DIARY NOTES

• Document Type: CREST
• Collection: General CIA Records
• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP76-00183R000400050122-2
• Release Decision: RIPPUB
• Original Classification: S
• Document Page Count: 2
• Document Creation Date: December 9, 2016
• Document Release Date: May 22, 2001
• Sequence Number: 122
• Publication Date: May 1, 1963
• Content Type: NOTES

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DIARY NOTES
1. John Tietjen discussed many items with me:
1 May 1963
a. He reported that their contribution to the integrated personnel
file has started. He had eighteen cases on his desk this morning for
transmission.
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b. John asked me whether it was intended to exclude doctors from
the scientific pay schedule when we issued our recent regulation. I told
him that we had no such specific intention; and, if he desired to have
doctors included on this pay schedule, he should take it up with the 25X1A
Scientific and Technical Personnel Advisory Committee.
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John Bross has agreed to call a special meeting of the Financial Policy and Budget
Committee at any time we are ready to make our presentation.
3. Jim Cunningham telephoned in some confusion about their paper requesting
approval to spend I explained that I had no authority
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to approve the paper but would be glad to concur in it if he wanted to prepare it
along those lines and send it back through DD/S.
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4. Jack Earman talked to me about the TSD project MKULTRA and
particularly the MKDELTA aspects of the program. I told him that, from what
he had told me and from what I had picked up elsewhere, I had the strongest
suspicions that we were on very dangerous ground. I urged Jack to pursue this
matter thoroughly and suggested that we have John. Vance talk with John Tietjen
about the matter.
5. I had a rather philosophical talk with John Tietjen about 25X1 A9a
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hold on to I said that I had come to this conclusion some time ago,
and reluctant !y II had also concluded that we probably weren't going to find a
psychiatrist who would be willing to make his career with the Agency unless we
can find one to whom money is not important. In discussing how we might let
said that as a matter of policy I did not feel that we could allow any part-time
employee to control our psychiatric program but that if did eventually 25X1 A9a
leave I, of course, had no objection to using his services in any capacity short
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employing I couldn't tell whether he was genuinely interested
ow ng im to control the Agency's program.
6. John and I reviewed the case of and we agreed that we
had made a mistake in allowing him to come to Washington in the first place.
John understands that as now written an article and is attempting
to get it published. It will, of course, be very critical of CIA.
7. I lunched with who wanted to discuss the possibilit f
_ I made it clear to George that, notwithstanding-admirable
character and personal characteristics, he should realize that he is not buying
an expert in the commerical airline business. Unless he is willing to devote
some time and effort to training and education, could not be expected to
develop into an effective principal assistant, chief of staff, or what have you.
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