JOURNAL - OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL

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• Publication Date: January 31, 1978
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Journal -- Office of Legislative Counsel
Tuesday - 31 January 1978
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LIAISON At the request of "
of our office, I called William G. Miller, Staff Director,
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, to tell him that a swearing
in ceremony for DDCI-designee Frank Carlucci had been tentatively
scheduled for 8 February at 5:00 p. m. I asked Miller if this conflicted.
with the Committee schedule and he indicated it did not.
39. LIAISON Received a call from Loch
Johnson, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence staff, who
said Mike O'Neil, of the staff, had been in touch with Robert Keuch at
the Department of Justice regarding the Agency's request to Justice far
views on the release of'an Agency document to the Committee which.
pertainedl . I told Johnson that Legislative
Counsel, letter to Justice on this had been addressed to Benjamin
Civiletti, Assistant Attorney General, DOJ, but that I would call
Mr. Keuch in hopes that he would be able to expedite a Justice Department
response.
40. LIAISON Called Ed Schallert,
Legislative Assistant to Representative Les Aspin (D. , Wis. ). We agreed to
7 February at 2-:?0 p. mi. on the Hill for NFAC,' briefing
of Mr. Aspin on SALT II verification capabilities and problems.
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41. LIAISON Received a call from Diane
LaVoy, House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence staff, and at
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strategic warning and indications; 7 February, 1:30 p.m. with
Chief, CIA Operations Center, for an intensive tour of the Operations Center;
and 7 February, 3:30 p. m. with IC Staff, regarding strategic 25X1
warning and indications.
42. LIAISON Received a call from Mike
Epstein, Senate Select Committee on Intelligence staff, who gave me the names.
of seven former Agency employees whose testimony before the Church
Committee has been requested by the House Select Committee on Assassinations.
Epstein indicated the Committee's inclination was to show the testimony
to the Assassinations Committee, however the Select Committee would listen
to our views on this.
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could not provide either the manning tables or budget that CIA devote o
the task. She said that she fully understood and appreciated the listing of
:the NSC/SCC Working Group to Combat Terrorism. I told her that
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;...provided the list of the 28 USG agencies which deal with terrorism through.
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23. LIAISON Suzanne Cavanaugh, from
Congressional Research Service, called with a request for a list of all
U. S. Government, agencies which deal with terrorism. She had a
requirement from. Senator Abrahaxn Ribicoff (D. , Conn.) to pull together a
package by 3 February on manning and budget charts of the entire USG
effort against terrorism. I warned her that most probably I would not be
very helpful and, after checking with PCS/Terrorism, I
the USG agencies involved.
from 1600 to 1720 hours. The subjects for briefing were:
24. BRIEFING Accompanied
OER, 0RPA, OER, and0
?ER, to a briefing at the Department o us ice (Andretta Room)
Attending the briefing were: Alan A. Parker, General Counsel, House
Judiciary Committee; Garner J. Cline, Edward A. Loughram, Arthur P.
Endres and Sid Rawitz, from the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration,
Naturalization and International Law; Gene Karp and Romano Romani, from
the office of Senator DeConcini; Dale DeHaan, from the staff of Senator
Kennedy; Marvin Wall, Terry Adamson and Doris Meissner, from Department.
of Justice, and David Simcox, from the Department of State. The briefing was
at the Confidential level. There were no outstanding questions.
2g, LIAISON Debbie Weatherly, of Representative
Joseph M. McDade Is (.e Pa.) office, called. She said a District of Columbia
businessman wanted to know if the Agency ever used American businessmen as
private couriers overseas. I gave a negative reply.
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tenu a+there.:': Egstei confirmed-what Miller had said and suggested
that Ambassador Carlneci review the testimony of Fred Mallick before
the Watergate Committee and Epstein provided us with a copy of that
staff, and .expressed somexrritation at the line of questioning during
this morning's hearing ,related to periods of Ambassador Carlucci's
assignment to U. S. `L domestic positions. Miller said he thought Epstein
and Senator William Hathaway (D., Maine) merely wanted to clear the
record insofar as the lack of any involvement by Ambassador Carlucci
in certain alleged political dealings in domestic agencies during his
then Mike Epstein, both af.the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence.
