REMOTE VIEWING SESSION CC21

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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC21
1. (S) This report documents a Remote Viewing (RV) session
conducted in compliance with a request from SOD, J3, OJCS,
Pentagon, Washington, D.C. The purpose of the session was
to provide information relevant to the hostage situation in
the U.S. Embassy compound in Teheran, Iran.
2. (S) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are
provided as raw intelligence data and as such have not been
subjected to any intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation:
Interpretation and use of the information provided is the
responsibility of the requestor.
3. (S) The protocol used for this session is detailed in the
document, Grill Flame Protocol, AiMSAA Applied Remote Viewing
Protocol"(S), undated.
4. (S) Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions
during the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made
by the remote viewer reference his impressions of the target
site. At TAB B is target cueing information provided--the
remote viewer.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC21
#66 This will be a remote viewing session (edited for
security).
Relax and concentrate now. For the past few mines
you've been studying a photograph. Focus your
Focus your attention on area Relax and c nce rate
and describe the area to me.
+04 #07 I'm trying to see inside of rooms...dark (mumbling)
shapes ...sticks tied on end and spread out the bottom
end so they'll stand up
#66 Ok. Tell me more about these stacks.
#07 Like tripods...3 or 4 feet high.
#66 Are these stacks inside or outside.
#07 Inside somewhere. Trying to see rooms.
PAUSE
#66 Area E now, relax and concentrate on area E.
#07 Area E.
#66 Alright.
#07 lilds of.....big belts or ribbons folded. I see
+07 two big curved knives ...white wall... decorative
sons thing underneath the (mumbling)...it's just
decoration, I'm sure.
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#66 Ok. Tell me more about this room that you're in.
#07 It's a..... ok.... 15 - 25 feet long, 16-17 feet wide.
Off white or beige, fancy carpeting and all (mumbling)
teepee shapes standing around.
#66 Ok.
#07 I don't see anyone in this room. No people. There's
other rooms...I ...just
#66 Alright. Tell me about these other rooms.
#07 - (Mumbling)-...front is door over there on the right...
(mumbling) I see the figure two...and hallway...' see a
bed...empty coat hangers-I'm ...(mumbling)
#66 Tell me more about this building.
#07 I'm trying to go down this hall.
#66 Fine. Relax and concentrate. Tell me as you go.
#07 Look back.. .two doors on my right...I don't know why
+12 I can't see people ..... I don't see people.
#66 Alright.
#07 Wait a minute.
PAUSE
#07 Here's something. Holy cow....
#66 Describe it to me.
#07 Very bright light just ...uh...swung across
PAUSE
#66
Go on.
#07
I want to (mumbling)
#66
That's fine.
can tell me
and you can
Just explore the area for a moment, you
later. Just explore the area for a moment
tell me later. Relax and concentrate.
#07
There's something about that room...right at the end
of the hall. I can't get in there. I (mumbling)
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+16 #07 I don't...I don't feel so good ...I'm going to
throw up.
#66 Ask yourself, "What gives you this feeling?"
PAUSE
#07 I see a lot of empty bottles... mechanical things in
there.
#66 Where are these mechanical things?
#07 On the side towards... away from F. I guess it-would
be towards E.
#66 Ok. Now focusing on E, search E for people. Focus
on E and search area E for people.
#07 1 thought ... people... probably in that room where I
couldn't get into.. .down the hall.
PAUSE
+21 #07 I think there's three people in the big room...with the
Tlk .
#66 Ok. Describe them to me.
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#07 Uh...I have feeling they're not... of ours
#66 Tell me what gives you this feeling.
#07 They're too casual.. .and they're no guards on the
doors ...this room ...and they're not tied up or anything.
I just...they don't seem to...they seem kind of...kind
of happy. But there's something in that room down the
end of the hall. I never did this before but I tried
to get a hold of a door knob. I don't normally fool
with door knobs but I felt I couldn't get in if I didn't.
