INSCOM, GRILL FLAME, PROJECT SESSION REPORT, REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSIONS C-65 AND C-66

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SESSION REPORT
CLASSIFIED BY: Director, DIA
REVIEW ON: 31 Oct 99
EXTENDED BY: Director, DIA
REASON: 2-301-C (3) (6)
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SUMMARY ANALYSIS
REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSIONS C 65 AND C 66
1. (S) This report provides documentation of two remote viewing
sessions conducted in compliance with a request from OACSI, DA. This
office was requested to provide information concerning what was
2. (S) The viewer was unable to obtain his usual state of relaxed
concentration during session C65 due to ambient room noise. During
session C66, however, his concentration was improved as the ambient
room noise decreased. The viewer expressed his confidence in his
images. He was concerned, however, about fantasizing, as opposed to
remote viewing, the target because of his knowledge of the target.
3. (S) The protocol used for these sessions is detailed in the
document, GRILL FLAME Protocol, AMSAA Applied Remote Viewing
Protocol (S), undated.
4. (S) Following are transcripts of the viewer's impressions during
the remote viewing sessions. At TAB A are drawings made by the viewer
reference his impressions of the target site. At TAB B are analytical
comments. The NBRG is on file in TAB C of Session Report C54 and C55.
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION C 65
#28 This will be a remote viewing session (edited for
security).
SG1A
#10.5
PAUSE
It's time now to take a look at the area designated
by the geographic coordinance.
This is an area that you know well. We are
interested at this time in the interior of a
large building in that area. Relax, concentrate
and describe the target to me.
PAUSE
PAUSE
#10.5 (Mumbling)
#10.5 0,641-Outside, I think.
PAUSE
#28
OK.
#10.5 It seems to have a...a long box...sticking out of
the bottom right corner of it. And it seems to be
connecting to another structure.
PAUSE
#28 Tell me about your position of observation.
#10.5 I think I'm up above and outside.. .of the, I think I
am.,. .the feeling I have is that I am looking at a big
rectangular rock that has a much skinnier and a little
smaller rectangular box from the top of it.
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PAUSE
#10.5 The box...the box I said that came out of the corner
I would say has tracks of some kind on the top of it.
That's funny, it's on the top of it.
#28 OK.
#10.5 Sigh...
PAUSE
PAUSE
#10.5 I feel now that I am...uh...standing on some sort of a
I think I'm on the other side now...(mumbling)...
standing on an elevated dock that stretches the length
of this structure and along where the dock or platform
...uh...uh...like comes up to the wall...I have a feeling
of a number of recessed loading doors or something...
big rectangles that are slightly recessed. I have a
feeling that they roll up.
PAUSE
#28 Alright. Describe this structure. What's it made of?
PAUSE
#10.5 Urn.. .It's a dull..um...like a dull brown or a dark
tan, that I feel it's made of stone blocks. That's
bigger than bricks.
PAUSE
+10 #28 What activity is going on in the area where you are?
#10.5 I think I am still outside...I don't see any.
#28 OK. Now, once again describe to me your position of
observation.
#10.5 I feel like I am on the...(pause)...like I'm on the
north side on this platform. Seems to be a raised
elevated area.
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#28 Move now to the west end. Move now to the west end
and describe it to me.
PAUSE
#10.5 Uh...that end I have the feeling that the dock end
is before the end of the building came. Uh...I see
a ...uh...now I am standing on the corner I can see
uh..a horizontal line around the bottom of the structure
?like separating two different textures of materials
and makes the corner. .goes off right at the end I've got
uh? ? ?
#28 Move away from the building slightly and look back at it.
Now describe what you see.
#10.5 Uh..it seems to be a network of frame-metal frame or
something. It's seems to me it's centered at the end
of the building outside. Seems to be something in it
..I want to say that it is a light or white in color
and it seems to be a verticle structure like in a cage
or in a wire frame...metal frame. .and it seems sort
of roundish--but I don't know.
#28 Just relax and concentrate for a minute.
Now describe your position of observation.
#10.5 Slightly north of the west end away from the corner-
out from the corner looking at the thing down on the
end.
#28 Alright. Move around now so that you are directly
opposite the west end. So that you are west of this
rather than being off in the corner and you are directly
west of this. Move around slowly now and turn back--
look at the square on-straight in front of you-the west
end of the building and describe it to me.
