INSCOM GRILL FLAME PROGRAM SESSION REPORT

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INSCOM
GRILL FLAME
PROGRAM
SESSION REPORT
CLASSIFIED BY:MSG,DAMI-ISH
DATED: 051630Z3UL78
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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION OCC-87
1. (S/NOFORN) .This report documents a remote viewing session conducted in
compliance with a request for information on personnel working in a building.
2. (S/NOFORN) The remote viewer's impressions of the target are provided
as raw intelligence data, and as such, have not been subjected to any
intermediate analysis, evaluation or collation. Interpretation and use of
the information provided is the responsibility of the requestor.
3. (S/NOFORN) . The protocol used for this session is detailed in the document
Grill Flame Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S/NOFORN) .Following is a transcript of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing session. At TAB A are drawings made by the remote viewer
reference his impressions of the_target site. At TAB B is target cuing
information provided the remote viewer.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-87
#20.5: This will be a remote viewing session for 9 July 1981,
with a start time of 0900.
You wanna give me a nice test there and say "hi"?
#36: Yeah. One, two, three.
#20.5: Okay. Let me-this will be a pre-session briefing, okay,
to the remote viewer. At this time I wanna show you a
picture with a building. That's the target building, and
your task will be to perceive the inside of the building.
I realize that you have worked against this project before
but not-
#36: Not the same building.
#20.5: That's right. Not- and I wanted to stress that- not against
this specific building. Okay?
#36: Mm-hmm.
#20.5: Okay. So when yoUrperception-
#36: Feel like there's more than one here.
#20.5: What's that?
#36: Feel like there's more than one here. Am I supposed to look
at both of 'em?
#20.5: Oh, picture? Yeah, there's two copies, a dark and a light.
I'm sorry. There's a dark copy and a light copy. Okay?
Now when your perception becomes clear I will direct you to
a specific area within the building. And then we'll be asking
you to perceive the building in the time window, normal
working hours at the target location, 9 July. And I don't
know where the target is, so that's why we wanna phrase it
that way. You have any questions aboutyour mission then?
#36: No, I don't think so.
#20.5: Okay. You now have, uh, 30 minutes in which to relax and
then prepare yourself for todays mission.
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#211/5: Okay #36, it's time for us to get rolling. I want you to
focus your attention. now. Relax, relax and focus your
attention on the target. Concentrate and .focus solely and
completely on the building in the photograph I have shown
you. Focus your perception on the target building and describe
the interior to me.
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+02 #36: On the front side, entry?double, double entry..long foyer..
leads straight away from the entry. Empty room on the right
side. Through the...through the door on the right side is
empty... .Straight I had...zig-zag hall on the left back..
Kitchen... Some type of stairway in the foyer, left side...
I don't see anything much in here.
#20.5: Okay.
#36: I don't see much furniture or anything.
+05 #20.5: Okay, you're doing very well. I want you to relax now, and
I want you to go directly, go directly to the and
SG1A describe it to me. Go directly to and locate the
SG1A and describe it to me.
#36: It's not on this floor.
#20.5: Okay
#36: Went up the stairs..turn right, three, four feet, turn right
again, and come back towards the front. Turn left into a
room....
#20.5: Okay. Describe this room to me.
#36: There's steps under the door. Straight ahead seems to be
relatively uncluttered, not much to look at. To the left..
safe somewhere to the left... Big table. Some kinda office
machines..the wall, near the wall that is adjacent to the
hallway.
#20.5: Tw11 me what you sense here.
#36: Mumbling.
#20.5: Tell me whatyou sense that makes you say office machines.
#36: Keyboard. I'm looking up through a forest of stuff like big
fingers coming down towards me, like I'm under the keyboard
looking up at the hands coming at One thing seems a
bit bigger than a?typewriter. It's got a big.....big..CRT
of some kind display. I was tryin' to read some kinda numbers
on the display.
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#36:
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#36:
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#36:
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#36:
That's just on a table, not a desk. To the right of that
in acorner Oh, well, I don't know what to make of
this.
Tell me-
Looks like a safe with, uh, two, uh, two, uh, combinations
or something. Heavy safe with...it could be symbolic but it
seems to have two combinations, two entry mechanisms or some-
thing.
