CENTER LANE INTERVIEW SUMMARY - CL-1027/8307/01

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• Publication Date: July 14, 1983
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SUBJECT: CENTER LANE Interview Summary - CL-1027/8307/01 (U)
1. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) On 130900 July 1983, source #01 was interviewed
concerning personnel, activities, and equipment in two areas
designated to him as areas "A" and "B" within a group of unidentified
buildings. The project 8307 sponsor had provided geographic
coordinates of the buildings, a photograph of the buildings, and a map
showing their relative location (see Incl 1).
2. (S/CL-3/NOFORN) For this interview source was shown the
photograph provided by sponsor. Other information provided by the
sponsor was not shown to the source as the collection plan called for
its use as "feedback" and cuing material for possible subsequent
interviews.
3. (U) A transcript of the interview was prepared (see Incl 2).
4. (U) A DA Form 341 (Agent Report) was prepared for the sponsor.
This report related the salient points of the interview. (see Incl 3).
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#66: This will be a CENTER LANE Interview for 0900 hours
13 July 1983. Focus your attention now on the areas
"A" and "B" in the photograph I've shown you and
relate your perceptions to me.
#01: (mumble) number of rooms and 4 floors. See filing
cabinets. .... Ah ..mostly..ah military ..civilian
mix. See bars, like cells..on floor.
-Activities ....... see a..people answering
phones, -reading folders... sense of interrogation,
ah questions.
#66: Clarify area of perception.
#01: ...Large office.
#66: Restate area "A" or area "B".
#01: "A".
#66: Continue.
#01: Impression like a..internal police force, ...inside
police not outside police. Ah....check in
area,...originates control.
#66: Tell me about the file cabinets and people looking
at folders, again.
#01: .......Some kind of personnel folder, folders, files
of people, people's names, data.
#66: Um, um. Describe the activity as they look at this
folder. Describe the setting.
#01: .......Large room, many desks,...sense
of..security, ..soft police,..not hard.
#66: Break that out.
#01: Can't a......... ah..... From internal police, not an
external.
#66: Would I be accurate in saying, we're not looking at
a SWAT team police, riot control police, we're
looking at a administrative control police?
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#01: Correct.
#66: All right. Now, describe the individuals that sit
at these desks and do this work.
#01: .....Young, mostly, ... military, civilian
clothes,...predominantly. ...Strong feeling
of....sixty, forty mix a...actual activity verses
training. It's a real job, but a, a ah,
ah....training. Ah, a watchdog type
work,..internal .
#66: Okay. Before we proceed, I would like to clarify a
couple points. You made a statement, you said
military, civilian and then you came out with one
word and said predominantly.
#01: Predominantly military.
#66: All right.
#01: --Civilian clothes.
#66: Military people in civilian clothes? Is that
correct?
#01: Correct.
#66: All right. They have a job to do, but there is
something involving training here?
#01: Um, yes. It's a ....can't define it, it's a strong
sense training.
#66: All right. Now, in this environment of desks, and
personnel and files, describe equipment associated
with this activity.
#01: Just a minute .............See a, only phones, manual
typewriters.
#66: All right, describe telephones.
#01: ..Very thick, heavy..It's base ....ah ...small
handset, black.
#66: Watch somebody use the telephone.
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#01: ..Switchboard operated. .....Ah, appears to be
internal, phone system. .....Sense of
security,..management; ...control .
#66: Watch someone use the telephone.
#01: ............... Impression of discussion reference
a ...visitor .
#66: Describe individual using telephone.
#01: ...44, ah..5'8", brown suit, ....very bland, matter
of fact, ...strong police figure,..attitude .
#66: All right. Complete your scan of area "A" at this
time.
#01: ......Just get a strong, ..a lot of features
of..police station, a...more like campus than the
city. ...Some internal security type police.
. . . ............That' s all I get.
#66: Move to area"B" when you are ready.
#01: .........Got a...impression 5 floors upper two
different from...area bottom 3. ....Top two
ah...see lot secretarial activity,.. women, desks,
typewriters, papers,..very much like secretarial
pool, much activity, typing. ...Lower three
floors,..strong classroom atmosphere,..identical
rooms,..ah ...ah ....write wall ah, wall a..boards,
blackboards. .......Tables, bench type tables,
students,...don't see any equipment, dominant
activity is lecture,..notes.
#66: Okay. Personnel--
#01: ---No, wait, wait.
#66: Go ahead.
#01: ....Saw a strong sense a lectures or a...operation,
theories,...ah...foreign techniques of some kind.
#66: Raw data.
#01: Ah..lot of input, ah..photographic evidentuary
material, presented, concise statements
of-operation techniques, all foreign, all observed,
all ah...systematic presentation.
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#66:
I have a question for clarification.
#01: What?
#66: This concept of foreign, is it foreign to you or is
it foreign to the students who sit in the room?
#01: Foreign to students.
#66: All right.
#01: That's all I get.
#66: All right. I have some questions for
clarification. Personnel equipment activities on
the bottom three floors appear to be, as you
explained, student oriented, classroom oriented. In
terms of the students, describe their clothing and
soforth.
#01: ..........
#66: Characterize the student group.
#01: Yes, just a minute. ...........A sense of suits,
formal attire, civilian suits, but they're
a...they're awkward in these, they're like new,..new
attire to the students, . change in a. .change in a
normal attire. ....Ah...there's a feeling of
a ...unaccustom, ....different, ...feeling of different
than normal.
