WILEY-DODD INTERVIEW ON COMMUNISM

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CONGRESSIONAL RECORD MAR 21 1961
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Wile y-Dod Interview on Communism
EXTENSION OF REMARKS
OF
HON. ALEXANDER WILEY
OF WISCONSIN
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
Tuesday, March 21, 1961
Mr. WILEY. Mr. President, commu-
nism continues to be the No. 1 threat
to our security. For the future, we can
expect that the growing power, econom-
ically, as well as militarily, of the Soviet
bloc, will present an even greater threat,
not only to the security of the United
States, but to the survival of freedom in
the world.
To cope with such broad-scope dan-
gers, we need realistic policies at home
and abroad.
entl I was privileged to discuss
highs~ the Communist challenge-
particularly as these relate to our in-
ternal security-with the distinguished
vice chairman of the Senate Internal
Security Subcommittee, the Honorable
THo A. J. DORD, in ,a-.aGli$ television
p~ I ask unanimous consent to
have E printed
in the lx of a RECORD.
There being no objection, the excerpts
were order to be printed in the RECORD,
as follows :
WILEY-DODD URGE GREATER CITIZEN ACTION
PROGRAM To COMBAT COMMUNISM
Senator WILEY. The Nation-now and in
the future-must keep alert to guard against
threats to its security at home and abroad.
On global and domestic fronts the Com-
munists-deadly enemies of freedom-pur-
sue their goal of world conquest. How? By
aggression, subversion, sabotage, infiltration.
What tactics do they use? All kinds: Open
and secret, legal and illegal, ethical and un-
ethical, humanitarian and geneocidal.
Confronted by this great, and growing,
threat to our survival, we need a strong se-
curity system, internally and externally, to
parry, and counter, the deadly thrusts of
this enemy at the heart of America. In the
face of a Red enemy, constantly probing for
weak spots in our system, however, we need
to further strengthen our internal security
efforts, as well as to be better educated
about, and armed against, overall Commu-
nist threats to our security.
At this time, we are privileged to welcome
to the program the Honorable THOMAS DODD,
vice chairman of the Internal Security Sub-
committee of the U.S. Senate. Welcome,
Tom.
Senator DODD. Thank you, Senator WILEY.
I consider it a privilege to join you in a dis-
cussion of threats to our internal security.
Only if the public is aware of, and alert to,
these dangers, can we take the necessary
steps to protect our Nation and way of life.
Senator WILEY. Is there any doubt in your
mind that communism, at home and abroad,
is the No. I threat to our security?
Senator DODD. None at all.
Senator WILEY. What about the U.S. Com-
munist Party? According to estimates, it
has a membership of about 25,000 members.
Senator DODD. In my judgment, that's an
extremely rough estimate. The Reds, as you
well know, operate in spy-like fashion. Con-
sequently, it is extremely difficult to get a
clear picture of the party and its activities.
Organized in 1919, the Reds, working openly
and secretly, have agitated for strikes, riots,
social unrest, and demonstrations, such as
the riots last year against the House Un-
American Activities Committee hearings in
San Francisco. In addition, they have en-
gaged in espionage, sabotage, subversion, and
other acts that threaten our security.
Senator WILEY. In your judgment, are
U.S. Communists closely tied to the apron
strings of Moscow?
Senator DODD. In any sound assessment,
the Communist Party U.S.A. must be con-
sidered an arm of world communism. Allied
with this increasingly powerful international
ocnspiracy, it is especially dangerous.
Senator WILEY. You feel, then, that the
V.S. Reds, ready to take orders from Mos-
caw, would rise up against the United States,
if they might be successful?
Senator DODD. Yes. The evidence was best
presented by Gus Hall, the No. 1 U.S. Com-
munist. When asked the question: "And
are you willing to take up arms and over-
throw the constituted authorities?" he
answered: "When the time comes, yes."
In these five simple words lie the deadly
promise of communism.
Senator WILEY. Recognizing this grave
threat, we, naturally, need to keep our laws
up to date for greater security.
