ABOARD A FLYING SAUCER THE ADVENTURES OF TWO 'KIDNAPPED' HUMANS

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ABOARD
A FLYING
SAUCER
The adventures of two "kidnapped" humans
Nightmares and crippling anxiety drove Betty and Barney Hill to the office of Dr.
Benjamin Simon, the distinguished Boston psychiatrist and neurologist. During
'World War II, Dr. Simon was Chief of Neuropsychiatry and Executive Officer
at Mason General Hospital, the Army's chief psychiatric center. He had extensive
experience and remarkable success with hypnosis in the treatment of many psy-
chiatric disorders among military personnel.
The Hills were deeply disturbed by'the haunting memory of an incident that
occurred several years before, outside the village of Lancaster, N.H. They were
plagued,by, a nagging feeling that "something--more" they could not recall had oc-
curred. Fearing ridicule and scorn, they had kept their experience relatively secret
until the strain began to affect them physically and emotionally.
Dr. Simon accepted them as patients. During the months. that followed, the
Hills began-under individual psychotherapy, including periods of time regression
under hypnosis-to relive their "adventure," which proved more terrifying than
either of them consciously recalled. Their words were recorded on tape, and their
words are transcribed here, with some of
A Boston newspaper, in a series of articles, had
disclosed Dr. Simon's participation in the Hills'
care, The doctor says, "I never saw the reporter,
refused to:.be interviewed by him, or to discuss
the case with him, which he acknowledged in
the articles. Nevertheless, I felt that mentioning
me in these -articles could cause me to become
identified with certain statements and conclu-
sions by - the reporter about the Hills' experi-
ences, with which I strongly disagree." The
Hills, who had also refused to be interviewed,
were "considerably distressed by the articles"
and asked Dr. Simon to release the tapes to John
'G. Fuller so that an authentic'version of their-
story might be told. .
"I decided," says Dr. Simon, "that the emo-
tional.health of, the Hills would best be served
by releasing the tapes, provided I would have
complete approval of their use and of any medi-
cal data:'an insurance that the records would be
used accurately and not detrimentally to my
patients."
. Some readers will find the Hills' account
incredible. Others will find the story vivid and
persuasive. Neither Dr. Simon nor Mr. and Mrs.
Hill will state that their "adventure" cannot be
Barney pulled the binoculars from his eyes, and ran screaming back across the field to Betty.
BY J'OH N G. FULLER
ON SEPTEMBER 19, 1961, Barney Hill and his
wife Betty began a night drive from the Canadian
border down U.S. 3, through the White Moun-
tains, on their way home to Portsmouth, N.H.,
after'a short vacation.
Just after ten, their car was winding along
the flat ground of the upper Connecticut River
Valley. Betty enjoyed watching the brilliance of
the moon reflecting on the valley and the moun-
tains in the distance. To the-left of the moon,, and
slightly below it, she noticed a particularly bright
star. Perhaps it was a planet, she thought, because
of its. steady glow. Just south of Lancaster, she be-
came intrigued by another star or planet, a bigger
one, which had suddenly risen above the other.
As she watched, the, new celestial glow appeared
to be getting bigger.
For a while, she said nothing to her husband.
Finally, when the strange light grew brighter,
she nudged Barney, who slowed the car and looked
out the right-hand side of the windshield.
When I looked at it first," Barney Hill later
said, "it didn't seem anything particularly un-
usual, except that we were fortunate enough to see
a satellite. It had no doubt gone off its course, and
it seemed to be going along the curvatureof the
earth. It was quite a distance out ... it looked like
a star, in motion." -
They drove on, glancing at the bright object
frequently, finding it difficult to tell if the light
itself were moving, or if the movement of the car
were making it seem to move. It would disappear
behind trees, or a mountaintop, then reappear as
it cleared the obstruction.
Delsey, the Hills' dachshund, became rest-
less, and Betty suggested they should walk her. At
the same time, they could get a better look at the
bright object. Barney pulled the car to the side
of the road, where there was reasonably unob-
structed visibility.
Betty walked Delsey along the side of the
road. She was now sure that the star, or the light;
or whatever it was, was definitely, moving. When
Barney joined her, she handed Delsey's leash to
him, went back to the car and returned with a pair
of binoculars. Barney was still convinced that they
were observing a straying satellite.
After a few minutes, they resumed their
continued
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Dr. Simon's.analysis and comment.
challenged; but neither has Dr. Simon an incon-
trovertible assessment to discredit the Hills' al-
leged "abduction."
After seven months of psychotherapy and
hypnosis, Dr. Simon, who began by doubting
the possibility of their claims, now comments:
''Some aspects of the experience are unan-
swered, and, perhaps, unanswerable at this time.
Nothing is finally settled. Nothing is absolutely
proved to me regarding the alleged 'abduction."'
He also points out that "neither patient is psy-
chotic, and both consciously and under hypnosis
told what they believed to be absolute truth.
The charisma of hypnosis has tended to foster
the belief that it is the magical road to Truth.
In one sense, this is so, butitmust be understood
that hypnosis is a pathway to the truth as, it is
felt and understood by the patient. The truth is
what he believes to be the truth, and this may
not be consonant with the ultimate and non-
personal truth. Most frequently it is."
On the following pages, Loox presents a
condensation of John G. Fuller's forthcoming
book The Interrupted journey, an extraordinary
human document.
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Air 'Force lethargy?
The National Investigations" Committee on
Aerial Phenomena (NICAP) is ' a nonprofit
organization incorporated in the District of
Columbia. Its main purposes are scientific
investigation and research of reported uni-
dentified flying objects, and encouragement
of full reporting to the public by responsible
authorities of all information that the Gov-
ernment has accumulated on this subject.
The U.S. Air Force is charged with theof-
ficial' investigation of UFOs. NICAP contends
'that the Air Force has practiced a question-
able degree of secrecy, keeping the public in
the dark about the amount and possible sig-
nificance of evidence it has been given.
There have been thousands of sightings
throughout the world by Air Force pilots,
navigators; by military personnel in the
Army, Navy and Marine Corps; by commer-
pilots, aviation experts and private citi-
cial
zens. One of the many current myths about
UFOs is that no'trained observers have report-
ed seeingAem. Skeptics ask: "If UFOs are
real, why haven't astronomers seen them?
They have, on many occasions. But a signifi
cant,number of scientists have told NICAP
privately that it would be professional sui-
cide for them to discuss the subject openly.
FROM NICAP REPORT. BY PERMISSION.
journey. The object continued its unpredictable
movement. The Hills stopped briefly several
`times. At one of the-stops, a,few miies north-o '-
Cannon Mountain, Betty said, "Barney, if you
think thats a satellite,, or a star, you're being ab-
solutely ridiculous."
- "It's-a commercial plane," Barney now con
eluded: "Probably on its way to Canada."
Around 12 o'clock, they approached the
enormous and somber silhouette of Cannon
Mountain. Barney parked the car in a; picnic
area that commanded" a wide view to the west:
He looked again at the strange moving light and
noted that it swung suddenly from its northern
flight pattern, turned to the west, then com-
pleted its -turn and' headed back directly- toward
them. The Hills got out of the car. -
`It's gotto be a plane, "Barney said. "Acorn-_
mercial liner:"
"With a crazy course like that?" Betty asked,
following him with Delsey.
"Then it's a Piper Cub. With some hunters
who might be lost.".
".'It's not the hunting season," Betty said, as
Barney took the binoculars from her. "And I
don't hear a sound." Neither did Barney.
.,,,,It might be a helicopter," he said as he
looked through the binoculars. He was sure that
it wasn't, but was reaching for any kind of expla-
nation that would make sense. "The wind might
be carrying the sound in the other direction."
"There is no wind, Barney."
Through the binoculars, Barney now made
out a shape like thefuselage of a plane, although
he could see no -wings. He also saw a series of
lights along the fuselage, blinking in an alter-
nating pattern. -
When Betty took the glasses, the object
passed in front of the moon, in silhouette. It
Dr. J. Allen Hynek, chairman of the Depart-
- ment, of Astronomy of Northwestern Uni-
versity, has no connection whatsoever with
NICAP. He was in charge of the optical satel-
lite tracking program of the Smithsonian
AstrophysicalObservatory,Cambridge,Mass.,
For 18 years, he has been scientific consultant
to the Air Force on_UFOS and has screened
over 10,000 cases in their files, investigating
many of them personally. -
"UFOs demand- serious and immediate
scientific attention," he told a meeting of sci-
entists recently. "The myth is not put to rest,
and the scientific fraternity must now take.
cognizance of them. We can no longer dis-
miss the subject. When I started to investigate
this phenomenon in 1948,1 thought thewhole
thing would go up in smoke. It has taken till
now for serious scientists to begin to look at
the phenomenon with care and caution."
In August; the Air Force said it hoped to
contract with a leading university to under-
take a program of intensive investigation of
certain UFO reports. Teams would include at
least one scientist familiar with atmospheric
physics, and a psychologist with clinical ex -
perience. The initial budget would be $300,-
000 to cover an 18-month period.
seemed to be flashing thin pencils of different
colored lights. The object itself appeared cigar
slowed down again as it crossed the face of the,
moon. The lights were flashing persistently, red,
amber, green and blue. Betty turned to her hus-
band and asked him to take another look.
"It's got to be a plane," Barney insisted.
"Maybe a military plane. A search plane. Maybe
it's aplane that's lost."
He was irritated-by Betty's refusal to accept
any natural" explanation. Several years earlier,
B,etty's sister and family had told about seeing an
unidentified flying object in Kingston, N. H., and
' Betty tended to believe the story. Barney resisted
the idea that such objects existed.
The dachshund" was whining and cowed.
angle toward him. Two finlike projections
Betty gave thebinoculars to Barney and took Del- on an
sey back to the car. Barney focused the glasses on
the object and strained to hear a sound: the throb
of a propeller-driven plane or the whir of a jet.
He heard none. For the first time, he felt-he was
being observed, that the object was actually at-
tempting to circle them. Getting back into the
car, he-,told Betty that he felt the craft had seen
them and was playing games with them.
They drove slowly on toward Cannon Moun-
tain, catching glimpses of the object as it moved
erratically in the sky. As they approached the base
of the mountain, the object suddenly swung be
hind the dark silhouette of trees and disappeared.
Barney increased his speed, and as the car
moved past the blackness of the Old Man of the
Mountains, the object appeared again, gliding
silently, leisurely, parallel to the car. It appeared
to be only a few hundred feet to the right, above
the car. Earlier, ithad seemed to be spinning; now,
it was still, and the former blinking, multicolored
lights gave off a steady, white glow.
Through the binoculars, Betty saw a double
row of windows. It was clearly a structured craft
of enormous dimensions-just how large she
couldn't determine because both distance and
altitude were hard to- judge. As shewatch ed,
a red light came out on the left side of the object,
followed by a similar one on the right.
"Barney," she said, "stop.the car and look!
You've never seen anything like this in your life."
He looked through the windshieldand could
see it-plainly now. It was not more than 200 feet
in the air, he thought, and coming closer.
_ stopped the car at Indian Head, took
the -Barney binoculars and got out. The motor was still
running. The object was hovering silently in the
air, not more than a short city block `away, hot
apparent or t e rst time: that off Paige; glow-
ing pancake.
"Do you see it? Do you see it?" Betty called.
Her voice was rising. Later, Barney admitted
frankly that he was scared, 'yet he walked a few
feet forward and looked again.
As he- did so, the object-as widein diameter
as the distance between three telephone poles
along the road-swung in a silent arc across the
road, not more than a hundred feet from him.
The double row of windows was now clear.
For a reason he cannot yet explain; Barney
found himself moving across the road into the
field, then across the field, directly toward the
mysterious object. The enormous disc was raked
on either side were sliding out, each with a red
light on it. The Windows curved aroundthe perim-
eter of the thick, pancakelike disc, glowing with
brilliant white light. Still, there was no--sound..
What is a humanoid?
The term is anthropological, indicating a
creature with- some, but, not all, of the facial
and physical; characteristics of human beings
as we know them. Barney Hill, who was "ab-
ducted" by humanoids and taken aboard their
flying ship, remembers that; "The-men had
rather odd-shaped heads, with a large cranium,
diminishing in size as it got toward the chin.
And the eyes continued around to the sides
of their heads, so.that it appeared that they
could see several degrees beyond" the lateral
extent of our vision. And something that I
remembered, after ; listening to the tapes, is
the mouth itself. I could not describe the
mouth. But it was much like when you draw
one horizontal line, with a short perpendic-
ular line on each end. This horizontal .line
would represent the lips without the muscle
that we have. And it would part slightly as
they made this mumumumthing sound. The
texture of the skin, as I remember it from this
quick glance, was grayish, almost metallic
looking. I didn't notice any hair=or any head=
gear either for that matter. Also, I didn't no-
tice any nose, there just seemed to be two
slits that represented the, nostrils."
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Shaken, but finding an irresistible impulse
to move closer, Barney continued across the field,
coming within 50 feet of the craft, as it dropped
to the height of a single tall tree.
In the car, Betty waited. Suddenly, she be-'
came aware of Barney's disappearance into the
blackness of the field. "Barney," she yelled. "Bar-
ney, come back! Barney! Do you hear me?"
There was no answer.
Out-in the field, Barney put the binoculars
to his eyes. Behind the clearly structuredwindows,
he could see at least half a dozen living figures
wearing black uniforms. They seemed to be brac-
ing themselves' against the transparent windows
as the craft tilted down toward him. They were
staring directly at him.
