AL-QADHDHAFI INTERVIEWED BY TUNISIAN PAPERS

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• Document Creation Date: December 22, 2016
• Document Release Date: February 1, 2012
• Sequence Number: 51
• Publication Date: June 21, 1985
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it is evident that the ruling regime in Morocco is endeavoring to
distract public opinion in the country by means of fabricated lies
consisting of all kinds of despicable things to make one believe
that a dispute exists between Algeria and Morocco. Such a view
of matters is untrue and false. Algeria does not aim to destabilize
any state, let alone a neighboring country and a people with
everything that brings them closer to us and encourages unity.
On the contrary, it is the expansionist policy pursued by Rabat
which is destabilizing the regime in Morocco. Meanwhile, a
solution could be reached and such a solution was proposed by
the heads of the African states. All Rabat has to do is to get the
courage to overcome its haughtiness and agree to sit with repre-
sentatives of the Saharan people so that everything becomes clear
and the clouds disperse. Africa is awaiting this step, this wise and
generous step, which would honor all Africa.
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All a dhaf Interviewed by Tunisia
AL-HAQIQAH
LD211700 Tripoli Domestic Service in Arabic
1230 GMT 21 Jul 85
[Text] The Tunisian AL-HAQIQAH had a press interview with
the brother leader of the revolution, during which he talked about
the existing relations between the Libyan Arab people and the
Tunisian people, as well as a number of Arab and international
issues. The interview was published by the magazine on 19 July.
The brother leader answered a question put by the magazine
correspondent about the. measures taken by the masses of the
basic people's congresses concerning the issue of money transfer.
He said: The international economic crisis has compelled every
country to take meausres aimed at banning the transfer of hard
currencies from it. France has categorically banned the transfer
of hard currency and many countries have abolished financial
assistance to workers, dismissed workers, and expelled foreign-
ers, as in Nigeria. The whole world now bans the transfer of hard
currency in order to face the crisis. Libya is, of course, among
these countries that have been affected by this crisis and it sees
that it is its own right to take any measure to come out of it. The
essential thing is, however, that any Arab who would like to
reside permanently in Libya with his family, can do so; this is
desired and. we welcome it. But those who come to take money
and transfer it abroad in order to consolidate other regimes like
the Egyptian regime, which recognizes the Israelis - this is a
case of consolidation of a treacherous regime. The brother leader
of the revolution wondered: Why do the Arabs go to America and
take up American citizenship instead of coming to Libya and
taking up Arab citizenship and residing therein? We welcome I
million Tunisians, who say: We want Arab nationality. Al-
Jamahiriyah is the state of the Arabs, but when someone comes
only to take money and transfer it abroad he is like a foreigner.
Regrettably, today Arab regimes have made the position of each
Arab country toward any other Arab country one characterized
by borders, patrols, and intensified military concentration. The
brother leader of the revolution stressed that this can be con-
strued as an act of aggression and, he added: After all this an
Arab might come and say I am an Arab and how can I be treated
like a foreigner? How can an Arab ally himself with your enemy
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and the enemy of the Palestinian people and with America, whch
is the enemy of Libya, and then ask why he cannot be treated like
an Arab? We have to be Arabs in all circumstances or not at all.
The brother leader of revolution added: Concerning the Moroc-
can brothers they have entered with us into a union and we
welcome unity and accept it. As far as the Palestinians are
concerned their country is occupied. Concerning the difference
between the logic of the people and that of the governments the
brother leader of the revolution stressed that these contradictions
can only be solved by Arab unity. He added: If we establish a
union between Libya and Tunisia there will be no currency [as
heard] and no border demarcation; Libyan oil would then belong
to Tunisia, Tunisia's assets would belong to Libya, and we would
become one people. But as long as borders exist, together with
countries and political regimes hostile towards each other where
one of them would ask for the help of the enemy against his own
brother, in this situation the contradiction is very acute between
what we would like to see and what in fact exists.
