JOURNAL - OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL

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7. Received a call from Eugene Kopp, Deputy
General Counsel, USIA, in connection with the apparently inadvertent release
for the public record of testimony given in executive session by USIA witnesses
before the House Foreign Affairs Committee on USIA authorization legislation.
Mr. Kopp said that GPO will not be making a public printing of the hearing and
that he has alerted all executive agencies to treat the copies they have accordingly
and that the House Committee will be suppressing their supply also. In response
to my question, he said he did not know of any testimony directly impacting on
the Agency's interests, but he did identify the testimony of Michael Pistor,
Assistant Director, Near East and North Africa, and Kempton Jenkins, Assis-
tant Director, Soviet Union and East Euro-De. as being the most sensitive from
their viewpoint. I talked to to call this development to
her attention and asked if she would assure that the DDP area divisions most
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Wednesday - 24 May 1972
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Relations Authorization Act of 1972 (S. 3526) striking section 504(a) of the bill
which would have imposed a 10 percent cut on U.S. personnel abroad (except
for State Department personnel, Peace Corps, and certain military categories)
passed the Senate by a vote of 38-32 late this afternoon.
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13. Sent to Bobby McCarthy, in the office of
Representative Tom Railsback (R., Ill.), some application forms and
employment brochures for constituents interested in employment with the
Agency.
25X1 14. D Received a call from Representative
Barber Conable (R., N.Y. ),who is Chairman of the Combined SOS and Chowder
and Marching Society, central Republican breakfast group, who extended an
invitation to the Director to join the group for breakfast some morning next
week if possible. Representative Conable recalled the very enjoyable previous
breakfast with the Director and expressed the hope that they could return the
favor of having him to breakfast as he had had them in the past. I told
Representative Conable that I did not believe it would be possible for the next
ten days or two weeks that the Director's schedule would not allow that luxury.
After checking with the Director, I talked to Mrs. Dorothy Maneri, Repre-
sentative Conable's Executive Secretary, and told her the Director is unable
to accept. She thanked me for the call and expressed the hope that he will be
able to make it another time.
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25X1 6. I Ralph Preston, House Appropriations
Committee staff, called shortly before lunch and said Chairman Mahon
would like to talk with the Director about the possibility of the Agency
giving the House Appropriations Committee Special Group on Intelligence
a briefing at 11 a.m. tomorrow. The Director subsequently talked with
Mahon and agreed to his request.
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8. Mr. Miller and I met with Mr. Robert
Mosbacher Legislative Assistant to Senator Howard Baker (R., Tenn.),
and provided him with the test of a fall-back position on the dissemination
of information provision (section 205) of S. 3526 in the event the Senator is
defeated on his amendment to strike the entire section. We discussed the
strategy for the handling of this amendment which will come up on the Senate
floor tomorrow afternoon. Mr. Mosbacher said he would like someone to
be just off the Senate floor to give him advice and assistance if he should
need it and arrangements have been made with USIA to provide this assistance.
25X1 9. Following our meeting with Mosbacher, I
talked with Mr. Marshall Wright, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for
Congressional Relations, Colonel L. J. Dalferes, Deputy Assistant to the
Secretary of Defense (Legislative Affairs), and Mr. Eugene Kopp, USIA, in
an effort to increase everyone's efforts to obtain support for this amendment
and Senator Scott's amendment to strike section 405(a) of the bill which would
impose a 10 percent cut on U.S. personnel abroad.
25X1 10. Mr. Miller and I met with Mr. Ed Braswell,
Chief Counsel, Senate Armed Services Committee, and urged him to make
every effort to get support from Committee members for the Scott and Baker
amendments to S. 3526. We pointed out that passage of the Scott amendment
striking all of section 405(a) would make it unnecessary for Senator Stennis
to have to request a special exemption for the Agency. Braswell said he would
weigh in on this and would ask Stennis to solicit all the support he could on
the floor also.
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of an Agency employee who is resigning to practice law in Illinois and has
asked the Congressman for some references. Based on the advice of
CRS, I informed Mr. Daniels that had established
a very good record with us and that we were sorry to lose him
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7. I advised us of social contacts
which he had with Representative Philip Ruppe (R., Mich.) whom he has known
since early school days. We plan to make a followup contact with Ruppe who
has expressed an interest in visiting the Agency. (Ruppe attended a freshman
breakfast at Headquarters 14 March 1967 but was not at that time in a position
to absorb much of what was said but he is interested and would like to meet
with us again.)
25X18. Talked with both Charles Ablard, General
Counsel, 1JSIA, and Marshall Wright, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
for Congressional Relations, and urged that another meeting be called (similar
to the one which Wright originally called to deal with the personnel cut and
dissimination of information provision of S. 3526) to reassess the situation and
determine how successful representatives of the various agencies involved have
been in contacting members of their acquaintance to gain support for the
Administration's position on these provisions. Ablard commented if we were
to accomplish anything he thought we would have to make an all-out move on
the 10 percent cut provision on the floor of the Senate since Representative
Wayne Hays (D., Ohio) (who will be a vital participant in any conference on
this bill) fully supports the personnel cut as reported by the Foreign Relations
Committee. Wright said he would be happy to call another meeting as I
suggested but said he would contact Tom Korologos, of the White House, to
see if he would be willing to chair the session.
