INSCOM, GRILL FLAME PROJECT SESSION REPORT, REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION C-79

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SESSION REPORT
CLASSIFIED BY: Director, DIA
REvev ON: 1 Nov 99
EXTENDED BY: Director, DIA
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION C 79
#66 This will be a remote viewing session (edited for
security).
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The area of interest today is designated by the
geographic coordinants:
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We are interested in the large building that you
know well in that area. I want you now to focus
your attention on the picture that you have in
front of you. That you drew previously. Let your
consciousness move now to 1 January 1980, where
you got this picture. Focus your attention on that
same area 1 January 1980. In which you were able
to perceive what you've drawn in this picture.
Relax and concentrate. Focus your attention.
Focus, Focus and describe the target to me.
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#1 A lot of submarines...
#66 Go on.
#1 About 4 submarines...a bay (mumbling)
#66 Tell me about these submarines.
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#1 They're working on one of them.
#66 Tell me about the submarine they're working on.
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#1 They're working on some tubes.
#66 Tell me about this work.
+05 #1 They're hanging tubes over the submarine. They're
putting the tubes in the submarine.
#66 How is this accomplished?
#1 They're...uh...they're on the tubes and the...uh...
into a work area inside the submarine. Looks like
a room. Some kind of a room. They're stacking them
together. They're putting them on their ends. There are
holes in the floor. They go through a section of floor
in the submarine. It doesn't make sense. They got
holes in the floors and the tube slides through the
holes...go through the floor...and the
#66 Tell me about, where you are, where you're perceiving
this. What's your position now?
#1 I'm inside the submarine.
#66 Very good. Tell me more about the tubes.
#1 (Mumbling)...they got these tube shapes and they're
coming through the ceiling and they go on through holes
in the floor.
#66 Walk down by the holes in the floor and tell me about
them.
#1 They are...uh...they are built to be there, and...uh
...these tubes are like a...some kind of a...open
things. They're pipe open...open pipe tubes. They
+08 look like big stove pipes...and there's a...looks
like a large piece on the top end that isn't there.
There's a connector piece on the top and there's
something that's not there....like a piece is missing
on the top. There's all new ...all new floor.
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#66 Is this the floor that you're standing on?
41 Yes. Somehow...
#66 Move along the tubes. Tell me about the work that's
happening. What stage is the work in now?
#1 They're all new...they're...uh...I can't tell.
They're...uh...I've seen these tubes finished.
What they're putting them in...I can't make sense
out of it..
+10 #66 Why doesn't it make sense to you?
#1 'Cause I'm seeing the tubes one minute and I'm not
seeing the tubes. They're going through the top.
They're being lowered...but when you walk passed them
they're there...they're all there.
#66 OK. You will have to fix your attention on one moment
in time. You have to fix your attention on one moment
in time.
#1 OK.
#66 How far along are they? How long before they will be
throughwiht this that they are doing?
#1 Long time. They're working very carefully.
#66 It's 1121.7..14.2allazy..12.9.2,. You say it will take them
a long time.
#1 kybe 4 months. Over 100 read days.
#66 On the work right now or on the total modification?
#1 They're...uh...(mumbling)
#66 How much of this work has been done from the 100 days
it takes them to do this work? How much has been
done on this one submarine that they're working on.
#1 Uh...they...theyVe done almost all of the work.
100 days it takes.
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#1 I don't know. This is an older sub. Older
submarine. It takes longer with a...with a...
it's a different submarine.
#66 Where is your perspective now?
#1 I'm seeing work done on submarines. I'm seeing
a bunch of submarines. Different submarines.
#66 Focus your attention now, back on the submarine that
we were examining. Fix your attention back on that
one submarine.
#1 OK.
#66 What's your position of observation.
+13 #1 I am looking down. Looking on a deck.
I am upside down looking on a deck.
#66 Tell me more so that I can understand where you are.
#1 I am looking at the tubes, where they go in the deck.
They go all the way into the deck and the...the..uh..
top pieces, such things are missing. There's top
sections, and they are missing.
#66 How far down do the tubes go?
#1 All the way to the bottom of the submarine.
#66 Move inside the tube and describe its dimensions.
#1 As far as you could reach. Four feet wide...
#66 If you float sideways in the tube, can you fit your
whole body sideways in the tube?
#1 No.
#66 Alright. Can you reach it with your finger tips?
+15 #1 Yes. I get the sensation that it's a liner ...a
metal liner. I am looking through this metal liner
in the bottom and I am seeing a pin rack suspension
thing...like thing. It's a...it's a...some kind of
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a...it's like some kind of outlets or something.
Bottom side of the tubes. They don't make any
sense.
#66 Where are you now?