Betty, now nearly 200,feet away, was scream-
ing at him from the car, but Barney has no recol-
lection of hearing her.
On some inaudible signal, every member of
the crew but one stepped back from the window
toward a large panel a few feet behind the win-
dowline. The remaining one appeared to Barney
\to be a-leader.
Through the binoculars, Barney could see
appendages in action at what seemed to be a con-
trol board-behind the windows of the craft. The
craft descended lower, a few feet at a time. As the
fins bearing the two red lights spread out further
on the sides of the craft, an extension began to
lower from the underside. It seemed to be a lad-
derlike structure, but Barney could not be sure.
In terror, he tried to pull the glasses from his eyes,
to turn away, but he couldn't. He remembers the
eyes of the one crew member who stared down at
him. He had never seen eyes like that before.
With every ounce of energy he could sum-
mon, he pulled the binoculars from his eyes, ran-
screaming back across the field to Betty and the
car. He was near hysteria. He jammed the car into
first gear, spurted off down the road, shouting that
he was sure they were going to be captured. He
ordered Betty to look out the window to see
where the craft was. She looked, but the object
was nowhere in sight. He yelled" that it may have
swung above them. Betty checked again, but all
she could see was total darkness.
Suddenly, they heard a strange, electronic-
sounding beeping. The car seemed to vibrate with
it. It was in irregular rhythm: beep, beep-beep,
beep, beep, and it seemed to come from behind
.the car, possibly from the trunk.
"What's that noise?" Barney asked.
"I don't know," Betty said.
They each began to feel an odd tingling
sensation. A kind of daze overcame them.
Sometime later-how long, they were not
sure-they were again aware of the beeping sound.
They were alert now to a more precise pattern of
beeps: beep, beep, beep, beep.
As the second set of beeps grew louder, their
awareness slowly returned. They were still in the
car, and the car was moving, with Barney at the
wheel. They were silent, numb and somnam-
bulistic. A sign indicated that they were in the
vicinity of Ashland, some 35 miles south of In-
dian Head, -.where the inexplicable beeping had
first sounded.
As'the daze dissolved, Betty Hill vaguely re=
members saying to her husband: "Now do you
believe in flying saucers?" And he recalls answer=
ing: "Don't be ridiculous.'Of course not."
But neither could remember much detail,
other than this, until they had driven onto Route
93. There,"Betty suddenly pointed to a sign read=
ing: CONCORD-17 MILES.
"That's where we are, Barney," she said.
"Now we know."(
Barney, too, remembers his mind clearing
fully at this point. But he does not recall being
disturbed or concerned about the 35 miles from
Indian Head to Ashland, about which he seemed
to remember nothing.
it was nearly full daylight when they reached
home. Both their watches had stopped, and never
ran again. The kitchen clock read shortly after
five a.m. They had expected to reach home by
three. Two hours of their lives were unaccounted
for-yet neither seemed aware of the loss at this
time until it was pointed out to them months later.
Barney unloaded the car. Picking up the
binoculars, he found that the leather strap that
had been around his neck the night before was
freshly and cleanly broken in half.
During the silent drive, both Betty and Bar-
ney had looked to the sky at regular intervals,
wondering if the strange object would appear
again.-Even after they went into the house, they
found themselves occasionallydrifting to thewin:
dows to look up into the morning brightness.,
Also, inexplicably, each had a strange, clam=
my feeling. Barney went into the bathroom to
examine his groin and lower abdomen, which
seemed to bother him. After he came out, they
reviewed what had happened and resolved not to
discuss it with anyone.
Nearly three that afternoon, when they
awoke, Barney again began reviewing the experi-
ence of the night before. He was baffled and con-
fused by the total lack of sound during the. ex-
tended encounter. The figures he had seen aboard
the craft he' shunted quickly out of his mind. He
did not want to think about them.
As Betty awakened, one of her first acts, why
she never fully knew, was to take the dress and
shoes she had worn during the experience and
pack them in the back of her closet. She has never-
worn them since.
Barney went over to the clothes he had worn
the night before and was surprised to discover that
his best shoes were scuffed along the tops. He
wondered why only the tops were scarred. He con-
cluded that somewhere in that field he had dragged
the tops of his shoes along some rocks.,
CHAPTER
A talk with a skeptical investigator
THE HILLS' RESOLUTION to keep the experience,
quiet began to waver during their afternoon
breakfast session. Betty telephoned her sister,
Janet Miller, and told her the story. Janet, who
had no reservations about the possibility of a UFO
sighting because of her own earlier experience,
confirmed Betty's feeling that the car might have
in some way been exposed to radiation if the ob-
ject had hovered directly over it. Janet reminded
Betty that a neighbor of theirs in Kingston was a
physicist, and said she would check with him. In
a few moments, Janet was back on the phone to
tell Betty that the physicist said any ordinary comp
pass might show evidence of radiation. .
Barney's skepticism stiffened, but he finally
relented -and got the compass for his wife. She
went outside and ran the compass along the sides
of the car. The needle did not react to any appre~
ciable extent, but as she drew near the trunk of
the car, her attention was drawn to a dozen or
more shiny circles scattered. on the trunk's sur=
face. Each was about the size of a silver dollar.
-They looked as though they had been buffed on
through a circular stencil.
Carefully, Betty placed the compass on one
of the spots. The needle immediately reacted
sharply. She then moved the compass on the side
of the car, where none of the shiny spots ap-
peared. The needle reacted normally. She shifted
the compass back to the shiny spots. The needle,
jumped out of control. She ran back to the house.
"Barney," she said, "you've got to come out-
side and look at this with me." Barney reluctantly
agreed to take a look while Betty called her sister
to report her "findings." Janet had talked to the
former chief of police of Newton, N.H. He had
suggested that the Hills notify the Pease Air
Force Base at Portsmouth, a Strategic Air Com-
mand installation.
"How did the compass act for you?" Betty
asked; when Barney returned.
"Just like any compass," he said. "Oh, it
might have jumped around a little when it got,
near the tire in the trunk. Things like that."
"What about the shiny spots?" Betty asked.
"Did you see those?"
"Yes," said Barney.
"Well, what about them?"
"Oh, probably something dropped on the
trunk.
- Betty called the Air Police at the base and
gave an officer the facts in bare outline. When she
mentioned the fins, which apparently separated
at the sides of the craft, with the two red lightson
either side, the officer suddenly seemed more in=
retested. When she explained that, her husband
had a better look at this part of the craft than she,
the officer asked to speak with Barney.
Barney avoided mentioning the figures he
had observed on the craft, or the shiny spots on
the car. But the phone call was reassuring. From
the discussion with the officer, he learned of other
reports, some similar to his, and he no longer, felt
so concerned about the possibility of being con-
sidered irrational.
Still struggling to find some correlation be-
tween fantasy and fact, Barney suggested to Betty
that they each draw a sketch of their impressions
of the object. Sitting in separate rooms, they
roughed out two sketches. When the sketches
were compared, they were remarkably similar.
Some ten days after the sighting, Betty be-
gan having a series of nightmares. They domi-
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nated her waking life during that week and con- to the Hills that they actually drive back over the the wheel. Always, there was the blank between
tinued to plague her with anxiety afterward. But trip step by step, to try to pin downythe exact spots- Indian Head and Ashland.
the dreams themselves stopped abruptly after five where the varied" events happened. They agreed. -
days on' ansd hypnosis, never she recalled returned.- Years later, detail: under Dr; for Five NICAP. days lreviewed aterw Webb the inncidcpaered his report
mint in the-mi=
She had dreamt she had encountered a nutest detail, including compass directions, posi-
strange-roadblock on a lonely New Hampshire tion of the moon and planets, weather-and de-
road. A group of men approached the car, and tailed description of the object, including the
as soon as they reached it, she found herself slip sketches the Hills had given him. He concluded
ping into unconsciousness. She-awoke to findher- - his lengthy report: "It is the opinion of this inves-
self and Barney being taken aboard a wholly _ tigator, after questioning these people-for over
strange craft, where she was given a complete- six hours and studying their reactions and person-
physical examination by intelligent, humanoid alities during that time, that they were telling the
A few weeks after the nightmares ended, of object, etc.). Although their occupations do recommended the possible need for psychiatric
beings. Barney was taken off down a corridor, ap- truth, and the incident occurred exactly as re-
patently for the same purpose. They were assured ported except for some minor uncertainties and
that no harm would come to them, and that they technicalities that must be tolerated in any such
would be released without any conscious memory observation .where human judgment is involved
of the strange happening. At that point, the (i.e., exact time and length of visibility, apparent
dreams> ended. sizes of object and occupants, distance and height
another disturbing incident occurred. The Hills not especially qualify the witnesses as trained sci- assistance. Barney agreed, and a long- process of
explain her panic: made~a turn. Nor could they aecounr O . c~#lic s at d a a asiri fcoxn his_b.eing a
and- she recovered her composure. She could not , which of the byways off Route 3 they might have became more and more aware of the subconscious
as fast as was practicable.. Betty's panic subsided, about where they -might have traveled or on terracial marriage: During the therapy, Barney
jump out of the car and run. would drive along Route 3 and'along severalback ; were many unusual and interesting facets to his
door, feeling an almost uncontrollable impulse to continue over many months, in all seasons. They, _Dr. Stephens indicated to Barney that there
-could-not explain it." Barney," she begged, "Bar- Hills thought about the suggestion of returning felt it was at most only a minor cause of his anxi-
-standing outside the car, and Barney began to slow tional aspects of the sighting."' _ nored altogether by Barney. Later, he discussed it
down. Betty felt a sudden, cold wave of fear. She It wasn't until after the holidays that the with Dr. Stephens, but did not emphasize it. He
were driving- through the countryside, on a road entific observers, I was impressed by their. intel- therapy began during the summer of 1962, under
in a sparsely populated area. Up, ahead, a car par-L ligence, apparent honesty and obvious desire to, Dr. Duncan Stephens, of Exeter, N.H.
tially blocked the road. A group of people were get at the facts and to underplay the more sensa- 'At first,-the incident at Indian Head was ig-
ordinate length of time it took them to .reach Negro,,;a member of a minority race.
On October 19, -1961, Walter Webb, lec- Portsmouth the night of'the incident. (All through his family background there
ton. Webb, a scientific adviser to NICAP, occasion- - after she heard the strange series of beeps as they was legally a slave. When she married, the plan
ally investigated the more serious and puzzling - drove frantically away from Indian Head, with tat-ion owner gave-her and her husband 250 acres
UFO reports in the New England area. Hall's Barney, apparently in great emotional distress, at of land, to be handed down to their children.)
-Committee on-Aerial Phenomena in Washing- same veil of darkness obscured Betty's memory house and cared for by his sisters, even though she
turer on the staff of the Hayden Planetarium in The trips were fruitless. Always, the same was a record of interracial relationships. His
Boston, received a letter~from Richard Hall, now curtain of darkness.descended for Barney after great-grandmother was' the _daughter of a white
assistant director of the National Investigations the critical moment at Indian Head. Always, the plantation owner. She was raised in the owner's
letter' included a copy of a letter Betty Hill had
written him. He suggested that Webb might want
to investigate the Hill case.
Webb was not impressed because the case
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a craft. He was extremely skeptical of this type
1961, with his-skeptical attitude unchanged: He were highly unlikely, although there is a rare psy- sary in New York, later on a more extensive scale
thought it was possible that the Hills might be choloeical phenomenon known as folie k deux, as Chief of Neuropsychiatry and Executive Offi-
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"sightings' in the past from highly irresponsible FOR A FULL YEAR, Barney continued with Dr. niques and procedures`ofhypnosis. In World War
people, none of whom had provided any kind of Stephens. One day, ding a discussion of hypno- II, he found it a remarkably useful adjunct in the
rational documentation. sis, Dr. Stephens indicated to Barney that simul- treatment of military psychiatric disorders, first
up somewhere, and I couldn't; I simply couldn't. sityand the Washington University School of , On December "14, 1963, Mr. Barney Hill,
Theirs was an iron-clad story." Medicine. During his psychiatric and neurologi- accompanied by his wife, arrived to keep his ap-
At the close of the session, Webb suggested cal training, he developed proficiency in tech- pointment for consultation. At Mr. Hill's request,
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them again and again. I tried to make them slip ---- Dr. Simon is a graduate of Stanford Univer- practice is much more restricted.
them together, separately, together, requestioned Boston psychiatrist and neurologist. cedures, though their place in civilian psychiatric
early evening. During that time, I cross-examined opinion of Dr. Benjamin Simon, the eminent Simon maintained his interest in these special pro-
,so amazed, impressed by both the Hills and their be present in the Hills' day-to-day relationships as,_ -Simon served as adviser and personally did the
accounts," Webb said later, "that we skipped husband and wife. But Dr. Stephens suggested scenes involving hypnosis and narcosynthesis.
lunch and went right through the afternoon and that it would be advisable'at this point to have the After leaving military service in' 1946, Dr.
terruptions until after eight that evening. "I was conditions for this. phenomenon did not seem to Be Light, at Mason General Hospital,-Colonel
afternoon and continued with only occasional in- and Betty Hill's experience, since most of the documentary on psychiatric treatment, Let There
seeking publicity, perpetrating a hoax or suffer wherein two people develop a psychotic condi- cer at Mason General Hospital, the Army's-chief
ing from a mental aberration. tion in which their beliefs and delusions are simi- psychiatric center in World War II. When John
His interview with the Hills began shortly lar. This seemed unlikely in the case of Barney Huston directed his outstanding motion-picture
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Barney's daily commuting drive from Ports-
mouth to his job in Boston, his night work sched-
ule, the-gnawing doubts about the Indian Head
experience, the discomfort of an ulcer all began
to take their toll. His condition was further com-
plicatedby the recurrence of elevated blood pres-
sure. Then, another disturbing symptom ap-
peared, contributing to his general distress. In
January of 1962, a series of warts developed in
an almost geometrically perfect circular ring in
the area of his groin.
