CENTER LANE INTERVIEW SUMMARY - HU-1073/8404/01

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SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary - HU-1073/8404/01 (U)
1. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) On 290930 March 1984, source #01 was
interviewed by monitor #66 in an attempt to verify the suspected
location of an individual identified as William F. Buckley. The
project 8404 sponsor had provided an overhead photograph of the
suspected building, a map of the area, and a photograph of
Buckley (see Incl 1).
2. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) For this interview source was initially
shown the photograph of Buckley and asked to describe his
perceptions of Buckley's location. No other identifying data
was provided to source at the time of the interview. Source
had, however, become aware that Buckley was a kidnap victim.
After the interview, source was shown the overhead photograph in
an (unsuccessful) attempt to match his drawing to the suspected
building. All other intelligence information was withheld for
use as feedback and cuing for possible subsequent interviews.
3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared (see Incl 2).
4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the
sponsor. This report related the salient points of the
interview. Attached to the report was a drawing provided by
source (see Incl 3).
Association with the below named individual and Military
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#66: This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0930 hours
29 March 1984. Relax now and focus your attention
today, 29 of March on the individual in the
photograph I've provided you. Focus on this
individual today and describe his location to me.
#01: ........... I get a cluster of buildings all joined
together, standing in some format with like a fence
around it. ......... Just a hedge. ... ....It's
evidently identity to this group of buildings that
make it a group. See two inner court yards and
large court yard, three court yards.... three
blockish buildings, squared, all the buildings in
the group are. Steep roofs. Still spiraled
(spiraled), but it's got something to do with the
design oFthe buildings, or associate design to the
buildings of some kind. ......... Some of them are
gray and some are tanned. .....Very rough stucco
like finish. ......... Everytime I try to
ah..picture of where he's at, I get a fog or a mist
comes across my mind, a smoke, or a mist or a fog.
............ He's
drugged.
being kept very sedated or heavily
#66:
Okay,
right,
him.
let's kind of stay away from him. You're
that may be the source of your fogginess is
Describe your relative position of observation
as you see this group of three buildings that you
told me about.
#01:
It's more than three,
it's three court yards,...ah
..um, ah....I'm pretty much over,...over them, 600
feet up ........ trying to orient myself to north and
ah ..... it would appear that the line of the
grouping of the buildings is roughly.... lengthwise,
north to south, .... so the front of the building
faces west. ...Trying to get a feel for the center
of town.
#66: No, I don't want to spread out quite so far.
#01: Okay.
#66: This group of buildings, you say, have some sort of
a wall around it?
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#01: Ah..I'm inclined to say fence, but I can't, because
I don't see a fence, it's ah...there's something
around it that ah...I wouldn't ...ummmm, it's hard to
tell it, it's like mix of things, a hedge and fence
combined or a wall and fence combined, something.
#66: I remember now, you said something like a hedge,
okay. Let us work, do you have enough information
that you can kind of draw me a group of buildings
with something surrounding like hedge?
#01: Just a minute.
#66: (mumble).
#01: Okay.
#66: Okay. Now, I need a north, south, east, west and I
need the immediateness of the little bit north and a
little south and I'm not worried about the compass
north, south, east and west, I'm just worried about
the four directions from what you call a group of
buildings.
#01: Okay. ........ North is ah.... there's a clustered
object, ah...building or part of a piece of a
building the looks like four cylinders squeezed
together. Could be a collection of smoke stacks.
#66: Now, we're within what, 50 meters or-
#01: Ah,..no--
#66: You're really close, right?
#01: Ah...a block maybe.
#66: Okay.
#01: South is a.... God, I don't know what it is, it's a--
#66: That's fine, just, don't tell me what it is, you
just have to describe it.
#01: Like the bottom half of rocking chair with a closed
"H" sitting on top. The outward part of the rocking
chair leg is faced south, the inner is faced north.
....West, a group of horns like, it's an object so
much like that air raid siren type things, it's just
an arc of horns.
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#66: All right. You have some horns, air raid type siren
horn things.
#01: Well, that's what it looks like, I'm not saying
that's what it is.
#66: I understand. To one side. Now to the other side,
the opposite to the east.
#01: ...... ..... ..... It's like a very, very large
wall of~some kind or...it's either a large wall or
it's a very narrow building, one or the other and
it's got a rounded upper edge. .......... With
spikes through it. ....... It's some kind of wall
that I just got. .......... Ali .... section of wall,
ah...
#66: You found orienting yourself as you have with the
descriptors, this group or cluster of buildings, are
they contiguous touching each other or are they
separate (mumble)?
#01: No, they're all.... they're all both. Some are
touching and some aren't'.
#66: You said that there was some underline cribus that
they're all together?
#01: Yes, it's like they have an identity or something,
ah...let's see....... ah...ah, it's sort of like
they're ...ah, I don't know, it's like if you had a
hotel complex that you converted into something, a
learning or training place.
#66: A learning, training is okay.
#01: ........ (mumble) learning or training place that's
converted, that's what it's converted to....ah....
I'll say used for... living there, residences.
#66: Okay, take a minute on your own now to orient
yourself so that you might render an accurate sketch
of this place.
#01: ...................................... Okay.
#66: Okay, turn your attention now to the individual, the
individual in the photograph, and tell me how he's
doing.