The brother leader of the revolution expressed his hope to estab-
lish comprehensve Arab unity beginning with economic integra-
tion. He said: We are on our way toward economic integration
and step-by-step integration unity.
Answering a question on the building of a railway line linking
Tripoli and Tunis, he said: Libya is ready to build the railway
line and to linkup the railway lines and roads. We even consider
radio and television transmission as linked between Libya and
Tunisia. However, the Tunisian side was the one who closed down
the transmission line; if it is opened on the Tunisian side, televi-
sion transmission will be easily seen in both Libya and Tunisia.
The brother leader of the revolution stressed that we have no
reservations about anything transmitted from Tunisia; it is the
Tunisian side that has reservations about things being debated in
Libya, things such as: people's authority; people's committees -
there can be no people's congresses without the People's Commit-
tee, committees everywhere; anyone belonging to a party is a
traitor; people's forces cannot be divided; authority and weaponry
must be in the hands of the people; land belongs to all; services
in homes must be carried out by the owners thymselves; houses
must belong to those who live in them; and cars must belong to
those who drive them. These are the mottoes that can shake all
the existing governmental systems in the world, can end the era
of the governments, and invalidate the theory of government,
which is the theory of repression and exploitation. This is the
theory of Al-Jamahiriyah.
AL-MAWQIF
LD191936 Tripoli JANA in Arabic 1730 GMT 19 Jul 85
[Text] Benghazi, 19 Jul (JANA) - The Tunisian weekly AL-
MAWQJF recently interviewed the brother leader of the rev-
olution.
The brother leader dealt, during this interview, with a number of
Arab and international issues, the foremost which is the current
Arab situation vis-a-vis the Zionist enemy. The brother leader
considered the unionist stance of the Great Fatih Revolution ase
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Noah's ark which will save the Arabs from the deluge, which is
represented in the Zionist wagon of death supported by American
power.
The brother leader stressed that an atmosphere of understanding
prevails over the relations with Tunisia and added that we do not
recognize at all borders drawn by Italian and French colonialism
which led to the schism and the division of the Arab homeland.
He stressed that we are one nation along the line of the African-
Arab Union. The brother leader stressed that this line is
(?decided) by the unified Arab people in both Al-Jamahiriyah
and Morocco. He said that the establishment of the African Arab
Union between the jamahiri system in Al-Jamahiriyah and the
monarchist system in Morocco has resulted in solving a dilemma,
which has stood an obstacle in the path of unity.
JANA Criticizes U.S. Diplomatic Policy
LD202100 Tripoli JANA in Arabic 1710 GMT 20 Jul 85
[Text] Tripoli, 20 Jul (JANA) - American diplomacy is pres-
ently making intensive efforts through its agents in the region to
drag specified Arab quarters toward further implementation of
the stable David accords. Despite the fact that since the advent
of Reagan's second mandate in office American diplomatic
activity has been moving in a vicious circle centered on King
Husayn's role, while dragging the most capitulationist Palestin-
ian sides to the negotiation table, the deadlock of this diplomacy
continues. Given its nature and the extent of the American-
Zionist strategic alliance, it will not be able to achieve the plans
that the reactionary circles proposed, that of forthcoming Amer-
ican negotiations with a joint Jordanian-Palestinian delegation.
In the last few days the names of some members of the Jordanian-
Palestinian delegation were announced to the accompanying,
planned reactions in Washington. Occupied Palestine and
Amman are considered as paving the way for Murphy's
forthcoming tour to the region, arranging things in the interest
of American policy and securing a state of quasi-unanimous
official acquiescence to it; the plans of the American Government
previously suffered a series of failures and retreats due to the
tenacious resistance of the Lebanese and Palestinian nationalists
and the Arab progressive forces that reject American dom-
ination.
Talk about current moves on selecting members of a capitula-
tionist Jordanian-Palestinian joint delegation which, by its
hireling composition, will satisfy the American . methods of
blackmail and procrastination. This underlines the fact that the
solution sought by reaction is nothing but the American solution.