Remember now, focus solely at the target on 9 July 1981
during normal working hours at that location. Focus on the
time.
There's a man about 30..close to 30, sitting at the console.
It's...next to the hall, in the foyer, next to the..where the
CRT is... I don't see anybody else in here.
Okay. At this time I want you to epand your awareness,
expand your awareness and tell me about any people that work
in this that work, that are assigned to this
gm Expand your awareness to study that situation
Appears to be...two, two women I can see that appears to be...
I don't know, under 32..maybe 26, 28, one of 'em. One of 'em
around 30. Real thin..real thin guy...
This thin guy, is he the same man you saw sitting next to
the console?
Nope... I don't see him there now, but I can see that he...
aware that his presence belongs here.
Okay.
Can see him wandering around this space in some time frame.
Seem to be a...quite intellectual type, awkward.
Okay. Now, in your own way #36, in you own way, contact
these people that work here and determine which one of those
would be most likely candidate who we might get to work for
U.S. Intelligence, if there are any. In your own way contact
each one of them and then report to me........
The question confuses me and of course the answer is yes to
all of them.
Co ahead and explain your confusion to me.
Well i-rs relative... It's a...one way or another. They
could each be helpful to the U.S....whether they wanted to
or not.
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#20.5: Tell me what you're feeling that makes you say that.
#36: Oh, they're all vulnerable. Skinny guy might be the easiest.
The youngest gal could be of assistance without even knowing
she had assisted. She's the stubbornest. But not. .would
not betray a confidence intentionally but...very strong
feeling about doin' a thing, doin' a good for mankind. She
could be easily tricked. Guy sitting at the console has
great pride, he would...convey information, telling himself
that he wasn't hurting anybody, that he is not betraying a
+20 trust. Just toshow how smart he is. Skinny guy owes no
allegiance to anyone. He....feels he's above politics...
Anyone can be recruited one way or another.
#20.5: Okay, but ask yourself if you could recruit one of them
which one would it be and how would you go about doing it....
#36: Well, I'd get the most valuable information from the skinny
guy but..the guy at the console's a piece of cake. You make
him feel unimportant, unintelligent....he'll knock himself
out tryin' to prove how intelligent he is. Doing so he'll
talk about the only thing he knows anything about...
#20.5: Are you saying that if you-
#36: That's the rote information's been cramped in his head about
the job here.
#20.5: Okay. Are you saying that your perception tells you that
the guy at the console would be the one that should be
recruited?
#36: No, that's not for me to say. You could, uh, you could ex-
ploit him with the least experienced personnel. It's gonna
take some planning, a great deal of intelligence and under-
standing of people to handle the skinny guy or either one of
the women... He'd be the easiest. But he doesn't seem to
know anything of great importance, other than just. .procedural
type information..
#20.5: Okay. Now I want you to focus solely on each individual one
at a time and give me a description of each individual so
that we will be able to differentiate one from the other,..
#36: Guy at the console somewhere around 30...100 and...50, 60
pounds,:5'10", 1I", medium brown hair. Seems to prefer
checks...clothing with checks. The younger woman..dirty
blond hair..5t6"..fairly attractive, plain, plain dresser,
nothing, not. gaudy OT showy, hair..touches sholders. It's
oftondone up. I keep seeing blue eyes but for some reason
I feel rebellion to .that, but I keep seem.' the blue eyes,
and I'm not comfortable with it. Older woman got the same
eyes.-.heavier...dark hair. Seems much more intelligent than
the younger woman. Doesn't particularly care about her dress
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#36: or appearance. Not interested in being attractive to men.
Dresses almost mannish..to discourage men, so she...she's
at work, she doesn't want anything to distract from that.
The skinny guy is easy. He's dark, Smooth hair, slim, small
boned..sloppy. Unusually large feet, left handed... Almost
reminded me of little Lord Fontleroy grown up. Delicate kind
of guy...
#20.5: How tall is he?
#36: He looks to be about 6 foot, but his slimness could be de-
ceiving, between 5'11" and 6'1".
#20.5: Okay. Anything else you can tell me about these individual!?
