon only if a partite lar project li?Maies so big as to gnaw open military partielpation. het Range Baldwin 111 the NOW York TIMM sumnw un the Matter thus: ' The pima* role d amen Sr the tutu is time the Cad Ant 1,0?44, _gar r manly mdllary aparatiese, or aim of war also that they atatact be hip* searet. Yier 414W, lea on. idu appessrily - be peat on to merits there Is no hardomd-A formals that MU put one opersties the CIA and another under the Ilantepa greater now-- and Ma ealeMnoe Azanken secret agents In most or these mos foreign *mac Chaos. titt are must be eserefted in teapot( AM diplimmey amustat Amps isyMg and best-. Maio pontamd maneuvering, Mamma On the mime, yet the tlisionnte probably shoved sot be esepierigy In Sao dant ea to lao warns.. of Anignese serge ambit. - The posdbly disruptive effect tie Ito-. Mg. on the premises of Arne:lean 'ow. Meths abroad or in the fidd. smuts. who owe allegiance to 1101000t le other than the ambassador end to en argent-, lotion other than the State Department and who may be engaging in aothttiee rinming oounter to expressed Stata De of - partment policy, sanely needs epellimg out In ? ? Nor are these dangers satiety thoen- 'attn. It seems, for example, that to-'. ward the end of the Cl/brew civil leer remnants of Chiang led-eheit's Ba- Army moved trite Parts eff northern Runes:. 'Thme traced claimed to be sager to harem the Comminute tame the border, and CIA secomitenly. stivpIted them with large eUtintitiee of money and arms. But aocceding 00 available reports the anneal had lone sinee tired of fighting. Instead a at- Woking the Communists, they promeded to settle down, to eeeepy mush of the beet agricultural lend in northern Burma, and to cultivate opium-sin with the amistanell at U.S. funds. - * sreuld have been a nielandidi Episode in any case. ' But wird made et worm was the fact that our Ambassador in Rangoon anParenibr had not the faintest idea of what CIA wee doing. When the Burmese Government fort:raft complained to the United States, the Ambassador issued a categorical denial; he said the United States had nothing ? ' ? ? ?? ?? ??& .4% ? ??? ???11106 ?????r?-?ryv???/?????,.. =?.,,?????? ??? ?? ? ..001.146.???^??? Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/10/29: CIA-RDPAnnAni nno A nnr - - 196J . ..Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/10/29: CIA-RDP80M01009A000100050002-2 All of us. I think. will agree that this Is it wi.ee. for exemole, to rely to the is an area In which hard-anti-fad for- extent CIA seesaw to do on the services unites are not appropriate and in which at retired service officers? One would in the nature of things. Organisational =More that retired Berries oflicers. innuendo cannot solve the major dill- though almost always men of greet obit- culties. As In the case of relations be. itY, would hey* on inginotivo tentiena tween CIA and the State Department. to take a rather Darrow. Atka/ roDert-.. much depends on particular people and ? Weal" view of the prehlems confronting Particular ..situations. _But largely be- them. Similarly. is It wigs 10 rely too COMM the probbmi lad this sort. because Issavily en the MOMS otos/Waal exiles it Is a problem which can never finally and refugees?. Itsome resembable; for be solved. I reel very strongly that con-j example. to suppose that an exile from tinning ? congressional " surveillance - Raritan* enteciallY gamete* who hal urgently required. Il a joint committee passionate canvietiens about what mune had been In evidence in the early stages events M his homeland might to take. of the Brat Cuban crisis, and if it hid may not be ? the beet per to emcee had cognisant* of this matter, would the what Walille events In his homeland Attu- Bay of Pigs nada. have occurred? I ally are taking, especially it what is oohs- think it Is at Bast passible that it would ally happening is sot to his taste. not. ? - releemPsrPlease &Apt eileundentand nix I Discussion of the Bar of Pigs leads me do not mean to impairs ;ffie,,anarrooue. notarial), to .the.third of the questions I amount of valuable wet losing done bp think a Joint ecesmittee adght Wadi- "--retired girdle eflemi !Ind hr aage. and gate: the whole question of recruitment retugses in the CIA. ?Whoa their.holP... ant personnel within the Intelligenee the argeniseeaa laisril=anee conimsmttx. To r ft seems to me perface- . Boa. Altogether the total. le dear that cocci the things that went genes Agency undoubtedly ,awassnands wrong with the abortive Cuban inia. some of the ablest minds in the U.S. Oar- don?not the only thing. but one of the enamels'. And of course I do not mean. things?was that much of the CIA per? ? for a moment to suggest that CIA should sonnet reeponsible for the operatice con- be staffed with 'Imift-nners" or people sisterly/ the sort of potpie who could ant who have bad no Pecorouti eXperieneeof distinguish between the reactioneer?and ?the eenntriee to etwitless.