SUMMARY OF VISIT TO SRI-I (8-10 DEC 80)

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• Publication Date: December 12, 1980
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MEMORANDUM FOR THE RECORD
SUBJECT: Summary of Visit to SRI-I (8-10 Dec 80)
1. (U) PURPOSE: This MFR covers the primary points covered during my
3-day visit to SRI-I. LTC Richard E. Hartzell, INSCOM Command Psychologist,
accompanied me. COL Chad White, ADCSOPS-HUMINT, spent Monday, 8 Dec 80 with
us, but then had to leave to conduct official business elsewhere.
2. (U) Attached as Incl 1 is an outline of the schedule that we followed.
3. (S/NOFORN) I briefed the following SRI-I personnel on the current status
of the proposed Joint Services contract:
SG1J
Dr. Hal Puthoff
Russell Targ
Dr. Ed May
Beverly Humphrey
DIA (Program
moni to r)
I made it very clear that I was not privy to the results of the numerous meetings
taking place between the Service JAG's nor what the recommendations were going
to be. I stressed that the problem seemed to be the age-old one of morvin,grany
proposal of importance through the system. Also,. I had no reason to believe
that the proposed contract would fail to be approved. I informed everyone that
we (INSCOM) would have to wait for the Services' legal officers to clarify the
situation and then get DA approval for Army participation in the program. When
DA gives approval, then OACSI will give INSCOM the 'go-ahead" for providing
concrete guidance to the SRI-I contractors. Until that time, INSCOM (and ACSI)
does not want SRI-I to begin working on any portion of the proposed Joint SO.rrvic.es
contract that directly relates to our requirements.
4. (S/NOFORN) We did discuss what the goals would be of the two programs that
INSCOM would want SRI-I to carry out once approval was obtained from DoD/DA. The
goals of these two programs would be:
a. Audio/Sematic Analysis - Develop Audio Analysis techniques that can,
under operational conditions, separate the correct from the incorrect statements
concerning data available from taped viewer descriptions of remote viewing
problems.
b. Targeting Requirements - Develop techniques which will indicate what
is required for target acquisition, and whether or not these techniques or
abilities are individual in nature.
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5. (S/NOFORN) We also discussed the status of the program currently being
organized to work on the tracking/locating RV problem. This program is
separate from the Joint Services proposal, and has already been funded by ACSI.
However, as of this date the 50K that ACSI transferred to FTD for eventual use
at SRI-I still has not reached SRI-I. I was informed by that budgetS G1J
officers from SRI-I and FTD have discussed the situation and on that basis
SRI-I is satisfied that the money is on the way. Therefore, Dr. Puthoff and S GU
associates have already started work on this program. agreed to
monitor this situation for Army and to stay on top of the money problem..
I told him I would check with OACSI, but felt that Army would have no objections
and thanked him for his. offer.
6. (S/NOFORN) During my meeting with Ingo Swann I learned that he (Swann)
was upset that Army had apparently chosen not to back the development of
his "new training program" and that Army was instead proposing to put their
money into other aspects of the program. Apparently, Mr. Swann felt that his
briefing to Army personnel in late July 80 had been given for the purpose of S GU
obtaining funds from Army. In a later meeting with the subject came:
up again. I informed that I had not perceived the July 80 meeting
as a "pitch" for funds, and at that time in response to our questions Mr. Swann
had stated that his program would not be completed for almost 1 year at which
time we could negotiate for having some of our personnel trained. At this time,
Swann does not appear ready to agree to training any outsiders unless he has
complete control over the selection process, and any follow-on training that might
be needed. He reacted in a very hostile manner to my inquiry about the possibility
of some people receiving training in the next year or so. Again, S GU
explained this hostile attitude as being a result of Swann's perceived idea that
the Army did not want to back his program. went on to explain that
even though DIA will be funding this aspect of the overall program there will
not be enough money to see the training program through completion. In response
to whether or not Army would be willing to put some dollars into this segment
of the program, I told I would let OACSI know of. his concern and that
he should bring the sub~ec up a the quarterly Grill Flame meeting on the
23d of Jan 81.
7. (S/NOFORN) gave the following summary as being the current
status at SRI- regar ing work in the Grill Flame arena:
a. As of the 1st of FY 81, SRI-I was out of funds to carry on work in the
Grill Flame area.
b. That a "dummy" contract number has been set up to charge against
until joint contract gets approved. This is being done on basis of conversation
S GU with Dr. Vorona and
c. That SRI-I will have to let some project personnel go as of the first
of the year. This will probably be one Senior Scientist and some kind of cut-
back in administrative personnel.
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8. (U) I expressed my strong reservations about the legality of working
against tasks when no contracts have been approved and stressed again that
we wanted no work done on Army projects until contracts were approved.
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Incl MURRAY WATT
as LTC, MI
INSCOM GRILL FLAME
Project Manager
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