CENTER LANE INTERVIEW SUMMARY - CL-1020/8305/01

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• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP96-00788R001900190001-2
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• Document Creation Date: November 4, 2016
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• Publication Date: June 9, 1983
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SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary - CL-1020/8305/0$ (U)
1. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) On 070900 June 1983, source #01 was interviewed
by #66 in an attempt to obtain information relevant to a meeting
scheduled for 7 June 1983. The project 8305 sponsor had provided a
photograph of one the parties of the scheduled meeting (see Incl 1).
2. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) For this interview the participants at the
meeting were unknown to source and were identified only as Person A in
the photograph and Person B. See report CL-1018/8305/01 in reference
to a previo4y scheduled meeting of A and B. Source was asked to
describe the meeting between A and B on 7 June 1983. Source was told
that information related during his interview concerning the previous
meeting of A and B appeared to be partially correct and of some
value. No further information was provided to source as the
collection plan called for the use of this information as "feedback"
and cuing for possible subsequent interviews.
3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared (see Incl 2).
4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the sponsor.
This report related the salient points of the interview (see Incl 3).
1 Incl FREDERICK H. ATWATER
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TRANSCRIPT
#66: This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours
7 June 1983. Focus your attention now on the
individual in the photograph I've shown you. Focus
on the individual, 7 June 1983, and describe his
location to me.
#01: ....Him driving..... driving around a curve...slow
right, curve to...hill area... stopping by some
woods. Sitting in his car and waiting.
....See..thick stand of trees..like fir trees. ....
#66: The person in the photograph I've shown you, I'm
interested in an important meeting he has.
#01: (mumble) just a minute..I'm waiting for a
meeting ....... See different level.. road next to him
with other car stopping...the a...original person he
(mumble)..there. ...Get an impression that.. person
B is watching from the car. .....Ah..they're
meeting...He's talking about... talking about
requirements person B has, before he will come
from.the car. ... Something to do with...limits
or/and other people. ..They agree and..person B
is..coming from the car....Just a minute. ..... See
a white envelope, thin..but large...Has a..sketch of
something..inside...Just a minute. ..... Get an
impression of..hand drawn sketch of rooms and names
for rooms. ...Like a single floor diagram. This is
like a...some kind of a...example document or test
document. B has is paid for it, he's told that he
has to..it has to be checked first. He has to come
later.
#66: Okay. Break away from this for just a minute and
describe the immediate surroundings.
#01: ........Some kind of metal...stairs or ramp or
something to one side..steep.
#66: Does this mean outside or inside?
#01: ......It's under a cover. It's outside but it's
under some kind of cover. Cars are parked funny,
like two levels. Ah..have an impression of many
cars..gray concrete. I get an impression of cars
parked on different levels.
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#66: Okay. Now return to the individual in the
photograph.
#01: Okay.
#66: And tell me about what he wants from this meeting.
#01: Just a minute.
#66: I will wait.
#01: ..........Looking for... knowledge about specific
kinds of equipment-located in a building
somewhere. Wants a...sketch of locations. Keep
getting an impression of...like a hierarchy of rooms
or..line chart of rooms,..functions.
#66: Okay.
#01: Keep getting impressions of....floor plans--
#66: All right.
#01: --blueprints like.
#66: And if I understand you, this is, A is requesting
drawings of a location of some sort of equipment and
these drawings may represent that location?
#01: That is correct, but there's...more to it, it's
like-functional layouts..inked on blueprints.
#66: Okay.
#01: Hand written. ..... There's a test sketch provided
or-it's-not-exactly correct. It's like an
example. ...... Ah...not really required but...first
step in many... purchases. Can't...can't get what
they want initially-for some reason.
#66: Break that out.
#01: This a...Person B is a...a....got to
be...a....handled a.."sensitivally", with
sensitivity. Progressive deals, not...not one big
deal. ...... Get an impression he..thin'ks he is in
control. ...... That has to be maintained.
#66: Okay.
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#01: Saw more, more little deals, succession of little
deals, than one big deal.
#66: Okay. The individual in the photograph I've shown
you has in mind a very specific thing that he wants
from this other individual.
#01: Just a minute,..I'll..see if I can get that.
#66: Perhaps if you can sense the feeling of the person
in the photograph towards achievement of his
objective and then the objective will become clear.
#01: ...........Get a strong feeling of...real complexity
about delivery and a...... appearance of
delivery-style of delivery, appearance of how it's
to be done. I don't think there's any..question it
will be done. Think that...wait a minute..... Think
there's a verification problem with possession
difficult to confirm. B has actual possession.