-Ibist would the democratic elements In the ? anti- absurd. , ;- , f?,? ? ? ? ?: Cedeo canip.-leetween the opPments edBut what I de Oda* that ire haws Castro who were acceptable to the Cuban to be sure that -What we are getting . are. people and those who. as former ettp- actually the facia and net what we Porters of Batista were anathema to would bke to he the teas. This is not st them. matter ot persona/ preference one war Let me quota again from Smile and or the other. It Is a matter at !lading Meyer. In their book. -The Cuban In- out what is actually taking place?and vision." they write: personal prefetences enter only as the" Una the CIA ereabliehed anted, hi 111. MI7 00kir Orin judgment. I sweet and with pre-Datista arganinatiosa and With that the indgMent of fhtt CIA isiollith? war irooPB wboott estsly Pellth**1 5b5oso567 times colored by the priderence of He was dedicated to the Mans tO tia? pra-Ointiv anugarasa; iluspatt that tzt mot to dame' quo II Cuba. ? ? ? lbws faetiOlto take special ears to media asid employ ww pledits themedvee not oni, aphid OM- tro but nosiort Metal; whether or not the mea and of woof Weft* imok- CIA operatives were aware that Weil wiper ground* brosperaments: and opthfene.-I awn is Impossible. us? cesteete with the that in thee Wadi Of siteations rightist teettons ran oottatier to ordinal us. asa gets at the truth only when a wide voila,. ablest at esoonzegine WOW flitOrlft Milt, Of Indinatida. isWaft* to bac in Latin dimilaa." But remember that Uwe me my feelings A tow owes way they syroirk this only. I have tittle dda at my comment. she amnia of the rgA agents reseculd All I am 1167121g is that I have ? hunch a desire to promote anti-Castro groups that CIA Twoolltulont Puna ano had on which they could manipulate. They pop- affect on Ciall Derforsomiew r he Untie: wrong. but I intent Mei the only wet it ala ratiaatadan "mud, Cl foamy to we in Canaries an BadOut is by out- Isse-se.cessasy paw group' ay aftead.ist. Viteel 0011daeting an Infer, ? into the newt operatives. Me In tam affeeted Ithe subject. -4 ? ??- ? -I _ ? ? top levet Cl the wpm* and malted in a leolc The whole eueltion- of Personnel end ot naderstreading at the tap. It le het deer reernitment is, tam the ogre of ths to what antost tii? CIA atittud? vas Wisoiar- mom I groom ukto. to me a mot 00m.. Many motivated or woe dimply a napalms mittee study. I would only add that of towed on the agent's view ot what re preo- course no Investigation need Inquire Into tioal or redlinc. the names and Milgrim Cl . particular This tendency on the part of the CIA Individuals lambed: thew need be nes to seek out and support the mod wen- ameba of smutty ? or asensey. ? The Communist groups in the add. regard- maker we are coacessoi with is on. of Iasi Of whether or not Buell groUps are general policy. ? . Politically viable, has of course been Pinally. I want to bun to what is manifested on ? number of ocher oda-- perhaps the mod /WWI 01 the four sione-4n Laos as well ea in Cuba, end gmetlena I reared In artier: Me gimp allPhrengi in Algeria and the Congo as tion of how best 10 'manias Use well. It is a persistent tendency, and Atkin cd the enormous snow* of ma- one that on occasion hat had a damag- Serial collected area day by the various Mg effect on our policy. I lusPeCt it has agencies of. the intelligence ?ammonite. something to do with the kinds of people Obviously evaluation of some sort takes the Central Intelligence Agency gets-to place at every echelon within the tom- work for IL munity, but I am particularly concerned ? ? -?-? , _ s. . . - ? ?