By the summer of 1962, Barney's exhaus-
tion, and general physical illness prompted him
to seek medical aid for his overall condition, en-
tirely aside from the traumatic experience in the
White Mountains. The physician treated him for
elevated blood pressure and ulcers and finally
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the doctor saw the couple together and soon real-
ized that both needed help. They had brought
with them a copy of the NICAP report written by
Walter Webb.
Dr. Simon's attitude toward the subject of
UFOs was neutral. He was willing to accept what-
ever authoritative sources said about it.
Atthecloseofthesession, Dr. Simon decided
that one of his objectives was to open up the am-
nesia,,if this was what the condition turned out to
be. This symptom, usually responds particularly
well to hypnosis.
He planned to-begin the therapy with anat-
tempt to penetrate the amnesia, through hypnosis,
and to proceed from there as indicated by devel=opments. Dr. Simon also decided to tape-record
the therapeutic sessions, to preserve an accurate
record and to have the tape available for probable
later use in bringing the material into the'con-
sciousnessoftheHills undercontrolledconditions-.
Barney's and Betty's knowledge of hypnosis
was fragmentary. Dr. Simon explained that the
Hills would be brought into a condition some-
what akin to sleep, although not identical to it.
In a lecture some years before to The New
York Academy of Medicine, Dr. Simon discussed
hypnosis-and its function in medical and psychi-
atrirpractice:
"Who can hypnotize? Who can be hypno-
tized?" Dr. Simon asked in the lecture. "Any in-
telligent adult with appropriate knowledge of
'techniquecan hypnotize.... Psychotic individuals
and the, mentally; retarded are very -resistant, to
hypnosis. Most of these cannot be hypnotized....
"Will plays no part-whatever in hypnosis;
and the ^bei4f" afV-h otizability is a manifes-
tation of a weak will is-false....
"Hypnosis has gone through many periods
of enthusiastic acceptance and then ensuing re-
jection, as have some of our 'modern trends' in-
psychiatry. There is no doubt that these--symp-
toms (those removed by hypnosis) tend to recur
or to be replaced by more distressing symptoms,
unless the underlying emotional conflict (of
which the symptoms- are manifestations) is re-
solved. Unless the physician can be sure that he
will be able to continue-treatmene of the patient
after the removal of the symptoms, the symptoms
should not be removed by hypnosis.
"Many question whether a forcible break-
through of resistance (such asthat which is pro-
vided by hypnosis) is a desirable approach. In a-
variety of conditions, hysterical, psychosomatic
and others, hypnosis may help to shorten the time
of therapy-by facilitating the approach to uncon-
scious conflicts.... Hypnosis has dangers, and yet
it is-riot dangerous. The essential dangers lie in
its use by those not bound by a professional code
of ethics and who are not adequately trained."
As the Hills were to discover, they were in
cautious, medically conservativehands. They were
to run,into a stiff test of whatever beliefs they now
had as a result of their experience at Indian Head.
At-eight in the morning, on Saturday, Jan-
uary 4, 1964, the Hills arrived at the doctor's
;office for the first of three sessions in which the
doctor would repeatedly induce hypnosis- as a
conditioning process.
They responded well. The doctor was satis-
lied that they could attain the' depth of trance de-
sired., In exploring the amnesia, both the doctor
and the patients wouidie going-up a blind alley,
and the reinforcement of the hypnosis-would
make it possible to-maintain firm control in the
face of possible emotional-disturbances.
Barney's- nervousness increased somewhat curious thing happened. As I got ready for the,
as he prepared to undergo hypnosis for the first induction into hypnosis, I looked at my watch. It
time. Dr. Simon placed him by the large-desk must have been five minutes after eight. And he
in the near him,'in front of the desk and juto in front And as !at as time was and I was hypnotized.
concerned, I thought he
he
of a comfortable mS Simon began talking to me," was waking-me immediately. ButI looked at my
Barney watch, and it was after nine. Yet it seemed notime
recalls, "telling m,e that I was relaxing, and he at all. I recalled also, just- at the beginning of
had me clasp my hands together, and that they what must have been the trance, that he had
would be tight, tight, very tight, that I couldn't
open them no matter how hard- I tried. And I was
standing there, feeling very, very foolish, because
I thought if this is hypnosis, there is nothing to it.
I'm just humoring the man. I didn't want to hurt
his- feelings. I' think he stopped and placed, his
hands over my eyes so that they would close. I
said to-myself that I wasn't really hypnotized,
and when he'told me that I couldn't pull my and,I could feel no pain. The needle had pene-
hands apart, I knew that all I had to do was open trated` my skin, and there wasn't any blood. So I
in bringing to light unconscious memories, and
feelings. These may be intolerable to the'pa'tient
"After the first test," Barney Hill recalls, 'a
poked my hand with something that felt like the
bristle of a brush. I asked him if I could see this
done:-So the doctor put me in a trance again, and
told me to open my eyes, and that I would, re,
member this part of it. Then-he took a needlelike
instrument and pushed it against my hand, and
there was no pain, except perhaps like a bristle
of abrush. He put considerable pressure on it
my fingersand I could do it. But I just didn't feel began to realize that there were two things that
like opening my fingers. I didn't even feel I was could happen here: One, I could be hypnotized
asleep, but then I was aware that he was waking and made to forget that I had been hypnotized at -
me up, and asked me how I felt. And I felt very, all; two, I could be hypnotized, and if f was told
very good, very calm and comfortable. And I no I could remember, I would retain a knowledge of
longer had any fear of hypnosis." all that had taken place -under hypnosis."
The opening up of amnesia requires the
use of time regression, wherein the patient's mem-
ory becomes vivid and exact, where details long
forgotten to the conscious mind emerge sharply.
It is not-unusual for a person in hypnosis to recall
the names and color of the eyes of everyone at his
fifth birthday, party=if so requested. There is also
the tendency to relive, re-create, reenact the time
segment being recalled, so that the subject ac-
tually experiences emotions involved in the origi-
nal experience, a process referred to as abreaction.
The physician must always recognize the danger
CHAPTER,
"I a m; scared. God, I'm scared !
BARNNEY TOOK-HIS SEAT in front of the doctor's side with the binoculars.... AndI,look towards
desk. He started to reach for a cigarette, but upon the sky.... And I'm saying, hurry up, Betty, so I
hearing the key words from Dr. Simon, his eyes can get a look. And Betty passes the binoculars
closed;, and his head nodded.'His hands were to me. And I see that it's not-a satellite. It is a
folded-across his lap, and he gave the appearance plane. And I tell Betty this and give the binocu
of having dozed in an easy chair. The deep trance lars back to her. And I am satisfied.
was induced. The doctor began the session: DOCTOR: What kind of a plane was it?
DOCTOtt: Youare deeper and deeper asleep. Deep BARNEY: I look-and it is to the right. And it
asleep. You will remember everything now, and does not go where I thought it would go. It,does
you will tell me everything. And I want, you to
ell me, in full detail all your experiences; all of not go past me to the right, -my right shoulder. I_
t ouhts and all of think it will pass my right shoulder, off in the dis-
your
beginning
-g your feelings,
tance, going to the north. I am facing wesr_ and
nJier- recratzzz, zrz yretzie aelazi m e
visit to Montreal, the trip into Canada
and the upper part of Vermont and the,
drive down U.S. 3, Barney then men-
tioned the object in the sky: ;
BARNEY: I look up through the windshield of
the car, and I see a star. That's funny, but I said:
A faint trace of amazement-comer
into his voice. From his tone, it is, ap-
parent that he is reliving, not retelling,
the story.
DOCTOR: Does it have propellers?
Dr. Simon decided to take Barney first, hop-
ing- to regress him to the night of September 19,
1961, and have him- reveal every detail of the-
trip from Canada to Portsmouth: Since the trance-
would provide-details of marked clarity, and since
there was a reasonable expectation that Barney'-
would d bridge the amnesic gap-under-hypnosis,
the blocking off of his memory after each session
would permit Betty to give her own story in later
sessions .without being influenced by Barney.,
On February 22, 1964, Barney was ready to
make his excursion into the unknown.
Betty, that's a satellite. And then I pulled over BARNEY: I cannot tell. And I think this is strangei
to the side of the-road, and Betty jumped out her I cannot hear a motor, to know if it has propellers:
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And this object that was aplane-was' not a' him out of , the trance or to keep him
plane. It was-oh, it was funny. It was coming moving through the- experience for the
around towards us. I looked up and down the purposes of abreaction, the therapeutic
road. And I thought: How dark it is. What if a discharge of feeling.
bear was to come out? I returned to the car, DOCTOR: Go to sleep. You can forget now. You've
and said: Let's go Betty. It's-nothing but a plane: forgotten. You're calm now. Relaxed. Deeply re-
And they're coming over this way. They're chang- lazed. You do-not have to make an outcry. But
ing course. Probably it's a Piper Cub. you can remember it now. Keep remembering.
DOCTOR: A Piper Cub would only have one or You feel you have to get a weapon.
two windows, wouldn't it? You saw windows in
this plane? BARNEY: Yes. , l
DOCTOR: This is going to harm you, you felt:;
BARNEY: This is what Isaid,and this is what I
saw when I returned to my car. A Piper Cub...: BARNEY: Yes. I open the trunk of my car. I get
And I drive, and Betty is still looking. And she the tire wrench ... part of 'the jack. 'And I get
said: Barney, this is not a plane. It is still follow- back in the car.
ing us. And I stop and I look, and I see it is still Again, his panic is rising.
out there. Off in a distance. So I search for a place
to pull off the road. And I see a dirt road to the DOCTOR: All right. Just keep reasonably calm:
right of the main highway: 11 And I A think d :f this is BARNEY: And I keep it by me. And then I get
T
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1
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can Fu over. n any
ace w
ere
a goo
p
car comes, it won't strike me. And I get out of the
car, and I am thinking: This is strange.
out with the binoculars. And it is there. And I
look. And I look. And it is just over the field. And
I think, I think: I'm not afraid.... I'll fight it off.
He returns to the car. His tone re-' I'm not afraid! ... And I walk across the road.
Elects the strangeness now. There it is-up there! Ohhh, God!
BARNEY: 'Cause it is still there. And Betty said He again breaks into a scream.
-I think she said, I am mad with her. I say to my-
self: I believe Betty is' trying to make me think DOCTOR: Its there. You can see it. But it's not
this is a flying saucer-.... And I am wondering going to hurt you.
why doesn't it go away. And I stop, and I look BARNEY: Why doesn't it go away-Look at it!
again. And I see where it has gone up ahead of us There's a man there! Is-is-is he a captain?
on Cannon Mountain. And I think when I get -.What is he? He-he looks at me!
L d
it will e a goo
pareaast to look Oid
Man and o see the this thing. And I am going t DOCTOR: What does it looklik"enow?
to
report it. BARNEY: It looks-like a-big-pancake. With
DOCTOR: Do you still think it was a Piper Cub? windows-and rows of windows and lights. Not
lights, just one huge light.
BARNEY: I am wondering why these pilots are
DOCTOR: Rows of windows. Like a commercial
military. And they shouldn't do that. They will ~
make some person have an. accident by flying plane?
around like that. And what if they dived at me. BARNEY: Rows of windows. They're not like a,,
And the military should not do that.
DOCTOR: You are looking for a place where you
can stop and observe this. And Betty has been
constantly egging you on.
BARNEY: I want to wake up!
This is the reaction of a subject who
is about to experience a painful event, an
event that he can't face even in the
trance. Dr. Simon is alerted at this point
to the likelihood of a strong emotional
reaction.
DOCTOR: You're not going to wake up. You're
in a deep sleep. You are comfortable, relaxed. This
is not going to trouble you. Go on. You can re-
member everything now.
BARNEY It's right over my right! God! What
is it? [His voice begins to tremble.] And I try"to
maintain control, so Betty cannot tell I am scared.
God, I'm scared!
DOCTOR: It's all right. You can go right on, ex-
perience it. It will not hurt you now.
BARNEY: [Breaks into breathless sobbing, then
screams.] I gotta get a weapon!
He screams again. His sobs become
uncontrollable. The doctor must decide-
whether to impose an amnesia and bring
commercial plane. Because they curve around
the side of this-this pancake. I've got-I've got
-this can't be true. This isn't here. Ohhh, it's
still there. And I look-up and down the road.
Can't somebody come? Can't somebody come
and tell me this is not there? It can't be, but
The doctor feels that Barney may be
dreaming this. He explores this point.
DOCTOR: You'd had no sleep that evening?
BARNEY: I pinch my right arm....
a redheaded Irishman. I'don't know why. I think
I know why. Because Irish are usually hostile to-
Negroes. And when I see a friendly Irish person,
I react to him by thinking: I will be friendly. And
I think this one that is looking over his shoulder
is friendly.
DOCTOR: You say, "looking over his shoulder."
Was he facing away from you?
BARNEY: Yes. He was facing a wall.... And
there is an evil face on the-he looks like a, Ger-
man Nazi. He's a Nazi.... He had a ,black scarf
around his neck, dangling over his left shoulder.
