CENTER LANE INTERVIEW SUMMARY - CL-1007/8305/01(Sanitized)

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• Publication Date: April 22, 1983
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MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD
SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary - CL-1007/8305/01 (U)
1. (S/NOFORN) On 150900 April 1983, source #01 was
interviewed by #66 in an attempt to locate and identify a ship
in a harbor area known to Source from a previous interview
(CL-1006/8305/01) (14 April 83).
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2(f-3- ) For this interview source was simply asked to
focus his attention on the ship in the harbor area he had
described in the previous interview. Source was not provided
any other identifying data.
3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared including a
narrative explanation of the drawings which source provided
(see Intl 1).
4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the
sponsor. This report related the salient points of the
interview. Attached as an exhibit to the Agent Report was a
copy of source's drawings (see Incl 2).
2 Incl
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FREDERICK H. ATWATER
CPT, MI
OPS/TNG Officer
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#66: This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours
15 April 1983. Relax now, relax and concentrate,
relax. Focus your attention now, right now in the
present time, 15 April 1983, on the ship, you have
identified, in the harbor area you know well.
#01: Just a minute.
#66: I will wait.
#01: Okay. I'm right at the nose looking down the right
side... impression is dark, dark, getting dark.
#66: Okay. Focus on 0600 hours, 0600 hours 15 April,
0600 hours 15 April 1983.
#01: ..See a ...see some guards hanging around
with...very few workers yet.
#66: Move to 1200 hours, 1200 hours 15 April 1983, 1200
hours.
#01: See the ship's nose is closed. It's a....almost
ready to depart. It's got something to wait on,
waiting for a tug or a... some kind of boat.
#66: Scan and identify ship.
#01: Got a pale green color, pale green with a...see a
red cargo line, that's not fully loaded, it's only
partially loaded but it's getting under way.
#66: Identify ship.
#01: .... .......Only getting a sensation that's a male
named one, which is unusual, think it's German.
It's a German name...See the...double dots over an
"N", letters are white, red background ......
#66: Describe the ship's crew.
#01: There's an emblem, just a minute, I'm working on it.
#66: I will wait.
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#01: .......See a red circle with a white star in the
center....It's like on the side of the..cabin area
to the rear...on the...stack,...yeah, it's a red
circle with a star, white star ..... Crew is
a...mixed....See a...small heavy set, dark skinned
people...Thick black hair ...... feeling for...a...
like Yugoslav, Greece area.
#66: Break that out.
#01: ..-.I'm searching for an identity for the crew...and,
and I just keep finding myself in that area of the
world, when I do that....
#66: Okay, focusing on the ship, move in time to 1800
hours, 1800 hours 15 April 1983.
#01: .. ..That sea moving through islands, continental
land mass to the south, undoubtedly islands, shallow.
#66: Take a moment now to obtain a perspective so that
you may render a map later, remembering the point of
origin.
#01: Wait ...... okay.
#66: Focusing on the ship once again, move to 0600 hours
16 April, 0600 hours 16 April.
#01: ..........Going through a channel that narrows.
It's like a double entry channel, neck of water, but
it's very wide .....
#66: Remember and move now to 1200 hours 16 April, 1200
hours 16 April.
#01: ....Just off a coastline, it's all rock, very
rugged, high cliffs of black.
#66: Remember and move now to 1800 hours 16 April.
#01: ..... Entering a....inland waterway of some kind, got
a..man constructed plot of land on the right, some
heavy concrete type thing on the left, (mumble) and
in the back ..... Got a feeling it's... different kind
of water.....Big city somewhere near by....It's an
old city.
#66: Break it out.
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#01: ....very old. Trying to identify the city and I
just see narrow walk way type streets with...all
overhead arches and old clay roofs....
#66: Okay. Focusing on the ship now, move to 0600 17
April.
#01: Just water everywhere.. shore to the right, maybe 30
miles.
#66: All right. Now, focusing on 0600 hours on the
17the, water everywhere, move now with the ship to
its destination.
