OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL JOURNAL ITEM RELATD TO THE SEIZURE OF THE USS PUEBLO BY THE NORTH KOREANS

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• Publication Date: January 17, 1969
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Journal - Office of Legislative Counsel Page 3
Friday - 17 January 1969
9. (Internal Use Only - LLM) Spoke with the office of Program
Evaluation and Planning, Social Security Administration, and learned that
the Social Security Administration's proposed report to the Senate Finance
and House Ways and Means Committees would be transmitted either today
or over the weekend. I was informed that although in constant contact with
the Civil Service Commission and State Department, the Social Security
Administration had not yet received written comments but that such replies
were expected.
10. (Secret - GLC) Dropped by to see Bill Woodruff to get his
impression of Senator Stephen Young's (D. , Ohio) attack on the floor of the
Senate earlier today on the Agency and the Director regarding the Pueblo.
Woodruff said there were very few members on the floor at the time aid,
although Young's charges were extremely pointed, he thought it best not to
dignify them by having any of our Subcommittee members speak on the
subject.
11. (Confidential - GLC) Talked with C. B. Morrison, on the staff
of Senator Allen Ellender (D., La.), and suggested that Senator Ellender
visit the Agency, if his schedule would permit. We could talk with
him about his recent trip to the Soviet Union and also talk with him a little
bit about the Agency. Morrison thought this was a good idea. He said he
would take this up with the Senator and be back in touch with us in the next
few days.
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WASHINGTON (AP )--A MEMBER OF THE SENATE ARMED SERV ICES
COMMITTEE TODAY CALLED THE PUEBLO AFFAIR "ANOTHER HUGE BLUNDER
OF THE CENTRAL "INTELLIGENCE AGENCY" (CIA) REMINISCENT OF THE SAY OF
PIGS INCIDENT IN CUBA AND CALLED FOR THE SACKING OF ITS DIRECTOR,
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RICHARD HELMS o -
"THE CIA SHOULD BE. SHAKEN UP AND CHANGED FROM THE TOP DOWN,' SENATO
STEPHEN M 0 YOUNG, DEMOCRAT-OHIO, SAID IN A SENATE S PEECH, 0 A LLING IT
"UNFORTUNATE" THAT HELMS IS BEING RETAINED BY PRES IDENT*ELECT -
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HE SAID HELMS "MUST TAKE THE RES PONS IB IL ITY" FOR THE ENTIRE PUEBLO
INCIDENT WHICH HE SAID "WAS RENIt]XSICENT OF THE CIA ILL-CONCEIVED
AND POORLY PLANNED BAY OF PIGS OPERATION--A HORRENDOUS BLUNDER"
YOUNG WAS ALSO SHARPLY CRITICAL OF COMMANDER non BUCHER ,
BOTH FOR FAILING TO F IG HT BACK WHEN NORTH KOREANS CAPTURED THE S. PY
SHIP LAST JANUARY AND FOR SIGNING STATEMENTS DURING THE 11 MONTHS OF
IMPRISONMENT BEFORE ME AND HIS CREW WERE RELEASED LAST MONTH o
" IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF TH: REPUBLIC," HE SA ID , "no UNITED
STATES NAVAL VESSEL EVER SURRENDERED TO AN ENEMY WITHOUT F IR ING A
SHOT
YOUNG SA ID FUTURE SPY SHIPS "MUST BE SEPARATED ABSOLUTELY FROM
OUR NAVY, " NOTING THAT SOVIET S?Y SHIPS ARE USUALLY DISGUISED AS
FISHING (-CRAWLERS o
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S 92 CONGRESSIONAL RECORD ? SENATE January 10, 1969
Blectorial refer . The heart wilMn at
8 timing of the re-
senate Office Building. Persons interested in
10:00 a.m. in @E. ease
being heard should contact the Subcommit-
tee staff in room 419 of the Senate Office
nDsPiggtiging 41tOONEMPAt must be told the
mittee, I raised the question of whether
or not we would apologize for this inci-
dent. I was told by Defense Department
officials in substance that?and I cannot
quote them directly because this occurred
during a classified part of the hearing?
such a move would be unthinkable on our
part because it would cause a great loss
of honor and prestige to the United
States. I asked DOD officials a simple
question in reply: "What prestige?" I told
them in substance that "when a fourth-
rate power can hijack one of our ships on
the high seas and get away with it, what
honor and prestige are you talking
about?"
So a move which was unthinkable in
the spring became policy by winter. How-
ever, it was the added dimension of this
policy which really disturbs me.
Not only did we admit to Communist
charges that we intruded into the North
Korean territorial waters, but we then
turned around and advertised that we
had lied about it.
The document we signed will make an
excellent propaganda piece throughout
the Communist nations where our re-
pudiation of it will not be heard. The
document will also be effective in under-
developed areas where the Communists
can show "proof" of U.S. "aggression"
to the uneducated. But worst of all, the
fact that we signed a document we knew
was false and that we admitted it can?
and I certainly expect that it will?be
used against us in, as an example, our
Vietnam negotiations in Paris and at
any other time in the future when we
sit across the conference table from the
Reds.
Let us also face this fact: The North
Koreans still have the ship, what is left
of it, and there is virtually no hope of
ever retrieving it.
We still do not know how many secret
documents were aboard when the Pueblo
was captured. On June 10, 1968, when
the Navy Department appeared before
the Defense Appropriations Committee,
I said I considered the Pueblo affair "a
case of rather extreme, in my opinion,
neglect." I said then, and I will repeat
now, that the Pueblo affair raised in my
mind grave doubts on "the use of those
self-destruct devices, the question of why
the instructions under which the com-
mander of the Pueblo handled the ship
as he did, and the question of allowing
information to fall into the hands of
the North Koreans."