- with the top-level U.S. Inicingenee Board and its auxiliary bodies. Probably a few words are in order on how these agencies :are organised. I think the following descrtption la roughly accurate, though the Central Intelligence Agency refused to provide me with au- thoritative infonnation sci?I base bad to nay on data from published sources., abe phrase .3.1ntellfgence -musdb?"I mean libe fin- menus monde* within the esaentive branch concerned with intelligence collection and evalua- tion: the CIA, the new Defense Weal- game Aram., the atom DapartMent. BAND, and so en. ,The ocanniunili ass a whole 10 responsible for wothies the national aetim - by Pinter- ear ? Baum as lbw- vital building blocks of national Emanate Paler." . With 'lb. exception cd the ultzesscret net esti,- matte ntichato peedimiedtpwidel AM- eibinea Adthlri-the iftWoal "flitheity ''060noll, mint silthatssAns ~dm!, 4se aegis Of tissi Board:of National Zstimatee.' *.Thle Board eamatiot stuallhictiber of Intelligenc*. egpertesoldleru-dtplo- nude. and scholars-tic,. to Coate Ren- eges Win. "peed& as &Rind of Olanning general staff tacit* inbeffigenee. com- munity." The Board. can. Initiate the Preparation of an estimate. though it usually doteritrouly mewl from the Iftesident. the Director of Central Intel- ligence. or some Other Mtn bar of the Na- tional Security CoimelL'"In afi eames.4110 Board of Itational Ifettniates seta -the terra of referen* brinks the WOW= op Into feasible ecainmente. and sedan' &mandate tasks to the various agencies. The resulting staff studies are collated Ws the smell Mae of Nations/ Estimates. The Board then drone either a straight admate?that is. ene which Wasp* lo amine a feedlot Isalikees Intentions et tura roadie with !MOM emigoiplient au to Mare U.S. .Icy?or A moral stip mate?that ia.one involving stated AD. imptions tonoenniis papelble cheeses in U.S. policy. Atter the draft estimate bee been returned to the pertionedieg 'agen- cies for their 00111111112te and ertUteetaa Vs is aubenttted. Poselble with disease* to a oonsmiltee which used to be Miami se the ratellsenre Advisory Committee but is now named fin U.S. InteLligenoe Beard. If the Board of &inmates is the plan- ning board for the Intelligence . opm- amity, the httelligenes 'Board b board cif directon. As Ransom puts to, to is the *final terms for the . professional Intelligence coannunity.? It /Wolves nutglictional disputes within Use eon- moseist and is Arany responaibie for for- warding the nations& eistimalies to -the Ifiitionat fidomity CouncIL Invarlakey this attempt is made to produce agreed estbniste& and usually the attempt is ono- earful; but OD 0001100111 dimenting min- ions will be stibmitted. The Inteletense Bawdmete usually on.. a, WeilL It coned, et the leading Malone* orb- dale Cl the community and is Oohed by the =realer et Central Xisteillfana Two allpeCal at this process in partial.- tar are worth noting. The first Ii the central role at the Central Intelligence Agency. A high proportion of the Intel- ligence conumnitra fact gathering is done by CIA. 'The Board of National 1910 ???????. ? ? ?-??????..1.4. ???????- 0??????????????,..????????? ..????????? Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/10/29: CIA-RDP80M01009Annn1nnn cnnno Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/10/29: CIA-RDP80M01009A000100050002-2 i4270 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD ? HOUSE August 1.; estimates fUnctiona as a part of CIA. The chairman of the U.S. Intelligence Board is Director of CIA. And, of course, the intelligence community's spokesman on the National Security Council itself Is also the CIA Director. The Second thing worth noting, however. is the -duality of CIA. role. ? Under the na- tional Security Act the agency is not only one Cl the participants in the in- telligence community, it is also the chief agency responsible for coordinating it. In other words, at many points in the process of evaluation, CIA Ls both player and umpire, both witness and judge. This ambiguity is implicit in the Otte of the Director who is formally not the -Director of -the ?Central -Intelligence Agency" but simply -Director of Central Intelligence." the danger here is char. - it is that the Central Intelligence Agency Will beconte?Perhalei it has ahead' be- oome?not merely the chief Intelligence agency but the dominant Intelligence meaty, and that it will develoP pereistent institutional tendencies, biases, and even 'Sondes. This type Cl Probleld is. or. Mune, not peculiar to the American In- ? telligence community but Is charaehr- ? iitic Of 'any oxiipleit Paratus. That is the reason it has con- stantly. to be guarded smiths!. Shaman- tent, a Yale iiiiifessiteiiiad? a World War U intelligence officer, put Sb. point this way: Almost any man or vat* 01 man aa. fronted with the duty at getting ennething Vermeil or getting something done win wooer or later hit upon what they coninder a single most dastrable opines of action. Visually It is sooner einnetinse& under du- ? 