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Monday - 22 May 1972
25X1 11. Met with Sam Goldberg, Legislative Assistant
to Senator Charles McC. Mathias (R., Md.), to obtain Senator Mathias' support
for the Scott amendment to strike section 504(a) of S. 3526. Goldberg said he
thought the Senator would be sympathetic both to the Scott amendment and to our
position on the dissemination of information proviiiian (section 205) of this bill
which I had also discussed with him. He pointed out, however, the Senator
would be out of town from tomorrow until 4 June and therefore he would be
unable to cast a vote if either of these amendments came up during that period.
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12. ) Mr. Maury and I met with Senator Ernest
Hollings (D., S. C. ) to solicit his support for Senator Scott's amendment to
strike section 504(a) of S. 3526. The Senator asked a number of pertinent
questions both as to why the Agency should not be cut and why he should support
the amendment to strike all of this section. He seemed particularly persuaded
by the judicial argument which we presented that this added to an encroachment
by the Foreign Relations Committee on judicial responsibility of other committees
(such as the Senate Armed Services and Appropriations Committees) in making
cuts in the personnel departments and agencies under their jurisdiction. The
Senator said he would support both Senator Scott's amendment and the proposal
by Senator Stennis to exempt CIA from this section if the Scott amendment fails
to pass the Senate.
25X1 13. Received a call from Charles Ablard, General
Counsel, USIA, who said they have been talking with Mr. Bob Mosbacher,
Legislative Assistant to Senator Howard Baker (R., Tenn.), about the Senator's
amendment to strike section 205 of S. 3526 having to do with the dissemination
of information abroad by U.S. Government agencies. Ablard suggested we
contact Mosbacher and see if we can be of any assistance to him.
Mr. Maury and I visited with Bob Mosbacher who said they thought of
calling up the Senator's amendment the latter part of this week but he was having
second thoughts about this since he has some concern about the support they will
get on the floor. We agreed it would be wise to hold off a few days on this if
possible in an effort to try to get more favorable votes. Mosbacher said he had
the feeling Senator Cooper might be sympathetic to the position of USIA, CIA
and others concerning this section and suggested we talk with Senator Cooper
and sound him out on this. He said if Cooper seems at all sympathetic, Senator
Baker will follow up on this in an effort to gain his support for Baker's amend-
ment. He also said David Abshire, Assistant Secretary of State for Congres-
sional Relations, would be asked to contact Senator Aiken in support of the
Baker amendment. Meanwhile Mosbacher asked if we would provide him with
the language we have already developed modifying section 205, as reported by
the Foreign Relations Committee, in order to meet the requirements of USIA
and CIA in case Senator Baker needs this as a fallback position. We told him
we would get this material to him.
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25X1 16. Messrs. Jim Lowenstein and Richard Moose,
Senate Foreign Relations Committee staff, came to the Agency this afternoon
to talk with Messrs. Colby and Carver prior to their departure Sunday for a
12-day trip to Vietnam on behalf of the Committee. They explained the primary
purpose of their visit is to bring the Committee up-to-date on the situation in
Vietnam as they will now be considering the AID bill and other legislation
pertaining to programs in Southeast Asia. The staff members made no specific
request to the Agency about contacts in Vietnam. (Mr. Carver is preparing a
guidance cable for the field.)
25X1 17. Talked to Hannah McCornack, on the staff
of Senator Hugh Scott (R., Pa.), about the Senator introducing an amendment
to strike the 10 percent personnel cut provision in the Foreign Relations
Authorization Act of 1972 (S. 3526) and offered to provide her with some
material for this purpose. Miss McCornack said Senator Scott is out of the
city and they will not know until Monday whether he will agree to submit the
amendment, but said she would like to have whatever material we could provide
her by Monday morning. I subsequently talked with Charles Ablard, USIA
who said he. had given Miss McCornack our material on the motion to strike
the 10 percent cut with some modifications which they had made. He said
they would send us a copy over the weekend.
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with inform-non in response to a query from Representative Gilbert Gude
(R., Md.) as to the number of Agency employees with convulsive disorders.
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25X1 20. I In accordance with Circular A-19
instructions, advised Ralph Malvik, in the Office of Management and Budget,
of Mr. Helms' 18 May letter to Chairman Stennis on section 504(a) of the
Foreign Relations Authorization Act of 1972 (S. 3526), explaining that the
Senate Armed Services Committee had made an urgent request for a letter
concerning the implications of the 10 per cent overseas personnel reduction
on the Agency. In response to his request, a copy of the letter was sent to
Mr. Malvik. Mr. Sherman, OPPB, was advised.
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21. 'Returned the earlier call of Miss Rhoda
Kachilo, lit ULU ?Ince ot itepresentative John Dent (D., Pa.), to the Map
Library, OBGI, for a copy of the,China Atlas and explained the situation.
Miss Kachilo said no extra effort for Mr. Dent was necessary as the request
was being made for a constituent.