The best I can say is I got a awareness of people in.-.
the room at the end of the hall. I get a very bad
feeling about that. I don't think I want to go in
there. I'm going to try one more time, then I'm
going to get the hell out of here.
#66 Alright. Would you like some assistance getting in the
room.
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#07 It's at the end of the hall. I think I'd like to
see in there.
#66 Alright. Would you like me to help you see in there.
#07 I can use all the help I can get.
#66 Alright. Stand before the door...
#07 Door knob's on the left.
#66 Alright. Now, as I count to three move slowly through
the door - one-moving closer - two - the door is at
your face - and three - you are through the door.
Now describe the room to me.
+24 #07 It's a big room ...it's longer to right and left than
it is straight ahead. There's a window straignt ahead
of me. There's ...beds to the right of me...huh...
bunk beds...against white wall..
#66 I didn't understand you.
#07 Bunk beds .... cots I guess you call them.
(Mumbling) is very bad but ...there's three cots...
Big bed over there, three cots here. It doesn't seem
that bad. There's light coming through the window.
Sure looks quiet.
#66 Is this room occupied?
#07 Yeah. I think...I think people on the bed-something
I can't see people, I see a lump like somebody's there.
It's awful quiet.
#66 Ok.
#07 (Mumbling)-there's something on the left. I can't
make out....oh! There's somebody sitting in...uh..
(mumbling) room crossed legged just sitting there...
sitting on the...sitting on the floor. I don't
understand why I couldn't get in there.
#66 Describe the person on the floor.
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About 5'8", 27 or 28 year old.
#66 Dressed.
#07 Dark trousers, got a beard, dark colored shirt...gray
...not very bright, just dull color...
#66 And, what's he doing?
#07 Just sitting there.. .his hands laying across his
legs. I think he...yeah ...he's watching the beds...
I get the feeling he's armed but I can't see a weapon.
Its ...uh...laying on the floor... unless ...uh...
#66 Ok.
#07 There's two or three people (mumbling) outside the
two windows.
#66 Move outside the two windows and describe that area
to me.
#07 There's trees. Look like walkway.. .some kind of
ornamentals next to...house ...near the...three guys
+33 standing near the big (mumbling) near the.......
there goes one of 'em...three guys standing corner
of the building...one of them just headed down towards
building F.
#66 Ok. Go with him to building F.
PAUSE
#66 Describe area F to me.
#07 Ok. I just...I keep seeing this figure four....
associated... this building F...trying to look at
+35 building F...just inside I see repetition...(mumbling)
repetition-it's a long
1166 What's repetition?
#07 To my right. I'm just getting a glimpse of it.
#66 Relax and concentrate.
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#07 Yes. There's a light on...floor lamp...to my right...
?j eem to be getting tan and brown colors in here.
I think it's paneling on the right wall.
#66 Ok. Tell me more about this room.
#07 It appears more attractive to me than other room
...a little more elegant.
#66 Ok. Try not to compare. Try to focus your attention
solely on this area, area F.Area F. Move through area
F and describe as you go.
#07 I'm trying to get rid of..... I'm trying to get rid of
the imagery from E.
#66 Yes. I understand. Focus solely on F, now. I understand.
Just relax and concentrate.
#07 I don't understand this..... but... I'm going to dump
it anyway.. ..Just right wall-going to hallway I saw
olive drab packs. First I thought they were parachutes.
They could be...imagery..(mumbling)...bundles...uh...
PAUSE
#66 Search area F for people.
PAUSE
#07 This ones got a kitchen... get...
#66 It's not necessary to analyze what you see. Simply
report it. Feel free to say anything you see.
#07 Obviously a woman standing by the sink in the kitchen.
I don't get that. I thought they were (mumbling) a
onfused. It just occurred
little bit...Oh...I'm ver(C',
k for people, what the
to me she might be there coo
hell she doing this time... just... is a woman in the
kitchen...I'm going...I don't know who she is...
#66 Describe her.