PAUSE
+15 '#28 And what is your perception?
PAUSE
10.5 To right of center a little dark rectangle-it doesn't
seem to have a door or a cover--it seems that it is
just an open end of a hallway that enters the building
..or penetrates it. Just like the mouth of a tunnel
with nothing on it. Uh...I still say there is a jungle
of conglomerate of all sorts of pipes and..seems like
steam pipes all sorts of stuff on that end..it seems
now to be disconnected from the side of the structure.
By maybe 20 or 30 feet..uh..I have a feeling of a row
of windows about half-way up a row of squares.
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#28 OK. Tell me once again about your position of
observation.
#10.5 Uh..it's a little bit down the south end of the
west wall sort of standing in front of the but
out from. .this rectangle there.
#28 Alright. Describe the ground surface to me.
Look straight down and describe the ground surface.
#10.5 Asphalt. The whole place is ...uh...at least it's
strip..at least out surrounding. It's hard of some
kind. It's not natural. Uh..
#28 OK. I want you to take an alternate perspective
now to look at this. I want you to move away
from the west end at about 45 degree angle, up
in the air, about 500 feet. A 45 degree angle-
away from the west end up about 500 feet and
looking down at the area and describe the area to
me.
#10.5 Uh...
PAUSE
+20 #10.5 Uh..side the area. It's a straight line--seems
to be a straight (mumble) assorted ..uh..assorted
structures all around but I don't think anything
across on the south side is as big as this place.
There is a curb..it's a curb. I wanted to say that
before when you had me look down. There's a curb
there.right on that corner is somewhat of an open area.
Then if I was in the open area and I looked to my
left there appears to be this steam ..metal frame
work thing that separated from that end of the structure
And then there appears to be a..three dark going
further west in what would be the same latitude-
there appears to be three dark things ==tubes--two in
one--sort of at an L angle.
#28 Now move back down. Move back down to the structure
area and move inside the structure area. Move down
inside the structure area.
#10.5 And now I am on the street side. I have a feeling of
some sort of an entrance.
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#28 Go through the entrance.
PAUSE
+25 #10.5 Double doors reception on the right it seems the
guard...it's an open..it's an open observation place.
Like an office with a counter, on the right wall
of the hall. It is a hall.
#28 Move down the hall.
#10.5 The left wall seems blank the right wall seems blank
..the left wall has a..uh..got a ..some stairs here..
or something. A small set
#28 Move up the stairs.
#10.5 Small set of stairs
#28 Move up the stairs
#10.5 At the top...there's a hall to the left...and there's
a hall (pause) to the right...I don't feel that these
halls go all the way. They make like a cross..that
"T" on this level ..and stops. I'll try the left.
This is some...this is some 40 feet in or better to
this intersection. Let me focus abit.
PAUSE
#10.5 Alright. Down left hall...left hall goes 25-30 feet.
Seems to me on the right, as I go down that hall, there's
a down staircase. The hall though...I have the feeling
that it opens..it just opens out into a big bay area.
#28 Describe this bay area.
#10.5 It's up on a. .seems to be up on the level where I was
outside of the windows. It is..I see a strip of windows
around the..at the end of the hall I must step down
again right down to like ground level. Like I've walked
up a level or walked down and then I have to go back
down a level...where the hall opens up. Uh...uh...
around the far side..I see on the far side a boxes
and things stacked high to just under the ceiling. .or
just under the windows--the square lights are on the side.
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And what's hanging stuff from the ceiling...the
lights hanging three and four poster lights hanging
a long ways from the ceiling..it seems. Hoses and
metal work .. rods and tubes..hoses hanging from
the ceiling as in as in..as in..uh..0K..of..I just
had a feeling of pushcarts and sheet metal, work
benches, high noise.
#28 Describe the size of this bay area
#10.5 The bay is maybe..uh..150..uh..125 feet 150 feet by
maybe..uh..70 feet wide. I think where I am looking
at is the interior of the southwest corner. Because
I've done a 180 from where I started.
#28
OK.
#10.5 Uh..It appears that there are large sheets of sheet
metal out..uh..large sheets of sheet metal. No..
not large sheets of sheet metal..maybe there..it's not
one big thing. .now up at the roof looking and I have
the feeling that this bay is ..there are long. .tables
that go the length wise in this bay and that there
are about three or four lines of these tables and
there are men working at position3on these tables
which appear to be no more than just wooden waist-
high, five foot deep flat areas to work on but each
line is connected so it is one large line of tables
end to end.