#01: .....See the ...dock..in a harbor inside a bay
inside a bay. It's like a place in a place in a
place. Many white buildings, feeling of heat,
white buildings... beaches on the right,..many
soldiers.
#66: Break this out.
#01: Looking for civilian population, I can't find any.
See soldiers.
#66: Describe.
#01: ...Everybody's a soldier, even the women.
#66: Say again.
#01: Even the women.
#66: Describe the uniform.
#01: ....Tan,..khaki tan,..loose fitting, sleeves rolled
up..... Don't see any markings on it...Small stripes
in the epaulets?
#66: Describe this geographic location.
#01: ...An awful lot of sand...and a..palm
trees...looking for something identifiable and all I
keep seeing is..very white
buildings......coconuts...see like a place on the
wharf to the left that's...piles and piles of..bags,
white bags .......
#66: Describe the docking area and the surrounding area
from overhead.
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#01: It's a...city is almost square. Roads are square,
main road along the beach, mostly beaches to the
right. Docking facility is like a curved
"E"..a..man made jetty..to the left and coming
behind. Some more houses, see smaller patrol
boats...large arms of land going on both sides out
to the sea....Get a feeling it's a sea and not an
ocean.
#66: Break this out.
#01: ....It's a smaller feeling. Color of the water is
different.
#66: Describe.
#01: It's not black or dark green, it's like..a..more of
a brown or muddy color.....Lot of sand, I
just-growing impression of much sand.
#66: Okay. Now previously you had looked at some people
and I'm confused whether the dock area and the city
area are separate or one in the same, and you said
you found only military.
#01: .......Everybody's military...i should say
everybody's militaristic, i don't know about..
formal membership...See few in civilian clothes.
#66: Describe the people to me.
#01: ...Medium height, small builds, small frame, very
lean, dark skin..... Dominant hair color is black or
brown.... That's all I get.
#66: Okay. Describe the activities on board the ship at
this location.
#01: ....It will be unloaded.
#66: Break this out.
#01: Nothing's happening now, but it will be unloaded, I
see a..nose going up and unloading.... just clean it
out (mumble) unload it.
#66: All right, I'd like you to focus now on an
individual of your choice and these activities going
on. Find an individual of your choice, focus down
on him and describe specifically his activity to me.
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#01: It's like a ship's officer on the deck, swinging on
a rail and he's yelling something-to some people
down on the dock, using a lot hand sign
language..... He's kind of supervising the
unloading. Seem to be driving everything
off...Using fork lifts to go in and out....
#66: Examine now, examine the nationality and language of
this ship identities and the nationalities and
language of the city or port identities.
#01: Totally different.
#66: Describe.
#01: ..Just don't understand each other..When I get an
impression of Slavic and the other I get an
impression of ...more lilting than gutteral type
language.
#66: This Slavic belongs to whom?
#01: Gutteral...ship...It's more like Greek, Yugoslavian
on the ship. Lilting language to the people.
#66: I didn't understand.
#01: ..The Slavic language is the ship with a--
#66: --Yes?
#01: --Greek, Yugoslavian. Lilting language is the
people there, the country.
#66: Okay. Now, I have now further questions. Now comes
the opportunity for you to explore beyond the
confines of my questions, to examine the problem
from your unique perspective. I will wait as you do
this.
#01: ...The a..material on this ship is from one
country. The owner of the ships another country.
Two of the ships from two other countries and the
deliveries made to another country. It's all
different....Ah, it's..my impression that-the
a..owner of the cargo is Soviet. Ship's East
German. Crew is Greek, Yugoslavian, mix. And the
a..port-of-call is..Arabic. I'm not sure about the
last. The lilting of the language that causes me to
think that.
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#01: Okay, drawings, Page #1 is of the ship. I wrote
departs 15 April 1983, but I got the information
on the ship over the entire period of time.