25X1 22. Called Mr. William Hawley, in the
Office of Management and Budget, concerning the proposed Executive order
on advisory committees, which he had sent to us at our request, to discuss
the different treatment accorded "Presidential committees," such as PFIA.B,
and other "advisory committees." Mr. Hawley explained that he was not a
lawyer, but it was the intent to bring all committees under OMB management,
and in response to my question, he said he thought it would be too late if we
had adverse comments as the Executive order had just cleared the Department
of Justice enroute to the President.
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IJo-Anne Coe, in the office of Senator Robert
Dole (R., Kans. ). called nriI requested an employment interview for a constituent,
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Friday - 19 May 1972
25X1 4. Jim Halm.o, Congressional Relations of State
Department, called in behalf of David Abshire, Assistant Secretary of State for
Congressional Relations, to say that they had arranged for Senator Hugh Scott
to introduce a motion Monday to strike the ten percent personnel cut provision
of the Foreign Relations Authorization Act (S.3526). He suggested that we alert
our supporters on the Hill.
25X1 5. Called Walt Rostow in Texas in response to
his query to the Director regarding a column by Marquis Childs reporting
alleged remarks Rostow made at a 303 Committee meeting on the Greek situation
in 1967. I am sending Rostow some unclassified material on this subject.
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6. Received a call from Miss Dorothy Fosdick,
Staff Director, National Security and International Operations Subcommittee,
who inquired for Senator Jackson (D., Wash.) whether MIG 23s have ever
overflown our fleet in the Mediterranean. I told Miss Fosdick that this was an
area that was completely within the competence of the Navy and suggested she
contact them. She said she would.
25X1 7. Talked to Kay Lovell, Senate Foreign
Relations Committee staff, and confirmed the arrangements for Messrs.
Lowenstein and Moose's visit to Headquarters this afternoon. They will be
driving their individual automobiles.
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8. Met with Mr. John Martiny, Chief
Counsel, House Post Office and Civil Service Committee, who told me that the
Committee is working with the Administration to develop an acceptable Federal
Executive Service bill. The next session of the Committee will take place on
6 June and he expects that there may be a draft of a new bill available shortly
after that meeting. I thanked him for the advice.
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10. (Unclassified - JGO) Delivered to the Office of Representative
Charles Rangel (D., N. Y.) a letter from Mr. Maury to Representative Rangel
concerning certain CIA studies on the dope question.
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Thursday - 18 May 1972
25X1 7. Met with Senator Milton Young whom I briefed on
recent developments regarding Indochina, including merchant ship movements
and the Soviet and Chinese propaganda line; latest information on Soviet ICBM
development; and demonstrations of Soviet military support for Egypt.
I called the Senator's attention to our problems with certain pending
legislation, including Foreign Relations Committee amendments to the Foreign
Relations Authorization Act (S. 3526). I also commented on some recent
malicious allegations about the Agency in the press. The Senator said he
would be glad to say something about this if we thought it useful, and I said
we might take him up on this.
25X1 8. Charles Ablard, General Counsel USIA, called
to say Senator Howard Baker had introduced a motion to strike the amendment
to the Foreign Relations Authoriiation Act (S.3526) dealing with dissemination
of information by Federal agencies. I told Ablard of our continuing concern over
another amendment to this bill, calling for a ten percent personnel cut in the
overseas strength of the Agency and other departments. I complained that
Senator Bellmon had "jumped the gun" by introducing an amendment exempting
the Department of Agriculture from this provision, thus disrupting what I thought
had been our coordinated plan. Ablard said Bellmon would have been glad to
include other agencies in his amendment but received no support from the White
House or anyone else. He commented that it might still not be too late to get
Bellmon to introduce a substitute amendment except Bellmon planned to be out
of town for the next several days. I said that in view of the present situation
we felt we had to move quickly and, in response to a request from Chairman
Stennis, had already provided him with backup material for an Agency exemption.
However I said if the provision in question could be struck entirely, that would
suit us very well. I said we had put our case in the hands of Stennis and it was
up to him as to how to handle it.
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5. Tom Korologos, White House staff, called
in response to my call to his office yesterday to ask about the status of
amendments to the Foreign Relations Authorization Act in which the White
House is interested. I said that we had been in touch with Charles Ablard,
General Counsel USIA, to try to get a date with Senator Howard Baker but
without success and Ablard had sent to Baker's Legislative Assistant Jim
Jordan the package of material concerning the "dissemination of information"
amendment which' had prepared. I said that since the
several other agencies affected by the amendment were taking no action I
didn't think it was wise for CIA to "step out front." Therefore, I said as
far as we were concerned we would just as soon rely on the House, which
had passed a clean bill with provisions acceptable to us, to take care of our
interests in conference. Korologos agreed that this was the best course.
I asked Korologos where we stood on the "ten percent personnel
reduction" amendment. He said that Senator Henry Bellmon had complicated
matters by introducing an amendment providing an exemption only for the
Department of Agriculture. In response to Korologo's question, I said we
were in touch with Ed Braswell, Chief Counsel, Senate Armed Services
Committee, and thought Senator Stennis would go to bat for us. Korologos
seemed to think this was the best way of handling the "ten percent cut"
problem.