#28 What is down at these tables?
#10.5 Uh...I see hands with air guns and drills..I see
hands with sheet metal rivets, I see hands with
funny black rubber hose with metal fittings on the
ends--angular metal fittings. And, it's not
mechanics. There's no grease..no oil. It's
assembly. .putting together things.
#28 OK. Follow the object assembled when it reaches the
end of the line.
PAUSE
#10.5 I have a..it's a funny looking object. I don't feel
it's excessively large. It's teardrop shape. Seems
to be tear-drop shape with a plain through it. A
plain through it...and it appears one end is open.
The up end is the thing.
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#10.5 The forward end of the thing. Like a nozzle.
#28 And what happens to it now?
PAUSE
#10.5 Uh..I see it being guided through the water.
#28 Where is this water?
#10.5 I don't know....seeing it being drive through the
water in the ocean.
#28 OK. Come back to the building now. .come back
to the object what they are working on. Come
back inside. I want to move to another area
inside the building so I want you to concentrate
on how this piece of object gets transported to
another area in the building and follow it along.
that area.
PAUSE
#10.5 Uh..I see a guy wheeling..uh..it's not an elevator
it's like a dumb waiter--it's not for people. It's
in the west corner of the room...northwest corner of
the room. He places it on a dumb waiter rack..all
I can see..all I can do is..uh..(PAUSE) is uh...
I don't know if it is the final finished product or
just what these guys are doing . Their finished
product..their part of it. It seems to me that that's
how they move it..it seems to me they move it up a
dumb waiter type thing. It seems to me it is going up.
#28 How do these men get into this room?
#10.5 The men.
#28 How did they get into the room..into this bay?
#10.5 They've been coming into it the way I did.
#28 Are there any other entrances or exits to this bay
area than the stairway that you came down?
#10.5 Uh..dumb waiter..uh..uh..maybe a door in the..uh..
southeast corner of the room. I can't I feel the
double doors but no windows or anything. .just an
industrial double door.
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+25 #28 Go through the door and describe the other side.
#10.5 Uh..I think I'm just out in the hallway again.
a long skinny place..but I wanted to say that it
was..uh..sort of a..a dispatch point or a reception
point because I felt there was a. .when I went through
the doors there was a..a feeling someone did business
you know..log type business..checking off things one in
and one out. When I first got in that long hall..long
room feeling I wanted to say it..there was a overhead
what do you call it?like a overhead rack..a moving
rack that stretched off down this hall with?like
with pullies on it..carry heavy things.
#28
#10.5
#10.5
OK. You follow it down and tell me where it goes.
PAUSE
Goes a long way. I can't tell if there are any
other stops along it..but I have a feeling I am
just at the north end of the building in a large
storage bay..or with a large open break along the
side of the hall or whatever this is..so that..
and a ramp leading up to it so that .. parts(mumbling)
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#28 How large was this area that you were in before?
How large is it in proportion to the whole building?
#10.5 I didn't feel that it was large at all compared to
the building.
PAUSE
#10.5 Uh..I thought that I was just looking at one corner.
..one interior corner. Right down the end of the
pulley..I feel like I am on the north side of the
building and this is another large bay area but it's
just (mumble) raw materials come and I got a big
loading door.
#28 OK. Why not try to focus your attention in one
specific area now. Imagine in your mind a
placed from corner to corner of the building so that
the intersection of the "X" is in the center of the
entire building. Should position yourself in the exact
center of this building and describe the surrounding
area.
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#10.5 A basement maybe.
#28 What is it that makes you say that?
#10.5 I imagine that the "X" was 3 dimensional and where
it crossed was of course a long point from roof to
bottom and I sort of like zoomed down and I got this
big feeling of..uh..a big curve thing like a boiler..
feeling. It is round and it was curved and it was
very large and it was dark. I had the feeling it was
black.
#28 Move up to the ceilings and look down at the area.
Call your "X" across the ceiling so you can look down
#10.5
of the building...?
#28 Yes.
PAUSE
#10.5 Mumbling, get my ...show back OK under I..uh..
first thing I see is a like a (mumbling).... .......