1$ Is a snap tudgment of the top et the hold. I cannot Image the beim that ender the etroureateumer *Waned. hiteillestioe will and itseit tight In the middle ot policy, and that non occasions it will be the unabashed. apologist for a given policy rather than Its Imperial and objective analyst. BMW and Meyer, writing of the Bay of Pita conclude: girt MA wee not believing idiotically: it was In many mime responding to the Mee- lets* ml .-fl- that infects a sheltered bureaucrac7. Indeed. If there is an institu- tional villain. It Is bureaucracy itself?that hulking. stubborn giant that seenUngly can only look where it bas been and not whither 11 1. tending. Professor Ransom calls It simply the problem of "feedback." Naturally in the early months of 1961 the adfilinistretton addressed itself to this problem. After the Bay of Pigs it could scarcely do otherwise. In partiget-' lar it reactivated a watchdog grout, set UP by President Xisenhower in OK_ originally called the President's Board Cl Consultants on Poreign Intelligence Ae-. Unties and now named the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. This Board, under the chairmanship of Dr. James R.. =Ulan. Jr., of the Mama- euhetta InsUtute of Technology, studied the question of evaluation and appar- ently forwarded one or more retorts to the Prendent in the course of the year. These reports have not been made pub- lic. but I think it is possible to piece to- gether from nelniPaPer reports roughb what happened. It aeons that the NO- Ilan committee, or at least some Of its members, were unhappy about the dual role being played by CIA. They proposed that in future the Director Cl CIA should be more o( .s technician, and that a new post should be created. Trebel* 'at- tached to the White Hamm with IMO mush 'Mk ;as "Coordinntor of Intel- ligence." the new coordinator would be In a political to stairs* and ateett the results achieved by the intelligence com- munity without having any bias in favor of CIA. Reports to this effect appeared. frequently in the pries in June and July 1961. In August Mr. Mien Phillips of the New York Times stated that the new' post bad actually been offered to Mr. Poerler Hamilton. Zither' these 'reports were inaceurele, of the adminletration changed its mind, or they Could not find itnyone te'oboitpy the new-poet, bemuse In Setrtember Itel the President announced that Mr. John A. McCabe had been named Director of Central Intelligence without any mire change being made in the structure ' the Intelligence community. 'Subs,- tinently, however. In January 1942 Moe' such change was announced. Mende- ' forth the Director of Central Intellignise wog notte Inaction both se Chairman el- the A. Intelligenoe Board and alio as CIA imelaber cd the Board. Insteid; though the Director was to remain Chair-- Man Of the Board. ah deputy weft to het as reeireeentative of the CIA. In a leiter; to Mr. W.cCone. the President noted this change with approvaL Ile added: ? As heed ot the Central fatalness?, Agoonf, while you will omicaul to have *mad re- sponsibility tar the agsney. II shall aspect you to debilitate to your principal deputy. es you may deem necessary; so muds et Use ellserition ot the *MOW opiention At the lleeney ss you may?be required to permit you to Anity out your primary task as infector Or Central fineldgenos.. _ - Closely there. was a dnenuna here. On the one hand, it was evident that CIA's intelligence slithering and operational functions could conflict with its 000rdl- natant function?and. of mune. what was true of the Agency was also true of Its Director. On the other hand. the President and his advisers were almost certainly aware that an independent co- ordinator, who was not himself the heed al maps agency, might first himself weak even Powerless, in the face ol the ? vast intelligence bureaucracies. Inde- pendence in theory might mein im- potence In practice. So a compromise was struck. omit the duties of the Di- rector of Central Intelligence merely redefined. : How succemtui this compromise has been It Is probably too early to sax . But from all?that I hen said. It ought be be obvious Unit the problem of evaluation. like the other