#36: Kinda boring type individuals to me. I been tryin' to get a
handle on them outside this building, but I get the distinct
feeling that their personality is considerably differeht
outside. Guy at the console has..a desire to be noticed and
respected. He comes off excessively macho. Anybody indicates
to him they're not buying it he'll go to all lengths to impress
him. That's the way to exploit this individual. But it
should never be hinted to him that he is..doind anything wrong.
This guy always has the feeling that he is. .after the fact
that he said too much, but it doesn't stop him from doing it
again the next time.
#20.5: Okay...
#36: If you could put someone of...someone intellectually equal
to the skinny guy...a great deal of knowledge could be extracted
from him. Intellectual exercise. Chances are he would
never recognize that anyone else would realize he was quoting
from experience. Which would reveal a great deal of infor-
mation about what he is doing.
#20.5: Okay. At this time I have no further questions. Is,Ahere
anything else you would like to report on?
#36: No, except...when I first...oh, okay. When I first stetted
I was aware of...up high somewhere in this building, something
that looked like a parabolic dish about a meter in diameter,
very fine mesh about...about a centimeter across the mesh.
That was when I was wandering around, tryin' to wander
around the rooms.
#20.5: This is somewhere in the building?
#36: Up high somewhere in the building.
#20.5: Okay. Is there anything else you would like to add?
#36: No, I had the distinct feeling electronics before I got off
the first floor. But I was amazed at how furniture was,
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#36: how sparsely furnished the place was. That's about it.
#20.5: Okay. Okay I want you to relax now, return yourself to.
present time here, relax. Move your.legs, arms. Take a
stretch break and then we'll do a couple drawings.
Okay, why don't you go ahead and explain drawing number one.
#36: Okay. Are we on there?
#20.5: We are motoring.
#36: Okay, in drawing one, number one, which is very crude, uh..
I was just moving about in there looking for something that
would appear of interest. I remember noticing there was a
double entry, rather long foyer with stairs to the left that
I think curved to the right at the top.
#20.5: Now you felt you came in through the front of the building?
#36: I thought what, yeah, I thought it was the front. Uh, it
was a rather large entrance so I assumed it was the front.
I didn't look at the whole building to see if anything else
looked more like a front. Uh, I remember moving into the
room to the right of the foyer near the front that looked
rather, rather empty, almost deserted. There was a piece of
furniture sitting in the foyer which, just to the right, past
that door that,I thought looked very, very Old. I wandered
around to the left and recognized that was some kinda large
study or something. And I went Way into the back and over
in I think the left corner somewhere and found the kitchen.
And I couldn't figure out, you know, I knew there was space
in between but I don't know how it fits in.
#20.5: Let malask you this. This area here to the left of the
stairway that you referred to as a large study. Are you
saying that there's a large study down in that area, or that
whole area in a large study?
#36: There's a large study in that area. I remember going in this
large room, and I don't remember seeing windows or even
looking for windows. I just said hey, there's nothing here
of interest.
#20.5: Okay.
#36: Oh yes, I think there's- over in here, just study to the left.
#20.5: I just want to make sure we understand that. Okay.
#36: But I felt I was bouncin' into these places and I wasn't
finding anything so I really didn't pay much attention.
I thought there was a hallway to the right, uh, that supplied
some other rooms down there somewhere and I didn't go down
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#36: it, I just was aware that it was there.
Uh, we started looking for the I went upstairs,
turned right and right again and came back and went into the
door, last door on the left. Oh, it was a rather large room.
By the way, I didn't go into the other rooms upstairs. Oh,
I went in there and I thought there was a screen. Around the
other side of the screen was a table or desk or something,
one of which-had some office machines on it. The oihly one
I really focused on was the one I've drawn here. It was
a, some kind of keyboard that seemed to impact on a cathode
ray tube of some type, like a TV set, that was sitting to the
left and kinda behind it. Oh, .1 didn't get much detail on it.
There were other pieces of equipment sitting around. I didn't
get to examine them for some reason. There was other furniture
in the room. At this time there was only one, or at the work-
ing time for this date there was only one person in there.