#1 I'm looking up the tube from the bottom. They're
very, very tall....(mumbling)...I'm very far down
in the tube.
#66 I want you to concentrate now, and try to be very
accurate. You told me previously, in another session,
that these were not vertical but that they were slanted
slightly. I'd like to know, if you'd like to describe
that again. Tell me what your feeling is now about
these tubes?
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#1 Feel they're slanted in the V14..in the water they.11.2
not slanted. They're vertical to the earth but slanted
on the 417. I don't understand that. They're...
they're installed slanted but they're vertical.
#66 For what purpose is this slant?
+19 #1 They're longer. The tube is longer. Something about
the end of the tube.
#66 Which end of the tube?
#1 Top end of the tube. They have to be longer to clear
the top end of the tube. Something like that.
#66 Now we are going to move into another area of perspective
and I'd like to give you the opportunity to say anything
at this time about this particular submarine, at this
location, at this time, 1 January 1980. We will then
move to another area, but at this time I'd like you to
...to look at this. Is there anything you would like
to add?
#1 It's an old submarine.
#66 What makes you say it's an old submarine?
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#1 Something I sense.
#66 Tell me about this sense.
#1
I have a sense of age with this submarine. A sense
that it is being a...being made well or it is being
made better, or something. It is having its utility
extended. I don't know why I said it that way, but
that is very close to why. Its utility is being
extended. Something very important about that phrase.
It is a very accurate phrase. It is just an older
submarine.
#66 What is the principal event of today, 1 January 1980?
#1 Uh...there is a...they are doing more work in the
building. It is being done in the bays. That is a
lot of detail work. Finished work.
+23 #66 What makes you say finished work?
41 I don't know. Like a difficult...difficult work is
over. Heavy mill work is finished. It is quieter
work.
#66 OK. Now I would like to change your perspective....
#1 I am seeing something new and I don't understand what
it is, wait. It is a...appears to be some kind of a
...some kind of a vent. Let's go on.
#66 What was this that you saw?
#1 Some kind of a vent. I was trying to find it alright.
Don't know where it was. It was a vent. A strange
looking vent. Like the top of the sail has a vent.
#66 The top of the sail has a vent.
#1 A recessed vent, or a hole of some kind. I can't
...some kind of recessed or hole.
#66 OK. Is there anything else about the sail that you
would like to tell me at this time?
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#1
You can only walk around the side of the sail. You
can't walk around the front or the top but you can
walk around the side...in the rear of the sail.
+26 #66 OK. Anything else?
#1 There's a ladder on the back of the sail, and
there's a...there's a stand up door on the sail.
That's all. That's all I can see.
#66 Alright. Is there anything you would like to add?
#1 No. No. I felt very bad when I was on the very
bottom of the tubes.
#66 Describe your bad feeling.
#1 Intense excitement. I wanted to get out of the bottom
of the tubes. They had very strong sensation of high
pressure.
#66 OK. What's your perspective, right now?
#1 It's side of the submarine.
#66 OK. I have one other question now before we move.
Disregarding data that you've told us before and
concentrating only on this submarine, right where
you are right now, 1 January 1980, I am interested
in knowing how man ,tubes there are.
#1 Eighteen tubes. Eighteen tubes. See eighteen tubes.
#66 Are they all in place at the present time?
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#1 - , They are, yes. I'm not sure what time I'm seeing the
submarine. They're all in place. When I count them
+30 they are all there. Smooth, smooth holes. I don't
understand it but they are smooth holes.
#66 Alright. Remember now so that you can draw. I would
like to move now. I would like to move now to an
alternate perspective. When you are ready to move,
let me know.
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#1 OK.
#66 Alright. I want you to move now up in the air
approximately 100 feet in the air, now 200 feet
in the air, now 300 feet in the air, now 400 feet
up and now 500 feet up.
#1 OK.
#66 Now describe what you see, 1 January 1980.
#1
I see a...I see a large building. I see a intur494.1.44i1+
on the right. Large building attached to it on the
right side. I see awharf4aLEA:144- on the left side.
There's no ships on the wharf at all. It's empty.
#66 Alright. And what is directly below you?
#1 Oh, below me is a like a parking maze, a shed type
roof, but it's all inclosed. Looks new.
#66 Alright. Now, we're going to take a different
perspective. I want you to hold your position,
hold your position at 500 feet above this area.
I perceive you to be at the west end of the large
cement building, 500 feet in the air. Do you
confirm that?
#1 I don't know which way is the west.
#66 Alright.
#1 I'm in...over the large building at the end by
the water.
#66 Alright. Fine. Holding your position now, holding
firm, I want you to close your eyes now and everything
goes blank, holding your position still over the building,
and everything is blank, you see nothing at all. Now
listen very carefully as I talk. Listen very carefully
now. Right now it is 1985. Right now it is 1985.