Senator DODD. As a member and former
chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee,
Senator, you have long exhibited a deep con-
cern about the Red dangers; and have forth-
rightly supported efforts to strengthen our
laws, law enforcement agencies and judicial
system.
You well recall, of course, the acts of Con-
gress dealing with the Communist menace?
These include:
1. The Voorhis Act of 1940, requiring that
any organization in the United States en-
gaged in political activity and subject to for-
eign control would be required to register
with the Attorney General of the United
States.
2. The Smith Act of 1940, prohibiting the
teaching and advocacy of overthrowing the
Government by force or violence, and also
membership in such an organization with
knowledge of this purpose; and
3. The Internal Security Act of 1950, re-
quiring that any Communist organization or
front register its members, disclose its fi-
nances, and label its propaganda as Com-
munist.
Senator WILEY. Through the years, also
several States-and rightly so-have estab-
lished special committees to investigate sub-
versive activities and recommend necessary
legislation. This helps, I believe, to focus
public attention on-and more effectively
deal with-the dangers of communism at
home.
Senator DODD. I am seriously concerned,
however, with a serious shortcoming in our
efforts to deal legally with this danger to our
security. For the most part, laws relating
to internal security are based on past experi-
ence, rather than on anticipation of future
problems. The Communists-on the other
hand-are long-range conspirators, planning
far into the future. Consequently, we can-
not always be sure that legislation, in itself,
will guarantee the internal security of the
Nation.
Senator WILEY. That is true. Recogniz-
ing this situation, we must make greater
efforts to gear our laws-including the up-
dating of existing statutes, and the writing
of new ones-to the future, not the past.
Senator DODD. In addition to Federal and
State action, there is also a real need for
alertness, and a willingness to act, at the
local community level. The private citizen-
individually, and through his civic, labor,
religious, education, business, cultural, and
other organizations can do much to thwart
the aims of communism and strengthen our
free system.
Senator WILEY. I agree. The expulsion
from the CIO in 1949 and 1950, of 11 Com-
munist-dominated unions, for example,
represents one of the worst setbacks ever
inflicted on the United States Communist
Party.
YOUTH-MAJOR TARGET OF REDS
We must be alerted to the great effort of
communism, also, to reach, and convert the
youth-not only of the United States, but
of the world.
Senator DODD. Very definitely, Senator
WILEY. The successful Communist ex-
ploitation and manipulation of youth and
student groups throughout the world today
is a major challenge which free world forces
must meet and defeat. Recent events
clearly reveal that world communism has
launched a massive campaign to capture and
maneuver youth and student groups.
The vigor and vitality of such groups con-
stitutes an explosive force. Channeled into
proper outlets, it can accomplish immeasur-
able good for a peace-and-progress world.
Maniulated into destructive channels, how-
ever, this force can create chaos. Overall,
the capture of the youth of the world is a
major goal of Communist strategy. We
must therefore, take more effective measures
to prevent our youth from being taken in
by innocent-looking, but often dangerous,
lures thrown out by the Reds.
Senator WILEY. Overall, an effective secu-
rity system requires teamwork-and dedi-
cated cooperation efforts-between citizens
and their local, State, and Federal law-
enforcement agencies.
Let me say, however, that I don't believe
in witch hunts; or in creating a climate of
fear in which people jump at shadows. To
the contrary: I am confident that by effec-
tive, vigilant law enforcement-and maxi-
mum cooperation of our citizens-we can
minimize the Communist threat to our in-
ternal security, and catch and punish vio-
lators of laws.
Now, Tom, do you have any recommenda-
tions for more effective "citizen action" to
combat the menace of communism?
Senator DODD. As an individualist-like
yourself, Senator WILEY-I naturally respect
the rights of each citizen to interpret his
civic, patriotic responsibility according to
his own conscience.
