COINS/DODIIS MEETING - 2/5/85
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January 31, 1985
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MEMO
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DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE
Intelligence Information Handling Committee
WASHINGTON, DC 20505
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MEMORANDUM FOR:
Distribution
SUBJECT: COINS/DODIIS Meeting - 2/5/85
IHC/MM 85-10
31 January 1985
1. Arrangements have been completed for us to meet wit on
the question of DNSIX and the COINS/DODIIS gateway at CHB at 0930 on e . 5th.
2. 1 am enclosing a memorandum summarizing the results of our last
meeting. Please review this with particular care as I am not certain that I
captured all of the pertinent discussion from a technical standpoint. Please
make suggested corrections or additions if required to document the substance
of our discussions.
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DIRECTOR OF CENTRAL INTELLIGENCE
Intelligence Information Handling Committee
WASHINGTON. DC 20505
MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
SUBJECT: Meeting of 1/23/85 on COINS/DODIIS MOU Revision
IHC MM 85-09
31 January 1985
1. A meeting was held on January 23, 1985 to discuss proposed revisions
2. The minutes of the previous meeting were approved. COINS PMO had
previously provided the participants with copies of proposed language for
incorporation into the MOU dealing with the gateway functions and design issue
and on proposed JOIN operating procedures. DIA representatives initially
expressed the opinion that the proposed MOU language on the gateways was too
detailed and that implementation issues raised thereby should more properly be
addressed in the JOIN forum. strongly dissented saying that
details of the design involved fundamental policy issues which could only be
addressed at the current level. A resolution of these issues is critical to
the attainment of the fundamental goals of the MOU. In his opinion no further
progress could be made without their solution.
stated that,
aside from this fundamental question, he was of the opinion that previous
meetings had resulted in agreement on most of the other issues before the
group and that it might be helpful to put together a new draft incorporating
the previously agreed chap es while the group proceeded to consider this final
and fundamental issue. stated that he disagreed, and that the
solution to this issue should take precedence over all other activity, because
without it no MOU was possible.
3. The group then turned to the gateway proposal. stated
that to maintain security and system integrity the information specified in
the COINS proposal should be incorporated in the IP header. This will permit
both the network and server hosts to do access authorization checking and
maintain the required audit information without unduly complicating the
software required and adversely impacting the capacity of the gateways.
DODIIS representatives stated that this would not be possible without running
a strong risk that DODIIS protocols would depart from DOD standards and would
entail large expenditures of resources on the part of the operators of DODIIS
hosts in developing system specific software. In their opinion this would be
unnecessary because under the proposed implementation of DNSIX all of the
required information would be available elsewhere. stated that
his technical advisors were of a different opinion and they could not reach
the same conclusion based on their study of the DNSIX documentation.
4. DODIIS representatives proposed that if DNSIX were implemented on the
DODIIS side of the gateway the functionality being proposed by COINS could be
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achieved and the adverse effects of trying to additionally provide all of the
required information in the IP header could be avoided.
responded that this would make the gateway implementation too muc o a kludge
and would probably limit its throughput.
5. The question was raised as to whether or not it was intended that the
gateway do the checking and logging functions in respect to each packet or
only at the time of the initial session connection. tated that
the intention was that this would only be required in order to establish the
initial connection and that thereafter the packets associated with that
connection would pass through the gateway unimpeded.
6. After some further discussion it was agreed that DODIIS would arrange
for f MITRE to brief the group and any technical advisors anyone
desired to be present on the details of how DNSIX is structured to provide the
required information and would prepare a paper on their proposal to utilize
DNSIX on the DODIIS side of the gateway. agreed to provide a
paper detailing how he proposed to use the optional fields in the DOD standard
IP protocol. proposed to try to set up the briefing by La
arrangements on Monday, Jan. 28.
7. The group then discussed the proposal to include certain items of
information in a security preamble to the TELNET, SMTP, and FTP protocols.
DODIIS representatives again stated the position that this would be
unnecessary under DNSIX and would involve an unacceptable resource cost on the
part of DODIIS hosts. will also address this issue.
8. also pointed out that the 1822 link protocol should be
added to the list of agreed standard protocols. There was a general consensus
that this should be done.
9. agreed to handle the arrangements for the next meeting
and provide notice to all parties after being notified of
availability.
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