JOURNAL OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL TUESDAY - 11 MAY 1971

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• Document Creation Date: December 9, 2016
• Document Release Date: August 24, 2001
• Sequence Number: 36
• Publication Date: May 11, 1971
• Content Type: NOTES

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OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL
Tuesday - 11 May 1971
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1. ( Secret - JMM) Accompanied Dave Brandwein and-
FMSAC, who briefed Chairman Downing (D. Va.) of the
NASA Oversight Subcommittee and "Dan" Boone of the Subcommittee
staff on the Soviet space program. Downing was most complimentary
and asked if the same briefing (which had included SI and TKH material)
could be given the full Subcommittee. I said I'd check with the Director
and let him know.
Downing expressed particular concern on possible waste and
duplication as between NASA and NRO activities, and wondered on what
level decisions were made as between NASA's needs and the protection
of sophisticated reconnaissance equipment.
Downing requested unclassified figures on the cost of Soviet
space efforts in terms of dollar equivalent and the percent of the Soviet
GNP which we promised to provide.
As we left Downing said he'd like to talk to me some time about
some valuable real estate in his district.
2. (Confidential - GLC) Talked with J. Sourwine, Chief Counsel,
Senate Internal Security Subcommittee, about his having someone place in
the Congressional Record the Time magazine article on the "Trade in
Troublemaking. " Sourwine said they would be pleased to put this in the
Record, but he raised the question as to whether we could document the
article any further. I told him I would check on this and be back in touch
with him.
3. (Secret - GLC) Talked with Mr. Hyman Fine, on the staff of the
Senate Armed Services Committee, about GAO's request for our assistance
in the preparation of a study on a comparison of U. S. and Soviet military
research and development expenditures and the Director's letter to GAO
asking that we be excused from participation in this study. Fine does not
have the compartmented clearances which would be involved in the full
discussion of the substance of this matter, but is generally aware of the
problems involved. He raised the question, however, as to whether we
could not respond in large measure to the question raised in Senator McIntyre's
original letter to GAO. I also asked him to consider the possibility of our
working directly with members of Senator McIntyre's Subcommittee staff,
bypassing the GAO clearance problem. (This would of necessity involve
clearing Fine and his associates. ) We agreed to talk this over in our
respective offices and then get to 41to see if we could not work
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4. (Confidential - JGO) Met with Representative Lawrence
Hogan (R. , Md.) and discussed the invasion of privacy of Federal employees
legislation now pending before the Employee Benefits Subcommittee of the
House Post Office and Civil Service Committee. Representative Hogan
told me that his studies so far indicate to him a probable need for complete
exemption for the Agency, NSA, and the Bureau. He noted that he visited
NSA yesterday with Chairman Hanley and was impressed by their operations.
He is looking forward to visiting the Agency but is running a very tight
schedule these weeks. He suggested that a visit by the Subcommittee not
be delayed to accommodate his personal schedule but that if he was not able
to attend with the Subcommittee, he would very much like to come and
break bread with us at such time as it can be arranged. He noted that in
particular he would like a careful review of use of the polygraph and our
procedures which he feels is necessary to rebut statements made by
Senator Ervin. Arrangements for Representative Hogan's visit to the
Agency will be coordinated through Mr. Richard Barton, Committee staff,
and Marie Chaillet, personal secretary.
5. (Secret - JGO) Met with Mr. Frank Slatinshek, Assistant Chief
Counsel, House Armed Services Committee staff, and briefed him on the
following items: French tactical nuclear weapon development; Soviet
TU-?128 deployment; Soviet Mars probe failure; and Soviet ABM facilities
at Sary Shagan.
6. (Confidential - JGO) Met with Mr. Richard Barton, Employee
Benefits Subcommittee staff of the House Post Office and Civil Service
Committee., who told me that the first day of hearings had gone very well.
The testimony was received from Representatives Charles Wilson (D. , Calif. ),
Spark Matsunaga (D. , Hawaii), and Senator Ervin (D., N. Car. ). Both
Representative Wilson and Senator Ervin were questioned somewhat extensively
by Representatives Hogan (R. , Md.) and Brasco (D. , N. Y.) concerning
exemption of agencies involved in national security :matters from coverage
under the bill. Mr. Barton told me that as far as the Committee schedule is
concerned, the members of the Subcommittee have hearings starting at 9:30 a. m.
each morning during the next couple of weeks with the exception of Monday,
17 May, and Friday, 21 May. We agreed that I would check to see which would
be the best dates from the Agency's point of view and be back in touch with
him tomorrow.
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7. (Confidential - JGO) Met with Mr. Drury Blair, Senate
Immigration and Naturalization Subcommittee staff, Senate Committee
on Judiciary, with regard to the-(H. R. 3929). In brief, he 25X1A
told. me that at present the Committee does not need anything from the
Agency in support of the bill but that a copy of the report furnished the
House Committee, if available, might be useful. I told him I would get
a copy to him later in the week.
8. (Internal Use Only - LLM) Al Tarabochia, Senate Internal
Security Subcommittee, called on behalf of an unnamed Senator interested
in whether Rennie Davis had met with North Vietnamese representatives
in Paris last September. I told Tarabochia that, as he well knows, we
do not keep track of the activities of U. S. citizens and suggested that he
contact the FBI.
9. (Confidential - JMM) Met with Senator Clifford P. Hansen (R. , Wyo. )
and Sam Marler and William Thomson, of his staff, regarding a response
for the Senator to make to inquiries from the poet, Allen Ginsberg, concerning
allegations of CIA involvement in Southeast Asian drug traffic. The Senator
welcomed our suggestions for responding to Ginsberg, and agreed to try
to obtain from the Bureau of Narcotics a statement which could be made
public in order to set the record straight.
10. (Confidential - JMM) Mr. and I met with Representative
Morris K. Udall (D. , Ariz.) and explained our problems with the Ervin bill
guaranteeing the privacy of Federal employees. Mr. Udall seemed to under-
stand our problems, but offered no encouragement so far as our request for a
complete exemption was concerned.
Mr. Udall asked us to check into an individual in Tuscon who had been
25X1A involved in some shady activities, and who, according to the local press there,
was suspected of being a CIA employee. (See Mr. - Memo for Record. )
11. (Confidential - JMM) Met with Thad Murray, in the office of
Senator William Spong, who wanted assistance in responding to a constituent
inquiry regarding allegations in the Jack Anderson column that the Agency was
involved in Southeast Asian drug traffic. Murray accepted my suggestions for
a response, and agreed to have Senator Spong ask for further details from the
Bureau of Narcotics.
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12. (Confidential - JMM) Talked to Don Henderson, Senate Foreign
Relations Committee staff, who said he would not have an opportunity to visit
Headquarters prior to his upcoming trip to Poland. I mentioned several
security considerations to be kept in mind regarding his travels, and Mr.
arranged to meet him tomorrow to formally debrief him on his security clearances.
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