DOCTOR:,He had a black scarf around his neck?
How could you see the figures so clearly at that
distance?
BARNEY: I was looking at them with binoculars.
DOCTOR: Oh. Did they have faces like other
people? You said one was like a redheaded Irish-
man.
BARNEY: His eyes were slanted. Oh-his eyes;
were slanted! But not like a Chinese-Oh! Oh! I
feel like a rabbit. I feel like a rabbit.
DOCTOR: What do you mean by that?
BARNEY: I was hunting for rabbits in Virginia.
And this' cute little bunny went into a bush that
was not very big. And my cousin Marge was on
one side of the bush, and I was on the other-'
with a hat. And the poor little bunny thought he
was safe. And it tickled me, because he was just
hiding behind a l tta which;;nieant security
to him-whe I' pounced on him and threw my
hat on him and captured the poor little bunny
who thought he was safe. Funny, I thought of
that-right out there on the field: I feel like a
DOCTOR: What was Betty doing all this time?
BARNEY: I; can't hear her.
DOCTOR: Did you make any outcry to her the way
you did to me? You would remember if you did.
BARNEY: I did not. I know this creature is telling
me something.
DOCTOR: Telling you something? How? How is
he getting it to you?
BARNEY: I can see it in his face. No, his lips are
not moving. And he's looking at me And he's
just telling me: Don't be afraid. I'm not a bunny.
I'm going to be . -.. I'm-going to be safe. He-didn't
tell ;me I was that bunny.
DOCTOR: Did you hear him tell you this?
}
BARNEY: Oh, no. He didn't say it.
DOCTOR: You felt he said it?
BARNEY: I know.
DOCTOR: You know he said it?
BARNEY: Yes. Just stay there, he said. It's pound-
ing in my head!! I gotta get away! I gotta get
away from here!
DOCTOR: All right. All right. Calm down..
How can you be sure he was telling you this?
BARNEY: His eyes! His eyes! I've never seen eyes
like that before.
After a brief exchange, the doctor is
satisfied that Barney was awake.
DOCTOR: You're clear now. Relaxed.
BARNEY: It's still there. If I let my binoculars
fall, and dangle from my neck-and start over
again, maybe it won't be there. But it is. Why?
What do they want? One person looks friendly
to me. And he's looking at me. .'. over his right
shoulder. And he's smiling. But.,. . but....
DOCTOR: Could you see him clearly?
BARNEY: Yes, I could.
DOCTOR: What was his face like? What did it
make you think of?
BARNEY: It was round. I think of-I think of-
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DOCTOR: You said they were friendly.
BARNEY: Not the leader's. I said the one look=
ing over his shoulder.
DOCTOR: How did you know the other one was
the leader?
BARNEY: Because everybody moved-everybody
was standing there looking at me. But everybody
moved. These levers were in the back.. . or they
went to a big board, it looked like a board. And
only this one with the black, black shiny jacket
and the scarf stayed at the window.
DOCTOR: He had slanted eyes. What did that
make you think of?
BARNEY: I don't know. I've never seen eyes
slanted like that. They began to be round-and
went back like that-and like that. And they went
up like that.... I'm driving.
DOCTOR: You're back in the car now?
BARNEY: Yes.... I'm getting a hold on myself.
I'm saying to myself: Remember, you've got for-
titude. You can drive a car. And I told Betty to
look out-and the object was still around us. I
could feel it around us. I saw it when we passed
by the object. When I got in the car, it had swung
around so that it was out there. I-I know it was
out there. Yeah-it's out there. But I don't know
where. That's funny. Ohhh, those eyes! They're
in my brain! Please can't I wake up?
DOCTOR: Stay asleep a little longer.... You'll get
through this all right. Follow your feelings. Tell
me. They won't upset you so much now.
BARNEY: They're there. Isn't that funny-all the
woods. That crazy dog. She stays in the car all
the time. Isn't that funny?
DOCTOR: She doesn't bark at anything?
BARNEY: She just stays there. I don't understand.
Are we being robbed? I don't know.
DOCTOR: What makes you think you're being
robbed?
BARNEY: I know what's in my mind, and I don't
want to say it.
DOCTOR: Well, you can say it to me. You can say
it now.
BARNEY: They're-men! All with dark jackets:
And I don't have any money. I don't have any-
thing. I don't know. Oh-oh, the eyes are there.
Always the eyes are there. And they're telling me
I don't have to be afraid.... I'm not even afraid
that they're not connected to a body. They're just
there. They're just up close to me, pressing against
my eyes. That's funny. I'm not afraid....
After a few more exchanges:
DOCTOR: All right. We'll stop there. You will
be calm and relaxed. You will forget everything
that we have had in this period together until I
ask you to recall it again. You will forget every-
thing we have talked about until I ask you to re-
call it again. It will not trouble you, it will not
worry you. You will remain comfortable and re-
laxed and have no pain, no aches, no anxiety. All
right, Barney, you may wake up now. You'll be
comfortable and relaxed.
BARNEY: Wow! Nine-thirty. Didn't you bring
me in here at five minutes after eight?
DOCTOR: Yes.
BARNEY: Where was I?
DOCTOR: Right here with me:
BARNEY: Where are my cig-was I about to reach
for a cigarette?
DOCTOR: Go ahead and have one. We'll continue
this next week. A week from today....
I was being signaled to stop. And I thought, I
wonder if there has been an accident. I do have
the tire wrench. I'll put it near my hand....
DOCTOR: What was it you saw down the high-
way?
BARNEY: I saw a group of men standing in the
highway. And it was brightly lit up, as if it were
almost daylight. It was not the kind of light of
day, but it was brightly lighted.... And they be-
gan coming towards me. And I did not think after
that of my tire wrench. And I became afraid if I
did think of this as a weapon, I would be harmed.
And if I did not, I would not be harmed. And they
came and assisted me out of the car. I felt very
weak, but I wasn't afraid. And .I can't even think
of being confused. I am not bewildered, I can't
even think of questioning what is happening....
My feet are dragging.... And I am not afraid.
I feel like I am dreaming.
DOCTOR: Where is Betty through all of this?
BARNEY: I don't know. I'm trying to think. I
don't know.
CHAPTER
The door to the past begins to open
ON FEBRUARY 29, 1964, the Hills arrived punc-
tually for their appointment. Betty sat in an outer
office. After asking Barney a few questions in
review, Dr. Simon put him into trance. Barney
again relived many of the experiences of his pre-
vious trance. Then:
BARNEY:... And I thought: How interesting,
there is the military pilot, and he is looking at me.
And there were several others looking at me, and
the men lined up at the window of this huge dir-
igible and were looking down at me. When they
moved to the back, and I continued to look at this
one man that stood there, and I kept looking at
him and looking at him.
DOCTOR: Is this the man you call the leader?
BARNEY: He was dressed differently. And I
thought of the Navy and the submarine, and I
thought the men that moved back were just
dressed in blue denims. But this other man was
dressed in a black shiny coat .with a cap on... :
And I thought: This is not going to harm me.
And I wanted to get back to Betty and discuss this
interesting thing we were looking at. And I kept
looking, and he looked at me, and then I came
back to the car. And I said: Betty, were you ex-
cited? And she said: Why didn't you come back?
I was screaming for you to come back. I could not
understand why you were going out across the
road.
DOCTOR: You hadn't heard her scream?
BARNEY: No, I did not hear her scream :: and
begin driving down the highway. And I drove
quite a few miles, and noticed I was not on Route
3....
Here, for the first time, the door to
the forgotten time period begins to open.
Barney's memory block had always ob-
scured what occurred on the field at In-
dian Head. Betty, also, had never been
able to bridge this point-unless, as she
thought, her dreams were based on reality.
BARNEY: And I could not understand that be=
cause it is a straight highway. And I looked, and
DOCTOR: Are these men part of your dream?
BARNEY: They are there, and I am there. I know
they are there. But-everything is black. My eyes
are tightly closed. I can't believe what I think.
DOCTOR: Is there anything else that you think
that you haven't told me?
BARNEY: Yes.
DOCTOR: You can tell me now.,
BARNEY: I am always thinking of mental pic-
tures because my eyes are closed. And I think I
am going up a slight incline, and my feet have
stopped bumping on the rocks. That's funny. I
thought of my feet bumping on the rocks. And
they are not going up smoothly. But I'm afraid to
open my eyes, because I am being told strongly by
myself to keep my eyes closed, and don't open
them. And I don't want to be operated on.
DOCTOR: You don't want to be operated on. What
makes you think of an operation?
BARNEY: I don't know.
DOCTOR: Have you ever been operated on?
BARNEY: Only for my tonsils.
DOCTOR: Does this feel like that time?
BARNEY: I think like that, but my eyes are closed,
and I only have mental pictures. And I am not
in pain. And I can feel a slight feeling. My groin
feels cold.
DOCTOR: Is that any feeling with the operation?
BARNEY: I'm not being operated on. I am lying
on something, and I think of the doctor putting
something in my ear. When I was a boy, the
doctor put something in my ear, and I looked up
at it, and he explained to me that you could peek
into the ear and light it up with this thing. And 'I
think of that.... And I feel like the doctor did
not pain me, and I will be very careful and be
very still and will cooperate, and I won't be
harmed.
DOCTOR: Where were you lying down?
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BARNEY: I thought I was inside something. But
I did not dare open my eyes. I had been told to
keep my eyes closed by the man I saw through
the binoculars.
DOCTOR: Was this one of the men in the road?
BARNEY: No. These men in the road ... they
took me and carried me up this ramp.
DOCTOR: Carried you up the ramp?
BARNEY: I know I was going up something, and
my feet were dragging.
DOCTOR: These are the men who flagged you
down?
BARNEY: Yes.
DOCTOR: How many were there?
BARNEY: I thought I saw a cluster of six men:
Because three of them came to me and three did
not.
DOCTOR: How were they dressed?
BARNEY: They were all in dark clothing. And
they were all dressed alike.
DOCTOR: Were they white men?
BARNEY: I don't know by the color. But they did
not seem that they had different faces from white
men....
DOCTOR: Did they tell you why they were stop=
ping you?
BARNEY: They didn't tell me anything. They
didn't say anything.
DOCTOR: Were these men holding you?
BARNEY: They were by my side, and I had a
funny feeling because I knew they were holding
me, but I couldn't feel them.... I felt floating,
suspended.... I opened my eyes.
DOCTOR: What did you see?
BARNEY: I saw a hospital operating room. It was
pale blue. Sky blue. And I closed my eyes.
DOCTOR: Do you remember the operating room
when you had your tonsils out? ... Was that op=
erating room in the hospital blue?
BARNEY: No. It was bright lights.... But this
room was not like that. It was spotless.
DOCTOR: Did you feel you were going to be
operated on?
BARNEY: No.
DOCTOR: Did you feel you were being attacked
in any way?
BARNEY: No.
DOCTOR: You said your groin felt cold.
BARNEY: I was lying on a table, and I thought
someone was putting a cup around my groin, and
then it stopped. And then I thought: How funny.
... If I keep real quiet and real still, I won't be
harmed. And it will be over. And I will just stay
here and pretend that I am anywhere and think
of God and think of Jesus, and think that I am
not afraid. And I am getting off the table, and
I've got a big grin on my face, and I feel greatly
relieved. And I am walking, and I am being
guided. And my eyes are closed, and I open my
eyes, and there is the car. And the lights are off,
and the motor is not running. And Delsey is under
the seat. And I reached under and touched her,
and she is in a tight ball under the seat, and I sit
back. And I see Betty is coming down the road,
and she gets into the car, and I am grinning at her
and she is grinning back at me. And we both
seem so elated, and we are really happy. And I'm
thinking: It isn't too bad. How funny. I had no
reason to fear. And we look, and I see a bright
moon. And I laugh, and say: Well, there it goes.
DOCTOR: You mean this object was gone?
BARNEY: Yes.... It was going.
DOCTOR: Going. Could you still see it?
BARNEY: It was a bright, huge ball. Orange. It
was a beautiful bright ball. And it was going.
And it was gone. And we were in darkness, and I
put on the lights of the car, and looked down the
road. And we began driving, and I could see a
slight incline, and then I drove and came back to
Route 3, because I was on a cement road. And
Betty and I feel, I feel real hilarious, like a feeling
of well-being and great relief.
DOCTOR: What were you relieved about?
BARNEY: I am relieved because I feel like I've
been in a harrowing situation, and there was
nothing damaging or harmful about it. And I feel
greatly relieved.
DOCTOR: And the flying object was gone?
BARNEY: Yes. Betty is giggling, and she said:
Do you believe in flying saucers now? And I
said: Oh, Betty, don't be ridiculous. Of course, I
don't. And we heard a beeping, and the car
buzzed, and I kept silent.
DOCTOR: You heard a beeping.
BARNEY: Beep-beep-beep-beep-beep.
DOCTOR: Did they sound like some of these beeps
you get on a radio, when you have code signals?
Or what did they sound like?
BARNEY: Beep-beep-beep.... I thought it
was strange.... And at the first beep or two, I
touched the steering wheel with my finger tips
because I thought I felt a vibration when I heard
the beep. And as it continued, Betty looked to the
back, and I slowed the car down and stopped.
And I said to Betty: Is there something shifting
in the car?
DOCTOR: Did she say anything about hearing
the beeps?