#66: Okay, understood. Continue to characterize the
student group.
#01: All a....young, ah...striking, striking resemblance
in outlook,...particularly ah.... just a
minute .... ah ..get a feeling like
.. nationalism.. politic nationalism. ah...zeal, good
word, zeal.
#66: This similarity of outlook it's the same for all of
them?
#01: Correct.
#66: All right.
#01: Ah...all handpicked, a....specific backgrounds,
family, acquaintances.
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#66: Okay. I have questions other than the student area,
now.
#01: Okay.
#66: On the upper floors, women sitting at typewriters,
describe typewriters.
#01: ........All a.....manual,.....appear to
be...standard type manual typewriters.
#66: Okay. Describe the room setting again.
#01; ..There's many desks, ...large secretarial
pool,..group of typists.
#66: All right.
#01: --In boxes, out boxes, more like wire cages,
ah....no drawers on desks, just tops, -everything
very similar, one desk to another.
#66: Okay. What is it that's like a wire cage?
#01: Stack of in box, out box type things.
#66: Okay. Now--
#01: ---Very, otherwise very sterile room.
#66: Okay. Look for other equipment besides typewriters
which might be there.
#01: .........Ah...that's all that's there, just
typewriters?
#66: All right. At this time complete your scan of the
area, we know as area "B", and then I have one more
question.
#01: Okay.
#66: All right. This question references both areas, "A"
and "B". I'm interested in the question of newness
or age, in both the terms of function, as well of
physical structure.
#01: ....Both old in both, both areas.
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#66: All right. These, they have been doing this
function for a long period of time and these
buildings are older buildings as opposed to newer
buildings?
#01: Correct, no difference function, no
difference-areas.
#66: All right. Now, I have now further questions, but I
would like to allow you the opportunity to free flow
for a moment. Do this now.
#01: ..................Getting something, I can't
translate, just a minute.
#66: I will wait.
#01: ...........Sense a...overall change in...a..command
or responsibility in this place. Ah..change
in-through the tasking a..requirements, new tasking
a...is cause for...re, a, reorganization, large
portion, very .... ah.... trying to see what drives the
change. ......Change apparently has to do
with.... wait ...... ah...... upper echelon command and
management of....some kind of field controls.
Ah....some significant change in flow or type of
flow of information ..that's targeted . ....That's all
I get, I'm getting--
#66:
Yea, it's important to know what time window you're
examining.
#01:
Past 5 months.
#66:
All right.
#01:
To present .
change.
......Seems to be a push for a rapid
#66:
Okay.
#01:
.....That's all I get.
#66:
All right, fine.
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AGENT REPORT
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CL-1027/8307/01
On 13 July 1983, Source CL-O1 was interviewed concerning
two areas identified to him as "A" and "B" within a group of
unidentified buildings. Source stated substantially as
follows:
Area "A" was a multi-story building, perhaps four floors,
which contained offices for some sort of internal police force
(not further identified). Military personnel in civilian
clothes occupied offices in area "A". Many of these personnel
were young (not further identified). Some of the offices in
area "A" were large rooms with desks, telephones, and file
cabinets. Source described the telephones as being
switchboard operated and as being used for an internal phone
system in conjunction with "security, management; control."
The telephones were black and had very thick, heavy bases and
small handsets. The file cabinets contained personnel folders
or files of people with names and other data (not further
identified). In another section of area "A" (not further
identified) there may have been jail cells or rooms with
bars. Activity in area "A" consisted primarily of internal
security, visitor control, and administrative management.
There was also a training aspect (not further identified) to
the activity in area "A".
Area "B" was a multi-story building, perhaps 5 floors,
which was divided into two sections. The upper two floors
were offices or rooms with many women at desks with what
appeared to be typewriters. Source described the typewriters
as "standard type manual typewriters." Source stated that the
desks had no drawers and appeared very similar "one desk to
another." Source summarized his comments of this section by
stating, "very much like secretarial pool, much activity,
typing." The lower three floors of area "B" were classrooms.
These rooms had bench type tables and blackboards. There was
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not their normal attire.
suits but they felt awkward in this clothing as if this was
resemblance in outlook." This similarity was evident as a
nationalistic zeal. The students were dressed in civilian
family, acquaintances." The students all had a "striking
specially selected, "all handpicked, specific backgrounds,
identified). Source described the students as being young,
theories and foreign techniques of some kind" (not further
cture. here, students received lectures on "operation
no equipment in these rooms and their primary purpose was for
information that's targeted" (not further identified).
controls ... some significant change in flow or type of flow of
echelon command and management of some kind of field
five months, reorganization. The change had to do with "upper
stated that there had been a recent, perhaps within the past
group of unidentified buildings in the immediate area, Source
the buildings were not new either. In reference to the entire
these buildings were not new and that the activities within
. In reference to both area "A" and "B", Source stated that
obtained from Source during this interview.
No further amplifying information concerning SUBJECT was
buildings, due to the nature of his access to a targeted area.
buildings, or the position of a building within a group of
unable to accurately relate the position of rooms within
AGENT'S NOTES: Information provided by Source relevant to
descriptions of rooms or offices may be accurate independent
of their locations within buildings. Source is sometimes
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