In briefings, the Department of De-
fense has insisted that it would not have
been feasible to have used adequate self-
destruct devices on the Pueblo, thus pre-
venting the enemy from capturing our
equipment and documents. Frankly, I
doubt the authenticity of DOD's posture
In this regard. In light of the very suc-
cessful self-destruct devices we use in
aircraft, it seems highly unlikely to me
that we could not have protected our
papers and equipment aboard ship.
Inquiries are now being conducted into
the entire Pueblo incident. Hopefully,
these probes will answer many of our
questions about this affair. Many ques-
tions, however, may remain unanswered.
For these the American people deserve
and 11111A have answers. They must be
i -
ORDER OF BUSINESS
Mr. BYRD of West Virginia. Mr. Pres-
ident, I suggest the absence of a quorum.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. The clerk
will call the roll.
The bill clerk proceeded to call the roll.
Mr. ALLOTT. Mr. President, I ask
unanimous consent that the order for
the quorum call be rescinded.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Without
objection, it is so ordered.
NOTICE OF FIRST MEETING OF
THE AMERICAN GROUP OF THE
INTERPARLIAMENTARY UNION
Mr. ALLOTT. Mr. President, I ask
unanimous consent that I may 'pro-
ceed for 10 minutes on extraneous mat-
ters, without regard to the rule of ger:
maneness.
The PRESIDING OFFICER. Is there
objection to the request of the Senator
from Colorado? The Chair hears none,
and it is so ordered.
Mr. ALLOTT. Mr. President, the first
meeting in the 91st Congress of the
American group of the Interparliamen-
tary Union will be held at 10 o'clock
Wednesday morning, January 29, in the
Senate conference room, 8-207, in the
Senate wing of the Capitol. As each Sen-
ator knows, all Members of the Senate
are members of the American group, and
all are eligible to attend. The meeting
will be given over to the election of offi-
cers for 1969-70, and to other matters
of an organizational nature. I hope as
many as can will plan to be present. ?
THE U.S.S. "PUEBLO" INCIDENT
Mr. ALLOTT. Mr. President, as an
American, I rejoiced with all other Amer-
icans on Christmas Eve when the 81
living crew members of the U.S.S. Pueblo
were released by their captors, the North
Koreans.
While I remain deeply grateful that
the Pueblo crew has been returned to
safety in these United States, the man-
ner in which their release was arranged
has some disturbing aspects to it. With-
out wishing to at all dampen the good
will owed these men for their service to
their country, I do believe a few com-
ments are in order.
At the outset let me make it clear that
my concern for these men and their
families is no less genuine and human-
itarian than those who arranged for
their release.
However, I cannot help but believe that
the final chapter of this phase of the
Pueblo affair has not yet been written.
Many questions must be answered, and
the American people have the right to
know the answers.
The timing of this affair appears to me
to be the most curious. If we intended to
admit before the whole world that we
were wrong, and then to deny that our
apology was valid, did we have to wait 11
months to do it?
truth as to why we apologized and then
lied. But more than anything else that
will be revealed through investigation,
the American people need to know that
we will never suffer another Pueblo.
We need to know that the enemy, be
they North Koreans, Chinese, East Ger-
mans, Soviets, or whoever, will not get
away with a Pueblo ever again. The
American people need such assurance,
but the enemy needs it even more.
AMENDMENT OF RULE =I
The Senate resumed the consideration
of the resolution (S. Res. 11) to amend
rule XXII of the Standing Rules of the
Senate.
THE CASE FOR OPEN DEBATE
Mr. FANNIN. Mr. President, over the
years there have been many eloquent at-
tacks and rebuttals on the question of
limitation of debate in the U.S. Senate.
Those of us who come upon such well-
plowed ground cannot hope to shed much
in the way of original thought upon this
subject; yet I am sure there are good
reasons and necessary arguments that it
would be well to cover again so they will
be fresh as we once again consider the
question.
It is curious to me that there seems to
be a singular case of split vision operat-
ing upon our national scene today. Al-
most any paper or magazine on the
newsstand has an article or reference
made to the rights of minorities. There
is a strong assertion made that the
"rights" of certain minorities are vio-
lated if they are not allowed to disrupt
the educational processes of large insti-
tutions of learning when they do not
agree 100 percent with every aspect of
the operation of that school.
The rights of racial minorities are con-
stantly held before us in the public print
and on the air, as they should be.
I would not wish to be mistaken, Mr.
President, by having my remarks inter-
preted to mean that I would do away with
these reports of the rights of these mi-
norities. However, if there is a creed op-
erative in the public outpouring upon the
rights of minorities today, I think it
might well read something like this:
"We hereby pledge ourselves to uphold
and promulgate the cause of proclaiming
the 'rights' of certain minorities."
I think that might be the correct word-
ing of such a creed, Mr. President, and I
think its wording to be very important.
There apparently is no concerted effort
to uphold the rights of all minorities?
only certain minorities. I speak firsthand,
Mr. President, because I have personally
been the victim of discrimination, and
witnessed such selective discrimination.
In my State of Arizona, we have a
great number of American Indians. These
People?wards of the Federal Govern-
ment--have been largely mistreated and
ill-used by the very Government sworn
by treaty to protect them; yet there is
no great national outcry to right these.
wrongs. Those of us speaking out on be-
half of the American Indian are dis-
tinctly in the minority. We are often
ignored, seldom heeded, and our efforts
are frequently rewarded with a great deal
of lipservice and little tangible result.
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