problem" I have already mentioned, is a continuing on*. and not one that can be minted out of existence by airily institutional gimmickry. It is also obvious that the problem of evalu- ation is an enormously important prob- lem, probably the most important con- fronting the intelligence community. For there reasons, I think that it, 100, should be a continuing subject of scru- tiny by a well-qualified and well-staffed committes of Conine& ? Mr. Sgiesker. I do not wish to detain the Home further. I have spoken at considerable length. yet I am only too well swan, that I have only drimmed the surface Cl thh extraordinarily compli- cated and difilcidt *object There are any number CI further questions that I alga havirposor exannile, concern- ing the apparently there? aging ooncentra- tion Cl authority Within the intelligence community. or about the tote of the U.S. Information Agency: T And. of course, I must repeat that this has been essentially an outsider's analysis. I have been trying merely to suggest what kinds at inqtdry a joint eommittee Might undertake, not to whelped* what the results cg,theei Inquiries viould he. ? Nor as I rentaritad at the outset: do wish to insist that the reeohition I am intradadbcterlig.hrovitei the only Pee- rage way at proceeding: 'Perhaps the joint mennittte, abash' be given rather different terms of reference. Or perhaps a body should be established comprising private Mame as well as Members of Congress. I do not want to be dogmatic about this. My purpose in speaking to- day has been to reopen public dimmed= of an Ionic that has too long been dor- mant, and imoreorer to-reopen 11 -at a thee of relative tranquillity; when the intelligence ecesmuntly is not in the Plebe sPittight.otisliaie therefore when them mattes eon be considered soberly. and dispassionately. . ? ? - But we In Congress should not be too timid about putting ourselves' forward. I wonder how many Members of. this House are aware Cl the enormous body Cl opinion in favor of the creation of a congressional joint committee. Both the Hoover Commisdon and its special Inteingenareask Imes favored congres- sional Intention. The New York Times - has eolvdetcntly "supported the Ides in its editorial columns.. Two years ago the distinguished military analyst, Mr. Hanson Baldwin. stated that one of the lemma to be drawn from the Bay of Pigs was "the necanity Cl keeping all secret Intelligente activities and opera- Uons under constant top-echelon sur- veillance and renew." Be noted that the machinery for achieving this would be greatly strengthosed by the creation of a Joint congrandonal watchdog com- mittee. lir. Speaker. I should like to quote just once more from the writings of Professor Harry Howe Ransom who. as I have already said, is our country's leading lay student of Intelligence affairs. think his comment deserves all the greater consideration because it comes from a member of the political science profeerdori.?e extension which, as we all know, has always had a strong bilis in favor of the executive branch of gov- ernment. On page -2011 of 'Central in- telligence and National Security" Pro- fessor Ransom remarks: ? ? ft is eitenraini impatience for security polltimakers, military and etorilian. to And their fear of imogreseional intension= oteinged Into gratitude tor congressional support, frequently mare effective sappers than has been awarded on the executive Ade of Oovernruent. ? No executive agency today reveals everything to ocseressicess/ otos- maims with Valediction over its operation& Oilktals of antral intelligence may be ea- Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/10/29: CIA-RDP80M01009A000100050002-2 Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/10/29: CIA-RDP80M01009A000100050002-2 i4270 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD ? HOUSE August 1.; estimates fUnctiona as a part of CIA. The chairman of the U.S. Intelligence Board is Director of CIA. And, of course, the intelligence community's spokesman on the National Security Council itself Is also the CIA Director. The Second thing worth noting, however. is the -duality of CIA. role. ? Under the na- tional Security Act the agency is not only one Cl the participants in the in- telligence community, it is also the chief agency responsible for coordinating it. In other words, at many points in the process of evaluation, CIA Ls both player and umpire, both witness and judge. This