BARNEY: She said: What is that noise? And
we looked in the back, and Delsey had climbed
up on the back seat, and her ears were popped up,
and the beep, beep, beep. And I said: Oh, oh, do
you think the thing is still around? I called it a
thing; Betty called it a flying saucer. And we had
no answer.... I wonder if I can make the car do
that. So I drove the car fast and then would de-
celerate, rapidly. And I swerved over to the left
of the highway and back to the right. And I came
to a complete stop and accelerated rapidly. But I
could not seem to get that sound. And we drove
down the highway. And I saw the road for the ex-
pressway: 17 miles to Concord. And I drove to
Concord, and down Route 4....
A few minutes later:
BARNEY:... She asked me did I believe in fly-
ing saucers. And I did not want to say what I real-
ly believed.
DOCTOR: What did you really believe?
BARNEY: I believed that we had seen and been
a part of something different than anything I had
ever seen before.
DOCTOR: Did you fear you had been kidnapped?
BARNEY: I didn't use that word. I did not feel
that I had been kidnapped. But I think of kid-
napping when you are being harmed.
DOCTOR: And you weren't harmed?
BARNEY: No.
DOCTOR: You had no idea why this was done?
BARNEY: I was anxious to get home and look
at my groin.... I thought, this is proof that some-
thing happened to me. And I was unsure. And I
would waver, feeling that it can't be. And then I
would think: But it did happen. And I would
think: When I get home and look at my groin, I
will touch whatever touched me and see if there
is a mark. I drove home, and I went into the bath-
room and examined myself and saw nothing
wrong. And I went into the bedroom, and I kept
thinking that something is around me. I went to
thewindow, and I looked up into the morning sky,
and I went to the back door and opened it and
looked at the sky. And I thought: Something is
around, somewhere. And Betty and I retired, talk-
ing. Wasn't that strange, whatever happened.
And I could not remember anything that hap-
pened except that I was at Indian Head. And I
went to bed. And when we woke up, we decided
we would not ever tell anyone....
When the second session was finally over,
Dr. Simon reviewed the case in the first real light
that had been thrown on the amnesic period.
Although he was still somewhat skeptical at the
end of this session, he was beginning to believe
that some incident involving a UFO was at least
partly responsible for Barney Hill's severe emo-
tional upheaval. But he was baffled by the second
part of his patient's story-the part detailing the
supposed "abduction" by humanoid beings. He
hoped that Betty Hill could provide some ex-
planation for her husband's account, and he
scheduled a session the following week in which
she would retrace, under hypnosis, the long jour-
ney home.
In the next issue of LOOK: Under hypnosis, Betty Hill relives a strange physical ex-
amination aboard the UFO, describes an unusual book she tried to take from the
ship, a space map on the wall and recounts her conversations with the uniformed
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Part Two: An "abducted" woman describes her incredible experience
BY JOHN G. FULLER
RETURNING FROM a brief vacation in
Canada in September, 1961, Barney
and Betty Hill had a deeply disturb-
ing experience that they could re-
member only vaguely. They had
sighted what may have been an Unidentified
Flying Object that seemed to be following
their car. Their anxiety about the incident led
them to the office of Dr. Benjamin Simon, the
distinguished Boston psychiatrist, on Decem-
ber 14, 1963. Because of the cloudiness of the
Hills' conscious recollection of the episode,
Dr. Simon decided to use regression under
hypnosis in the hope that this would help
them reconstruct the event more clearly. He
also decided to tape-record these sessions for
later study and reference.
During World War II, Dr. Simon, as
Chief ofNeuropsychiatry and Executive Officer
at Mason General Hospital, the Army's chief
psychiatric center, had extensive experience
with hypnosis in the treatment of many psy-
chiatric disorders among military personnel.
Barney Hill, who is a Negro, told of the
journey from the Canadian border to their
home in Portsmouth, N. H., and described a
glowing UFO that seemed to follow them dur-
ing part of their trip. Under hypnosis, he re-
created the scene in much greater detail, and
added an incident he had not mentioned dur-
ing the earlier interview. The low-flying UFO
had descended, Hill told the doctor, and hu-
manoid creatures had then blocked the road.
They had "abducted" him and carried him
aboard the UFO for a strange physical exami-
nation. After several sessions with Barney, Dr.
Simon decided to question Betty Hill, who is
white, under hypnosis the following week.
Within the first moments of her trance,
Betty Hill told a story that was remarkably
similar to the one Dr. Simon had heard from
her husband. After she and Barney made a
numberofstops in an attempt to observe the ob-
ject more clearly, she said, they reached a point
in the road where she saw "men standing in
the highway ... and these men started to come
up to the car.... They came in two groups......
At that point, "a kind of daze" overcame her.
The men took them both from the car,
she said. ". . . And I turn around, and I say:
'Barney! Wake up!'... And he doesn't pay any
attention. He keeps walking."
One of the men walking beside Betty
said: "Don't be afraid. We're not going to
harm you."
DOCTOR: These men spoke good English?
BETTY: Only one spoke.... He had sort of a
foreign accent.... We kept walking, and we
came to a clearing.... The object was on the
ground.... I think it was the same one I had
been watching in the sky.... And they're tak-
ing me up to the object. I didn't want to go on
it. The man beside me says to go on.... So he
and one of the others each take my arms.... I
go inside, and there's a corridor. We go up the
corridor, and there's a room.... I turn around,
and I'm waiting for them to bring Barney in.
But they lead Barney right past the door where
I'm standing. I said: What are you doing with
Barney? Bring him in here where I am. And
the man said: No, we only have equipment
enough in one room to do one person at a time.
And if we took you both in the same room, it
would take too long.... Another man comes
in.... I think he's a doctor.... They push up
the sleeve of my dress, and they look at my
arm ... and then they turn my arm over, and
they look at the underside.... And they rub,
they have a machine ... it's something like a
microscope, only a microscope with a big lens.
... I had an idea they were taking a picture of
my skin.... And then they took something
like a letter opener-only it wasn't-and they
scraped my arm.... And there was like little
-you know-how your skin gets dry and flaky
sometimes, like little particles of skin? And
they took a piece of cellophane or plastic or
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"They" seem puzzled
by time and aging
something like that, and they scraped, and they
put the flakes on this plastic.... And the leader
of the group puts it in the top drawer. And then
they put my head ... in this thing that holds your
head.... And the examiner opens my eyes and
looks into them with a light, and he opens my
mouth, and he looks in my throat and my teeth
and in my ears.... And then he takes like a-oh,
a swab-and he puts it in my left ear, and he puts
this on another piece of this material. And the
leader rolls it all up and puts it in the top drawer
too. Then they take a couple of strands of my hair,
and they pull it out, and he gives this to the leader,
and he wraps that up and puts that in the top
drawer.... And then he feels my neck, behind my
ears, under my chin, around my collar bone, and
-oh-and then they take off my shoes and look
at my feet and at my hands.... And he takes
something, and he goes underneath my finger-
nail, and then he ... cut off a piece of my finger-
nail. And then the doctor, the examiner, tells me
to take off my dress ... and so I slip my dress off.
... I lie down on the table, on my back, and he
brings over this-oh, how can I describe it? They're
like needles, a whole cluster of needles, and each
needle has a wire going from it.... They touch me
with the needles.... It doesn't hurt at all.... He
puts it on my knee, and my leg jumps. And then
on my foot too. He did it around my ankle. And
then they have me roll over on my stomach and
they touch all along my back.... Then they roll
me over on my back, and the examiner had a long
needle in his hand.... And I ask him what he's
going to do with it... and he said he just wants to
put it in my navel, it's just a simple test. And I tell
him, no, it will hurt, don't do it, don't do it. And
I'm crying, and I'm telling him: It's hurting, it's
hurting, take it out, take it out! And the leader
comes over, and he puts his hand, rubs his hand
in front of my eyes, and he says it will be all right,
I won't feel it.... The pain goes away. But I'm
sore from where they put that needle.
DOCTOR: Did they make any sexual advances to
you?
BETTY: No.... I asked the leader, I said: Why
did they put that needle into my navel? And he
said it was a pregnancy test. I said I don't know
what they expected, but that was no pregnancy
test. And he didn't say any more....
DOCTOR: All right. We'll stop here now.
The Hills returned to the office for
Betty's second session on March 14, 1964.
DOCTOR: About this needle. How far in did he
inject the needle?
BETTY: Oh, it was a long needle. I don't know,
I thought it-I didn't look, but I would say the
needle was four inches long, six, maybe.... Some-
thing like a tube was attached to it. They didn't
leave it in very long. Just for a second.
DOCTOR: What kind of pain was it?
BETTY: All I could think of was a knife.... Then,
I was grateful to the leader for stopping the pain
Bothered at first by the account given by
the Hills, Dr. Simon (above) was con-
vinced after a few sessions that they were
telling him the truth as they understood
it. The Hills (right) stand near the
scene of their disturbing experience.
... then they said that was the end of the testing.
And the leader helped me up.... I put my dress
on. And I was going to zip it up, and he took hold
of the zipper and zipped it up. And then-oh, I
said: I can go now? I can go back to the car? And
he said: Barney isn't ready yet.... He said that
they were doing a few more tests with him, but
he'd be right along in a minute.... I started talk-
ing with the leader. And I said to him that this
had been quite an experience.... That no one
would ever, ever believe me.... And that what I
needed was some proof that this had really hap-
pened. He laughed and said what kind of proof
did I want? ... And I said, well, if he could give
me something to take back with me, then people
would believe it. And so he told me to look
around and maybe I could find something I would
like to take. And I did-and there wasn't much
around-but on the cabinet, there was a book, a
fairly big book ... and I said: Could I have this?
And he told me to look in the book, and I did. It
had pages, it had writing, but nothing like I had
ever seen before.... The writing didn't go across,
it went up and down.
DOCTOR: Did it look like any language that you
know or was it in English?
BETTY: No, it wasn't in English.
DOCTOR: What language do you know that goes
up and down?
BETTY: I don't know it, but I can recognize it. I
can't read it: Japanese.
DOCTOR: Japanese. Did this look like Japanese?
BETTY: No.
DOCTOR: Was it writing or printing?
BETTY: It was different ... it had sharp lines, and
they were, some were very thin, and some were
medium, and some were very heavy. It had some
dots. It had straight lines and curved lines. And
the leader laughed, and he asked me if I thought
I could read it. And I told him no ... but this was
going to be my proof that this happened.... And
so he said that I could have it.... And I was de-
lighted.... And so then I said ... I knew he wasn't
from the earth, and I wanted to know where he
did come from. And he asked me if I knew any-
thing about the universe. And I told him, no, I
know practically nothing.... And he went across
the room and pulled out a map, and he asks me
had I ever seen a map like this before.... There
were all these dots on it, scattered all over it. Some
were little, just pinpoints. And others were as
big as a nickle. And there were lines ... going
from one dot to another. And there was one big
circle, and it had a lot of lines coming out from
it. A lot of lines going to another circle quite
close, but not as big. And these were heavy lines.
And I asked him what they meant. And he said
that the heavy lines were trade routes. The other
lines, the solid lines, were places they went oc-
casionally. And he said the broken lines were ex-
peditions.... I asked him where was his home
port, and he said: Where are you on the map? I
looked and laughed and said I don't know. So he
said: If you don't know where you are, then there
isn't any point of my telling where I am from.
And he put the map away.... And I thought:
Well, I still have the book.... All of a sudden,
some men came in with the examiner. They are
quite excited.... The examiner has me open my
mouth, and he starts checking my teeth. And he
tugs at them. I asked what they are trying to do.
... The examiner says they could not figure it
out-Barney's teeth came out and mine didn't. I
was really laughing and said Barney had dentures,
and I didn't. They asked me: What are dentures?
And I said people as they got older lost their
teeth. They go to a dentist and get dentures. Or a
person sometimes-Barney had to have dentures
because he had a mouth injury. He had to have
his teeth extracted.... I said it happens to almost
everyone as they get older. And he said: What
is older? I said: Old age. So he said: What is old
age? And I said-well it varied, but as a person
gets older, there are changes in him, particularly
physical. He begins to sort of break down with
age. So he said, what did I mean by age? And I
said the life span-the length of time people live.
He said, how long was this? And I said, well,
about 100 years at the most. People can die be-
fore that-most of them do.... I think the aver-
age length of time ... I don't know ... was 65 or
70. So he said, 65 or 70 what? I said: Years. He
said: What is a year? And I said it had to do with
how many days, and the days had so many hours,
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and the hours had so many minutes.... I tried to
explain, but he did not understand.... I said, all
these things you ask me-I am a very limited per-
son, when trying to talk to you. But there are
other people in this country who would be most
happy to talk with him, and they could answer all
his questions. And maybe if he could come back,
all his questions would have answers. But if he
did, I wouldn't know where to meet him. And he
laughed and said: Don't worry, if we decide to
come back, we will be able to find you. We always
find those we want to.... And then Barney is
coming.... I hear the men out in the corridor.
And I said: Barney's coming. And he said: Yes,
you can go back to the car now. And I got the
book, and Barney is coming ... and his eyes are
still shut! He missed an awful lot.... And then
we are out in the corridor.... I am all ready to
go down the ramp when some of the other men-
not the leader, but some of the others-are talk-
ing. They are very excited. And then the leader
comes over and takes my book. And I say-ohh-
I'm furious. And I said: You promised that I could
have the book! And he said: I know, but the
others object. But, I said, this is my proof. And he
said: That is the whole point. They don't want
you to know what has happened. They want you
to forget....
Now, she speaks as if talking to the
leader. She screams with intense emotion.