+41 #07 Brown sweater like...dark ..look like corduroy trousers...
long dark hair, about 30, no make-up, long-sleeved...
uh...
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#07 I can't talk to her. She gets...she gets nervous.
She don't know I'm here. Come to think of it,
nobody's watching her.
GOD DAM! I...I...uh...I ask..I ask her her name.
She...turned...she turned... looked at me...I...
(mumbling)...I could do that. She seemed very
(mumbling) but she's...I don't think she (mumbling)
She sure looked towards me.-and-now she's got her
hands in the sink again. Gosh, that scared the hell
out of me. I really didn't think...I really didn't
think she could hear me.
#66 There's a part of her that could tell you her name
without her knowing it.
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ape over
(turned
Here we are know. Now you may continue.
PAUSE
#07
You want me to try again. Don't you?
#66
Focus your attention.....
#07
...on the woman...
#66
Yes. Once again
#07
Ok.(mumbling)...is a.. .standing in the doorway...
she appears to be facing the wall on my left...cabinets
above her...window straight ahead.
her one more time.
I'm going to ask
#66
Tell her it's alright to tell you.
Be friendly.
#07
I scared the hell out of her the last time.
#66
Be friendly.
1107
I'm friendly. Ok
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#07 (mumbling)... she turned towards me...she dried
her hands... started backing up. . .slapped her hands
over her ears and bent over...closing her eyes and
holding her head.
PAUSE
+52 #07 Dam...she's got blue jeans on-does that mean she is
one of us. I forgot to tell you she's about 5' 7"
..5' 8"...GOD DAM she's scared... really scared.....
#66 Ok. Perhaps we should bother
Moher ve on anymore.
through Let's
the area F
move on through the area F
and describe it to me.
#07 I'm backing up.
PAUSE
I keep seeing an awareness.
#66 Tell me about your awareness.
#07 I'm going out on........people to my right.......
+55 Don't ask me to explain. I don't know why, but I get
ortant there...
im
p
a very strong feeling someone very
two people very important-also in this building
.towards the end of the hall. I see a man...about
6'2" -- late 40's/50's... There's somebody else over
I can't see him ...I have a feeling ....got
th
ere.
...grayish hair temples...no more than that. I guess
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leg hurts like hell, just above the knee. DAM it hur
#66 Alright. Focus on another individual. Focus on
Relax and concentrate. Focus on
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another
another individual. That's fine. Relax and concentrate
focusing on another individual.
Relax and concentrate. Relax and concentrate. Big
breaths. That's fine. Big breaths.
PAUSE
#07 I got (mumbling) over here. Funny, I can see in all
the other (mumbling) Absolutely blank, absolutely
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black. I can't figure exactly where it is. It's
small. Yeah, there's somebody in there. I think
..looks like it's very tiny...very tiny... space...
(mumbling)... all scrunched up in a corner... forearms
up over his ears. . .hands behind his head.. .his knees
up to his chest. I don't know how in the hell can
I see.... it's dark in there and I can see.....
;r66 That's fine.
PAUSE
#07 I don't know where this room is. I just try to go through
the house and figure out where it was. I had a feeling
it was not too recently a part of the house. It's not
+60 `qroom...it's a space...I feel nausea again.
PAUSE
#66 This time I want you to listen to the sound of my voice.
Listen very carefully to what I say. Listen only to
the sound of my voice. Listen to my voice. . .listen to
my voice ...that's good...I want you to leave area F
at this time... leave area F. That's fine. Leave area F
now and come back with me...come back with me now...
come back with me now. Now move your arms and move
your legs.. .move yo-Jr arms and move your legs, move your
arms, move your arms and move your legs. Open your eyes.
Open your eyes. Move your arms and move your legs. That
is good. Open your eyes and sit up.`
I'm going to have you draw some of the things that you've
perceived. Move your arms and move your legs. That's
good. Ok. Now we can draw.
(Drawing)
#66 You're starting here with page one with inside
perception of...area that I told you was area E.