ambiguity is implicit in the Otte of the Director who is formally not the -Director of -the ?Central -Intelligence Agency" but simply -Director of Central Intelligence." the danger here is char. - it is that the Central Intelligence Agency Will beconte?Perhalei it has ahead' be- oome?not merely the chief Intelligence agency but the dominant Intelligence meaty, and that it will develoP pereistent institutional tendencies, biases, and even 'Sondes. This type Cl Probleld is. or. Mune, not peculiar to the American In- ? telligence community but Is charaehr- ? iitic Of 'any oxiipleit Paratus. That is the reason it has con- stantly. to be guarded smiths!. Shaman- tent, a Yale iiiiifessiteiiiad? a World War U intelligence officer, put Sb. point this way: Almost any man or vat* 01 man aa. fronted with the duty at getting ennething Vermeil or getting something done win wooer or later hit upon what they coninder a single most dastrable opines of action. Visually It is sooner einnetinse& under du- ? 1$ Is a snap tudgment of the top et the hold. I cannot Image the beim that ender the etroureateumer *Waned. hiteillestioe will and itseit tight In the middle ot policy, and that non occasions it will be the unabashed. apologist for a given policy rather than Its Imperial and objective analyst. BMW and Meyer, writing of the Bay of Pita conclude: girt MA wee not believing idiotically: it was In many mime responding to the Mee- lets* ml .-fl- that infects a sheltered bureaucrac7. Indeed. If there is an institu- tional villain. It Is bureaucracy itself?that hulking. stubborn giant that seenUngly can only look where it bas been and not whither 11 1. tending. Professor Ransom calls It simply the problem of "feedback." Naturally in the early months of 1961 the adfilinistretton addressed itself to this problem. After the Bay of Pigs it could scarcely do otherwise. In partiget-' lar it reactivated a watchdog grout, set UP by President Xisenhower in OK_ originally called the President's Board Cl Consultants on Poreign Intelligence Ae-. Unties and now named the President's Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board. This Board, under the chairmanship of Dr. James R.. =Ulan. Jr., of the Mama- euhetta InsUtute of Technology, studied the question of evaluation and appar- ently forwarded one or more retorts to the Prendent in the course of the year. These reports have not been made pub- lic. but I think it is possible to piece to- gether from nelniPaPer reports roughb what happened. It aeons that the NO- Ilan committee, or at least some Of its members, were unhappy about the dual role being played by CIA. They proposed that in future the Director Cl CIA should be more o( .s technician, and that a new post should be created. Trebel* 'at- tached to the White Hamm with IMO mush 'Mk ;as "Coordinntor of Intel- ligence." the new coordinator would be In a political to stairs* and ateett the results achieved by the intelligence com- munity without having any bias in favor of CIA. Reports to this effect appeared. frequently in the pries in June and July 1961. In August Mr. Mien Phillips of the New York Times stated that the new' post bad actually been offered to Mr. Poerler Hamilton. Zither' these 'reports were inaceurele, of the adminletration changed its mind, or they Could not find itnyone te'oboitpy the new-poet, bemuse In Setrtember Itel the President announced that Mr. John A. McCabe had been named Director of Central Intelligence without any mire change being made in the structure ' the Intelligence community. 'Subs,- tinently, however. In January 1942 Moe' such change was announced. Mende- ' forth the Director of Central Intellignise wog notte Inaction both se Chairman el- the A. Intelligenoe Board and alio as CIA imelaber cd the Board. Insteid; though the Director was to remain Chair-- Man Of the Board. ah deputy weft to het as reeireeentative of the CIA. In a leiter; to Mr. W.cCone. the President noted this change with approvaL Ile added: ? As heed ot the Central fatalness?, Agoonf, while you will omicaul to have *mad re- sponsibility tar the agsney. II shall aspect you to debilitate to your principal deputy. es you may deem necessary; so muds et Use ellserition ot the *MOW opiention At the lleeney ss you may?be required to permit you to Anity out your primary task as infector Or Central fineldgenos.. _ - Closely there. was a dnenuna here. On the one hand, it was evident that