25X1 6. Bill Woodruff, Counsel, Senate Appropriations
Committee, called to say Chairman Ellender had some photographic work he
would like us to do for him and asked if or I would stop by in ils-exi A
next day or two.
25X1 7. Met with Mr. William Hogan, House Armed
Services Committee staff, who told me he has received no word from Chairman
Nedzi, of the Intelligence Subcommittee, or Mr. Frank Slatinshek, Chief
Counsel of the Committee, since Mr. Maury's conversation of Monday, 15 May,
with Slatinshek concerning publication of the transcript of 9 May. Mr. Hogan
will advise me as soon as he hears anything.
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Tuesday - 16 May 1972
25X1 1. Called Representative Charles Rangel in
response to his 3 May letter to the Director renewing his 27 April request,
under the Freedom of Information Act, for several classified Agency publications
on the drug problem. I pointed out that the Freedom of Information Act did
not apply to the Agency, and that we could not establish a precedent of providing
such publications to the Congress but were anxious to be helpful in any other
way. I suggested an oral briefing in which we would cover the significant
portions of the publications in question, after which we would be glad to
provide Mr. Rangel with an unclassified roundup study now in preparation.
Mr. Rangel said he appreciated our problem, but he had a problem explaining
to his constituents why he couldn't get material that apparently was freely
available to the press. He said he would look into our exemption from the
Freedom of Information Act and indicated he would be back in touch with us.
I said we were trying to be helpful in every way possible.
25X1 2. In the absence of Tom Korologos, White
House staff, I left word with his secretary that we had been in touch witp. USIA
and State and thought if action were going to be taken regarding the dissemination
amendment to the Foreign Relations Authorization Act (S. 3256) we should move
promptly. I recalled that Mr. Korologos had earlier indicated he would make
a date for us to join in meeting with Senator Howard Baker on this matter, and
said I wondered whether he intended to go through with this.
25X1 3. Called Bill White, Legislative Reference
Service, Office of Management and Budget, to get a reading on the prospects
for Senate passage of legislation controlling Federal advisory committees
(which could apply to PFIAB, NSC, USIB, etc.). Initially White felt that a
new Executive order being submitted to the President would satisfy congres-
sional critics but later advised me that the Metcalf bill (S. 3529) would most
likely pass the Senate and that the conference committee should not have too
much trouble in ironing out the differences between the Senate and House bill
(H. R. 4383). The Administration is opposing both bills.
25X1 4. Left with the House Foreign Affairs Committee
staff a copy of the China Atlas which Mr. Roy Bullock, of the staff, can make
available to Representative Donald Fraser (D., Minn.) who wanted access to
an Atlas.
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25X1 6. Mr. Chris Sylvester, in the office of Senator
Milton Young, called to say the Senator wondered if we could confirm reports
he had heard that a number of French prisoners were still being held by the
North Vietnamese. After consulting George Carver, SAVA, I called
Sylvester back to say while the picture was still extremely murky, there
were several thousand French soldiers still unaccounted for from the fighting
in the 1950's and it appeared likely that at least some of them might still be
held in detention in one way or another.
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Charles Ablard, General Counsel USIA,
called to say that he and Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Congressional
Relations Marshall Wright, would like us to join them in a meeting with Jim
Jordan, Legislative Assistant to Senator Howard Baker, to discuss amendments
to the Foreign Relations Authorization Act (S. 3256) tomorrow morning at 9:15.
Later the Senator's office called to say they would have to cancel the meeting
and reschedule it.
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Representative Donald Riegle (R., Mich.), called to say he had a luncheon
date with Gregory Raporta (phonetic) of the Soviet Embassy and wished us to
be advised. I told him we had no jurisdiction over such matters and recommended
he notify the FBI.
9. Mr. Patrick Ramsey, DDI, called to
report that former Representative William Cramer (R. , Fla.) had called him
at the suggestion of a mutual friend and asked to speak to someone on the
Agency's Latin American desk sin c e he had some important information
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25X1 1. Left with Bill Woodruff, Counsel, Senate Appro-
priations Committee, a memorandum frorrl I responding to
a question raised by Senator Young at the Director's briefing of the Senate
Appropriations Intelligence Operations Subcommittee on the community
budget last Friday.
25X1 2. Representative Gilbert Gude (R., Md.) was
unable to make our scheduled appointment and in his absence I talked with
Miss Barbara Bingley of his staff about a personnel case in which the Congress-
man has expressed interest. See Memorandum for the Record.
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staff, on a visit with Mr. Sam Goldberg, in the office of Senator Charles McC.
Mathias (R., Md.), on a matter in which Goldberg had requested our assistance.
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4. Met briefly with Ed Braswell, Chief Counsel,
Senate Armed Services Committee, who complained about a lack of coordination
by the White House in handling action on the State Authorization bill (S. 3526).
I mentioned to Braswell that Senator Bellmon had introduced two amendments
along the lines which we had suggested regarding the 10 percent personnel cut
which would be imposed by section 504(a) of S. 3526 except that Bellrnon's
amendment would provide specific exemption for Agriculture rather than CIA.