Ok. If you write that down at the bottom of the page
it might come out because I think that building E there
will be in the binder. OK.
#07 There was another door in here somewhere. Maybe in the
end, I'm not sure. I really don't know.
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#66 You had the teepee drawings ...you've drawn...
do you remember the belt things that you told me about?
#07 Oh yeah.
#66 Where were they?
#07 There were some here and some here.
#66 What were they, now? I 'didn't understand you too much.
#07 Belt-they was folded like that..I think that's too big..
but...and I thought here there was something.....no, wait
a minute......
#66 This is the decoration on the wall that you said you
saw.
#07 Yes. Hum...I'll be dammed-some of the belts were in
boxes..... these were quite dominent...they were quite
noticeable.. .were dark ...oh my gosh ... you know-those
eould be...uh...those could be belted ammunition ... and
I thought was..... something drapped on the wall over here.
Ok. I saw a room.
#66 Ok. Then... this room, now, is in a different place?
#07 No. Same.
#66 It's in the same area ...but
#07 It's through that door in there somewhere... and this
was centered.
#66 Oh. I see. So this is actually hallway door, here,
that I see in drawing one.
#07 I think so. That's the way I see it.
#07 I saw a bunch of hangers with only clothes hanging
on the step at the back. I saw no one in that bed.
I don't know why. I don't know why I drew that so
small.
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#66 Ok. We're moving to page three. Where are we going now?
#07 I'm trying to remember the inside of that room I had
trouble with.
#66 Ok. This would be the room at the end of the hall that
you had trouble with.
#07 Yes. Something wrong with my scale
PAUSE
#66 That is where the entrance was...
#07 Yes.
#66 And that is the door you had trouble going through.
#07 Yes. I just-there's no other way to draw the dam
thing.
#66 Where was the individual sitting that you said you saw?
You said you had one in a bed, you perceived one in
#07 a bed and one sitting.
#07 There was someone with their back-what appeared to be a
back to me here and I was vaguely aware that someone was
probably in at least a couple of these. In one and two
I thought... there was...I could...I was vaguely aware
of someone or something in there. This person had their
back to me...uh...but I seem to remember there was somebody
over here.
#66 Ok. You talked about someone sitting in the room too.
#07 Ah! Over here there was someone near the wall. It's
ok to see through walls but it's hectic to draw seeing
through. Let me see here. Someone sitting on the floor,
and I think it was a weapon laying to the left.
#66 Ok. I have a, question on this. There was a word that
I didn't understand. I thought you said bunk bed. Did
you say bunk bed?
#07 Bunk beds. -There were three of them. These are cots, bunk
beds.......
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#66 Are they two-high or one-high?
#07 Oh, yeah. Right along in here there was a...yeah...
it struck me rather funny. when I...when I went by
it, but...yeah.
In here somewhere was a three ...two...a double decker...
seemed like it was along in here ...it might have been
between... right along in here, but...uh...I remember
moving over to about here and I saw these. Yeah. I
think maybe (mumbling) to the right of the door.
#66 Ok. Before we leave this room then, can we get a
count of the personnel in the room?
107 1 think I saw what I thought was four. I didn't know
whether the other bads were occupied or not. This
person was awake.
#20.5 (Humbling)... go back a little bit.
#66 Ok. Back to page one.
#20.5 You saw three people here?
#07 Yeah. There was someone over in this area over here.
#20.5 And you thought that those people were not hostages.
#07 Yeah. I thought they was kind of happy on an
ego trip or something.
#20.5 I understand.
#07 They seemed hyper...
#20.5 Too casual...and all that jazz..Now ..<
#07 But there was someone over here. Just sitting casually
over there with elbows on her knee.
#66 Now those same kind of feelings that you talked about
here in building E, drawing one... the feelings about
the people, that they weren't hostages because of their
casuality etc. Identify with those same feelings.
now, about this room you've drawn on drawing three.
How about the feelings about that.