Keep seeing him an ominus shadow of some kind,..big,
dark hulking type shadow. It's like in the back of
his mind.
#66: Okay. If I understand correctly, you're explaining
the feelings of the individual in the photograph,
that there is some problem verifying whether or not
this second party has, in fact, what is required?
#01: That's correct.
#66: All right. Ask of the person in the photograph to
explain or show you that which he is seeking.
#01: ............. See a smooth hard metalic object, all
black,...large..sitting on a trailer-with many
wheels. It's like a....--
#66: This-remember we are trying to converse now with
the person in the photograph, so it's necessary to
confirm your communication by telling him the
picture that you see so that you might be able to
confirm with him that this is what he's trying to
show you. I'm sure you're familiar with this
methodology.
#01: Yeah just a minute. .......... I don't know if I'm
getting overlay. I'm getting an orthographically
rotated..view of a large tank, it's just rotating
around.
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#66: All right, that would appear to be valid.
#01: It's just like it's not anywhere, except in space,
rotating.
#66: That would confirm this telepathic link that we have
with the person in the photograph as opposed to a
spacial object on the ground. Now as the meeting
progresses, the person in the photograph is seeking
something from this secondary party and you related,
I think, that he has some doubt as to whether or not
this second person actually has some possession.
Let's go along with the meeting and see if we can't
come to some resolve at the end of the meeting, as
to what is to take place.
#01: Okay, just a minute. ......... Ah..see a....he has
to...a.
#66: He coma who?
#01: Person A..has to take information he's got on papers
and-establish the credibility of location and
possession B claims and. guarantee some kind of
delivery of money.
#66: All right. Be careful with my next question, that I
don't lay something on you, but I want to validate
here. This diagram or sketch provided to the person
in the photograph, may in some way prove B has
possession of desired?
#01: Yes. Yes I get that impression.
#66: All right.
#01: It may be a...oh Gees, I don't know, it's a document
of some kind.
#66: Okay.
#01: Ah--
#66: Some sort of document which may be in fact drawings
or floor plan of a location?
#01: Yes. There's more than one document, though.
There's a...a...it's like a collage of things to
establish possession. Ah...B then expects a..to
establish the...the exchanged value of the money,
locationed, reality of payment.
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#66: All right. It would seem to be rather straight
forward, if I understand correctly, the two parties
have some responsibilities and the person in the
photograph has some responsibility to show that he
will pay and the person in the secondary position
has to somehow show that he has possession of that
which is required.
#01: That's correct.
#66: All right. Do you have anything further to add?
#01: That's all I got.
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AGENT REPORT
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CL-1020/3305/01
On 7 June 1983, Source CL-01 was interviewed concerning a
meeting scheduled for 7 June 1983. Participants at the
meeting were unknown to Source and were identified only as
Person A and Person B. Source was shown a photograph of
Person A. Source described the meeting substantially as
follows:
The meeting took place in an outside covered area (not
further identified). Near or at this area were metal stairs
or a steep ramp, cars parked on different levels, and gray
concrete.
At this meeting Person B gave Person A a large white thin
envelope containing a floor diagram of a building (not further
identified) and other documents (not further identified).
Person B was not paid for this material. He was told that the
material would have to be checked first and that he had to
"come later." The material provided by Person B at this
meeting was offered to Person A as proof of possession of that
which A wants from B.
When Source was asked to describe what it was that A
wanted from B, Source stated, "See a smooth hard metalic
object, all black ...a large tank." Source did not provide
any further description of this tank, but did state that
Person B had to be "handled with sensitivity" and that a
concept of "progressive deals, not one big deal" and letting B
think he is "in control" had to be maintained. Source also
stated that this meeting was only the "first step in many" and
that A could not get what he wanted from B initially "for some
reason" (not further identified). Source added that there was
a "real complexity" concerning the "style of delivery" (not
further identified) of what A wanted. This complexity
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involved an "appearance of delivery" or "appearance of how
it's to be done" (not further identified). Source summarized
his descriptions of the delivery complexities by saying, "I
don't think there's any question it (riot further identified,
but assumed to be delivery) will be done."
At the end of the meeting Person A was to take the
information provided by Person B and establish the credibility
of "location" (not further identified) and possession claimed
by B. Person A was also to guarantee some kind of delivery of
money (not further identified) presumably to B.
No further amplifying information concerning the meeting
was obtained from source during this interview.
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