We are going to take a look back in time in history to
the summer of 1980. Right now it is 1985
and we are going to look back in time at something that
took place in history.. .the summer of 1980. When I
? +35 tell you to open your eyes you will look down and see
the events of the summer of 1980. Something that has
already taken place. Looking backwards in time from
1985 to the summer of 1980., Open your eyes and describe
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There's a lagg...a.1Q A very large
ship. It's got a hollow area in it. And, ,there's
a big...like a...a...a very large submarine. It's
there by the big ship, and there's all kinds of
hoses going to it, or electric lines going to it.
Some kind of lines. There's a...there's a lot of
activity on that outside of the building. I don't
see anything other than that.
#66 Alright. Tell me more about this activity in the
wharf area.
41 They're workin9 on the submarines.
#66 And where is the submarine?
#1 Between the wharf and the large ship.
#66 Between the wharf and the large ship.
#1 Yes.
#66 Describe the large ship.
#1 It's very large. It's got a hole in it.
466 Where is the hole?
#1 In the back. It's a...like...got twin tails on it.
Twin rear...rear. decks, and it's got a cover over it
on the back...and it's got blooms on the back. Look
like small crat4s. And, there's a...not too much
activity on the big ship. Some kind of a working
ship but there is a...a lot of activity on the
submarine.
#66 Tell me about the submarine.
#1
It's all.. .all of it's hatches are open and there
are people working there, doWings in them.
I get this sensation, that's being stracked
up for something. Like getting it ready for
inspection. Very large submarine there. It's brand
new. Appears-Tne brand new.
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#66 Alright.
#1 I am getting a very sntion
Very strong. Sensation of a...no...no odor.
#66 OK. In comparing your feelings here in the
summer of 1980 with your feelings of the submarine
in January 1980 one of them was al.older submarine
changed and this submarine is new;
#1 This one_thels like it is new. I sense the difference
is no odor. I don't know why I would say that. yo 44,0.
It's...it's as if odor has some importance. I don't
know what makes me say that it's got no odor.
#66 Standing on the deck of this submarine, describe it
to me.
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+40 #1 It's very large and it' h_widpr than the older
That's all I'ltWg . It's got a different
kind of.,. .feels like a different kind of plating. .7 tlilia4 14 0
machined better. And that's
different too, it's machineddifferent. And decks'
flatter. A flatter deck.
#66 Standing on the c ing tower looking forward and
looking down at the deck, describe it to me.
#1 There's a...I see two small hatches. I see one 20 feet
out from the sail and I see one at the very tip. There's
a very large, very large hatch and it's in two pieces.
It opens in half.
#66 OK. Now stand on the cZAing tower and(look to the
rear deck) and describe it to me.
#1 Wide, and it's flat, There's a large rectangular
shape (mumbling) and there's, there's smooth holes.
"rre-rrs smooth holes there.
#66 How many smooth holes?
+44 #1 Uh...they're very hard to count. More than 20.
May be 2 7
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Count them as you walk by.
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41 May be 22. lhey're hard to see, and even feel.
Tr7777smooth. The holes are very smooth.
#66 OK. It's now time to draw your perspectives. I have
no further questions. I would like to give you
just a moment to add anything you would like to add
about your vision here in summer of 1980, and then
prepare to draw.
#1
#1
There's more water. The harbor has got more water.
It's different. The place has got more equipment
outside. More boxes stacked. It's very crowded.
It's very crowded.
(Turned tape over)
(not audible) and they're anchored in the harbor.
I get the impression they are kind of narrower
than normal and they are very...I get the feeling
of sleek and hard for some reason. They both
look alike and they are anchored together in the
harbor. They're undergoing...uh...just normal
refurbishing type work. They're like a...some
kindeof specialized civilian type ship, I think.
Not trawlers, you know, but they look like big
freighters but they're longer and sleeker. They're
getting some kind of upgrade or something.
466 OK. Bringing you back now from your historical
perspective back to 1985 and then back again
here to 1979, I want you to bring back with you
those concepts and those images that you have.
When you're ready sit up and draw.
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#1 I am just wondering how I'm going to draw a
locomotive
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#66 I think you would write it down in words. It's a
Nov very interesting concept.
#1 I don't know why I said that. For some reason, it
appears to be a very strong feeling. It appears to
be a very important feeling.
Tube type things appeared to be fastened to some
kind of a floor. But they go ...further. It's
like they're stuck to the floor. They go on down
here and there is some kind of gimbel type thing
they're sitting in...on. There's a...at the end
of this tube some kind of an outlet, an inlet or
something. I don't know how to describe it.