#07 I felt that these people were being watched...crazy
door...I thought these people were being watched. I
assumed by this person, here. I also thought there
were three people outside the window.
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#20.5 They just happen to be passing by and you saw them.
#07 I had the feeling probably roving patrol-like a
guard or something...seemed very casual.. .kind of
bored with what they were doing.
#20.5 Where is this room?
#07 This room...this room...let me see...wait a minute.
this room is down here
#66 Ok. Then your indicating that the room in drawing
three is at the end of the hall in drawing two.
#07 I couldn't figure why the hall seemed to be running
kind of in line with the buildings...I thought...
I would have thought they went around perpendicular
but the way I saw it it looked like they run in line
with the building. There was a...I thought...I don't.
think it showed on the photograph... but I thought
that building there was a walkway along by those windows
and vegetation close by, and trees to the right. I also
thought the walkway cut (mumbling)... what I saw when I
saw the people stop at the corner of the building.
#66 Ok. At this point you're in room three and I had you
move out through the window.
#07 1 thought there was vegetation close to the building...
a logical thing ... thought there was a walkway running
right by that window and I thought the people were moving
by on it. There was one person outside the window for
quite a while then these other two came by. Then they
all three went down to the corner.
#66 Ok. Why don't you draw a sketch now. You're approaching
area F.
#07 Approaching area F.
#66 Or your first impression of where area F was.
#07 Ok. I thought the room was pretty close the size of that
one represented in number one, but it seemed different.
I thought I could see paneling of the not like cheap
American paneling, but squares done with nice molding.
Let me see .............................................
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#07 (Mumbling) I can't draw...I don't know where it fits.
I don't know how big it is or what but I saw a vertical
linear repetition. I had the feeling it was a show...
I don't think it was people but I had the feeling it
was for affect...I don't know what it was. I had the
feeling that whatever it was it was probably 5 or 6
inches across and it was standing vertically linear
along this wall ....... dance table..... something here.....
there was something over here ......but I don't know what
it was..ok...there's something rectangular on the wall
#66 Ok. Moving into page five ...kitchen scene...
#07 Brown sweater... later felt that she was also wearing
blue jeans...I thought there was a table or something
there... and there was cabinets there. The second
time she turned towards me...uh...she backed up towards
here...there was a chair over here somewhere .......
she backed up this way...I was standing over here
somewhere. Anymore questions about that?
#20.5 Is there a window in that?
#07 Yeah. I think right here. Something's not right
in that corner there ...... remember a chair.
#20.5 How did you feel about her? What's here role?
#07 1 was very confused about her because she didn't
appear as though she... well... she wasn't tied up, she
wasn't blindfolded' or anything. She was standing
there alone, appeared no one was watching her ......
this confused me because I thought all the women had
been pulled out of there. Later, it occurred to me
maybe she was someone hired to cook for the people in
this building. There could be another woman there and
she couldn't be doing some cooking. I don't ...I just
don't know. I really don't. Whoever she is, I felt
she was friendly. She was in between 25 and 30 ....
5'7", 5'8"...... but I thought she was friendly.
#66 During the experience that you had with her is there
any response that she gave you at all?
#07 (Laughing)... I'm not sure I'm ready to discuss that
As you told me, I tried to...uh...I spoke to her...asked
her what her name was. I did it with the feeling I had
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when someone told me to try with a combination that they
had come up with. I did it because someone asked me to
not thinking that anything would happen. Just to get it
out of the way. I was very startled when she stopped
what she was doing and turned towards me rather
surprised. I'm not sure how I felt about it...I felt
very startled or very nervous or ill at ease. For some
reason I don't remember right now, I tried again and
she stopped what she was doing, dried her hands and
started backing up, put her hands over her ears
and bent over ...you know...at the waist...with her hands
over head. I didn't feel good about that. Apparently,
she didn't feel good about whatever it was she was feeling.
I had the feeling she did not see me. But something
sure bothered her, and I felt I was the one that did it.