CIA's intelligence slithering and operational functions could conflict with its 000rdl- natant function?and. of mune. what was true of the Agency was also true of Its Director. On the other hand. the President and his advisers were almost certainly aware that an independent co- ordinator, who was not himself the heed al maps agency, might first himself weak even Powerless, in the face ol the ? vast intelligence bureaucracies. Inde- pendence in theory might mein im- potence In practice. So a compromise was struck. omit the duties of the Di- rector of Central Intelligence merely redefined. : How succemtui this compromise has been It Is probably too early to sax . But from all?that I hen said. It ought be be obvious Unit the problem of evaluation. like the other problem" I have already mentioned, is a continuing on*. and not one that can be minted out of existence by airily institutional gimmickry. It is also obvious that the problem of evalu- ation is an enormously important prob- lem, probably the most important con- fronting the intelligence community. For there reasons, I think that it, 100, should be a continuing subject of scru- tiny by a well-qualified and well-staffed committes of Conine& ? Mr. Sgiesker. I do not wish to detain the Home further. I have spoken at considerable length. yet I am only too well swan, that I have only drimmed the surface Cl thh extraordinarily compli- cated and difilcidt *object There are any number CI further questions that I alga havirposor exannile, concern- ing the apparently there? aging ooncentra- tion Cl authority Within the intelligence community. or about the tote of the U.S. Information Agency: T And. of course, I must repeat that this has been essentially an outsider's analysis. I have been trying merely to suggest what kinds at inqtdry a joint eommittee Might undertake, not to whelped* what the results cg,theei Inquiries viould he. ? Nor as I rentaritad at the outset: do wish to insist that the reeohition I am intradadbcterlig.hrovitei the only Pee- rage way at proceeding: 'Perhaps the joint mennittte, abash' be given rather different terms of reference. Or perhaps a body should be established comprising private Mame as well as Members of Congress. I do not want to be dogmatic about this. My purpose in speaking to- day has been to reopen public dimmed= of an Ionic that has too long been dor- mant, and imoreorer to-reopen 11 -at a thee of relative tranquillity; when the intelligence ecesmuntly is not in the Plebe sPittight.otisliaie therefore when them mattes eon be considered soberly. and dispassionately. . ? ? - But we In Congress should not be too timid about putting ourselves' forward. I wonder how many Members of. this House are aware Cl the enormous body Cl opinion in favor of the creation of a congressional joint committee. Both the Hoover Commisdon and its special Inteingenareask Imes favored congres- sional Intention. The New York Times - has eolvdetcntly "supported the Ides in its editorial columns.. Two years ago the distinguished military analyst, Mr. Hanson Baldwin. stated that one of the lemma to be drawn from the Bay of Pigs was "the necanity Cl keeping all secret Intelligente activities and opera- Uons under constant top-echelon sur- veillance and renew." Be noted that the machinery for achieving this would be greatly strengthosed by the creation of a Joint congrandonal watchdog com- mittee. lir. Speaker. I should like to quote just once more from the writings of Professor Harry Howe Ransom who. as I have already said, is our country's leading lay student of Intelligence affairs. think his comment deserves all the greater consideration because it comes from a member of the political science profeerdori.?e extension which, as we all know, has always had a strong bilis in favor of the executive branch of gov- ernment. On page -2011 of 'Central in- telligence and National Security" Pro- fessor Ransom remarks: ? ? ft is eitenraini impatience for security polltimakers, military and etorilian. to And their fear of imogreseional intension= oteinged Into gratitude tor congressional support, frequently mare effective sappers than has been awarded on the executive Ade of Oovernruent. ? No executive agency today reveals everything to ocseressicess/ otos- maims with Valediction over its operation& Oilktals of antral intelligence may be ea- Declassified and Approved For Release 2013/10/29: CIA-RDP80M01009A000100050002-2