I mentioned that if a number of departments and agencies were seeking similar
exemptions there would be merit in combining their efforts in an attempt to
defeat section 504(a) entirely. Braswell seemed interested in this possibility.
25X1 5. I) In response to an earlier request from Judy,
in the office of Senator Gaylord Nelson (D., Wis. ), I called his Executive
Assistant, Warren Sawall, to determine if the Senator himself has a need for
a copy of the China Atlas, explaining that our supply was depleted but that if
the Senator cannot wait for the GPO publication we would try to locate a copy
for him. Later, Mr. Sawall confirmed the Senator's direct, immediate interest.
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10. Spoke with Charles Ablard and
Eugene Kopp, USIA, concerning their additions to our proposed draft floor
statement on section 205 (dissemination of information) of S. 3526, and
suggested several changes which Ablard accepted. USIA is interpreting
section 205 as not requiring attribution on material disseminated by a
foreign party.
Mr. Ablard said that Senator Howard Baker (R., Tenn.) has been
lined up as a possible spokesman for the Administration's position on
section 205 and that Ablard will be seeking an appointment with Senator Baker
for Mr. Maury and himself. In response to my question, Ablard said that
Korologos, Deputy Assistant to the President, is apparently no longer involved
and that Marshall Wright, of State, is calling the shots.
In response to my question, Mr. Kopp said that Senator Henry
Bellmon's (R., Okla. ) amendments to section 504, Personnel Reductions,
was prompted by his interest in the Department of Agriculture, and agreed
that similar moves on behalf of other agencies would probably lead to the
deletion of section 504.
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25X1 12. Met with Mr. Ralph Preston, House Appropriations
Committee staff, and confirmed with him the meeting for Monday, 15 April,
at 10:00 a. m. with Mr. Duckett, DDS&T, as a followon to the budget briefing
provided at Headquarters on Friday, 5 May 1972. Mr. Preston told me that
the Director's meeting with the special group for briefing on the community
budget for 1 June is now as firm as it can be. It is Mr. Preston's opinion
that the Chairman is so pressed for time that he probably will not be calling
a special group briefing on Vietnam unless something major occurs to
necessitate a meeting with the Director.
I briefed Mr. Preston on the following items: Chinese surface naval
force equipment; Soviet SA-3 missiles in Iraq, G-class submarine in Cuban
waters, and satellite communications; and the current situation in Vietnam.
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25X1 11. During the day, received calls from
the offices of Senators Gaylord Nelson (D., Wis. ) and Jacob Javits (R.,
N. Y.), and Representative William Scott (R., Va. ) requesting China
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25X1 5. Talked to Frank Slatinshek, Acting Chief
Counsel, House Armed Services Committee, who told me he had received
a call from a representative of the Library of Congress who complained he
had been attempting to establish liaison with the CIA without success.
Slatinshek said they needed a rundown on the laws applying to the CIA,
changes in the law, appropriations authorizations and so forth. He said
he referred them directly to this office and we could expect a call from
them.
He also said it is necessary that the transcript of Agency briefings
or meetings with the Committee be returned to the Committee as soon as
received from the reporters. After they have served their purpose to the
Committee they can then be returned to the Agency for safekeeping. He
said he was embarrassed this morning by not having the transcript of the
briefing on Vietnam of 4 May which he thought had been returned to them.
I assured Slatinshek it would not happen again. I told him the transcript
of yesterday's briefing of the Ned.zi Intelligence Subcommittee has been
completed and I would get it to him first thing in the morning, which he
said would be satisfactory.
25X1 6. ) Charles Ablard, USIA, called to say he
was sending over material for a possible floor speech in the Senate opposing
the Church amendment on information dissemination (S.3526).
25X1 7. Talked to Representative William Dickinson
and related an anecdote the Director had told the House Armed Services
Committee concerning a conversation between John McCloy and Soviet
Foreign Minister Kuznetsov in which Dickinson was interested.
25X1 8. 'Mrs. Minor, on the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee staff, called and said that the Committee needed two copies of the
China Atlas by tomorrow. After explaining that our supply has been depleted,
but that if the Committee really needed one tomorrow I would see what we
could do, Mrs: Minor said that this would not be necessary as the atlas was
for a private individual who will be travelling to China.
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9. Talked to Ed Braswell, Chief Counsel,
Senate Arm,- w.e, about providing him with personal
access to certain publications. I said it was my understanding that the Director
and Chairman Stennis had agreed that Mr. Braswell could be shown two Agency
publications periodically on an eyes only basis. Braswell said it would be
very helpful if Jim Woolsey, d the Committee staff, could also have access
to these publications on the same basis. I said in this case the Director would
want to receive such a request directly from Stennis, and suggested that
Stennis might call the Director about it. Braswell said he would mention
this to the Chairman.