And that: was the guy that was the. one. think-the guy that
preferred checks, brown hair, about 30. And as far as des-
cription of the room that was about it. Except I thought
there was a awful lot of space that wasn't being used. Very
strong feeling throughout the whole building.
#20.5: I think you mentioned earlier that, uh, the whole building
was void of furniture.
#36: There's a piece here and there, it just looked it, you know,
some pieces might've been left, or someone put some Stuff,
a few pieces back in there that wasn't very impressive. It
didn't look like it, uh, belonged with that type of building.
I would expect period stuff that was rather elegant. But
I didWt see that. I really expected to walk in there and
see beautiful carpets and brocades and things. I didn't see
that.
Oh, while I was wandering around from room to room I became
mare of a dish shape antenna, parabolic, about a meter in
diameter. The mesh of the bowl shape was about a centimeter
across which should tell something about frequency. Oh, that
was about it as far as the building itself was concerned.
#20.5: Okay. Referring back to drawing one, when you came in did
you sense any people?
#36: No, I- now I think of it I wasn't alare that I didn't see
people. I was looking at the room and people could have
been--there and I wouldn't have seen 'em, uhl unless it was-
it dust had nothing to de with what I was doing. I was looking
at space and I am seeing space.. I was totally unaware of
any people. Strange now that you mention it.
#20.5: Well no, sometimes-
#36: I woulda thought I'd of stumbled over 'em, but I apparently
wouldn't have just looking, looking at-
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#20.5: Well sometimes_since we don't address the question it's not
responded to even though if someonesays_oh yeah, there was
someone there, but you didn't ask me about him so I didn't
tell ye. So I just wanted to check.
#36: It- I was overwhelmed with the feeling of almost desertion
in the building.
#20.5: Do you know where this antenna was located, this dish?
#36: It was, uh, up somewhere high and to the far right, I thought.
I remember startin' to wonder what the hell's it doing inside.
#20.5: Okay, inside the building.
#36: Inside the building and I thought wait a minutel you're
analyzing, back off. And .1 lost it. And it WEE another
type of electronic antenna or something somewhere and I felt
uneasy about analysis, and when I told I just looked at the
space, you know, wander around the room. Describe the inside
of the room. And I backed off of that, I never did get back
to it. But the dish antenna was startin' to be very, very
crisp and very sharp, till I backed off of it.
#20.5: Okay.
#36: Uh, I felt absolutely no hostility towards these people.
This bothered me a little, because I had a very strong feeling
they could be..they could be our people, they could be allies.
And this kinda.disturbed me. Uh, I went on, I went ahead and
worked it anyway. Really disturbed me and I thought that
feeling might have colored my response because I think primarily
my response throughout was not that any of these people were
looking to betray whomever put trust in them, but being
human they were .vulnerable. And I had the distinct feeling
that anyone in a position like that is vulnerable and can be
exploited, even though in some cases the individual might not
know it themselves. I felt the 30 year old guy was very vul-
nerable because of his...kind of inferiority feeling. He
would mouth alot just to..
#20.5: We shoulda got most of it.
#36: Yeah, I don't know what I was saying anyway.
#20.5: You were talking about the vulnerabilities of this one guy.
#36: Oh yeah, yeah. Na, I didn't feel that he would intentionally..
I think he would forever that he had done anything wrong.
Though...later along he would feel that maybe he had opened
his mouth too much, but then he'd convince himself it hadn't
done any harm.
#20.5: Okay, well how'd you feel about this session?
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#36: I guess it was a pretty good session. There.'s parts of
it that I..something.happened I don't remember, which
indicated I was kinda deep. I know I would stop to realize
I wasn't reporting, that I was wandering around somewhere,
and then I'd say, oh yeah,. I gotta do this. And I would
report. And when I do that it's normally a pretty good session.
#20.5: Okay. Very good. Well I have no other questions. Thank you.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION DCC-87
1. (S/NOFORN) Information provided the viewer prior to the session is
documented as a pre-session briefing and is included in the transcript.
Attached is the building photograph shown to the viewer.
2. (S/NOFORN) During the session, the viewer was asked to go directly to
He was asked to report on people
who worked and to determine if any of them could be recruited
by USI.
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