Nevertheless, I believe there are definite
steps which would, if taken, better enable
us to cope with the Red menace. These in-
clude greater efforts to (1) educate our
citizens to the true nature, dangers, and
tactics of United States and international
communism; (2) dedicate ourselves more
completely to the ideas and ideals of free-
dom; (3) support efforts to further improve
our free society; (4) exercise the right to
vote-electing representatives who would
enable us to progress in the right direction,
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but also effectively fight against our ene-
mies; (5) imbue in our citizens a great
realization that we are in a battle of survival
against communism; apathy could be fatal;
and (6) strengthen our efforts to eliminate
bigotry, prejudice, hate-all blights on our
national integrity.
Senator WILEY. I concur wholeheartedly.
As vice chairman of the Senate Internal
Security Subcommittee, you are doing a
vigorous, splendid job.
Now, as we discussed earlier, communism
in this country cannot be isolated from the
World conspiracy. Would you give us a brief
lo'ok--frommyqur vantage point-at the global
horizons on which communism threatens
the survival of freedom.
Senator DODD. Currently, there are an es-
timated 36 million Communists working in
86 countries around the world. Overall, they
control about 1 billion people, and vast land
and natural resources. Witness the activity
of the Communists in Cuba, Laos, Africa,
South America, and elsewhere on this globe.
Day by day, the Reds are attempting to
further expand and mobilize this empire into
a machine to take over the world.
As a ranking minority member on both
the Judiciary and Foreign Relations Com-
mittees, you, Senator WILEY, have had long
experience in fighting this menace to free-
dom at home and abroad. How do you
evaluate the situation?
Senator WILEY. From experience-and the
facts of life in the 1960's-I can say this:
Winning the battle against communism will
not be easy. The challenge will require a
total effort by our own people-and those
of our allies. The actions will involve further
strengthening our jet-missile-nuclear-space
defense-to serve as a deterrent against
would-be aggressors; bolstering the free
world alliances-economically and political-
ly, as well as militarily; stepping up our of-
fensive on the ideological battlefront; find-
ing realistic solutions to our economic prob-
lems to better enable our free enterprise
system to meet the production-line challenge
of the Communist system; and, above all,
revitalizing in our citizens the patriotic,
moral, and spiritual dedication to the cause
of freedom.
Even with an all-out effort to combat com-
munism, however, we can expect a long,
difficult struggle.
Senator DoDD. You're right, Senator WILEY.
Failing to alert our people and dedicate the
necessary resources to protecting freedom
would spell grave dangers for our future. If
we mobilize-in effort, spirit, and resources-
however, I am confident that we can, and
will, win the battle.
Senator WILEY. Now, Tom, I want to ex-
press my gratitude for your taking time out
of your busy schedule to join me in a dis-
cussion of a topic of deep interest to my
home folks in Wisconsin. Thank you very
much.
ON. THOMAS G. MORRIS
OF 14EW MEXICO
IN T HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
T day, March 21, 1961
Mr. Speaker, in Point-
e difficulties of our do-
1960 some
'42 acres to
RECORD - APPENDIX March 21
participated in the allotted new acreage
of 17,282. In other words, 23 percent of
the applicants received 10 percent of the
requested- acreage. Even these figures
do not show the true picture. Many
farmers whQ would have liked to get into
production did not ask for any acreage
because from past experience only a
small amount l s been made available.
New procer data, 1960
California
Colorado---__ ._---_.
Idaho_--___-___-_-
Iilinois---------------
Iowa -----------------
ICansas _ _ -._ _ _ _ ------
Mieldgan-_-_-_--_-_-
Minnesota___-___-__
Montana--------____
Nebraska--------____
New Nlcaico--__-____
North Dakota __-____
Ohio-----------------
Oregon_____-_-_-__-
South Dakota--_-__-
Texas_ _ _ _ - _ _ - _ ------
Iltah__ ____.___-----
Washington_-_-____-
Wisconsin-_-____-_-
Wyoming_-_---_-----
3, 607
54,780
2,846
6,172
383
300
13,928
1, 21 2
322
10,780
1, 191
20, 563
1,821
3,433
1,279
1,828
798
168
166
90
3, 607
1, 372
809
1, 368
110
100
230
1, 773
In contrast to the above where the do-
mestic industry has been prevented from
increasing their production, below are some
figures which point out how our Govern-
ment has encouraged the expansion of
sugar producing areas outside of this country.