10. Received a call from Mr. Robert Ujevich,
American Law Division, Library of Congress, who asked if we could give him
citations to restrictive legislation affecting the Agency's statutory authority,
explaining that he was doing this for a Member. I told him that I was not in
the General Counsel's office and it would be beyond my function to provide
advice in this matter, but that there had been a number of provisions in recent
authorization and appropriation bills which sought to impose restrictions on
the activities of all Government agencies in Indochina. He then asked whether
there had been any legislation affecting the Agency's transfer of funds authority
as spelled out in section 5 of P. L. 81-110. I referred him to the Appropriations
Committees and he said the Committees had referred him to our office. He
told me that under the circumstances he thought he would suggest to his con-
gressional client that he either go directly to the Appropriations Committees or
the Agency for his answer. I suggested that he may wish to consult the legis-
lative history of P. L. 110 for its principal purpose which was to provide
for the secure funding of the Agency, and his apparent lack of success in obtaining
information merely points out that the secure system approved by Congress is
working.
Mr. Ujevich said that he had learned from members of the Foreign
Affairs Division that liaison arrangements were being worked out with CIA
but that none existed. I told him I would provide him with a point of contact.
Later, after checking with Harry Eisenbeiss, I provided him with the name
of the CIA Librarian, ,
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25X1? Talked to Frank Slatinshek, Acting Chief
Counse15,kuse Armed Services Committee, who told me he had received
a call from a representative of the Library of Congress who complained he
had been attempting to establish liaison with the CIA without success.
Slatinshek said they needed a rundown on the laws applying to the CIA,
changes in the law, appropriations authorizations and so forth. He said
he referred them directly to this office and we could expect a call from
them.
He also said it is necessary that the transcript of Agency briefings
or meetings with the Committee be returned to the Committee as soon as
received from the reporters. After they have served their purpose to the
Committee they can then be returned to the Agency for safekeeping. He
said he was embarrassed this morning by not having the transcript of the
briefing on Vietnam of 4 May which he thought had been returned to them.
I assured Slatinshek it would not happen again. I told him the transcript
of yesterday's briefing of the Nedzi Intelligence Subcommittee has been
completed and I would get it to him first thing in the morning, which he
said would be satisfactory.
25X1 6, Charles Ablard, USIA, called to say he
was sending over material for a possible floor speech in the Senate opposing
the Church amendment on information dissemination (S.3526).
25X1 7. Talked to Representative William Dickinson
and related an anecdote the Director had told the House Armed Services
Committee concerning a conversation between John McCloy and Soviet
Foreign Minister Kuznetsov in which Dickinson was interested.
25X1 8. Mrs. Minor, on the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee staff, called and said that the Committee needed two copies of the
China Atlas by tomorrow. After explaining that our supply has been depleted,
but that if the Committee really needed one tomorrow I would see what we
could do, Mrs. Minor said that this would not be necessary as the atlas was
for a private individual who will be travelling to China.
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25X1 4, Accompanied Mr. Colby and 1 who
briefed the Intelligence Operations Subcommittee of Senate Appropriations
Committee on the Agency budget. See Memo for Record.
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25X1 5. Left with Art Kuhl, Senate Foreign Relations
Committee staff, a copy of the NCNA wire photo from Peking of the Mansfield-
Scott delegation and their Chinese hosts and picked up from Kuhl six copies of
the Moose/Lowenstein report on "Thailand, Laos, and Cambodia: January 1972."
A copy of the report has been sent to FE Division.
25X1 6. In response to his request I left two copies
of the China Atlas with Mr. Sam Scott, Senate Internal Security Subcommittee
staff.
25X1 7. At his request I dropped by to see Ed Braswell,
Chief Counsel, Senate Armed Services Committee. He said the Chairman
was not satisfied with the intelligence information he has been receiving from
DOD and wanted Braswell to make arrangements for Jim Woolsey and himself
to get more detailed information from the Agency. See Memorandum for the
Record.
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to him from Charles Ablard, USIA. Ablard said he had talked with Tom
Korologos, White House staff, about strategy in handling the dissemination
of information provision of the State Authorization bill (S. 3526) and Dave
Abshire, Assistant Secretary of State for Congressional Relations, is to set
up a meeting to be attended by himself, Ablard and Mr. Maury with Senator
Baker to see if the Senator would be willing to offer an amendment to correct
the USIA/CIA problems with this section. Ablard will be back in touch with
us when a date has been set for the meeting.
9. In a chance meeting with him on the Hill,
Bill Jordan, Senate Appropriations Committee staff, asked me whether the
Agency had any "foreign assistance resources." It developed Jordan is pulling
together information on thg: Fulbright amendment to the Defense Appropriations
Act for F is cal 1972 and he wanted to be sure he had checked with us. Jordan
said he would hope that we would give him the answer that any information from
the Agency on this was classified and could not be made available. I told him
I would check on this and be back in touch with him.
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had been asked by a contact in the Library or Congress to identify the laws
supporting current congressional committee oversight of the Agency. I
recommended that he avoid any detailed discussion and simply refer to the
Legislative Reorganization Act and the fact that the Agency's enabling legis-
lation has for some time been within the jurisdiction of the Armed Services
Committees of both Houses. I suggested that if his contact wanted further
information concerning this matter, the staffs of the Armed Services Com-
mittees be contacted, and if he wanted information on other laws affecting the
Agency, that !Associate General Counsel, be contacted.
