CENTER LANE INTERVIEW SUMMARY - CL-1016/8305/01

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• Document Number (FOIA) /ESDN (CREST): CIA-RDP96-00788R001900160001-5
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• Document Page Count: 13
• Document Creation Date: November 4, 2016
• Document Release Date: June 23, 1998
• Sequence Number: 1
• Publication Date: May 23, 1983
• Content Type: MFR

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MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary - CL-1016/8305/01 (U)
1. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) On 100900 May 1983, Source #01 was
interviewed by #66 concerning the activities within an
unidentified structure. The project 8305 sponsor provided a
photograph of the structure (see Incl 1).
2. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) For this interview source was shown the
photograph provided by the sponsor. Source was asked to focus
his attention on the structure in the photograph and describe
the activities in the interior area. No further identifying
information was provided to source as the collection plan
called for the use of this information as "feedback" and cuing
material for possible subsequent interviews.
3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared including
a narrative explanation of the drawings which source provided
(see Incl 2).
4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the
sponsor. This report related the salient points of the
interview. Attached as an exhibit to the Agent Report was a
copy of source's drawings (see Incl 3).
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#66: This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours
10 May 1983. Focus your attention on the building
in the photograph I've shown you, in present time 10
May '83. Describe the activity in the interior area
to me.
# 0 1 : .Like a . .like a storage .......See rows of ...
white oblong shapes,.. gray.... They' re taller than
a..person on the side ....... Opened ...area where
there's ...they're being taken apart . ...... Peop
are trucking around inside...Seems they're moving on
big..carriers..carts.... Someone painting with a
spray gun.... spraying black paint.
#66: Explore through the building.
#01: ....... It's a..one building is higher. ..It's where
they're.. constructing these-things and...see
engines, parts of engines... Shelves are open...
large rockets..on these carriers. ..Saw an assembly
line, but it's slow..very slow.
#66: Okay. Where are the tubular shaped objects in the
building area, the large building divided up in
areas?
#01: ..They're on a carrier and they're rolled in a large
"U" pattern.. through the main building and go to
the..other building. They're lined horizontal.. and
they're moved horizontal... They do.... wires and
things there ....... See..a large truck entrance or
carrier entrance-by this, the shorter
building... overhead cranes and lifting equipment..
...Tubular objects are large,..very large.
#66: Break that out.
#01: Seeing one is laying on its side and there's a man
standing next to it. It's taller than he is...Ah,
perhaps 60 feet long ...Some kind of balls or round
things... inside this...see round holes-round
openings.-Having a difficult time with
the-difference of the tubular objects and the
machinery. Seems to be mixed, one in the same.
#66: All right.
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#01: Big machines.
#66: Look at the layouts from overhead in dollhouse view
so that you might draw it for me and describe.
#01: .....See rows of squares,..something square.
....Getting feelings of intense heat-it's in the
first building.
#66: All right.
#01: Large...large machines, -something to do with round
holes
#66: Break that out.
#01: These machines are-blocked inside are round holes
and they're polishing..cutting..ah..smoothing.
#66: Okay ..... Review the two buildings, review them and
describe in your own words the activity, the purpose
of this building, what happens here, in a total
perspective.
#01: ..Get an impression of refurbishing or tearing
something apart and rebuilding it,..assembly line
type activity-something stripped and then
redone, ..rebuilt. .into something different. ..Ah,
it's only part..get a....get a sense of something of
something that doesn't have anything to do with
machinery ..More of a,..more of a ...a ..mixing
something or...something live... chemicals...
#66: Break that out.
#01; ...See a...see tables with containers that..are
metal and there's something mixed and put in the
containers... But it's not inert, it's something
active,..something chemically active.
#66: All right.
#01: Like a...place that loads CBR equipment or
something. But it's only part of one of the
buildings. ...That's all I get.
#66: Okay. Take a moment to review the perceptions of
the building in its dollhouse format and what goes
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on in the different areas and your concept of
tubular objects, your concept of rebuilding
something, your concept of active chemicals in
someway. Take a moment now to review these and
explore the target beyond the confines of my
questions. Do this now.