I don't understand it and I was quite startled. I did
it expecting nothing and I got a response, and I'm not
sure what to make of it.
#66 Any information on her part. Did she provide any
information at all?
#07 No. I was after her name. I didn't get that and I was
conscious of the possibility-if I could get her to talk
to me that I could get more than her name. Whether she
was friend or foe, I might be able to get more information;
and I thought, gee, that'll really be great, and I really
tried. Her response was one of confusion and fear. As
though she was aware something was happening. She didn't
know what it was, and she didn't know whether it was her
imagination, or what, but she didn't feel...she was
startled. She was ill at ease...she was scared, I think.
#20.5 She didn't speak at all, or utter anything.
#07 Didn't utter anything. I thought that maybe she
...just through thought both of us thinking that I could
get something. I did not get hostility. There was no
words at all, but I got no feeling of hostility.
#66 The reactions that you got from her...were they emotional
in nature. ,
#07 She could be a hostile individual but I got no hostility
from her. If you understand what I mean.
#07 What did you say?
#66 The reactions, then, that she gave you, the reactions
that she had were emotional as opposed to communicative.
#07 Yes. She was definitely aware that someone friendly was
standing at the door. ....was the feeling that I had.
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control and became emotional and afraid. .. .the way
I saw her.
I went down another hall and I didn't go in...but I
had awareness of people in rooms to my right ...uh...
I don't remember pursuing it in finding out who they were.
It was very quiet. Not very interesting...I don't know
but I felt eight or nine people to my right. Went on
to the end of the hall and it's kind of fuzzy here, but
I had the awareness of two people ...one of which I saw..
late forty's early fifties...I felt the person was
important...uh...and I was confused, but I.asked myself...
what I think...the person's important...the only thing
I could come up with was just their appearance. I thought
graying hair at the temples first, then I thought, no,
I could see it across here looked like it was whitish
or grayish. It was more than just gray around the
temples. There was another person of less importance, but
I felt highly important, off to the right somewhere...
did not see them. I don't know how to draw that. My
drawing would not depict what I saw. It was a person
6'2", I guess, 6 ft 6'2"maybe. I thought the other
person was somewhat slimmer ...the person I did not
see.
#66 On which person were you focusing when you began to have
the leg pain ?
#07 The white haired person. Numbness down the left hip
,.down the left leg...but the right leg was hurting
above the knee ...down in this area here...it was really
quite severe. The other was a numbness. I felt a
tingling like ...uh...when your foot goes asleep...felt
like the whole leg...the hip...and this could have been
my lying for so long-maybe it was real-maybe I felt
it...I don't know. I felt a numbness as well as the
pain over here. This was quite severe.
#66 Ok. Right leg pain approximately 4 inches above the
knee.
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much bigger ~h$n a phone booth a I saw someone...
140 to 160 .uh...right down he lower-one of the
corners at was there.--h s up on the back of their
head a ry6 their arms ove heir ears and knees drawn up.
Really1cowering is w I want to say. Cowering in the
corne I looke r a door or something that would
tell m son was restrained in there... locked in
there and I could see no restraints. The person was
a tall black void...now that I look back, it could be
the feeling this person had of the blackness... the
bleakness because I could not see...I could not see
walls...I could see the person...I could not see walls.
It was a very sad, emotional thing, and I didn't like
it. I started feeling very confused.. .as though I were
identifying with the person...and...uh...I don't think
I could remember very much after that. Is that about
where we quit?
#66 Yes. There are two areas that I'd like to review here.
First back in the other area, in area E, there was a
point in time, I believe it was area E, when you had a
feeling of nauseas. Was this back in area E?
#07 That was when I was trying to get in the .....I was going
down the hall tryinq to look in the rooms on my right and
worrying about the room at the end of the hall.
#66 Then there was one point where you mentioned something
about bottles, empty bottles...