I won't forget about it! You can take the
book, but you can never, never make me forget!
. I'll remember it if it is the last thing I do! And
he laughs and says: Maybe you will remember.
But I hope you won't. And it won't do you any
good if you do, because Barney won't.... It would
be better if you forgot it anyway. I was standing
there by the side of the ramp, and I'm not so mad
now. They have taken Barney ahead.... I said: I
do wish I could have some proof of this, because
it is the most unbelievable thing that ever hap-
pened. We were walking and ... he said: I am
going to leave you here.... And he said he was
sorry that I was badly frightened in the begin-
ning. And I said, well, this has been a new experi-
ence, and I don't know what was happening. But
I certainly wasn't afraid now. And then they all
turned around and started to go back. And I get
up to the car, and Barney is inside. Barney is still
in a daze, but his eyes are open, and he is acting
more normally now.... And the object starts
glowing again-it is getting brighter and brighter.
. Now, it rises and goes down, and there is a
dip, and then-zoom-it keeps going away far-
ther and farther.... And Barney starts the car,
and we start to ride. And I'm just so happy, and
I said: Well, Barney, now try to tell me that you
don't believe in flying saucers. And Barney said:
Oh, don't be ridiculous! And I think he is joking.
But then, all of a sudden, we got this beep-beep-
beep-beep-beep on the trunk of the car again.
DOCTOR: This is the second time you are getting
the beep?
BETTY: Yes. And I said: Well, I guess that is their
farewell. They are off, wherever they are going.
And I don't know, it is just so fantastic I suppose
we should forget all about it.... I kept looking
all the way home.... I think I wanted to forget
about it. I might as well. What could I do about
it? But I wonder if they ever will come back. I go
around looking for them....
DOCTOR: Why would you want to keep it a secret?
BETTY: Because I wanted to please the leader, be-
cause he told me to forget about it.
DOCTOR: Why did you want to please this leader
so much?
BETTY: I don't know....
At the conclusion of Betty's story,
the doctor brought Barney in and put
him under hypnosis to check his account
against Betty's version. In trance, Barney
is now aboard the craft.
BARNEY:... I was afraid to open my eyes. I had
been told not to open my eyes, and it would be
over with quickly. But occasionally, I peeked.
And I could feel them examining me with their
hands.... They looked at my back, and I could
feel them touching my skin right down my back.
As if they were counting my spinal column. And
I felt something touch right at the base of my
spine. . . . And my mouth was opened, and I
could feel two fingers pulling it back. And then
. something scratched very lightly, like a stick,
against my left arm. Only one man seemed to be
moving around my body all the time. Then my
shoes were put back on, and I stepped down. And
I think I felt very good because I knew it was
over. And again, I was led to the door where my
feet kicked against this thing at the very bottom
of the door, like a high doorjamb. And I stepped
over it, and ... I went down and opened my eyes
and kept walking. And I saw my car, and the
lights were out.... And I couldn't understand. I
had not turned off the lights. I got in and felt for
Delsey, the dog.... And Betty was coming down
the road....
DOCTOR: Was she alone?
BARNEY: She was alone. And she was grinning.
... And she got into the car and said: Well, no
one will believe this.... And I was thinking what
had happened, and that we were sitting there,
looking down the road, and I could see this glow
get brighter and brighter. And we said: Oh, my
God, not again. And away it went. And then I
put on the lights and started the car up, and drove
silently down the road.
DOCTOR: What did you say to Betty?
BARNEY: Betty said to me: Well, do you believe
in flying saucers? And I said: Oh, Betty, don't
be ridiculous.
DOCTOR: Did you tell her about your experience
in this vehicle?
BARNEY: I had forgotten the experience.
Both Betty and Barney maintained,
under the doctor's questioning, that their
memories of the "abduction" were com-
pletely obscured after they left the ve-
hicle. The doctor continued probing.
DOCTOR: Did she tell you about her experience?
BARNEY: No. She did not.
DOCTOR: Then neither of you spoke about your
experience in the vehicle?
BARNEY: No.
DOCTOR: Why not?
BARNEY: I didn't remember it.,
DOCTOR: I see. This memory had just been wiped
out? Do you think that she had seen the vehicle?
BARNEY: I didn't know.
DOCTOR: And you don't know it today?
BARNEY: No.
DOCTOR: All right, then. We'll stop there.
Dr. Simon had already decided that the Hills
were not lying, and he felt it highly improbable
that both were suffering so markedly similar hal-
lucinations. He still wished to explore in detail
the possibility that the experience they both de-
scribed was an illusion-an elaboration of some
far more limited actual experience.
After the first session with Barney, the doc-
tor had assumed that Barney had all the illu-
sions and fantasies and that Betty had absorbed
them from him. But at the end of Betty's second
trance, it appeared that the reverse of the doctor's
initial assumption might be true. Dr. Simon rea-
soned that most of the things Barney told of ex-
periencing in the "abduction" portion of the in-
cident were also included in Betty's story. On the
other hand, very little of Betty's "abduction" se-
quence was included in Barney's story. His recall
of being taken through the woods was vaguer
than hers. Betty's story of the examination aboard
the craft was much more detailed than his.
If Dr. Simon's assumptions were correct,
then the question of how Betty's dreams were
absorbed by Barney would have to be carefully
examined.
T A THE NEXT SESSION, March 21, 1964,
the doctor talked with Barney on a con-
scious level before putting him into a
trance. Barney told the doctor that for
the first time in his life he had dreamed
about UFOS, on three different nights during the
past week. In the dreams, Barney was standing on
the ground, looking at UFOs in the sky, and Betty
was screaming about them.
DOCTOR: Betty had been troubled with dreams
and nightmares?
Now, in trance....
BARNEY: Yes.... She said that she had a dream,
and that she had been taken aboard a UFO. And
that I was also in her dream and was taken aboard.
DOCTOR: How did she tell you this?
BARNEY: Usually, when someone was visiting.
... She would tell that she had gone into the UFO
and talked to the people on board. And she was
told that she would forget. And she told these
people in the UFO that she would not forget. And
I told her they were only dreams, and that I can't
believe that, whatever these things are. But she
says no. That somehow she feels there is a con-
nection between these dreams and what hap-
pened. Because she has never dreamed of UFOs
before. And she would tell that they stuck some-
thing in her navel. And she was not telling this
to me, but I would be listening as she told this to
Walter Webb, scientific adviser to the National
Investigations Committee on Aerial Phenomena,
as she told about the UFO sighting that we had
had....
DOCTOR: But she did tell you something about
them? continued
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"Could she have planted these thoughts?" Dr. Simon asked Barney Hill.
BARNEY: Only that they had come into the room
with my teeth, and they were quite startled that
my teeth would come out and hers would not.
DOCTOR: How about the other things you de-
scribed to me, about what happened to you when
they were examining you. Did she tell you about
that?
BARNEY: No. She never told me that. I was lying
on the table, and I felt them examining me.
DOCTOR: Is this part of Betty's dream?
BARNEY: I am telling you what actually hap-
pened. At the time Betty was telling about her
dream, I was very puzzled, because I never knew
this happened....
DOCTOR: Now, what about these men on the
road? Are you sure they were there? ... Did you
dream this?
BARNEY: No. I did not dream it.
DOCTOR: You mean these men actually stopped
you?
BARNEY: Yes.
DOCTOR: All right. Go on from there.
BARNEY: And I started to get out of my car. And
I felt myself supported by two men, and my eyes
were closed....
It was obvious to the doctor that
Barney was going to stick to his previous
story.
DOCTOR: Just a minute. Didn't Betty tell this to
you while you were asleep?
BARNEY: No. Betty never told me this.
DOCTOR: How do you account for this? Do you
think it really happened?
BARNEY: It did happen. I don't want to remem-
ber it. I suppose I won't remember it.
DOCTOR: Who told you you won't remember it?
BARNEY: I was told in my mind that I would for-
get that it happened. It was imprinted on my
mind.
DOCTOR: Imprinted on your mind? Who told
you?
BARNEY: I thought it was the man I saw looking
down at me, and I was looking back at him....
DOCTOR: You said before that you don't know
what happened-but you also said that Betty told
you a lot about what happened in her dream.
BARNEY: She told me about herself. I did not
know about what happened to Betty on the high-
way, but I never believed her dreams.
DOCTOR: If you don't believe her dreams, why do
you believe yours?
BARNEY: I never dreamed about UFOS until last
Sunday.... I had them on Sunday night and on
Tuesday night and on Wednesday night. And this
is the first time I have ever dreamed of UFOs.
DOCTOR: You told me some time ago that you
felt disassociated when you saw this UFO. What
did you mean by that?
BARNEY:... As if I had my body moving, and yet
my thinking was separate from it.... And I never
experienced this feeling again until I was in your
office. And you made a little doggy come into
the room. And I got hypnotized, and it made it
seem as if the little doggy was there.
He is referring to a test the doctor
made with him.
DOCTOR: This was an hallucination then, was it?
BARNEY: That was an hallucination.
DOCTOR: Then, how about this story of being
kidnapped? Couldn't that have been an hallucina-
tion too?
BARNEY: I wish I could think it was an hallucina-
tion.... I feel very sure it happened.
DOCTOR: Did these men speak to you?
BARNEY: Only the one I thought was the leader.
... He did not speak by word. I was told what to
do by his thoughts making my thoughts under-
stand....
DOCTOR: Was this some kind of mental telepa-
thy?
BARNEY: I could understand his thoughts. His
thoughts came to me, like I feel your thoughts-
when you talk to the, that is. And I know you are
there, and yet my eyes are closed. And you ask me
questions. And I know you are there, but I don't
know where....
DOCTOR: Didn't Betty hypnotize you?
BARNEY: No. Betty did not hypnotize me.. .
DOCTOR: Do you often sense her thoughts?
BARNEY: Yes, we sometimes do this.... We some-
times try to see if we can sense what the other is
thinking. It's not too effective.
DOCTOR: Could she have planted all these
thoughts about the UFO in your mind? You said
that she wanted to hypnotize you.
BARNEY: I know Betty didn't hypnotize me. I
wanted to think she had hypnotized me. I wanted
to think that the object wasn't there.... And yet
it kept staying and going down the highway with
us....
T THE END of this trance, Barney said to
Dr. Simon: "I'm puzzled.... I can re-
member things ... about today's ses-
sion that I couldn't remember about
any session that we had."
DOCTOR: What do you remember now?
BARNEY: About the UFO sighting that I was talk-
ing about and-uh-certain things puzzled me
that I could not quite understand.... We would
talk about our sighting, and I would ... come
right up to the men in the craft turning to the
panel. And I never could go further than that.
But now I can almost see just what that fellow
looked like that was looking down at me.... And
when I said that he was going to capture me, uh,
I used to remember that-but never could remem-
ber why I felt he was going to capture me....
DOCTOR: Well, now, some strange things from
here on out will occur to you as we go along. And
you're going to become more and more conscious
of what is going on in hypnosis.
Up to this time, neither Barney nor
Betty had been allowed to recall what
happened in the hypnosis sessions. But
instructions from the doctor to permit
this are now beginning to take effect.
Barney is dismissed. Betty is brought
back and put in trance.
DOCTOR: Now, your dreams-Were they the
things that happened in this experience you
thought you had? The dreams were of being
placed aboard this vehicle?
BETTY: The dreams were something like it, but
... there were still a lot of differences.... In my
dreams, the last dream I had was of being cap-
tured.... I could see the men in the road, and
then they were trying to pull me on to this object.
And it seems as though in my dreams, I walked
up some steps. Oh-and I dreamed of them put-
ting a needle in my navel. I dreamed this....
DOCTOR: Did Barney know? ... Did you tell him
about your dreams?
BETTY: I told him I had dreams. He wouldn't-
he didn't like to hear about them....
DOCTOR: Did you tell anyone these dreams in
Barney's presence?
BETTY: I think he must have heard me talk about
them.
DOCTOR: Didn't all these things that you feel
happened-didn't they happen in your dreams?
Couldn't this all have been in your dreams?
BETTY: No.
DOCTOR: Why do you feel sure of that?
BETTY: Because of the discrepancies.
DOCTOR: Tell me about the discrepancies that
make it clear that it couldn't have been your
dreams.
BETTY: Well, I dreamed in my dreams I walked
up steps. And here, I didn't walk up steps. I
walked up a ramp.
DOCTOR: Is that a very significant difference, do
you think?
BETTY: I don't know.... But the map-I could
almost-in here ... in here, I could almost draw
it. If I could draw, I could draw the map.... I
can't draw perspective.
DOCTOR: Well, if you remember some of this
after you leave me, why don't you draw it....
BETTY: I'll try to.
DOCTOR: How can you account in this experience
for these men who seemed to speak our language
and yet didn't know a lot of things about our lives.
Like dentures? You felt they came from another
world, didn't you?
BETTY: Ummm-yes.
.DOCTOR: Did you feel that they could communi-
cate with you in any other way than words? Were
they able to transfer thoughts?
BETTY: I don't know about thoughts.
DOCTOR: Have you been able to transfer your
thoughts to anyone or receive someone else's
thoughts?
BETTY: Barney and I are always saying the same
thing at the same time. That type of thing.
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.FLYING SAUCER continued
DOCTOR: Are who going to come back?
BETTY (Laughing) : The UFO. The people on it.
We are quite convinced that they are going to
come back and get us.... And I think this is
because-because they had told us to forget about
it. And we defied them by not forgetting about
it. And he's feeling guilty, probably feeling that
he deserves to be captured again....