....couple desks, that's it.
#28 OK. Are you in the exact center of the building?
#10.5 Yeah. I ..check again (mumbling) try again
Big..uh..ah..now I don't know..I don't. Now I get
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the feeling I am in a big huge opene/ee eventhough I
just poped through the roof.
#28
#10.5
Describe it to me?
Felt like I was..looking down from the roof of this
big hanger or something.
#28 Go ahead and describe to me what you see when you
walked in.
#10.5 It's a long black thing..got an awful one..must be..
uh..must be a. .hanger must be 50-60 feet deep. I don't
understand this thing at all. When I...through
my impression was a big triangle with vains sticking
out of it and I..uh..that was the first thing I saw and
after that I realized where I was. but that was the very
same I saw. It was a big black shape in sort of kati-
corner of this place?like it doesn't fit all the way
across it so it just layed there at an angle across it.
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#10.5 I don't know. (sigh)
#28 Are you ready to draw now?
#10.5 Yeah. (sigh)
PAUSE
#10.5 I don't remember half of it. (laugh) Long since
forgotten it. Do you want to do the whole thing?
PAUSE
#10.5 This is what I was trying to describe.
#28 What's this your sketching?
#10.5 This is the first thing I was trying that's
actually bigger. The first thing..when I was outside
the building..0K..(pause) this is that thing I was
trying to talk about. It's actually not in proportion
though. I think it's a little bit ..it's like that.
OK. That's what I was trying to (sigh) OK..
Out here..(pause)..(mumbling)..Well, I don't know what
you want. Let's see..go through the whole darn thing.
This would be presumably..yes..that's north and that's
southeast. This is east end. OK.. This is what I
got here..0K..that and that but now here..(pause)..
that's where the metal stuff is..now over here so..
way farther down..(pause)..0K..that's where. .when you
told me to back off..that's what I got..I've sorted
added some things. I mean the doors those..those
where they ended up to be..but actually that..without
the doors that's what I was seeing. What I think I did
here was I started here and then went around to here.
OK..and then I went around to here..all the way in..
OK..These things over here on the left I think are smoke
stacks or something. They look like smoke stacks.
Uh..What I saw..I have no idea where to start. Some of
those things can be used for verifiable stuff. This is
where. .west end. Somewhere in the foreground here is
that open metal area I was talking about. The metal
grating..something round that..open like metal frame
work with something roundish in it. But that door..
which is not really a door, which I was telling you
about is like over here. I saw it in the background
OK..It's just like that.
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#28 Where is the asphalt?
#10.5 That was?like?right here. Because that's where
I moved by then. OK. This is a..what do you want
to call it..
#28 Hall without door.
#10.5 I'll call it. Looked just like an entrance hall.
Down here is end of loading dock or end of one called
loading dock. It's a raised area. And, what I did
first is one to put line the windows across here.
Alright. OK. For analytical purposes let me do the other
outside. Now how am I going to do this?
PAUSE
#10.5 There, that's what that side looks like. When I
said that along this thing had big door. (mumbling)
(asked for word spelling ) sigh?OK?alright. That's
it, now for the inside. To draw this as I had it, OK,
we would have the front of the building just inside the
front the recessed front, doors, here's this window
I was talking about?OK. The hallway goes on back....
#28 This front of the building what's
#10.5 It's outside....
#28 Is it just outside?
#10.5 About five stairs here, and the hallway goes that way,
and I told you that I thought there were stairs here
..what goes on here..I don't know if the hall continues
or if that's it. What did I tell you..this was 40 feet.
Then, this thing has got downstairs again and it opens
into this big-ass bay. OK..Like that. This is a wall
and this is a wall. I don't know where ...there might
be something in here that I don't know about. But
there is a wall along here.
#28 (Mumbling) go through the double doors did you find
yourself down the hall?
#10.5 I didn't necessarily..no..because then?see?I don't
know..I don't think it was that hall that I found
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myself in. The reason is because then there was this
overhead rack. So I might have been?like?in the hall
I might have. .actually when I went down the stairs I
might have gone down the basement. And I was in the
same hall but I might have been in under where I came
in. In other words I might have gone down like this.
#28 But you didn't recognize it being the same hall.
#10.5 ....like a cork screw. No. It was definitely not
the same hall. It had a whole bunch..it had a
circular track hanging with periodically spaced stuff
like big hooks you could hang something on it and
come around-right. OK. This is door on south side.