#07 Oh, yeah. There was-one room to the right that had a
bunch of empty green bottles. They were sitting-the
caps were off...I'm quite sure they were empty...I
could see the top half. Whole batch of them there. I
kept trying to get rid of it and they kept coming back
and I thought...hey...dump it...let somebody else worry
about it. I don't know what the significance was, but
I think it was the second door, I believe, the second
door down the hall.
#66
Ok.
you
that
Now, is this feeling of nausea at the time when
saw the bottles, in and around that time ...is
the same feeling that you had...
#07
It had nothing to do with the bottles. . .it had nothing
to do with the bottles. I don't know what caused the
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see anything that would make me nauseas. I felt
anxiety.
#66 Now, I want to ask you if this feeling that you had
in and about, is this same feeling that you had in
the other area when you saw the person cowering and
then became feeling ill at ease. Is that the same
feeling?
##07 Yes. The nauseas was the same except the latter one
with the person cowering, I felt ...uh...confused and
helpless and.. .like I just felt there was no hope...
very afraid...with the nauseas. ..yes. ..physically it
felt the same. One point...the first-time I felt I
was going to throw up. I think I may have said that.
It went away. I can't remember why. It just disappeared.
Almost as sudden as it came on.
#66 Do you have any questions #20.5.
#20.5 I'm just confused on some of these details near the end.
In this one you describe something that look like parachute
packs.
#66 Drawing number four.
#07 Yes.
#20.5 This is the first one that's in building F, right.
You said something about packs.
#07 Yes. Packs...I think...
#66 Back packs as opposed to duffle bags.
#07 Well I toyed with them. I...they were olive drab...
they were fabric... and I saw part of a parachute.... and
I looked for straps on this and say hey that's a
parachute.. .1 didn't know...I honestly went through the
bed of things-is this back packs. . .is this shutes...
and I couldn't find nothing to tell me-they were
about 24 or 28 inches long. maybe 15 inches wide...
I had the feeling they did go on a person's back...
but I honestly could not figure out...I tried
I thought about packs, I thought about parachutes.
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#07 At one point, and it could have been an overlay,
..........I saw a parachute opened. I remember
trying to shake it off because I said what the heck
has that got to do with this...and it was then that
I noticed the packs. There was also some in a room
over here to the right...back here.
#20.5 Ok. So these that you've drawn don't represent the
total number.
#07 No. It's about the size ration...there were more...felt
there were some stacks here.....that could have been my
repetition that I saw along here. I don't know. Because
when I saw these, it was much later, and I didn't
remember the repetition when I was looking at these. It
could be that the resolution was getting.....
#66 Were they hard, were they soft...if you punched them
were they soft?
#07 I didn't try them, but I had the feeling they were
....definitely felt like a parachute packed parachute.
#20.5 That's good. Your drawing id building E and building F
two different floral patterns on the rug...and I just
wondering if you just drew haphazardly or pattern that
you saw, because they are distinct patterns, ok.
#07 When I drew them I didn't notice that they were.
I just tried to make something that felt like what I
saw and that's what came out. I drew it very fast. I
fd!t this was more round and this was more geometric.
That's all I can say about that.
#20.5 OK. There was a difference in what's there...that's
what's important.
#07 I was not aware of it when I was drawing them. I didn't
feel carpets were important. I don't know why I did it.
#20.5 You mention these six to eight people again. I don't
remember you saying that on the original go through.
#66 You were walking down the hallway and the feeling of
these people on the right.
#07 Yeah. They were on the right. They were to the left
of this kitchen.
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#20.5 But you had that feeling. You never went in and
saw them or anything like that.
#07 No. It seemed-they seemed very quiet.. .very peaceful...
they were there...I felt no thoughts...I don't know if
you can feel thoughts. . .but I felt no communication...
or anything...I felt they were asleep. It seemed very
uninteresting. Nothing was going on, this is an
awareness; I did not see.
#20.5 Then you saw these two people and one was more
important than the other but they were both important.
Where were they in relationship to ......
#07 They were......