Barney was full of doubts and con-
fusion as the recall of the sessions with
Dr. Simon began to flood back to him.
He revealed this on the morning of
March 28.
BARNEY: I just can't seem to believe-well, I'm
just flabbergasted....
DOCTOR: Flabbergasted about what?
BARNEY: At what I remembered from our ses-
sions last week ... This business of seeing a UFO,
an object, and personal contact with it seems to
stretch my imagination as to the incredibility of
the whole thing. I wanted to ask you: What are
the elements, what are the chances of a person,
uh, hallucinating something? I want to know the
answers to these things.... I had never dreamed
consciously of a UFO in my life until here re-
cently. And I wanted to ask: Is it possible I could
have dreamed of a UFO unconsciously and not
have had-To clarify what I am saying: I have
had many dreams over many periods of times of
my life, and in many instances, I can't recall what
I dreamed about. But I do know that it was along
a certain particular line. If I had dreamed of being
in Philadelphia, I would waken and forget the
dream. But I would know that somehow that
dream content was somewhere in Philadelphia,
and I would not be totally unaware. But I had
never, to my knowledge, dreamed of a UFO until
recently.... Could I, after 1961, have dreamed of
a UFO and then under hypnosis my dream is com-
ing out?
DOCTOR: You're asking me could it have been a
dream.... What do you think? Could it have
been?
Atpheretz ?
Barney Hill, under hypnosis, drew the
above sketch of the "leader" of the al-
leged abductors. Later, while he was
listening to the tape recording of his
own account of the incident, he seemed
to go into a trancelike state, and
drew the more finished sketch below.
The eyes were elongated, he said, and
the lips appeared to have no muscles.
Under hypnosis, Betty Hill described a map she was shown
"by the leader aboard the ship." Later, she sketched it.
She said she was told that the heavy lines marked regular
trade routes, and the broken lines recorded various space
expeditions. The following year, the map seen at right was
published in the New York Times. (Note the caption.)
Mrs. Hill, struck by the similarity between the Times
map and her sketch, then added the corresponding names.
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Hill has nightmares about the possible return of the UFO
DOCTOR: Well, do you communicate in any other
ways? Could you have communicated all this to
Barney through thought transference?
BETTY: No. I don't know as I could believe to
that extent. Like, sometimes I used to have a
teacher in college, and I would sit in the front
row.... And I would think: Scratch your face,
you know, scratch your leg. And then wait to see
how long it would take him to do it.
DOCTOR: But you had no such communication
between yourself and these strangers?
BETTY: I don't know if I did hear them in En=
glish.... I've been telling myself I heard them in
English, with an accent. But I don't know.
DOCTOR: Well, did you hear them in any lan-
guage? Or was it by thought transference?
BETTY: I knew what they were saying.
DOCTOR: You knew what they were thinking.
You rather liked this leader, didn't you?
BETTY: I was afraid of him at first.
DOCTOR: But afterwards?
BETTY: I-you know-began to feel that they
weren't going to harm me....
-After the Hills had left, the doctor
dictated a brief summary: "There seem
to be indications that a great deal of the
experience was absorbed by Barney Hill
from Betty, in spite of his insistence that
this was his own.... The implications
are self-evident, and it is planned now to
continue these interviews at a more con-
scious level. Both of them appear to have
been remembering more now after the
sessions."
On March 28, Dr. Simon asked
Betty: "Do you recall much of your ex-
perience now?"
BETTY: Yes, I think so. I've also had a couple of
nightmares again.... And Barney's been having
nightmares all week. He seems to be trying to
figure this out: Are they going to come back?
BARNEY: Well, now, in the truthful answer, try-
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culed, I would say it was something that hap-
pened. But I - I - I put a protective coating on my-
self, because I don't want to be ridiculed.... I
knew I saw a large object. I knew this, but I didn't
think much of it.
DOCTOR: Well, you were pretty well convinced of
having sighted something. But you have some
doubts in mind about the rest. Of whether it was
reality, or dream, or what it was.... Then, why
would you and Betty have the same experience?
Could you give me some possible explanation
there?
BARNEY: Uh, these are the questions I'm asking.
Could she have influenced me?
DOCTOR: Well, you were always afraid she would
influence you, weren't you?
BARNEY:... When I was standing out there, I
knew she wasn't influencing me. What I was
thinking is that I would rather not talk about it.
Okay, we see something, now let's get in our ear
and drive about our business. And this irritated
me when-she kept- saying: But look, it's right
over there. And even as I would slow down to
take a peek, I would see this object out there. And
this greatly irritated me. And so I said: What are
you trying to do? Make me see something that
isn't there? Knowing that it was there, and not
wanting it to be there. And I think this is a part
of why I'm confused....
As the discussion continued, Barney brought
up the fact that the small circle of warts that had
developed in an almost geometrically perfect
circle around his groin some four months after
the incident at Indian Head had become inflamed
after his therapy with Dr. Simon had begun. As
the conscious memory of what he had revealed
under hypnosis came back to him, he became
aware of the recollection that in the examina-
tion on the craft, a circular instrument had been
placed at exactly the-same-point where the warts
had now appeared. He wondered: Had these
been caused by the examination and the instru-
ment used? Barney was also intelligent enough
to realize that the reverse could be true: The
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Dr. Simon accepted a sighting, but found the abduction improbable
warts might be a psychosomatic symptom con-
nected with the feelings experienced under hyp-
nosis. And yet, Barney reasoned, they had initially
appeared back in 1962, when he had no conscious
memory of the events aboard the craft. Now, in
1964, during the sessions, they became inflamed.
Neither Dr. Simon nor the skin specialist
appeared to be concerned about the warts, which
were easily removed by electrolysis. But to Bar-
ney, the gnawing thought remained that this
could be evidence-if indeed there was anything
to this totally incredible story.
On April 5, 1964, the day of the next ses-
sion, the Hills knew they might be permitted to
hear some of the playbacks of the tapes.
DOCTOR: Well, I think now we want to talk to
the two of you together a bit and see where we
go from there.... What I'd like to do is to get
this into consciousness and discuss it freely. There
are two things involved. I mean each of you has
had a common experience, and you have had
separate experiences. I can take you each indi-
vidually, and then together, or just take you two
together. How do you feel about it?
BARNEY: I think that we can work together, don't
you, Betty?
Betty nods in agreement.
DOCTOR: So you can get a complete sharing of
this thing, and see it from each other's side. All
right. Number two: I can talk about it, and give
you the experiences. Or we can take a certain
amount of risk in terms of your anxiety by going
over all this together and playing it back.
BETTY: Play it back.
DOCTOR: There is quite a bit of it, and it's prob-
ably the better way, and I think that I would
rather not discuss the realities and fantasies until
you've really gotten all the material that I have,
of which you are unconsciously aware, but of
which you know little consciously at this point.
.. Now, if these recordings get hard to bear-and
some of it isn't going to be easy to take-let me
know right away, and I can always help ease you.
"When I first began hearing my voice under
hypnosis," Barney said later, "I couldn't believe it.
It was difficult for me to really understand that
this was me, saying that this has actually hap-
pened.... I wasn't too concerned about the first
part of the tapes-coming down through Canada
and upper New Hampshire. I remembered practi-
cally all this detail in my consciousness. But as the
tapes moved along toward Indian Head, I didn't
know what was going to happen. I could feel my
ulcer. I mean I could feel my stomach churning,
my muscles tighten. I just didn't know what to
expect...."
Betty's reaction was similar: "I began to get
scared. I said to myself, 'Oh, good Lord-I'd just
as soon go home and not hear them!' "
Slowly, the tape approached the portion in-
volving the "abduction" at Indian Head. "I knew
I was getting to the point of which I had no com-
plete memory," Barney continues, in describing
his reaction at a later date. "Then, I was suddenly
startled.... I heard myself saying that the eyes
seemed to be burning into my senses like an in-
delible imprint. And I began to feel the pieces un-
folding. I was beginning to remember.... I sud-
denly realized how I had broken my binocular
straps [by pulling them from his neck violently
after seeing the figures aboard the UFO]. And I
remembered that for days after Indian Head, I
had an intense soreness in the back of my neck.
Listening to the tapes, this came back to me
sharply.... As the tapes went deeper and deeper
into the part I had never remembered, there was
the feeling as if heavy chains were lifted off my
shoulders. I felt that I need no longer suffer the
anxieties of wondering what happened....
"At the part of the tapes where my voice
said that I was just 'floating about,' I then knew
that I wasn't really floating about. I was being
half-dragged to the ship. I could actually feel be-
ing suspended with the arms holding me. And
what was so curious is that I could feel the pres-
sure of the arms. When I talk about this, I feel
chills about the whole thing, the pressure of the
arms, of these small men holding me and drag-
ging me along.... I knew, I felt, I was almost sure
as I listened to the tapes that this was no fantasy
or dream...."
Barney continued to sum up his overall re-
action: "I felt so overwhelmed and relieved.
Now, parts of my life that had been missing were
added to it again. Parts of my life were being put
back together."
The playback of the recordings stimulated
release into their conscious minds further details,
some of which had not been expressed during the
hypnotic sessions. This release of new material is
a product of the "working through" process in
psychotherapy, either with or without hypnosis.
ARNEY FOUND himself remembering
that "The men had rather odd-shaped
heads, with a large cranium, diminish-
ing in size as it got toward the chin.
And the eyes continued around to the
sides of their heads, so that it appeared that they
could see several degrees beyond the lateral ex-
tent of our vision. And something that I remem-
bered, after listening to the tapes, is the mouth it-
self. I could not describe the mouth before, and I
drew the picture without including the mouth.
But it was much like when you draw one hori-
zontal line, with a short perpendicular line on
each end. This horizontal line would represent
the lips without the muscle that we have. And it
would part slightly as they made this mumumum-
ming sound. The texture of the skin, as I re-
member it from this quick glance, was grayish,
almost metallic looking. I didn't notice any hair-
or headgear for that matter. Also, I didn't notice
any nose, there just seemed to be two slits that
represented the nostrils.
"When I was in the corridor, I was surprised
that the leader didn't follow me into the room.
But again-the eyes seemed to follow me... :
Wherever he was, he was still able to convey mes-
sages to me, such as recognizing when I would
become more fearful or needed calming down... :
"I only got a very brief glance at the room,
through the door. The room was pie-shaped, but
as if the point of the pie had been cut off....
"The main thing I was impressed by was the
table that I was to lie on, because it was so much
shorter than anything that would ordinarily hold
a human being. So that when I got on the table,
my legs dangled over the end."
Inconsistencies and paradoxes were reex-
amined as the playback sessions continued over
the next several weeks.
The Hills retraced the route of the journey
with Walter Webb, filling in further details, and
were convinced that they had found the exact
spot of the roadblock on a side road two or three
miles east of Route 3.
The final session in which hypnosis was em-
ployed seemed to sum up the dilemma that had
carried through the entire six months. Was the
experience dream or reality?
In a sense, among the principals, there were
three points of view. Dr. Simon felt he could ac-
cept the probability that the Hills had had an ex-
perience with an unusual aerial phenomenon, a
sighting that stimulated an intense emotional
reaction. He felt that the "abduction" itself was
improbable. Betty felt that the hypnosis had dem-
onstrated marked evidence that her dreams were
a reflection and remembrance of reality. Barney
vacillated between these points of view, although
his ultimate conclusion was that he could not
distinguish between other known reality and the
sequence of events that finally came out under
hypnosis. In other words, once the amnesia was
overcome, he could sense no difference between
what he remembered consciously and what he re-
called revealed under hypnosis: The entire jour-
ney had been a complete, uninterrupted con-
tinuum, including the "abduction" sequence.
Everyone recognized by June that there
would be no full conclusion either to the therapy
continued
"Oh, come now, Fred. If there were 686 million people in China,
I would have heard something about it!"
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The. unsolved mystery: the almost
identical stories under hypnosis
or the incident that played so big a part in it. Both
the doctor and Mr. and Mrs. Hill regretted that it
would be impractical to continue into deeper
therapy over the long period of time that would
be necessary.
As the sessions drew to a close, the question
of illusion or reality dominated the discussions.
The doctor pointed out that he was not going to
say it was either; that he and the Hills together
would both have to continue to reason for the
truth, but that ultimately, the acceptance or non-
acceptance of the occurrence would have to rest
with them.
From the long and intensive exploration of
the case, however, certain nearly irrefutable points
emerge:
1. A sighting of some sort took place.
2. The object sighted appeared to have been
a craft.
3. The sighting caused a severe emotional
reaction.
4. The anxiety and apprehension engendered
by Barney Hill's racial sensitivity served to in-
tensify the emotional response to the sighting.
5. The Hills had no ulterior motives to cre-
ate such a story. They had confined their experi-
ence to a small group of people for four years.
6. The case was investigated by several tech-
nical and scientific persons who support the pos-
sibility of the reality of the experience.
7. There is a measurable amount of direct
physical.circumstantial evidence to support the
validity of the experience.
8. Under hypnosis by a qualified psychiatrist,
both the Hills told almost identical stories of what
had taken place during the period of amnesia.
There are no final answers.
Barney and Betty Hill are not crusading to
convert nonbelievers or skeptics into the accep-
tance of the phenomenon, although they are
hopeful that some new evidence might come to
light to clarify without question the strange cir-
cumstances of their experience. They are content
now to let whatever facts that have come out of
their story speak for themselves.
But as Tennyson has said: "Maybe wildest
dreams are but the needful preludes of the truth."