OK. Let me do the bay.
#28 Now this is the little bay.
#10.5 The little bay, yes. How am I going to do this in
perspective. I'm not going to either bother doing
this in perspective. (erasing)
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#10.5 It's much taller than that. Much more high ceilened.
(erasing) OK. Now. .how do I describe this thing.
Long work benches?OK?along this wall was a whole bunch
of stacks like boxes and stuff. From the ceiling or
uh..this way?OK?let me do this first. (pause)...
There were about four of them. OK. Over here where
the double door was. Then I went back through.
What can I say..I had the feeling people are..whether
they are there now or whether they were there whether
I tuned in on them, but like then stand at these places
and work and do various ..you know..chores..and through-
out it all I felt?like I said..it's not grease work
it's sheet metal work..stuff with clean parts..
assembling..assembling pressure hoses and vacuum hoses
and that type of stuff. OK. 4-5 OK. Now in the
..the dumb waiter is here..what I am calling a dumb
waiter anyway. OK. I'll call that 6. Over here, the
stairs that I came down OK. I had the feeling of..what
do you want to call it..carts that would be..carts..OK
would be wheeled over here. What do you call it in
Germany --pedernoster---like its in the I.G. FARBEN
building. It's just a thing with an open front.. it
just goes around and round..you put something on it..
it takes it up.
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#28 Like a conveyor?
#10.5 Yes, Like a..yes.
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#10.5 I had feelings of other here are the tables..
That's a bad drawing..I had a feeling of that kind
of cart being used.. to hold the sheets of sheet
metal big sheets?like you find at a lumber yard..
with a big back on one and a?little bump on the other
one.
#28 On the next page draw me a picture of what this
thing looked like that they put together.
#10.5 Yes. It was more rounded than that though..this
is rounded. Dark inside. I said it had a vertical
plain on it. Looks like that.
#28 How large is it?
#10.5 I didn't get a feeling for size. I got a feeling
for a manageable size. It's hand size..I mean it's
4 or 5 feet?OK.. And I had the feeling this thing was
towed in the water. When you asked me what was done
with it (pause) alright..now where to
#28 OK. Tell me..uh..kind of like a square or rectangle
of the whole building and show me as much floor plan
as you have of the building..where this other bay was
located in the whole building.
PAUSE
#10.5 There's where the bay is.
#28 Alright. Now if you were to draw an "X" and put yourself
in the center of the building, where would you show..
OK. .now that point then..what did you see there?
#10.5 At that point..where are we..that is 7 this is 8.
I had the feeling so this is 9..this is rounded...
black.
#28 OK. This is what you saw? ...the very first thing
that you saw.
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#10.5 The very first thing. I had the feeling I was in
a big open area and this thing was like looking...
I was just looking at the top of this thing but..
then when I looked down..
#28 You looked down this thin .i and you saw this...
#10.5 Right. Massive
#28 OK. What would you say that it was? I don't
...you know..I can't tell from looking at your
picture what you....
#10.5
#28
#10.5
Well..the tail of an airplane.
OK. Like the tail of an airplane.
Like the tail of an airplane. This big wedge sticking
u in s ace with fins..with a fin on it..at least one.
one p ain or something ike that on it.
#28 Explain to me what happened in your head, at this point.
#10.5 I felt like..I saw this thing and I said ?like..
where am I. .because you had to send me back because
then I had ended up in some office somewhere. I said
well what is this.
#28 OK. But the first thing you ended up is you said you
were down someplace and there was a big black cylinder
#10.5 Oh that. I'm sorry. I meant the top.
#28 That's fine. I just want to go back verbally. .now
I skipped that.
#28 That's fine..let's just go back verbally now. You went...
you went and you saw a big black cylinder thing that
you thought might be a boiler tank or something...
#10.5 ...beima_aszemblefli
#28 OK ....then..I said OK let's go to the top and you
went to the top and you looked down and you saw this
black object. Now this black object..did you see it..
did you know whether you were looking at it from the
side or from the top or where
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#10.5
I knew I was looking at it from the side.
OK. You were looking at it from
Yes. Because I could see the rest of the building
and the rest of the corners in perspective..behind
it..I could see the building behind it. This is
what I saw down in the basement. It was real dark
and shadowy..at least it felt that way..and this is
really quite..I had the feeling I was really in
quite a far place. So actually this would disappear
way off up here.