25X1 5. Called William Shaw, Research Director,
House Internal Security Committee, and told him that we did not have any
unclassified compilation concerning political kidnappings but that he might
want to contact the Senate Internal Security Subcommittee for a report put out
under Senator Dodd's auspices in 1964 to serve as a case example.
25X1 6. I in response to his call I met with Representative
Richard H. Ichord (D., Mo.) and scheduled a meeting for Monday to brief him
on the various Warren Commission documents requested in his letter of 21 March.
Representative Ichord noted that he had delayed quite a bit in setting up the
meeting but he has been pressed on other matters. CI Stafp,5x1A
has been advised. See Journal of 10 and 11 April 1972.
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7. In response to her call met with Miss Dorothy
' Fosdick, Staff Director, Subcommittee on National Security and International
Operations, and briefed her on various Soviet naval units operating in Cuban
waters including the G-class diesel-powered ballistic missile submarine. In
response to her question whether the presence of the G-class submarine is in
keeping with our understanding with the Soviet Union, I told Miss Fosdick that
this question is one that she would have to refer to the Department of State.
As usual the meeting was most cordial and friendly.
25X1 8. I Representative Frank Bow (R., Ohio)
was away from the city during the afternoon. I am to call his office on Monday
to arrange a time for meeting after his return.
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25X1 16. 1 Stuart Smith, of the Law Enforcement
Assistance Administration, called and asked for a copy of the China Map Atlas
and any similar atlas we have on the Soviet Union. Mr. Smith explained that
he thought these maps would be useful to him because there is an increasing
emphasis in his work on foreign affairs matters. Upon learning that Mr. Smith
was a Public Relations Officer but assigned to the Congressional Liaison office,
I turned the matter over to Mr. Thuermer.
25X1 17. [) Accompanied George Carver, SAVA, who
briefed the full House Armed Services Committee on current situation in
Indochina. See Transcript and Memo for Record.
25X1 18. I Talked to Charles Ablard, USIA, about tactics
in dealing with the Case amendment to the Foreign Relations Authorization
Act, S. 3256 (restricting dissemination of information abroad). We agreed that
Ablard would take the initiative in getting in touch with Tom Korologos, of the
White House, and they would decide on which members of the Senate to call for
support. I said we would be glad to go along with them in approaching people
like Senators Dominick and Baker, whom we knew were sympathetic, but would
not want to participate in meetings with members of the Senate where our
presence might be a liability. Ablard will let me know what he and Korologos
work out.
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25X1 19. Called Brian Atwood, in the office of Senator
Eagleton, in response to Atwood's call to and said George Carver
would be glad to brief the Senator on Vietnam at 2:00 p.m., Thursday, 11 May.
25X1 20. Called Frank Slatinshek, House Armed Services
Committee staff, to say that Mr. Houston and I would be glad to appear before
Chairman Nedzi's Subcommittee to discuss security and classification problems
effecting the intelligence community at 10:00 a. m. on Tuesday, 9 May.
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25X1 5. Called Jim Woolsey and later Ed Braswell,
Senate Armed Services Committee staff, about the Director's possible
appearance this afternoon before Chairman Stennis and other members of
the Committee to discuss Vietnam. As it developed, the Chairman was
tied up on the floor throughout most of the day and the briefing never came off.
25X1 6. Discussed with Frank Slatinshek, House
Armed Services Committee staff, the briefing tomorrow of the full Committe5xi
on the Vietnam situation. I said we weren't sure who would give the briefing
and asked if there were any particular questions we should be 'prepared. for.
25X1 7. At his request I met with George Murphy, Joint
Committee on Atomic Energy staff, who told me there was some rumbling
about the possibility of asking the Director to meet with the Joint Committee
within the next couple of weeks to bring them up-to-date on Soviet activities
in submarine and misale fields. He said this interest has been generated
as a result of Senator Proxmire's opposition to the ULMS and a desire on the
part of some Committee members to find out what the Soviets have been doing
in recent months. Murphy merely wished to alert us at this point. He said
thus far Representative Price has agreed to ask us for a briefing but it has
not been taken up with Chairman Pastore.
25X1 8. In a chance meeting with Tom Korologos, of
the White House staff, I brought him up-to-date on what we were doing with
regard to the State authorization bill. I said we had given Ed Braswell, Senate
Armed Services Committee staff, material and proposed amendments which
Senator Stennis could use for an amendment against the 10 percent personnel
cut (with a specific exemption for the Agency or elimination of the entire
provision depending on Stennis' wishes) and had provided Charles Ablard,
USIA, with material which he could use in pulling together general arguments
against the dissemination of information provision. Korologos agreed completely
with our desire not to involve the Agency in a floor debate on this latter section.
25X1 9. Talked with Miss Barbara Bingley, on the staff
of Representative Gilbert Gude (R., Md.), about a personnel case on which the
Congressman had contacted us and made arrangements to discuss the case with
Mr. Gude next Thursday at 2:30 p.m. after he has returned from a trip abroad.