There's also some kind of a...like intersecting
pin work in there that's a...I don't know how to
explain it. There are things in here, where I'm
drawing the arrow. There are things in here that
look like a...you know...like these pins coming
together, like there is something else goin4
between these pins. It's not there yet, you know.
It's something that connects between these pins.
There's two, three, four, five sets of these in here.
I don't know what they are. Then there are these
things here. I don't know.
Then openings looking through the side, there's just
like a...tear drop shape and a...you know...just like
looking at the side of the tube.
#66 OK. If you were standing on the inside looking out.
#1
Yes. Like if you're on the inside looking out.
I don't know what these are. They go all the way through
the floor and they're in sets of two, and they're
standing almost side-by-side but not quite. What
I was saying before about the canting like (mumbling)
#66 Can I ask you to put your page numbers down in the
lower right instead of the upper right.
#1 OK. I'm on page 2. Want me to erase that other one.
#66 No. It is just that when I put it in a binder later
it gets covered up.
#1 Oh. I see.
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Page 2, I explained to you. I was talking about
when I look at the deck, I would have drawn the
deck horizontal. Like this. And I look at the
tubes. Th2X.:42...a4Atiug. This angle appears to
be sometnhg less than 90 degrees. Like 80 degrees.
But, then sitting inthe water the deck is angled
just a little bit as compared to the water and
the tubes appear to be straight up and down. It's
like they're canted, so to speak in order for them
to be verticle while it's in the water.
#66 When you were looking at the tube3and perceived
them cant0 was the submarine in or out of the water.
#1 I don't know. I don't if it was or not.
#66 Alright.
#1 Inside the submarine is clearly cantd. Where it
goes through the ceiling isciearly canti'd. I get
t e impression, standing on the first floor the tubes
go through the floor. That cant is much less noticeable
It's almost as if the floor was put in.. .cant as well.
I'm not sure I understand why, but I get that impression.
#66 Alright.
#1
And...a...on page 3 looking, if you were to look down
on the top of the sail the center portion on the top
of the sail is an oval like this. Right up here on
top there is a...I was getting a very clear impression
of a this kind of a vent opening or hole. While this
was recessed, here, this portion was very recessed.
Much darker area.
#66 Draw a couple arrows there recess and where we
might look at the drawings later and be able to tell.
#1 OK. I will finish drawing this then. I had a very
hard time seeing where the step was. I had a very
sharp impression of this, that. I don't know why I
called that, but I'm not going to change so therd s
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It was very very hard to find the vent where it
was. I knew it was the angle it had to be viewed
from. Overall picture...this is quite large,
incidentally. Looking down from the top I got the
impression that this is out of here like this.
Walk around area here. There's a...the dark heavy
line on the side is a hatchway and this is a deck,
slant lines are a deck that you can walk around on.
Down this back side of the deck is a ladder, goes
down to the main deck. I get that impression.
#66 Draw me some arrows and names.
#1 OK. Ladder, That's a stand up hatch. Then the tubes
are this way.
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#1 Page 4. There's a qua/e-, and this comes back and
there's a building here.
#66 OK. This was when I asked you to look at the summer
of 1980.
#1 Yes. That extensive building is here. And over here
in the qua& is a very large ship with a hole in the
back. There's a very large ship out here. Along
here is a very large submarine.
#66 Even bigger than the ship?
#1 It's bigger than the ship but not much bigger.
On the back of this ship are brooms where I can put
these star type ships. This was open. There is a
very large super structure here. Very high bow,
definitely an open ocean type vessel. This whole
mess is roped together on the qua-. What appears
to be some kind of lines or hoses or something
running in off this submarine. The only reason
why I said it was new, is that I got the sense
of lack of odor. It's very important to me for some
reason. I don't know why. This is the bay out here.
The last thing, page 5 out on this bay there is a
building here. Out on the bay are two very large
ships and they're like anchored side-by-side. They
got the big super structure and all...
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And what's unique about them...dotted line up here
on the left...is they appear to have a...sort of a
well funny looking type bow. One would almost get
the impression they were some kind of whaling ship
but they are not whaling. They're not a fishing
vessel at all. The bow is really funny. They're
two of these and they are identical. They are side-
by-side. I don't know what they are. They struck
me as being quasi-military. By that I mean that they
probably have a military function but that they're
more like civilian type
That's it. Something missing on the top of the tubes
but I couldn't see it.
#66 In January 1980 you said there was something missing
on the top of the tube.
#1 Yes. That what I kept trying to see but in the other
one all there was smooth hole. Like you could rub your
hand across the top and you could just perceive an opening.
Not an indentation or anything. You just perceived the
outline a little. May be a well sealed hatch. Or a
disposable hatch. That would be interesting.
#66 Anything else you would like to add?
#1 No.
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