#28 It was kinda dark...
#10.5 Right. But I had the feeling I was looking at
side half an arch..a gentle arch..but big. I'd
say 30 feet..no..I would say 20 feet. Double
layer boiler plate and it was curved. .and I had
the feeling it was in a section..a piece of it..
it wasn't a whole thing it was a piece of it..was
there..and it was two layers..that's the important
thing...it was an outer layer and an inner layer.
#28
#10.5
And, what made you say basement?
That..the reason I said basement is because when I
was back here doing this little exercise I imagined
that the square ..you know..I said..
#28 I realize you have a verticle plane to move in..move
in the center.
#10.5 Right..right. So what I was doing..I was zooming
down to the bottom of that verticle plane..of
that verticle spike..and that's when I came up with
this..we'll call this 9 instead. I'll change this
one to 10. Then you asked me. .where I was..and I
told you that I had imagined it was..that the cross
was three...was actually 3 dimensional..right..and
I was down there. So then I came back outside. .1
was going to start over again. That's when I en...
I think we'll have to check the tape..that's when
I think I ended up in the office. I thought I was
like up in an office just in under the roof. That
didn't seem right. So I went back out again and
then I came down to this thing ..which was like..
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#28 Which we'll call 10.
Which we'll call 10.
*10.5
#28 And you were looking at it from the side.
*10.5 ..from the side..
#28 OK. And then what happened?
#10.5
Just beneath. OK. We got 9 and 10 out of the
way. Alright (mumbling) basement area just
inside the roof. OK. Then I had this feeling
of a really massive bay. OK. Just hugh..like
here's a guy that type of thing. And sitting
lengthwise across this bay was this dark cylinder
and I think that that was part of that..
#28 You think the drawing..
#10.5 I think that the drawing number 10 was part of the
drawing number 11.
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*10.5
Is the drawing in number 9 part of 11?
Yes. I think..hey..I think it has something to do
with 11. It may not be a part of this, but it is
a part that is put into things like that.
#28 Alright. But, when you saw a number 9 you had no
concept of number, 11.
*10.5 No. This is also dark here.
#28 So..when you saw a number 9, but looked like a
piece of a boiler plate to you, you had no concept
of it being part of a greater hole like..you know..
number 11.
*10.5 NO. I asked what the heck is this and that's when
I found that it was a section and that it wasn't a
total thing.
#28 Alright. So it is a section.
#10.5 It's a section. I'll write section in there.
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you want to add?
#10.5 I'm trying to think. Where else did I go?
OK. Twelve will be..just real quick here. Twelve
will be in the south east of the small bay
I'll draw the doors open.
428 This is when you went through the double doors
that you saw.
#10.5 Right. This thing hangs although it is a heavy
track. And there are
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REMOTE VIEWING (RV) SESSION C 66
#28 This will be a remote viewing session (edited for
security).
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It's time now to focus your attention on the building
that we talked about this morning. Located near:
Focus your attention on the area that you described as
the basement in which you saw an object which you
described as a boiler plate. Focus your attention,
initially, on that area and describe it to me.
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#10.5 Now (pause) / uh...17:1-9
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1 have a feeling that..a...(mumbling)....ta a?plates-4)1)A
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a...2 and 1/2 hands from4:11=A1,4Z-lb-ie) to....from tip of
thumb to little finger. M kegit bout 22 inches that's11.4
itself is.. le.) 3/4 inch thick
....one thumb width. A section Now I am looking
at (pause) uh uh
a 2; 4.1alimblino) 15 feet wide
#28 What is this section doing here?
PAUSE
#10.5 Seems to be leaning on one of its kind ..liked they
are stacked.. .waiting
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#28 Describe the area that you're in.
#10.5 ...like a store room. More a place where things are
kept..waiting...it's near...a..compared to other places
it's like a...(mumbling...)...5 feet wide and a
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#10.5 ..45 feetp,..it's a little displaced...down stairs
42.44L1=1100..25 feet high...big for these things to
it in. They...a..
#28 How did they come to be in here?
#10.5
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I'm thinking they're rolled in on heavy cars..flat beds
22.12y seem to be -.00ilat_LI.W,G4 the length of this room
as though They came in on that line...like on a railroad
tracks or something.