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Enclosed is 50?. Please send me the Thomas
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-nshof-Bran. Sechsmal soviel
en konzernfreien Brauerei
fanches seit 1349 naCh jahr-
fertealtem Vorbild unnach--
t-ich gebraut.
s ,,Selberzapfen,, aus dem
chshof-Piisener. Zum Wohl!
Schicken Sie bitte frachtfrei
Zunttiges Hobby-FaB aus echtem ~
Walker and andere alte Heuler sind un- resumsatz On drei auf 30 Millionen
1 a a 1974 eroffnet das
orsR n ernti tg4jq~i- 9A FCr t& 10+9 1 $3-8i
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Maschinenbauingenieur, der 1956 als
politischer Fluchtling aus Belgrad ein-
gereist war and rich das Startkapital
seines 1961 als Importfirma gegrunde-
ten Hauses als Autowascher verdient
hatte. schon fr0her erworben. Seine
musikalische Gemischtwarenhandlung
hietet - in Deutschland gefertigt oder
importiert - derzeit mehr als 11 000
verschiedene Langspielplatten rund 30
amerikanischer. englischer. franzosi-
scher and deutscher Labels an.
Besonders die von kleinen US-Fir-
men veroffentlichten alten Debtitplat-
ten beriihmter Entertainer wie Joan
Baez, Neil Diamond. Ike & Tina Tur-
ner werden von Bellaphon noch einmal
clever vermarktet - in Auflagen zwi-
schen 60 000 and 150 000 Stuck.
Kaum eine europaische Plattenfirma
hat so viele Jazz-Evergreens im Ange-
bot wie Bellaphon. Obgleich die Lager-
bestande der renommierten Jazz-Mar-
ken ,Prestige`, ,Arhoolie", ?Mil -
stone", ..Riverside" and ,.Roulette" nur
trage abflief3en (Bestseller wie Miles
Davis and das Modern Jazz Quartet
erreichen Spitzenauflagen von allenfalls
10000 LP) macht Zivanovic lang-
fristig auch damit ein gutes Geschaft.
Solche Dauer-Seller, seine Rock- and
Blues-Hits sowie eine demnachst star-
tende deutsche Schlagerproduktion.so
hofft der Self made- Millionar, werden
den Bellaphon-Marktanteil bald noch
Ober die gegenwartigen (geschatzt)
sechs Prozent hinaus erhohen. Schon in
den letzten fi of Jahren wuchs die Fir-
ma von 20 auf 105 Angestellte. der Jah-
epen-
reich, die zweite auslandische
dance.
Diese Expansion, mutmaf3en Neider
in der Plattenbranche, ?war nur mog-
lich, weil Zivanovic das Musik-Business
wie das Marketing von Oberhemden
betreibt" (so ein Hamburger Kollege).
Der Musik-Kaufmann gibt ihnen sogar
recht: ,Die Frage nach den Vorlieben
and dem ganz pe:rsonlichen Ge-
schmack". sagt Zivanovic. ,habe ich
mir in dieser Form noch niemals ge-
stelJt."
UFOS
Mit Spitzohren
Die Extra-Terrestrischen sind wieder
da. Fast gleichzeitig wurden sie auf
drei Erdteilen wahrgenommen.
E s ist wieder soweit. Wie einst im
Mittelalter der Veitstanz von den
Bewohnern ganzer Gemeinwesen Besitz
ergriff, so sind es nun wieder die klei-
nen grUnen Manner and die Fliegenden
Untertassen, die in den Kopfen der Ir-
Eichenholz. Mit Edeistahi-Zapf-
gerat, 3,81-Dose Monchshof-
Piisener, Kohlensaurepatrone, C
Untersetzer. a DM 79,80 a
Dosen-Depot
Vier NachfUll-Dosen mit je
3,81 suftigem Monchshof-
Pilsener. A DM 39,50
Straee '
)or Betrag von OM Ist auf
1hr Postscheckkonto Nurnberg Nr. 4147
,berwiesen worden. Versand erfolgt nur
ach Eingang dieses Betrages bei der
:-rauerei,- Kupon moglichst 1OTage vor
,awunschtem Empfangstermin einsenden
,p an Kuimbacher Monchshof-Brae,
A 8650 Kulmbach, Postfach 1560.
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GmbH,5 Koln 1, Hohenzollernring 19
Ihre Gesundheit
auna, Gymnastik, Schwimmen,
rnd Spiel.
Kunstausstellungen, festliche
3 bis 31. M* rz 1974:
osten, 25% auf Kurtaxe, Arzt,
ung durch alle Reiseburos
Kurdirektion 757 Baden-Baden,
dischen spukerl: Das Ufo-Fieber, seit gro8 wie eine Pizza", seien sie unter
zwei Wochen im Schwange, ist welt- sucht and wieder entlassen worden.
welt. 3 r if~ et~.~ e{~ Sol.
For)i~j h2QQ~t4 er tIARDP81 R-Qb 6430 ~tl~bwig*'hal-
ma! sowjetische Wissenschaftler. Funk-
zeichen, geregelt and mehrmals taglich,
waren von der Universitat in Gorki
aufgefangen worden. Und dal3 sie von
Auf3erirdischen stammten. war - taut
Tass - .nicht auszuschliel3en".
Aber die Ankunft der Besucher wur-
de dann doch weiter sudlich zum er-
stenmal wahrgenommen: in Schwarz-
afrika. Dem Staatschef von Uganda,
Idi Amin. erschien eines der gleil3enden
Dinger, Uber dem Wasser des Viktoria-
Sees aus einer Rauchwolke hernieder-
fahrend. Der Herrscher wertete es als
,,Zeichen einer glucklichen Zukunft".
Dann nahm es offenbar Kurs auf die
Neue Welt.
Wie in Uganda, so sichtete auch in
den USA ein Politiker das Phanomen.
30 Minuten lang, so gab Ohio-Gouver-
neur John J. Gilligan am vorletzten
Wochenende zu Protokoll, habe ein .zi-
garrenformiges, bernsteinfarbenes Ob-
jekt" am Himmel verharrt, als er mit
seiner Frau Katie nach Hause fuhr.
Von einem .,rubend hnlichen Objekt"
wiederum sah rich ein Lastwagenfahrer
in Missouri geblendet. Und nicht viel
tinders erging es einem Trupp von Poli-
zisten, die in einem Wald nahe der Ort-
schaft Pine (US-Staat Louisiana) gleich
fUnf Ufos aufgespi rt haben wollten.
Ein Lichtblitz habe den Motor ihres
Wagens abgewurgt. behauptete eine
verschreckte Autofahrerin in Tennes-
see. dieweil eine Grune Witwe in New
Orleans meldete, eine Art von Riesen-
auster sei uber ihrem Haus dahingezo-
gen. Und ein Polizist aus Falkville (Ala-
bama) legte gar ein Photo vor von
einem Aul3erirdischen, der ihm auf dem
Highway begegnet war.
Schliel3lich klickten die Fremdlinge
vom Himmel - Reminiszenz an
.,Raumschiff Enterprise" - auch in die
irdische Elektronik: 15 Minuten fang,
berichtete Radarbeobachter James
Thornhill aus Columbus (US-Staat
Mississippi), sei sein Radarschirm aus-
gefallen - and das, nachdem er vorher
einen oszillierenden, auf der Stelle ver-
harrenden Punkt gezeigt habe.
Hysterisch - auf einer Autobahn bei
Mobile verursachten 1000 Autofahrer
auf Ufo-Suche ein Verkehrschaos -
reagierten anfallige Gemuter jedoch be-
sonders, seit eine Horrorgeschichte aus
der Heimat Mark Twains verbreitet
wurde.
ten mochten, dafiir sorgte ein schon be-
kannter Ufo-Anhanger, der einen Pro-
fessoren-Titel tragt: der Astronom J.
Allen Hynek, der die beiden Angler an-
geblich unter Hypnose hatte verhoren
lassen. ?Es mul3 definitiv etwas hier ge-
wesen rein", lautete sein Befund, ?das
nicht terrestrischen Ursprungs war."
Hynek, der in nutzlichem Zusam-
mentreffen mit der jiingsten Ufo-Welle
soeben ein neues Buch (,,The
Ufo Experience") gestartet hat, ist Ken-
nern der i bersinnlichen Szene schon
seit 1948 bekannt; damals drangelte er
sich als ,wissenschaftlicher Berater" in
Nebelspalter, Schweiz
? ... ich wurde es melden, wenn ich nicht
uberall als Witzbold bekannt ware."
die Ufo-Untersuchungskommission der
US-Luftwaffe.
Die jahrelangen Nachforschungen
der Air Force gingen gleichwohl nicht
zugunsten der Ufo-Glaubigen aus: In
fast alien Fallen, so stellte sich heraus,
hatten die Beobachter Schweifsterne
and Meteore, Diisenjager oder Satelli-
ten, Wetterballons and Vogel, Lichtre-
'flexe oder Feuerwerk als unirdische Er-
scheinungen mil3deutet.
So war es auch, als die Serie von
Himmelserscheinungen letzte Woche
nach Europa iibergriff. Die Hamburger
Hausfrau Elisabeth Kiihne, 76. hatte als
erste fruhmorgens um sechs Uhr ?das
Ding" wahrgenommen: ?Ein Feuerball.
Beim abendlichen Angeln. so hatten halb so grol3 wie der Mond, mit einem
vorletzten Donnerstag zwei Manner aus Schweif aus vielen Tausend Ster-
dem Mississippi-Nest Pascagoula versi- nen.."
chert. habe sich ihnen ein blaustrahlen- Ein Wetterballon, so erfuhren die
des Licht genahert and zu einem Raum- Anrufer bei der Hamburger Sternwarte.
Schiff materialisiert. Drei Kreaturen war in 10000 Meter Hohe, eine geplatz-
(,,ohne Lippen, mit Spitzohren and to BallonhUlle als Schweif hinter sich
Krabbenscheren an den Armen") hat- herziehend. mutmal3lich- aus der So-
ten sie sodann in das unirdische Vehikel wjet-Union herubergekommen. Er spie-
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Dr. H. Allen Hynek, head of the astronomy
department at Northwestern University and chief
scientific consultant on UFO's to the Air Force.
He believes flying saucers are "modern
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 U.S. AIR FORCE TECHNICAL INFORMATION
This questionnaire has been prepared so that you can give the U.S. Air Force as much
information as possible concerning the unidentified aerial phenomenon that you have observed.
Please try to answer as many questions as you possibly can. The information that you give will
be used for research purposes. Your name will not be used in connection with any statements,
conclusions, or publications without your permission. We request this personal information so
that if it is deemed necessary, we may contact you for further details.
1. When did you see the object?
2. Time of day:
Hours Minutes
(Circle One): A.M. or P.M.
Day Month Year
3. Time Zone:
(Circle One): a. Eastern (Circle One): a. Daylight Saving
b. Central b. Standard
c. Mountain
d. Pacific
e. Other
4. Where were you when you saw the object?
Nearest Postal Address City or Town State or County
5. How long was object in sight? (Total Duration)
Hours Minutes Seconds
a. Certain c. Not very sure
b. Fairly certain d. Just a guess
5.1 How was time in sight determined?
5.2 Was object in sight continuously? Yes No
6. What was the condition of the sky?
DAY NIGHT
a. Bright a. Bright
b. Cloudy b. Cloudy
7. IF you saw the object during DAYLIGHT, where was the SUN located as you looked at the object?
(Circle One): a. In front of you d. To your left
b. In back of you e. Overhead
c. To your right f. Don't remember
Page 2.
8. IF you saw the object at NIGHT, what did you notice concerning the STARS and MOON?
8.1 STARS (Circle One): 8.2 MOON (Circle One):
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a. None 4, a. Bright moonlight
b. Afew b.- Dull moonlight
c. Many c. No moonlight-pitch dark
d. Don't remember d. Don't remember
9. What were the weather conditions at the time you saw the object?
~ ' k
CLOUDS (Circle One): WEATHER (Circle One).
a. Clear sky a. Dry
b. Hazy b. Fog, mist, or light rain
c. Scattered clouds c. Moderate or heavy rain
d. Thick or heavy clouds d. Snow
e. Don't remember
10, The object appeared: (Circle One):
a. Solid d. Asa light
b. Transparent e. Don't remember
c. Vapor
11. If it appeared as a light, was it brighter than the brightest stars? (Circle One):
a. Brighter c. About the some
b. Dimmer d. Don't know
e a
11.1 Compare brightness to some common object:
12. The edges of the object were:
ar
(Circle One): a. Fuzzy or blurred e. Other
b. Like a bright star
c. Sharply outlined
d. Don't remember
13. Did the object: (Circle One for each
qugstion)
a. Appear to stand still at any time? Yes No
Don't.know"
b. Suddenly speed up and rush away at any time? Yes No
Don t know;'-
c. Break up into parts or explode? Yes No
Dan i know ,s
d. Give off smoke? ~v Yes' `-No ,
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e. Change brightness Yesz No
Dont k owe
f. Change shopes Yes No
Dort t know
Flash orfiicker? Yes 'No
Don ,t know
h. Disappear and reappear? Yes No
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the UFO phenomenon with a shrug.
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geometric, and lunm`.nescent characteris-
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a tendency in - 211th-centL:: y science
scientifically trained people. This is , to forget that theta w!' .
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best, most coherent reports have come 'century science, r. am s:i..- -
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:,ay request a::onymity which is al- a form of arrog:.ice tha, has always
ways (Iranted. irritated posterity.
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