JOURNAL
OFFICE OF LEGISLATIVE COUNSEL
1. LIAISON Talked with Bill Miller and
testimony.
3. LIAISON Received a call from Mike
Hershman, Deputy Staff Director, House International Relations Subcommittee
on International Organizations (Fraser Subcommittee). He informed me
that the Subcommittee had authorized the issuance of subpoenas on six
persons, five of them present or former CIA employees and the sixth
being Admiral Turner. The subpoena to Admiral Turner will relate to the
production of certain documents. Hershman said that before the subpoenas
are issued, Chairman Donald Fraser (D., Minn.) is to meet with the Attorney
General to discuss the status of Justice Department inquiries and the Sub-
committee leaks. Hershman is not optimistic that the matter will be resolved
at the meeting, however, and urged the channels of communication between the
Agency and himself, the Director and Chairman Fraser be kept open. He
said they wanted to communicate as much as possible on this matter.
I notified Tony Lapham, General Counsel, of my conversation with
Hershman. He is to call the Justice Department to alert them, if they are
not already aware of the Subcommittee's intentions regarding subpoenas.
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4. LIAISON Tony Lapham, General Counsel,
is to contact John Nields, on the staff of the House Committee on Standards
of Official Conduct, to advise him of our communication with Paul, Michel,
Justice Department nd of Michel's we
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I lare following up on this here.
LIAISON Per his request, mailed
to Wilson eyno s, in me office of Representative Michael Harrington
(D. , Mass. ), a copy of the "National Basic Intelligence Factbook. 16
6. LIAISON Per her request, mailed
"to Louise Hoppe, on the staff o the Senate Armed Services Committee,
ten copies.of the unclassified publication, "A Dollar Cost Comparison
of Soviet and U. S. Defense Activities, 1967-77. "
7.. LIAISON Forrest Frank, of the staff of
the House International Relations Subcommittee on International Security
and Scientific Affairs, called to request an Agency publication on Soviet
and U. S. defense expenditures. He also asked for a paper on the Brazilian
defense industry. After checking with NFAC/CSS, office
we obtained for him- the Agency publics ion entitled, Dollar Cost
Comparison of Soviet and U.'S. Defense Activities, 1967-77" but discovered
that the best way to provide him with information on the Brazilian defense
industry was to give him a briefing on the subject. Frank accepted this and
said he would get back in touch with us to suggest a date and time for the
briefing. The publication will be sent to him.
8. BRIEFING Accompanied
NFAC/OR , to a briefing of Senator Dick Clark (D. , Iowa on t e c
of Africa. Staffers Bruce van Voorst and Pauline Baker sat in on the
briefing also. Senator Clark was extremely pleased with
briefing and there were no follow-ups.
9. LIAISON/THIRD AGENCY Took a call from
Blaine Porter, Korean Desk, Department of State, regarding House
International Relations Subcommittee on International Organization request.
for declassification of State Department documents containing CIA material.
I told Porter that he was right not to take the Subcommittee staff's word that
the Agency material had already been cleared by us. Made arrangements to
get the document in question to SA/DO/0
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10.1 LIAISON Called 'l rry, in the office
of Senator Milton Young (R., N. Dak.), to arrange an appointment for
Ambassador Carlucci to meet the Senator. Terry said the Senator is
out sick today and asked that I check with her again tomorrow.
11. I I LIAISON Called Duggie Hatry, Clerk,
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and asked the room number for
the confirmation hearing for Ambassador Carlucci on 27 January. She
advised it will be held in 6202 Dirksen Senate Office Building.
12. LIAISON Pat Butler, in the office of
Senator Alan Cranston (D. , Calif. ), called and set 1 February at 5:15 p. m.
for Ambassador Carlucci to meet the Senator.
13. LIAISON Per I I request I
forwarded to Richard Giza, of the House Permanent Select Committee
on Intelligence staff, documents on the Agency's ADP assets inventory.
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14. LIAISON Met with Senator Charles Percy
(R., Ill.) in his office regarding past Agency intercepts of his mail. I
showed him the full text of the mail intercepts and left with him a sanitized
version of four mail intercepts.
15.1 LEGISLATION Called Barbara Torrey,
Office of Management and Budget, and she readily granted an extention until
25 October on our response to the Administration's draft proposal for
cost-of-living adjustments for retirement programs.