#28 How do we get them out of here?
#10.5 I would say.. .let me go to the other end of the room.
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#10.5 ...-(irrunTintimel)...I have a feeling I'm in northeast
corner of this place. Inside that ..now inside that
big door. I'm looking at it from the inside..in the
northeast corner and that is how this comes in and
out. It's on heavy equipment as it comes in on some
sort of delivery track ...like it's off loaded..you know..
or..broughtin through that high door at the northeast
corner. But the room seems bare other than that.
I don't see a bunch of machinery or anything. I just
see a bunch...not a bunch..I see a few of these big
curve things. Let me focus a little bit.
PAUSE
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#10.5 I can figure out how they get it in from the outside.
But, I can't see what they do with the ones that are on
the inside. Where they take them or anything
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#28 Describe the ceiling of this room.
PAUSE
#10.5 There isn't any ceiling.
#28 Look further up and describe what you see.
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#10.5 I see a high ceiling.
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#28 Describe this to me.
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#10.5 Girters and -t-r-. ?it looks like teardrops hanging down.
#28 Good. Now float way, way up that high ceiling. .right
up against it and then look back down so you can see
very clearly that room where you came from.
And now tell me what you see.
#10.5 It's a loading bay with a half wall..like a partition.
On the other side of that wall ....
#28 Go on..
#10.5 ...is where that other bay is...or even a bigger bay...
....I don't know..it's what it is....I...a..drifted over
the wall. I don't look over the wall..cause the wall
doesn't go all the way up.
#28 That's fine. Look up at the ceiling, look up at the
ceiling now.
#10.5 Heavy equipment. Yes.
#28 What's it do?
#10.5 ..Uh...tracks and..a..tracks and crossbars and...
pullies and..a..it's for lifting and moving.
#28 Alright. Now look down. Right underneath the things
that lift and move. Describe what's down there.
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#10.5 I am still right where I was..sort of half straggling
over this wall..is about where this thing is..located
now...uh..with my back to the outside wall on the right
is a long narrow open roof bay with these things in it.
Sort of in a line. On my left appears to be a much
bigger bay. That bay seems to..now..be..room with a
platform..elevator platform in places.. like a elevator
platform.
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#28 What's in the center of the ring?
#10.5 It's not a ring it's ..it's odd shaped..the platform
like section of the platform...different areas of,
the room of the bay. It makes like a work 1441,1447
#28 And what do they work on?
PAUSE
#10.5 I don't know. It's impossible. I don't want to
tie too much together.
#28 Is there anything there right now for them to work on?
#10.5 ..Uh..let me get my focus..something bounced me out of
it.
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#10.5 Alright...up-las the wall..on the right rf
on the Aft is the big bay....I..a..I don't know if
there's anythinginsu or not. I sure would like to ..4b//
put a submarine inAthere *something shaped. But
at the same time I can seeA nder these platforms as though
there isn't anything there-beeertree ...to the right.. .to
,c,4464 sow?,be v rtica line . . structures and several
layers of them. But it's impossible, .some sort of a
..I have this...it just doesn't fit
#28 Tell me about it.
#10.5 I want to say that these platforms that built upj,
nestled in amongst these platforms is a...sort...this
hidA14,41649-1-e ragia.e and that there is work being done _64,010
.Jon the outside like on the 4stmileE7I-Eat-are outside...
ko4p5 routsideMemmtm. ?like the...what are they called... 10044,
the tanks ...the ballast tanks..those extra bolt!Cis on
the side..and,some place I can see through ....some
places I don't..but it's pretty much all there..it's just
that some places it ain't.
#28 How did this come to be in the building?
#10.5 I have no idea. That's what I'm talking about.
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#10.5 (mumb1ing)4rIh-ave no idea. That's what I'm talking
about.
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#28 Why does it sit kitty-corner?
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#10.5 (mumbling) the bay, I guess. Seems like I go to one
corner of the rectangle to the opposite corner of the
rectangle. I have the feeling that....I really don't
know how it is in there..or if it's not there. .what it is
that's supposed to go in there.
PAUSE
#28 Describe your position of observation.
#10.5 I'm still floating up abot....wh4x:e You left me.
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#28 OK. Move over on top of the, ring shape or the
scaffolding or the work platform. Move so you can
see better the entire work area.