I do not want to imply that I am opposed to
some of the investments that are being
made to improve production in these coun-
tries, but I do feel that our domestic pro-
ducers should have at least an equal right
to expand and grow in this important com-
modity.
EXPORT-IMPORT BANK
In 26 years they have issued 45 credits
in the amount of $50,753, 192 to sugar pro-
duction and processing.
PHILIPPINES
Nov. 22, 1957--------------------- $70,000
Feb. 17, 1959--------------------- 42,948
Apr. 30, 1959--------------------- 202,144
Apr. 8, 1960---------------------- 12,142
Aug. 25, 1960--------------------- 110,736
Jan, 27, 1961--------------------- 167,000
ECUADOR
Feb 17, 1959---------------------- 62,000
F, 2, 1960---------------------- 58,000
Dec. 20, 1960---------------------- 110,000
Dec. 29, 1960--------------------- 118,000
Dec. 29, 1960--------------------- 96,000
MEXICO
June 14, 1956------------------- 32,000
Feb.14,1957--------------------- 33400
Apr. 3,1958---------------------- 3,000,000
Mar. 4,1960 ---------------------- 22, 000
ARGENTINA
Feb.23,1956--------------------- 310,000
May 9, 1957--------------------- 97,000
Mar. 31, 1960---------------------- 1;787.000
Aug.12,1960---------------------- 110,000
SRAZIL
Oct.9,1957---------------------- 32,100
Jan. 31, 1958 --------------------- 33,500
Jan.15,1958--------------------- 33,600
HONDURAS
Aug. 1, 1957---------------------- 1,000,000
PERU
Mar. 28, 1957--------------------
$731,.000
Bolivia:
DEVELOPMENT LOAN FUND
1959--------------------------
2,500,000
1961-------------------------
1,750,000
Haiti: Applications were considered and ap-
proved in 1960 for $3,000,000, however, this
was canceled in 1961. Another application
has been received.in February of this year
for $3,000,000.
Guatemala: An application has been received
for $5,592,000. This has been referred to
the Export-Import Bank.
INTERNATIONAL COOPERATION ADMINISTRATION
A large number of their loans are for gen-
eral agriculture developments, and actual
figures of support for sugar programs were
not supplied. However, the following coun-
tries have had sugar developments of some
sort involved in their programs.
Vietnam: Various training programs from
1955 to 1959.
Tunisia : 1959.
Indonesia: Technical production, experi-
mental plots 1959.
Iran: June 1952 until March 1957-
$635,000 to expand a plant. February 1953
until March 1956 $931,000 two plants.
Sudan: Survey in 1959.
Taiwan: Support to improve refining
equipment 1952-1953, 1954, 1955.
INTER-AMERICAN DEVELOPMENT BANK
Bolivia in a $10 million global credit re-
ved $1,800,000 to increase by 60 percent
ugar processing plant.
Ha has requested a global credit of $4
millio and if approved, part of the money
would to double the production of an
exist in gar plant.
Hondu' has presented an application,
part of w ch is to increase a sugar plant
daily caps ? by 40 percent.
INTERNATIO L DANK FOR RECONSTRUCTION
some of which have gone
uction. However, figures
were not avalla
of sugar.
OF
HON. E. L. BAR? 'LETT
IN THE SENATE OF THE II ED STATES
Tuesday, March 2161
Mr. BARTLETT. Mr. Pre ent, the
Senate. Committee on Inter to and
Foreign Commerce has been co ucting
extensive hearings regarding m itime
transportation to and from the so= ailed
offshore areas-Alaska, Hawaii, am,
and Puerto Rico. The committee Chas
heard from local government representa-
tives that high freight rates imperil
economic development.
In his column printed in the Washing-
ton Evening Star for March 14, Mr. Con-
stantine Brown called attention to the
committee's hearings, and I ask unani-
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