#01: Page #2. It's important to know also on page #1
that this is a, this is my concept of the ship,
okay, so I did it in silhouette to show the
approximate location of bridge and everything to
the length of the hull and everything, It may be
a lot longer and lower to the water and whatnot,
but this is kind of like a silhouette of what it
looks like.
#01: Page #2 is the harbor in relationship to the city,
beaches, mountains, hills, bay.
#66: Which harbor is this now?
#01: This is the harbor of destination.
#66: Okay.
#01: This is the destination of the ship. It arrives
some time after 17 April 83, but I don't have an
ultimate, you know it's an unknown date, cause I
wasn't working on that at the time. That's this
ultimate destination where it's totally unloaded.
#66: And in your opinion, how could I identify this
harbor from all other harbors in the world?
#01: Well, page #3 is the interpretation of the harbor
inside the bay, inside the bay. I kept asking
myself, "where is this place?", and I kept getting
all kinds of overlay, Cuba, North Africa, South
Africa and all that kind of stuff. So what's
important is that the design of this harbor and
the way the bay is inside of a larger bay is very
important.
#66: Match the pattern of a bay inside a bay and then a
harbor inside of that.
#01: Right.
#66: There's three layered situation.
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#01: Right. So you may want to go to any these countries I
mentioned and see what kind of harbors they have.
#66: Okay.
#01: And find which is most similar to this. That's essentially
it, other than the fact it was a very military feeling type
place.
#66: Okay.
#01: Okay.
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#66:
All right.
#01:
Just a ..my impression.
That's all I have.?
#66:
All right, fine. Remembering this port-of-call and
the ship you've identified, let's prepare to draw.
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1. NAME OF SUBJECT OR TITLE OF INCIDE1d1 CANE SUBMITTED
AGENT REPORT
CL-1007/8305/01
On 15 April 1983, Source CL--01 was interviewed in an
attempt to locate and identify a ship in a harbor area known
to Source. Source stated substantially as follows:
The ship was pale green with a red cargo line. The ship
may have had a male name, possibly German. The name was
written in white letters on a red background. On the stack
was an emblem which appeared to be a red circle with a white
star in the center (drawing 1). Source described the crew of
the ship as mixed, small heavy set, dark skinned people with
thick black hair. The crew spoke in a gutteral Slavic
language, perhaps Greek or Yugoslavian. On or about 15 April
1983, the ship departed even though it was only partially
loaded On its way to open sea the ship sailed through the
following areas:
Islands with a continental land mass to the south
A very wide channel that narrowed at the entry.
A very rugged coastline of rock and high black
An inland waterway with a elan made plot of land on the
right and heavy concrete on the left with a big city nearby.
Source described this city as old with narrow walkway type
streets, overhead arches, and old clay roofs.
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Source indicated the destination of the ship was a harbor
in an unknown country. Source described the harbor as being
in a bay area within a larger bay (drawings 2 and 3). The
harbor was a military controlled area. The climate
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was hot. The buildings in the area were white. The beaches
were to the right. Source also described the water as being
somehow different, perhaps in its color which was brown or
muddy. Source reported that the ship was unloaded at this
harbor. The cargo was driven off the ship; fork lifts were
used to go in and out of the nose of the ship. The people in
this port area appeared military and wore loose fitting khaki
uniforms with the sleeves rolled up. The uniforms did not
appear to have any markings except for small stripes in the
epaulets. Source described these people as being of medium
height, small frame, very lean, dark skinned, with the
dominant hair color being black or brown. The people spoke
in a lilting language, perhaps Arabic.
At the end of the interview Source volunteered, without
being asked, that the owner of the cargo on the ship was
Soviet; the ship was East German; the crew of the ship was a
Greek/Yugoslavian mix, and the port of call was Arabic.
No further amplifying information concerning the identify
of the ship or its location was obtained from Source during
this interview.
Attached hereto as EXHIBIT I are drawings provided by
Source.
AGENT'S NOTES: Information reported by Source may be
accurate in its chronological sequence but inaccurate in the
specific date/time referenced.
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