16. 1 LEGISLATION Called Irving Jaffe, Office
of the Deputy Assistant Attorney General, Civil Division, concerning a
potential problem with proposed revision of Federal Tort Claims Act.
Mr. Jaffe said that Justice was going to propose an amendment which would
result in the Act's application to constitutionally tort committed overseas.
This amendment would take care of our problem, (See Memorandum for the
Record.) /
pEORGE L. CARY
Legislative Counsel
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Addendum to Journal - Office of Legislative Counsel
Tuesday - 24 January 1978
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5, LIAISON Talked to Fred Barron,
in the Attorney General's office, who acknowledged receipt of the infor-
mation provided him under a letter signed by Tony Lapham, General
Counsel, concerning the House International Relations Subcommittee
on International Organizations staff leaks. In response to my request,
Barron assured me that the material would only be reviewed by the
Attorney General and himself and Benjamin R. Civiletti, Assistant
Attorney General, and that iai keep5ng with our preferences he would
seek to have the material returned to the Agency for safekeeping and
further review by Department of Justice attorneys as required.
O/SA/DO4 has been advised.
6. LIAISON Jim Gehrig, on the staff of
the Senate Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee, called to
have a fill-in on the COSMOS 954.
STAT 7.1 BRIEFING Grenville Garside,
Staff Director, Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee, called
to lay on a briefing on the PRC energy picture for himself and Dan Dreyfus,
Deputy Staff Director, in preparation for their trip to China with Chairman
Henry M. Jackson (D., Wash.).
STAT 8. LIAISON Talked to Mike Kelly,
in the Attorney General's office, further concerning the investigations
by the House International Relations. Subcommittee on International
Organizations.
STAT 9. LIAISON In his absence, left word for
Representative Robert Carr (D., Mich.) that the answer to the question
that he raised on 19 January is still "no" and V,-anything to the contrary
is found out I will be back in touch, imni d;at'e1v-
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ORGE L. CARY
Legislative Counsel
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24. LIAISON Received a call from Jack
Brady, Chief of Staff, House International Relations Committee. Brady
said some of the staff members of the Subcommittee on International
Organizations (Fraser Subcommittee) had informed him that the Justice
Department had completed its action on the Derwinski matter but that
executive agencies (particularly CIA) were still unwilling to resume access
by the Subcommittee staff to documents not previously examined or
witnesses interviewed. I told Brady that our information was quite to the
contrary and that as I had indicated to him several days ago, the Attorney
General had advised the Director that the Fraser Subcommittee matter was
still open. I also restated to Brady my hope that before the Subcommittee
issued subpoenas for further, access to material and witnesses that
Representative Donald Fraser (D., Minn.) or Chairman Clement Zablocki
(D., Wis.) would discuss this matter further with the Attorney General.
Brady thanked me for my assistance and said he would keep me informed.
25. I I LIAISON Talked with Stan Taylor,
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, about the progress being made
by the Committee staff in investigating Ambassador Carlucci's background
in connection with his. nomination to be DDCI. Taylor had confirmed that
the Committee had received Ambassador Carlucci's nomination from the
White House. He also asked me about the Detroit Free Press article
alleging that Secretary of State Vance and Dr. Brzezinski, Assistant to
the President for National Security Affairs, were unhappy with Admiral
Turner and were trying to get rid of him. I told Taylor I was aware of
the rumors because of the press article but told him I was aware of
nothing specific on this. I did comment, however, that anyone who is
placed in a difficult position such as Admiral Turner is bound to be the
subject of criticism or unhappy reaction.
26. LIAISON Ambassador Carlucci met
privately with Senator Richard Lugar (R., Ind.) on his courtesy call.
27. LEGISLATION Called John Elliff, Senate
Select Committee on Intelligence staff, to ask about hearings scheduled for
24 January on S. 1566, the electronic surveillance legislation. Mr. Elliff
said that the American Civil Liberities Union and Mortin Halperin were the
scheduled witnesses, and Senator Birch Bayh (D. , Ind.) had a prepared
statement. He also said that the next scheduled hearings were 3 February
and the Committee would begin mark-up the week after those hearings.
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