All the parties know quite well that the task of a Jordanian-
Palestinian delegation is part of a mediocre farce, and that it
would adversely affect the Palestinian cause due to its acquies-
cence to stable David-type agreements - a matter that would
provide the Zionist entity with Arab guarantees and justify this
entity's usurpation of Palestine. This would also maintain the
state of homelessness of the Palestinian people and deny them
the right to set up a homeland. By means of the farce of a
Jordanian-Palestinian joint delegation, reaction has publicly
made it possible for the Zionists to determine who would negoti-
ate with them, and to secure yet another precedent in the series
of the reactionary initiatives of surrender in their favor. This also
allows the Zionists to justify the fact that the stable David rulers
in Egypt continue on the road to capitulation.
The American Government, which is still suffering internally
and externally from the consequences of its terrorist moves,
particularly in the Arab region, is seeking to strike at the fronts
where the nationalist and progressive forces have scored signifi-
cant advances and success, particularly in Lebanon, Syria, and
the Jamahiriyah, and to back up the hireling symbols who are
acting to distract the Arab masses through continuation with the
American diplomacy series, over which only the Arab rev-
olutionary force and its men know how to draw the curtain.
Participation in Emergency Arab Summit Accpeted
LD201313 Rabat MAP in English 1211 GMT 20 Jul 85
[Text] Nouakchott, July 20. (MAP) - Mauritania has accepted
to participate in the Arab emergency summit called for by King
Hassan II, the emissary of the Moroccan King and minister of
religious endowments and Islamic affairs, Mr Abdelouahid
Rahdi announced at the end of his meeting here Friday with
Mauritanian president, Col Maayouia Ould Sid'Ahmed Taya.
On his part, Dr Azeddine Laraki, Moroccan minister of national
education was received Friday morning by the emir of Bahrain,
Shaykh 'Isa ibn Salman al-Khalifah, to whom he extended a
message from the Moroccan sovereign relating the holding of the
emergency Arab summit. Mr Laraki prior to this and in the same
respect toured the United Arab Emirates and Qatar.
As to Mr Ahmed Osman, speaker of the Moroccan House of
Representatives, who returned home Friday, he conveyed similar
message to the heads of state of Jordan, Iraq and the Palestinian
leader, Mr Yasir 'Arafat.
UN Secretary General Perez de Cuellar Visits
Arrives in Rabat
LD192057 Rabat Domestic Service in Arabic
1900 GMT 19 Jul 85
[Text] The UN secretary general has said that he is visiting
Morocco to discuss issues of mutual interest with officials. This
was said by Javier Perez de Cuellar on his arrival in Rabat this
afternoon for a 2-day working visit:
[Begin recording in French followed by Arabic translation] I am
glad to visit Morocco at the invitation of his majesty the king in
order to discuss issues of common interest to Morocco and the
United Nations. [End recording]
The UN secretary-general was welcomed by Abdellatif Filali,
minister of foreign affairs, cooperation, and information; Moulay
Mahdi Alaoui, Morocco's permanent delegate to the UN;
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Moulay Ahmed charkaoui, secretary general of the Foreign
Ministry; the governor of Sale; the UN representative in
Morocco; and several other personalities. . . . . , .
Meets With Hassan, Lamrani
LD211057 Rabat MAP in Arabic 0900 GMT 21 Jul 85
[Text] Rabat, 21 Jul (MAP)- His Majesty King Hassan It last
night received UN Secretary General Javier Perez de Cuellar,
who is on a working visit to Morocco, at the Royal Palace in
Sekhirat.
Following the meeting, his majesty the king gave a banquet in
honor of the UN secretary general, which was attended by His
Royal Highness Crown Prince Sidi Mohamed. The banquet was
also attended by Moroccan Prime Minister Mohamed Karim
Lamrani, some government officials, Chamber of Representa-
tives speaker Ahmed Osman, and other officials.