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25X1 1. Talked to Frank Slatinshek, Assistant Chief
Counsel, House Armed Services Committee, who said Chairman Hebert was
reluctant to call on the Agency to brief the full Committee on Vietnam but
apparently would yield to the Committee pressure for an early briefing. We
agreed that the briefing should cover the background to the present situation,
the current military operations, enemy capabilities and intentions, situation
regarding friendly military forces, South Vietnamese political situation, and
general long term prospects. We should be prepared for questions on allegations
of "intelligence failures," etc.
Slatinshek said a record will be made and kept available for all members
of Congress in :accordance with current Committee rules.
I further discussed the above with Slatinshek who confirmed the briefing
would be at 10:00 a, m, on Thursday, 4 May. I told him that we still had not
decided whether the Director or someone else would give the briefing.
I also discussed with Slatinshek the request of Representative Charles
Rangel for several classified Agency reports on the narcotics situation.
Slatinshek agreed that we should not provide these reports but should offer
to brief Rangel. He said if pushed to the wall, we could refer Rangel to the
Committee.
25X1 2. Charles Ablard, General Counsel, USIA,
called to say Tom Korologos, of the White House staff, had raised the question
of whether, in view of Senator McGee's success in restoring the USIA cuts in
the Senate, we might want to reconsider our strategy on the "attribution"
amendment to the Foreign Relations Authorization Act, S. 3256 (which would
require that any Government agency disseminating information abroad identify
itself). I told Ablard I thought we should indeed take another look and we might
find a way of fighting this amendment without spotlighting the Agency's interest
in the matter. We agreed to confer again later today or tomorrow after looking
into the matter further.
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25X1 17. I In line with his previous conversation
with Mr. Maury, spoke with Mr. Charles Ablard, General Counsel, USIA,
and agreed to send him our proposed floor statement and amendment on
section 205, Restrictions on Preparation and Dissemination of Information
Abroad, of S. 3526, the Foreign Relations Authorization Act of 1972.
Mr. Ablard is still leaning towards pursuing the amendment in conference
committee rather than on the Senate floor, but said there still was ample
time to consider possible Senate floor action as the provision would probably
not come up for vote until sometime in the middle of next week.
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18. Called Ralph Preston, House Appropriations
Committee staff, and told him that the Director would be pleased to meet
with the Chairman and the special group on the 16th but that it is a difficult
day for him to schedule and asked if the 17th might be an agreeable date for
the Chairman. Mr. Preston told me that there would be no problem for the
Chairman in changing from the 16th but that he would be unable to meet on the
17th. There is a Democratic Caucus scheduled for that morning. Mr. Preston
will see what he can work out with the Chairman for the 18th but he is not
overly optomistic for that date. He will call me when he has had a chance to
discuss it with the Chairman. I confirmed with Mr. Preston his visit to
Headquarters for review of the Agency budget for Friday, 5 May, at 10:00 a.m.
Mr. Preston will be staying for lunch. The Director's office and Messrs.
Tweedy, D/DCl/IC, and Briggs, OPPB, have been advised.
25X1 19. I Received a call from Mr. George Berdes, National
Security Policy and Scientific Developments Subcommittee staff of the House
Foreign Affairs Committee, and agreed on the title of "Current Status of Soviet
Strategic Strength" for Mr. Duckett's, DDSZET, briefing which is scheduled for
2:00 p.m. , Tuesday, 9 May. 25X1A
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25X1 13. (- A letter from Mr. Maury to Senator
William Saxbe (R., Ohio), responding to an inquiry from a constituent,was
delivered to Miss Peggy Rakestraw, member of the staff. The constituent
had forwarded an article alleging the creation of a secret intelligence
organization in the United States. The article appeared in a French news-
paper.
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John Heinz (R., Pa.). called concerning a letter received from a constituent,
The Constituent claimed he had written a
letter to the Agency requesting information on the structure of the Soviet
Air Force but as yet had received no reply. Joann inquired as to whether
the letter had been received and could such information be furnished.
Angus Thuermer had no record of receipt of such a letter, and determined
from Bruce Clarke that we would not be able to provide the information.
Mr. Clarke was sure that the Air Force could provide Dickinson an un-
classified paper. Joann was subsequently called and advised accordingly.
She appreciated our efforts and will so inform Mr. Dickinson.
15. Mr. Charles W. Mattox, International
Division, General Accounting Office, called and said he would like to meet
with someone from the Agency on an informal basis concerning CIA compliance
with section 402 of Public Law 92-226, which deals with grants of excess
defense articles to foreign countries. Mattox explained that the International
Division was contacting several other Federal agencies in this regard,
including the Department of Defense. I told Mr. Mattox I would pass on his
request. Mr. Warner, OGC, Mr. Blake, Director of Logistics, and
FE Division, were advised.
16. (Internal Use Only - LLM) Called Linn Noah, USIA, in connec-
tion with the House Foreign Affairs subcommittee markup of the State/USIA
authorization bill (S. 3526) to determine if the House bill would contain a
provision similar to section 205, Restrictions on Preparation and Dissemina-
tion of Information Abroad. Mr. Noah said he would find out and let us know.
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