MEETING WITH PRESIDENT'S FOREIGN INTELLIGENCE ADVISORY BOARD (PFIAB) CHAIRMAN LEO CHERNE

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• Publication Date: June 9, 1976
• Content Type: REPORT

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MEETING WITH PRESIDENT'S FC?REIGN
I1~TELLIGENCE ADVISORY BOARD (PFIA.B)
CHAIRMAN I.,EU CHERNE
Wednesday, June 9, 1976
12e00 naon`?{,2Q minutes)
C+val C7ffice
Froxx~.4 Bren? Scowcroft
I, - PURPC75E
DOJ, NSS, NSA
Reviews
Completed
To discuss with the Ghaarman of your Foreign Intelligence
Advisory Board (PFIAB), Leo Chern~.e, his reservations. con-
cerning (1) pending legislation regarding Electronic SurveiLlarxce,
and (Z) recent guidelines provided by the Attaxney General to
l~I5A pertaining to such surveillances
Il. BACKGROUND, PARTICIPANTS AND PRESS ARRANGEMENTS
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A. Bachround: Chairman Cherne wishes to express the
Board's concern regarding recent guidelines issued by
the Attorney General to NSA -- guidelines which he feels. ?
avexl}r restract.legitaxnate foreign intelligence collecti.can
and dissemination activities. In addition, Cherne
considers the Administrataan's draft Electronic Surveil-
lance Act -- currently under consideration by the Senate
Judiciary Committee -- a potential impediment to
effective intelligence collection as well.
Specifically, the Pl~'I.AB Ghaixman is concerned that the
Attorney General's guidelines to NSA xnay serf ously ixnpair
our ability to identify and prevent terrorist activities. It
is his interpretation that constraints on dissemination of
individual names to the Secxet Service and. law enforce-
ment agencies vrould seriously inhabit effective anti-
terrorist operations.
Regarding the draft legislation, Cherne is woxried about
the possible usurpation by the Judiciary of your Gonstitutional
authoxity rei;ardzng control aver national security wire taps.
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He is troubled also by undue restrictions on dissemination
of the intercept pxoduct and by the seeming prohibition of
electronic surveillance as a legitimate tool of our counter-
intelligence efforts in.the Un`.ted S`~ates.
A copy of the Attorney. General's guidelines are at Tab A.
The draft Electronics Surveillance Act is at 'Tab B.
As you will recall, the Attorney Genexal h~.s met with you
on several occasions over the past six months an these
subjects and your decisions have been to support some
form of restrictive legislation regarding domestic
surveillance activities. In issuing Executive Order .119Q5,
you have also proscribed certain of these activities. Bath
the NSA guidelines and the Administration's draft bill. are
xnore specific than the mare genexal guidance contained an your
Executive Order. In effect, both the legislation, an,d the guide-
lines call for a concerted effort on the part of all agencies
involved in electronic collection efforts to insure that
collected xnatexial which contains any information about
persons or entities protected under the Constitution and
its amendments is used on].Y far lts farexgn intelligence
value and, if possible, is not collected in the first place
unless there is a xeadily appaxent and legitimate reason
for doing so. .
The Senate Judiciary Gomnnittee hopes to xepart out the
Electronic Surveillance Act this week. The IVSA guidelines
issued by the Attorney ~G eneral on May 7 went into effect on .
June 1. It is therefore with some urgency that the PFIAB
seeks to discuss their xeservations with you and to make clear
the lasses that may accrue in our intelligence effort.
B. Participants: Leo Cherne, Stephen Ailes, William Baker '
Edward Bennett Williams, Wheaton Byers, Phil $uchen
and Brent Scowcra.ft. .
C. Press Arrangements: The meeting will not be announced.
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ISI. TALKING P?.IlVTS .
1. I am glad to see that the Baard is taking an actives interest
in this matter. As you know, this subject has been debates
thoroughly avex^ the p~.st xaizonths and we are now iri the first.
stages of implementing new guidelines that rxzust meet much.
mare careful congressional scrutiny. .
2. I understand you and the .Baard have some specific concerns
xegarding both the proposed legislation an electraxsic
surveillance and the Attorney General's guideline s fox NS?.~
which he recently issued. Before we get into the specifics,
hawev a r, I want to paint out that I am also interested in any
general observations you may have regarding this whole
subject area. I am well aware that practical pxoblems
can develop in imple~n.enting necessary safeguards.
Far Use As Appropriate)
3. Da you think we have sufficient flexibility under the proposed
legislation to meet emergency requirements? I am thinking
now oi' something like the sudden outbreak of hostilities in
the Middle East, or perhaps tke development of a significant
texrarist threat to our nuclear power facilities..
4. What is your view an the constraints an .the Executive Branch
regarding the protection of iziform.ation an U. S, persons
gathered incidentally which xnay. ar may not have same
intelligence value, but which is perishable and would be of
little use unless quickly disseminated? ?.
5. I would appreciate your making an effort toward specific
corrective language, bath to the bill as well as for the
guidelines.
6. I can assure you that I share your, desire to provide our
intelligence analysts and dux policy makers with the best
and most up-to-date intelligence upon whx~ch to base sound,
informed judgxnerxts. We cannot afford in these times to
be caught with our guaxd down. I hope you will continue
to consult r~vith m.e an this"' important matter.
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~c~ "Co~nunicaut" mear~.s t~ze sender or. ax~.y irz~~nded ~ . -
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