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#01: Okay, just a minute. ........... I'm barely seeing
him, he's like buried in a mist of, fog. .......
He's ah ....... being given drugs with a needle, ...
in the left arm. ...... It's a recurring thing.
He's very far away. ........ That's all I can get on
him.
#66: Okay, fine. Let's sketch the locations that you're
working with.
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DRAWING EXPLANATION HU-1073/8404/01
#01: Okay, what I drew here is like this cluster of
buildings surrounded by hedge type fence. The four
round high objects clustered together to the north
or what I perceive to be of the north of me, may not
be, but north on the paper. The rocker shape with
the closed "H" on the top to the south. A high
large wall with a rounded edge to the east and a
circle of horn shapes like air raid sirens to the
west. And these are obviously symbolic in some
sense, so they're probably a significant things, you
know, it's a significant part of something else, you
know, recognize more significant part of something
else.
#66: Okay.
#01: Now, that's all I want to say.
#66: Okay. Now, as we look at your drawing and your
orientation, I want to show you some overhead
imagery of this area and on it are some labels of
suspected areas, which is fine, just remember, we
are more interested in the possibility of a
suspected neighborhood. It may be anything in and
around this whole thing. I have a first picture
here. You want to be drawing your attention, not to
their writing and their ideas, but other
poss
have
ibilities
the thin
of
gs fr
thin
om d
gs that are going on. Now we
ifferent angles.
#01: Yeah
. That's interesting.
#66: Serp
entine ob
stacl
e?
#01: Serp
entine, b
ecaus
e I
was getting an impression of a
spir
al type d
esign
, or
something very close to it.
#66: You
know we h
ave t
his
whole thing here and let's not
pay
attention
to t
he n
orth arrow here yet.
#01: No,
I'm not,
I'm
not
going to pay attention to it
yet.
Let me
look
on
this thing and see what I ...
come
up with
here.
I
ah....
#66: We h
ave some
diffe
rent
angles to look at too.
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#01: Um, um. ...... I'm inclined to think that ah... if I
had to pick a building off this, I would pick this
building right now, because I'm inclined to think
that, that pattern there might my rounded objects,
although they're not high.
#66: Okay, you're pointing to the building adjacent to
the one they've labeled suspected building?
#01: Yeah. And ah.... I'm looking for my rocking horse
down here and it might just be a pattern, of trees
or something, I might not even be on the photo.
high wall to the other side. What the hell is this?
#66: Graveyard.
#01: Graveyard, hm, that might be what I was seeing,
that's a wall that goes around that graveyard.
That's a very high wall and it might be what I was
perceiving, over here, the horns, oh, what the hell
that could be. I'm inclined to think it's that
building from this picture. Are there other views?
#66: Yeah, fine.
#01: Let's look at the other views here. That line is
off a little bit.. .What happened to the resolution,
did they fuzzy them so we wouldn't know how good
they are at it?
#66: Um, um.
#01: That figures. I wonder what that is?
#66: This from a different angle.
#01: Um, um. .......... Let me look at the other picture
now. ........ I have to say it's the building next
to the suspect building, I think it's this one, I
really do.
#66: Okay.
#01: I think it's that one. It's just, it feels right,
because things are jellying that I didn't talk about
on the tape, like there is ah..the is an angle of
intersection here with the roads that feel better.
There's a perception of openness to this one side
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where I put the rocking horse. The ah..it just
feels better, I don't know how to say that, other
than it sure feels better so...I think it's across
the street from the suspect building.
#66: North is top of your page.
#01: The wall this way, well we can't really do that.
#66: The reason I do that is that I know a couple things
you don't.
#01: Oh, okay.
#66: And like concerning this building, this is also a
suspect building.
#01: Oh, I didn't know that see.
#66: And this is supposedly the, I believe the front
building or whatever.
#01: I've got objects screwy though.
#66: Well, yeah, I don't know. There is a wall behind
the building, here, a wall behind the building.
#01: Um, um. What these french horns are beats the hell
out of me.
#66: Well, I know something you don't.
#01: That there, there's a high, the only high object is
the tower on the crematorium or whatever they might
call that thing. This is also high something or
other, you can tell by the shadow.
#66: Right.
#01: I don't know what that is either.
#66: That would work too, if it were a high something or
other.
#01: Yeah. And the rocking horse or whatever that is, it
might show on the other things. My gut is is that's
the building right there, yeah that's the building.
#66: Okay.
#01: Okay?
#66: Thank you.
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1. NAME Of SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDENT
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PROJECT FRANCIS
4. REPORT OF FINDINO$
On 29 March .1984, Source 01. was interviewed in an attempt
to verify the suspected location of SUBJECT. Source stated
in substance as follows:
Source was unable to verify the suspected location of
SUBJECT. SUBJECT was located in a "cluster of buildings"
(riot further identified) surrounded by a. hedge type fence
(see EXHIBIT 1). These buildings were blockish, squared,
with steep roofs and inner court yards. Some of the
buildings were gray and some were tan but they all had a
rough stucco like finish. These buidings had been converted
into a learning or training place (not further identified).
SUBJECT was regularly given drugs (not further
identified) with a needle i.n. HIS left arm in order to keep
HIM "in a fog."
Source provided no further amplifying information on the
location of SUBJECT during this interview.
Attached hereto as EXHIBIT I is a drawing provided by
Source.
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