PAUSE
#10.5 Clear shot. I 1"5don't know how they get the thing out.
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I don't have any idea. That 'thing is a good\size.
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#28 How far
#10.5 Seems like it takes the whole bay up...
#28 How far to the ceiling from where you're standing.
#10.5 Uh...I just dropped down from the ceiling about 20 feet.
or more..no not 20 feet...and I..uh..I like was..it was
like I was behind that big triangle thing from before..
with the veins out of it ...and ..uh.ri-Vie looking at
it..the angle was not level...and I could see the other
side of the bay...on the other side of it. I was like
sliding down this thing and tried to figure out how it
got out..or got in.
#28 Ask yourself where is outside? Let yourself be drawn
in that direction. What do you perceive?
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#10.5 ..Uh..I don't... (sigh) (pause)
I have feeling of great lifting and moving...(mumbling)
like..shift...shift this thing. It..it..it..does..go out
and..it does want to go out the opposite side. It goes
out the opposite side.
#28 Which cardinal direction is that? Which cardinal direction
#10.5 North.
#28 would the opposite side be?
#10.5 North. I feel like I am looking north now.
#28 Which way would it move to go out?
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..Uh..uh..I see that..a..this thing
whatever it is, is resting on a..a..cradle that appears
to..uh..shift.
#28 Which way?
#10.5 Which way?
#28 Which way does it appear to shift?
#10.5 It appears to shift to the vessels..uh..left.
#28 And then what happens?
410.5 And then the vessel is returned to where it was to
start with. I see..I see a shifting and a dropping..
a sliding..it slides sideways. Now, how in the hell
it gets out of there, I have no idea. I don't see
any water. I don't see any...I don't see anything which
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#28 OK. That's fine. I would like to look at something
else now.
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#28 Move back up the ceiling and drift right along the
ceiling...slowly..from east to west. Move from your
position down length of the building to your west.
Towards the west, down length of the building. Slowly
drifting right up to the ceiling so you can see down
below. .see things in perspective below. .quite clearly
so that you aren't so close that you can't understand
them, that you're far enough away so that you can see them.
Moving now, this area you've been talking about. .passing
underneath you and you're now approaching another area.
Describe it to me.
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#10.5 Alright....uh..I feel that at this end..iithis large bay.
ila__waia_tnipAloading bay on the..in the corner.?
. . feel on the far end e
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..they're on the other end of the building..that there
are several actual floors in that end..and..look..."1444d!
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eplt.:434kk.work..the "T" of the halfifhtersection comes here
to this big bay. The other "T" goes to the one I talked
about before. And the main hallway goes straight ahead.
But it is at half level..there are still things downZinder
like what would be in a basement level. That is still
occupied and I could see that from the big bay in the
bottom of the big bay like..goes into those places. In
the middle of the big bay goes into these other places
which may be ground level outside. That is something
that is interesting. There's a height differential
....that's what it is!
#28 Go on.
#10.5 This big bay is ,oarded outside level. At least
....arllacTerrelefi, the outside level because main
hallway on the otherside on the bay was roughly
equivalent to ground level but here I'm talking
about I'm floating over something that's another
25 feet deeper. You see.
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#28 Why is it deeper?
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#10.5 Why? It needs the extra depth.
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#10.5 It's offset somehow. What I feel is that..from the
feeling from the base floor there is nothing in between.
But, if I go to the other end of the building from the
ceiling to the basement floor, I go through two
intermediate floors. You see.
#28 Certainly.
#10.5 So (pause) God: the whole thing is all
screwed up.
#28 OK. Let's take a break a minute. Relax, I have one other
question I want to ask you. As soon as I turn the tape
over.
#10.5 What.
(tape turned over)
@28 OK, now, before we, we draw here, I have a very different
question to ask you about this area. Very different than
the physical description of the area..what you see
happening in there. Question involves,nationalities,
at this location. What nationalities do you perceive)
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or are involved in any way, shape or form, with this,
building and what's going on at this building?
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#10.5 Um (sneezed)..I am trying to go over other
perceptions as well.
#28 OK. We can pursue that question some other time.
Let's go ahead and..a..and draw that which we have and
we'll go back after that one particular question at
another time. Perhaps we can explore some of the
office area that this building holds.
Your concentration seems to be broken now so it is
a good time to draw.
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