#66 Give us an overhead so that we can see where they
might be.
#07 Ok. I hadn't looked....let me look at it..... I'm
not sure I could get all... roughly... it's got to be
bigger than that.......all this scale is wrong ......
I thought there was another room here, but I.....
there's another room in here somewhere too... 1 don't
know something's wrong here. There may be another
room there.
#20.5 Ou say two important people are in the room at the
end of the hall.
#07 Yes.
#20.5 Where did you sense these other people? Six to eight
people. And where was the one (mumbling) had his hands
over his head and all that?
#07 I thought in here somewhere. But then I thought I don't
really know that that's actually in the building. But.
I had the feeling that it was in this area right here
by the squiggly circle. There were times I thought it
was the left'end of the big front room... at one point
I actually thought it was a box.
#66 Label this please drawing number six and label it as
being area of building F.
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say anything more about them...
as in this (mumbling)
The important people.
#20.5 Yeah. The important people.
#07
I tried to identify exactly who they were ...uh...
I run...uh...several people I'd heard about on TU...
through my mind ...uh...no identification ...uh...
I did not know who they were...I felt they were very
important...uh...I felt that they were given--a great
deal more attention than...uh...some of the other
people.
#20.5 Are you saying you thought they were important
hostages?
#07 M, yes. I think these six to eight people are hostages.
I think these two people over here are hostages.
#20.5 Ok. I think that's the first time you've said that.
#07 I...I...and I though...I felt the pain when-I was talking
about this guy sitting here with the gray hair.
#20.5 Ok. The two important people that you think might have
been hostages. One guy you didn't see at all, rreally.
#07 No. I thought he was off to my right...
#20.5 The other guy you gave a little description...
#07 Yeah. He is in here somewhere.
#20.5 And, now, you're saying that you're seeing some pictures
in the newspaper.....
#07 No. I haven't seen any pictures. I recently heard
that.. .what was it...I saw something the other night which
said someone had been made to admit that they were CIA
or something... and I thought could this possibly try to be
them... and I tried to find out...uh...I didn't come up
with that.
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#20.5 Let me ask you this. If I showed you some pictures...
a lot of pictures with no names...do you think you
can pick him out?
#07 "I think the white haired man...I think I can pick
out... yeah.... but, before you show me pictures, if
there's a chance you're going to send me after
pictures of someone in the future, through photos of
those people,...uh...it could muddy the waters.
But, if you want me to do that...I will try. Yeah.
I will try it.
#66 Is there anything you want to add to this session
before we stop?
#07 I think viewing wise, it was a very good session.
I'm not sure what can be made with the little bit of
data I came up with...uh...the layout of that room
isn't exactly accurate, but it's fiar*ly close. I
just didn't look at the rooms as they-you know-ration
sizes..what have you. I think they're kind of layed
out the way I've got them, there.
#20.5 Let me ask you a question, ok. If I was going to ask
myself... putting myself in your shoes-that I now have
been in two different buildings-and I wanted to make
sure that #66 or somebody understood that I'd been..
what one thing, in each of those things, that would be
unique, that would tell me that you were in that E or..
#07 Panels..panels in building F..at least on the^right..G/
paneling. Building t..1 tnink..mosz of Lne uiy
was mostly beige, oite..uh..some trip..oh yeah..
and curved knives on the wall. That's the way I'd
identify it.
#20.5 Something that wouldn't be found any place else.
#07 I don't know. That's the thing that I saw. To me
would be unique. If someone blindfolded me, walked me
into a room, those are the things I'd look for to know
where I am.
#20.5 Ok. That's good.
#66 Anything else?
#07 No.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION CC21
1. (S) The remote viewer had been exposed to open source news
media information and extensive overhead imagery prior to the
session. He knew he would be working against the hostage situation
in Iran.
2. (S) At the time of the session the remote viewer was shown
overhead imagery of the U.S. Embassy compound in Teheran, Iran.
The actual overhead imagery is not included herein due to its
classification.
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