Javier Perez de Cuellar conferred with the Moroccan prime
minister before the banquet. During their talk, which was held
in a friendly atmosphere, the two sides reviewed a number of
political and economic issues of interest to both Morocco and the
United Nations and the role the Organization is playing in
finding useful solutions to the problems facing the international
community. On this occasion the Moroccan side reiterated
Morocco's adherence to the principles of the United Nations and
the continuation of its effective contribution for the success of
the task which the United Nations is striving to achieve.
Regarding Morocco's main objective, the prime minister recalled
the efforts Morocco is exerting to end the artificial tension in the
region and expressed his hope that the United Nations will
continue its efforts to find just solutions to Third World coun-
tries' economic problems and debts.
Sources Silent on Talks
NC211836 Paris AFP in English 1811 GMT 21 Jul 85
[Excerpts] Rabat, July 21 (AFP) - United Nations Secretary-
General Javier Perez de Cuellar ended a two-day visit to Morocco
today which included talks with King Hassan II, Prime Minister
Mohamed Karim Lamrani and Foreign Minister Abdellatif
Filali.
Moroccan sources were tight-lipped on the questions discussed,
but observers here said they must have included the issues of the
Western Sahara and Mr. Perez de Cuellar's possible role as a
mediator in the conflict over the territory between Morocco and
the Polisario Front guerrillas.
Observers noted here that in official statements the UN
secretary-general and his hosts never mentioned the Sahara.
Moroccan television merely said they had discussed "a number
of political and economic questions concerning Morocco and the
United Nations."
However the television hinted at the Sahara question by mention-
ing "Morocco's supreme national cause" as one of the subjects
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covered, and said Prime Minister Lamrani had informed Mr.
Perez de Cuellar of Morocco's "efforts to end tension in the
region." . , , ,
Makes Predeparture Statement
LD212046 Rabat Domestic Service in Arabic
1900 GMT 21 Jul 85
[Text] The United Nations secretary general announced that he
has found a clear interest in finding a peaceful solution to the
Sahara problem by the king and all Moroccan officials.
The UN secretary general, in a statement to the Moroccan radio,
TV, and MAP news agency in Fez before his departure this
evening following his working visit to Morocco, explained that
his visit to Morocco provided him with an exceptional opportu-
nity to discuss with his majesty the king, the prime minister, the
speaker of the Chamber of Representatives, and the foreign
minister the issues of mutual interest.
Mr Perez de Cuellar said he had a lengthy discussion with his
majesty the king on African questions starting from the situation
in South Africa, the African summit, the election of the new
president of the OAU, and the question of the Sahara. He added
that he had informed his majesty the king of his exchange of
views on this matter with the Algerian president, the Mauritan-
ian foreign minister, the Libyan foreign minister, the secretary
general of the so-called Polisario Front, and the new president of
the OAU. Mr Perez de Cuellar added that he is leaving Morocco
with adequate information concerning the Sahara question.
"I believe," Mr Perez de Cuellar added, "it is possible to work
on starting the chain of peaceful settlement through negotiations
of this African problem. His majesty the king and the Moroccan
officials have a clear interest in finding a peaceful solution to this
problem." "When I return to New York" the UN secretary
general added "I will be prepared to make an assessment of the
situation and in September I will submit a report to the UN
General Assembly during its ordinary session."
Mr Perez de Cuellar believes that this report will help the
member-countries to address themselves toward the suitable
work to find a just solution through negotiations to this problem.
Mr Perez de Cuellar expressed his satisfaction with his majesty
the king that the United Nations would act within the interna-
tional community. He expressed his hope in finding a just and
peaceful solution to this problem.
Concerning the United Nations' concept of holding the memo-
randum proposed by His Majesty King Hasan II, Mr Perez de
Cuellar explained that he had discussed the matter with his
majesty the king, and noted that there have been some
achievements. On one hand there is the cease-fire and the memo-
randum on the other. We will work to activate the negotiations
taking into consideration the Moroccan stands and at the same
time the possibility of holding the memorandum at the nearest
time.
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