#01: .........Get a...impression like a..it's some kind
of armament..... Trying to figure out what kind and I
get these... oblongs, these..tubular things.... Carts
with little wheels... That's all I get.
#66: Okay. Let's draw the perceptions you've had then.
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#01: Okay, Page #1 is a drawing of these objects. I
wrote in, drew in a little picture of a man to give
approximate scale. They're about bomb size, I guess.
#01: Page #2 is a way out of the two buildings, side by
side. They're all kind of like one roof . And I
labeled the different areas. The one area looks
like a series of very small rooms, all the
appropriate labelings there. And to this I would
add that the general flavor of this entire complex
area seems to be like a..a..a remanufacture of
something previously manufactured or retrofit.
There's a feeling or taste for armament here, not
armor, but armament. Then I get like an activity
that has a feel of CBR to it, some kind of chemical
or biologic type mixing or something. During this
the session I mention rockets and I think what I was
doing is I was mixing these bomb objects with the
actual machines, that are machines. I was getting
an impression of these huge round sections of
machines with engines and all this kind of thing and
I was creating rockets out of that, but that's not
what it is. What it is, is in the beginning of the
remanufacture process they insert these objects into
these big machines that are really huge. And the
machines grind them and polish and turn and pass
them on rollers from one machine to the next.
There's very little human contact once these objects
are stuck in the end of the manufacture line and
they come out the other side. That's essentially it.
#66: Okay. Anything else you want to add?
#01: No, that's all.
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For use of this form, see FM 30-17(C); AR 361-20; the proponent agency is the Office of the Assistant Chief of Staff for Intelligence.
9. NAME Of SUBJECT OR THE Of INCIDENT ~Z. HATE SUBMITTED
CL-1016/8305/01
On 10 May 1983, Source CL-01 was interviewed concerning
the activities within an unidentified structure. Source
stated substantially as follows:
This structure consisted of two buildings under one
roof. The "main" building (not further identified) was
described as being higher and having overhead cranes, lifting
equipment, very large machines which were taller than a man
and approximately 60 feet long, generally round and/or
cylindrical, and an assembly line. This assembly line led to
the second building (not further identified) which was
subdivided as shown in Source's drawing (see drawing 2).
Source stated that. "round tubular objects" (not further
identified), illustrated in Source's drawing (see drawing 1),
were constructed, refurbished, or rebuilt at this location.
The beginning of the "remanufacture process" involved
inserting the tubular objects into the large machines in the
"main" building. Source described the activity within the
large machines as polishing, cutting, grinding, and smoothing
ound holes in the tubular objects. This process involved
passing the tubular objects on rollers from one machine to
the next (numbers of machines and descriptions not
reported). Source stated that there was very little human
contact with the tubular objects once they were "stuck in the
end of the manufacture line" until they came out the other
side (not further identified). Source reported a feeling of
intense heat (riot further identified) within the "main"
building. Source also reported someone (not further
identified) spray painting black paint in this area (not
further identified).
Source was unable to provide a detailed description of
the activities of the second building. Source did report,
however, a somewhat different type of activity in one part of
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UNIDENTIFIED BUILDING
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the building (not further identified). Source described a
mixing of "something live," "something active," or "something
chemically active" in this area. This mixture was then put
in 41-- containers (not further identified). Source
summarized by stating that this looked "like a place that
loads CBR equipment or something."
Source concluded his description of this unidentified
structure by stating that this was a place for the
remanufacture or retrofit of "some kind of armament" and that
there was another activity, perhaps CBR related, here
involving "chemical or biologic type mixing."
No further amplifying information concerning the
unidentified structure was obtained from Source during this
interview.
Attached hereto as EXHIBIT' I are drawings provided by
Source.
AGENT'S NOTES: Source's description of the manufacturing
machines and objects being manufactured was confused and
limited by his inability to separate the objects from the
machines during processing. A great deal of complicated
activity was involved wherein the separate identity of the
object became lost within the mechanical maze of these large
machines.
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